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Linaloca7:
You are so right!! Jesus is God and God alone!! Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

Who was Jesus praying to? Matthew 11:25

Why was he crying with tears in prayer? Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44; 23:46

Why does the father's will differ to Jesus' will? Luke 22:42

How come Jesus didn't know something that only the father knows? Matthew 24:36

You may wish to do some gymnastics on the matter but it's clear that there is someone greater than Jesus so Jesus can't be the Almighty! 1Corinthans 15:27-28

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

gone are the days i delve into topics like this but I want to simply ask, is this what God the Father revealed to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Before i say a word let anyone quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word!

there is no mention of the word trinity in the Bible but there are examples of it in the Bible from old testament to new testament

Chibuezem:
there is no mention of the word trinity in the Bible but there are examples of it in the Bible from old testament to new testament

There are examples of everything you can think of in the Bible that's why you're seeing thousands of different sects all claiming believers in the Bible yet they are contradicting themselves in teachings and having conflicting doctrines.
So if the Bible never mention TRINITY but people thought it's OK to interpret it as such then you can't blame Muslims, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Hindus and others claiming their beliefs is rooted in the Bible because they all have one thing or another to point out as having to do with their beliefs in the Bible.
For your information TRINITY is a pagan god in ancient Egypt and according to it's adherents the three gods are coeternal and coequal!

Chibuezem:
gone are the days i delve into topics like this but I want to simply ask, is this what God the Father revealed to you?

No. They are all that God the Father and Jesus Christ revealed in the bible which was inspired by the Holy spirit.

So let me ask you.

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

2. Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God in my post?

Please answer my questions as I have answered your own without dodging anything.

MaxInDHouse:
Who was Jesus praying to? Matthew 11:25

Why was he crying with tears in prayer? Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44; 23:46

Why does the father's will differ to Jesus' will? Luke 22:42

How come Jesus didn't know something that only the father knows? Matthew 24:36

You may wish to do some gymnastics on the matter but it's clear that there is someone greater than Jesus so Jesus can't be the Almighty! 1Corinthans 15:27-28

That guy doesn't have anything to offer. From the way he presented what he said, he sounds like, I don't care about whatever the word of God says.

They have rejected the words of Jesus Christ they think they are defending. Christ will tell those who rejected him and his words to depart from him. He will call them lawbreakers. Matthew 7:21-23.


Please all these people that I tagged, you know most of them, are they no longer on nairaland or are they still looking for what to say?

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Steep:
Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

MaxInDHouse:
Who was Jesus praying to? Matthew 11:25

Why was he crying with tears in prayer? Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44; 23:46

Why does the father's will differ to Jesus' will? Luke 22:42

How come Jesus didn't know something that only the father knows? Matthew 24:36

You may wish to do some gymnastics on the matter but it's clear that there is someone greater than Jesus so Jesus can't be the Almighty! 1Corinthans 15:27-28

If you were to ask this person how his Michael turned to Jesus? He will say "he put on flesh" !

Emphasis on flesh, thus his Michael, the conqueror, was limited by flesh😂. His Michael that threw Satan from Heaven now turned the left cheek on Earth👀, presumably due to flesh —Do you see where I am going with this? Even he agrees that his Michael was limited by flesh, or the physical model and standard yet it didn't affect his status as the chief prince😂😂😂 or the Archangel 😂.

Thus in this write-up is the answer to all his questions 🤣, something he has agreed to in times past about his beloved Michael, the conqueror! 👀

Some people just don't think before positing!

Boomark:
That guy doesn't have anything to offer. From the way he presented what he said, he sounds like, I don't care about whatever the word of God says.
They have rejected the words of Jesus Christ they think they are defending. Christ will tell those who rejected him and his words to depart from him. He will call them lawbreakers. Matthew 7:21-23.
Please all these people that I tagged, you know most of them, are they no longer on nairaland or are they still looking for what to say?

When they don't know what to say about the topic of discussion most of them just ignore the thread as for me i speak for Jehovah's Witnesses that's the only group i know that's practicing what Jesus taught so it's not a matter of crowd support when they are not in agreement regarding teaching and doctrine!

Nah emoji be Bible for this one instead of quoting God's word to back what he's typing!

Gabrielshow24:
If you were to ask this person how his Michael turned to Jesus? He will say "he put on flesh" !

Emphasis on flesh, thus his Michael, the conqueror, was limited by flesh😂. His Michael that threw Satan from Heaven now turned the left cheek on Earth👀, presumably due to flesh —Do you see where I am going with this? Even he agrees that his Michael was limited by flesh, or the physical model and standard yet it didn't affect his status as the chief prince😂😂😂 or the Archangel 😂.

Thus in this write-up is the answer to all his questions 🤣, something he has agreed to in times past about his beloved Michael, the conqueror! 👀

Some people just don't think before positing!

MaxInDHouse:
Call the body overseeing the affairs of your religion anything you which nobody is forcing it on you!

They are only forcing trinity over your head?

MaxInDHouse:
Call the body overseeing the affairs of your religion anything you which nobody is forcing it on you!

They are only forcing trinity over your head?

Banned again!
When you don't know what to say about a topic or apply the scriptures to back your comments the next thing is throwing insults here and there with emojis.
What a pity!

rottennaija:
They are only forcing trinity over your head?

Do you think over people's comments before quoting them?

The OP mentioned my name and i replied telling him what could make me participate in the discussion.
So how does that translate to what you are saying now?

Well if you don't understand idioms what i meant is this is none of my business until someone quote TRINITY in God's word!

Steep:
Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
If the word "TRINITY" is not written in the Bible then there is nothing to debate but aimless arguments!

Bro, you are getting wise, oh. I am shocked to see myself agreeing completely with you. Thumbs up

tctrills:
Bro, you are getting wise, oh. I am shocked to see myself agreeing completely with you. Thumbs up

🤣🤣🤣Wise indeed!

Boomark:
Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

😂😂😂See wisdom! Who is begging you? If you want me to engage in a logical discourse with you. There are basic axioms and terms that must be defined and sorted out before I proceed further. We all know the end result of Arianism—belittling the Godship of the Son! 😂 If you want you take it up with the Father👀.

No man has time for time wasting, if you want to be in delusion—Continue 🤨. When you are ready let me know. If any one sees what you wrote up there, they will think you are knowledgeable not knowing that you are evading queries😂, vividly aware of the fact that you cannot properly define that term without shooting yourself in the leg 🤣🤣.

Gohf, a prominent Arian on this platform 👀 is also in your league—the league of those that can't define the term "God". They are all aware of the implications and logical slippery slope it will do to their arguments.

All you wrote as arguments up there are things I will use to drive home trinity even more! I just picked John and showed how you are in grave err in your interpretation! When even the same John saw the ancient of days and the lamb of God😂😂😂. That's the tip of the iceberg but I won't have a discourse with you without you providing what you understand by the concept called "God". Except you want to tell us that Jesus lied when he said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" 🤨.

You will let us know who inspired you to arrive at such conclusion! Definitely, not the Father😂!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think over people's comments before quoting them?

The OP mentioned my name and i replied telling him what could make me participate in the discussion.
So how does that translate to what you are saying now?

Well if you don't understand idioms what i meant is this is none of my business until someone quote TRINITY in God's word!

Your "Exact word" fallacy fails miserably. I have highlighted this in my previous response. You continue to commit the same fallacy by peddling a doctrine 😂 "Jesus is Michael", when there's no such occurrence in the bible!

Trinity by the way, is the term given by christians to best explain the concept found in the bible! —The Father, the Son and Holy Spirit!

Concepts of these three is littered in the whole scripture hence denying the existence of such a concept on the basis on the "educational term", trinity, not being found within the bible is really😂😂😂 "d.**b"!

It's like saying because "Fibonacci" as a term is not found in the universe that Fibonacci series is false! See the wisdom of Arianism 😂😂😂!

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

So, who is Jesus? God or man or both. You emphasized so much on God the Father being greater than Jesus. You are very correct but it doesn’t stop Jesus from being equal to God in essence and nature.

The fact that you have a boss you report to doesn’t make you less human. Jesus is subject to his Father doesn’t make him a lesser God in nature. The scripture says that the fullness of God dwells in Jesus. Not 99.9%.

So, please is Jesus God or man or both?

Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

I jus tire, he is just arguing with himself

Boomark:
Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

We only want to make sure you knew what you were up against and not just beating empty air. How will people know if what you call trinity is actually the trinity? Nobody knows your argument.

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death. This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

Revelation 3:12 NIrV [12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.
Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...

Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures show that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.


JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have beamed away from the truth.


Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

Your passion for seeking truth in Scripture is clear, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to reflect on this together. The question of who God is and how Jesus relates to Him touches the heart of our faith, and it’s a topic that deserves careful thought and prayer. I hear the conviction in your words, and I want to respond with gentleness, as we’re called to in 1 Peter 3:15, to honor both the truth and the love that binds us as believers.

You’ve shared many verses that emphasize the Father as the one true God and Jesus as His servant, prophet, and priest. These roles of Jesus are beautiful truths in Scripture. He is indeed the Messiah, the one sent by the Father to reconcile us to Him, as you pointed out in passages like John 20:17 and Acts 2:36. His submission to the Father, as seen in John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:28, shows His humility and obedience, which are a model for us all. This reminds us of the deep love and unity between the Father and the Son, as Jesus prays for us to share in that oneness in John 17:22.

At the same time, I’d encourage us to consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further. Scripture also speaks of Jesus in ways that suggest a unique divine role, such as John 1:1, where He is called the Word who was with God and was God. This doesn’t mean we ignore the Father’s supremacy, as you rightly emphasize, but it invites us to wrestle with how Jesus shares in God’s glory while remaining subject to the Father. The early church, through much prayer and struggle, sought to understand this balance, as we see in historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, where believers wrestled with these truths to guard against error.

I don’t say this to argue but to encourage us to keep seeking God’s heart together. The Bible calls us to humility and love in our pursuit of truth, as Philippians 2:2 reminds us to be “like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.” Let’s hold fast to the Father as the one true God, honor Jesus as His chosen Son and servant, and trust the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, as John 16:13 promises.

If you’re struggling with these ideas, I’d suggest praying through them with an open heart, perhaps using some of the powerful prayers found in Scripture to seek clarity and peace. Let’s keep this conversation rooted in love and a shared desire to know God more deeply.

We more likely wouldn't come to an agreement however consider that the relationship within the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing the same essence, or homoousios, the scriptures hint at a hierarchy that deserves a closer look.

Take John 5:19, for instance, where it says, The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.

This verse really highlights how the Son relies on the Father, showing that Jesus is all about fulfilling the Father's will instead of acting on his own.

Then there's 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states, The head of Christ is God, pointing to an eternal order within the Godhead and suggesting that the Son continually submits to the Father's authority.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:28 talks about the Son eventually being subjected to the Father, reinforcing this hierarchical relationship that goes beyond just temporary circumstances.
And in John 14:28, when Jesus says, The Father is greater than I, it emphasizes the different roles even among those who are equal in essence. So, while the Trinity embodies unity in being, there’s definitely a clear order of authority at play. The highest being the One True God that everything including Jesus and the Holy spirit submit to.

Boomark:
No. They are all that God the Father and Jesus Christ revealed in the bible which was inspired by the Holy spirit.

So let me ask you.

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

2. Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God in my post?

Please answer my questions as I have answered your own without dodging anything.

1)I didn't meditate or ask God concerning your post as He taught me through the scriptures concerning Trinity.
2) I believe in the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God.


My question to you is if God were to speak to you or teach you that trinity is true will you accept it?

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=136094566]There are examples of everything you can think of in the Bible that's why you're seeing thousands of different sects all claiming believers in the Bible yet they are contradicting themselves in teachings and having conflicting doctrines.
So if the Bible never mention TRINITY but people thought it's OK to interpret it as such then you can't blame Muslims, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Hindus and others claiming their beliefs is rooted in the Bible because they all have one thing or another to point out as having to do with their beliefs in the Bible.
For your information TRINITY is a pagan god in ancient Egypt and according to it's adherents the three gods are coeternal and coequal! :[quote]:Great observation! However, the existence of counterfeits or copies doesn't negate the authenticity of the original. Just as fake Bobo juice doesn't disprove the existence of the real thing, Mbanu! Let's explore the Trinity concept. In Christianity, the Trinity doctrine describes one God in three distinct, coequal, and coeternal persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Key aspects:

1. Monotheism: Christianity affirms one God, rejecting polytheism.
2. Three persons: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet inseparable.
3. Coequal and coeternal: Each person shares the same divine nature, attributes, and eternity.

Biblical foundations:

1. Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands baptism "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
2. John 1:1-14: Jesus is described as the Word, distinct from yet one with God.

Have a wonderful day my friend.

MaxInDHouse:
There are examples of everything you can think of in the Bible that's why you're seeing thousands of different sects all claiming believers in the Bible yet they are contradicting themselves in teachings and having conflicting doctrines.
So if the Bible never mention TRINITY but people thought it's OK to interpret it as such then you can't blame Muslims, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Hindus and others claiming their beliefs is rooted in the Bible because they all have one thing or another to point out as having to do with their beliefs in the Bible.
For your information TRINITY is a pagan god in ancient Egypt and according to it's adherents the three gods are coeternal and coequal!

Great observation! However, the existence of counterfeits or copies doesn't negate the authenticity of the original. Just as fake Bobo juice doesn't disprove the existence of the real thing, Mbanu! Let's explore the Trinity concept. In Christianity, the Trinity doctrine describes one God in three distinct, coequal, and coeternal persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Key aspects:

1. Monotheism: Christianity affirms one God, rejecting polytheism.
2. Three persons: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet inseparable.
3. Coequal and coeternal: Each person shares the same divine nature, attributes, and eternity.

Biblical foundations:

1. Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands baptism "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
2. John 1:1-14: Jesus is described as the Word, distinct from yet one with God.

Chibuezem:
Great observation! However, the existence of counterfeits or copies doesn't negate the authenticity of the original. Just as fake Bobo juice doesn't disprove the existence of the real thing, Mbanu! Let's explore the Trinity concept. In Christianity, the Trinity doctrine describes one God in three distinct, coequal, and coeternal persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Key aspects:

1. Monotheism: Christianity affirms one God, rejecting polytheism.
2. Three persons: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet inseparable.
3. Coequal and coeternal: Each person shares the same divine nature, attributes, and eternity.

Biblical foundations:

1. Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands baptism "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
2. John 1:1-14: Jesus is described as the Word, distinct from yet one with God.

The highlighted is the pagan tradition i'm talking about, note that God never said there is three persons in one God rather what the scriptures say is:



Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. ‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬


Jesus never claim to be equal with his father:

"Father is greater than I am" John 14:28

Equality means both of them stands in the same position so none is indebted to the other but in this case Jesus relies on his father for survival:

“Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” Luke 23:46

Jesus cried while begging his father to save him:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44

The eternal are persons who can't die but in this case Jesus died only to be raised by his father:

Whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. Act 3:15

The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Act 5:30

For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

With these the old pagan TRINITY tradition is EXPOSED!