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This one doesn't know what to quote as scripture all he does is emojis here and there as if that's the authority in God's word!

Gabrielshow24:
Your "Exact word" fallacy fails miserably. I have highlighted this in my previous response. You continue to commit the same fallacy by peddling a doctrine 😂 "Jesus is Michael", when there's no such occurrence in the bible!

Trinity by the way, is the term given by christians to best explain the concept found in the bible! —The Father, the Son and Holy Spirit!

Concepts of these three is littered in the whole scripture hence denying the existence of such a concept on the basis on the "educational term", trinity, not being found within the bible is really😂😂😂 "d.**b"!

It's like saying because "Fibonacci" as a term is not found in the universe that Fibonacci series is false! See the wisdom of Arianism 😂😂😂!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is the pagan tradition i'm talking about, note that God never said there is three persons in one God rather what the scriptures say is:



Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. ‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NIV‬


Jesus never claim to be equal with his father:

"Father is greater than I am" John 14:28

Equality means both of them stands in the same position so none is indebted to the other but in this case Jesus relies on his father for survival:

“Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” Luke 23:46

Jesus cried while begging his father to save him:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7 compare to Luke 22:44

The eternal are persons who can't die but in this case Jesus died only to be raised by his father:

Whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. Act 3:15

The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Act 5:30

For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

With these the old pagan TRINITY tradition is EXPOSED!

The concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament is subtle yet evident through various passages and hints. While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly mentioned, several scriptures suggest a plurality within the Godhead.

KeyPassages:

- *Genesis 1:26*: God says, "Let us make mankind in our image," indicating a plural Godhead.
- *Genesis 19:24*: The Lord rains brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, suggesting two distinct persons within the Godhead.
- *Isaiah 48:16*: The Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent the speaker, hinting at the Trinity.
- *Psalm 45:6-7*: The throne of God is mentioned, and Hebrews 1:8-9 identifies this as referring to the Son.
- *Numbers 6:24-26*: The threefold repetition of God's name may allude to the Trinity.

*Other Hints:*

- *Plural terminology for God*: The Hebrew word "Elohim" is used, which is a plural form, yet often takes singular verbs, indicating a complex unity.
- *The Angel of the Lord*: This figure is described as God and receives worship, yet is distinct from God, foreshadowing the Trinity.
- *The Spirit of God*: Passages like Micah 3:8 and Isaiah 63:10-11 show the Spirit as a distinct person within the Godhead.
- The trisagion of Isaiah 6:3: The repetition of "holy" three times may reflect the triune nature of God ¹ ² ³.

Interpretation:

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for the doctrine of the Trinity, which is later revealed more fully in the New Testament. Understanding these passages requires careful consideration of the Hebrew language, cultural context, and theological themes .


A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

MaxInDHouse:
Before i say a word let anyone quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word!

Hypocrisy. Quote Bible in God's word Qoute your Mock Paradise or what do you call it from God's word.

Chibuezem:
The concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament is subtle yet evident through various passages and hints. While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly mentioned, several scriptures suggest a plurality within the Godhead.

KeyPassages:

- *Genesis 1:26*: God says, "Let us make mankind in our image," indicating a plural Godhead.
- *Genesis 19:24*: The Lord rains brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, suggesting two distinct persons within the Godhead.
- *Isaiah 48:16*: The Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent the speaker, hinting at the Trinity.
- *Psalm 45:6-7*: The throne of God is mentioned, and Hebrews 1:8-9 identifies this as referring to the Son.
- *Numbers 6:24-26*: The threefold repetition of God's name may allude to the Trinity.

*Other Hints:*

- *Plural terminology for God*: The Hebrew word "Elohim" is used, which is a plural form, yet often takes singular verbs, indicating a complex unity.
- *The Angel of the Lord*: This figure is described as God and receives worship, yet is distinct from God, foreshadowing the Trinity.
- *The Spirit of God*: Passages like Micah 3:8 and Isaiah 63:10-11 show the Spirit as a distinct person within the Godhead.
- The trisagion of Isaiah 6:3: The repetition of "holy" three times may reflect the triune nature of God ¹ ² ³.

Interpretation:

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for the doctrine of the Trinity, which is later revealed more fully in the New Testament. Understanding these passages requires careful consideration of the Hebrew language, cultural context, and theological themes .


A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

Thanks brother. I have read the Bible severally and the arguments of the proponents of the Doctrine of Trinity as well as Jehovah's Witnesses of maximumSide, position and some historical facts about the subject.

I believe in Trinity.
Whatever it means is acceptable to me in it's entirety in all context, content, and intention.

Chibuezem:
A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

I have told you that there are many as in thousands of different pagan traditions that could be linked to the Bible the truth is such pagan traditions are not mentioned.
So to convince me just quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word otherwise it's all the same thing Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Traditionalists and more are doing cherry picking phrases to support their religion in God's word!

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that there are many as in thousands of different pagan traditions that could be linked to the Bible the truth is such pagan traditions are not mentioned.
So to convince me just quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word otherwise it's all the same thing Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Traditionalists and more are doing cherry picking phrases to support their religion in God's word!

you didn't answer my question Sir.

Chibuezem:
you didn't answer my question Sir.

I've answered you!
If you can't find the word "TRINITY" in the Bible whatever you are trying to do is mental gymnastics which Jesus himself and the scriptures has proved wrong.

TRINITY means Coequal Jesus proved he is not equal with his father.
TRINITY means Coeternal and Jesus died so he wasn't eternal God raised him from the dead.

Whatever you cook up after this means nothing but cherry picking phrases just to suit the pagan tradition of TRINITY!

Chibuezem:
1)I didn't meditate or ask God concerning your post as He taught me through the scriptures concerning Trinity.
2) I believe in the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God.


My question to you is if God were to speak to you or teach you that trinity is true will you accept it?

Bro you didn't answer my question 1. I said "the scriptures I posted" NOT "my post."

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

Answer correctly and then ask your own. I will be gathering your answers with love. I love questions and answers. That's my signature cos that's how truth are revealed.


armchairscholar I will reply you later because I have low battery now. Last night when I tried to post, nairaland was telling me to try again later.

MightySparrow:
Thanks brother. I have read the Bible severally and the arguments of the proponents of the Doctrine of Trinity as well as Jehovah's Witnesses of maximumSide, position and some historical facts about the subject.

I believe in Trinity.
Whatever it means is acceptable to me in it's entirety in all context, content, and intention.

Most of people who are against trinity, merely were taught by others. They never researched it spiritually by reaching out to God. I personally did my research and had experienced God's speaking and revelations before coming to a conclusion that Trinity is true. God the Father loved the world that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our Sins on Earth and Give us the Holy spirit to manifest the Truth.

Boomark:
Bro you didn't answer my question 1. I said "the scriptures I posted" NOT "my post."

1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?

Answer correctly and then ask your own. I will be gathering your answers with love. I love questions and answers. That's my signature cos that's how truth are revealed.


armchairscholar I will reply you later because I have low battery now. Last night when I tried to post, nairaland was telling me to try again later.

the scriptures you quoted are correct.
Now answer my question.

Chibuezem:
the scriptures you quoted are correct.
Now answer my question.

I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

Chibuezem:
Most of people who are against trinity, merely were taught by others. They never researched it spiritually by reaching out to God. I personally did my research and had experienced God's speaking and revelations before coming to a conclusion that Trinity is true. God the Father loved the world that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our Sins on Earth and Give us the Holy spirit to manifest the Truth.

You are my mar brother. Around 1994, there was a JWs' publication: Do you Believe in Trinity (paraphrased). I just finished NYSC then. My own sibling, who was a witness gave me to read. Rather than asking him to explain, I turned to prayer about the subject. Then the answer came. God talked to me about it. The most salient point that got me disturbed was , the three agree in one going by the Awake of that month.
The answer I got:
1. If there was agreement, to what end?
2. If they don't agree what will happen?
I was afraid and didn't ask any further questions or bothered myself about it. I just believe.
After that, maybe on personal issues or doctrinal, I turn to God in prayer. I get answers. Sometimes audibly.

maximumSide can contribute to this. I read science related course and I am made to believe that a law of reality is repeatable. Like I contributeed in a maximumSide's topic, this is my personal truth in our community truth.

cc: maximumSide

Ken4Christ:
So, who is Jesus? God or man or both. You emphasized so much on God the Father being greater than Jesus. You are very correct but it doesn’t stop Jesus from being equal to God in essence and nature.

The fact that you have a boss you report to doesn’t make you less human. Jesus is subject to his Father doesn’t make him a lesser God in nature. The scripture says that the fullness of God dwells in Jesus. Not 99.9%.

So, please is Jesus God or man or both?

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. In other words, he belongs to God(The Father). Jesus Christ is a God. He was made flesh as a man. Now he is no longer a man with flesh but a spirit.

See. If you have a world company boss that you report to and he is greater than you. You are subject to him. You obey him and his commands. He is the one that elevated you to a higher position in the world company. My brother, you are not equal to this your boss. You are not less a human, no problem. But if he sacks you, you will carry your humanity and remain jobless in the world. This is how to do your analogy


Colossians 2:9 NLT
[9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.

Fullness of God's nature.

Please which God is this place talking about, that his nature is in Christ?

Steep:
We only want to make sure you knew what you were up against and not just beating empty air. How will people know if what you call trinity is actually the trinity? Nobody knows your argument.

Whatever you call trinity in Christian religion, no matter how you define it is a false doctrine that is against the word of God and Christ. I hope you understand this. That no matter how you paint it, it is still falsehood.

I don't need to argue with anyone because the word of God is already against it.

Boomark:
I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

Caught who? 🤨You haven't refuted anything I said, if Jesus said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" and someone else says "No man has seen God" then from your finite " wisdom" you conclude that Jesus is not God yet in the screenshots you used, "You posit that the words of Jesus are the words of God" 🤨indirectly shoo-ting yourself in the leg!

Boomark:
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. In other words, he belongs to God(The Father). Jesus Christ is a God. He was made flesh as a man. Now he is no longer a man with flesh but a spirit.

See. If you have a world company boss that you report to and he is greater than you. You are subject to him. You obey him and his commands. He is the one that elevated you to a higher position in the world company. My brother, you are not equal to this your boss. You are not less a human, no problem. But if he sacks you, you will carry your humanity and remain jobless in the world. This is how to do your analogy


Colossians 2:9 NLT
[9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.

Fullness of God's nature.

Please which God is this place talking about, that his nature is in Christ?

This is where your finite wisdom ends. The bible is talking about the essence of God. If you and that your boss stood together, what separates you based on nature🤨? Don't you both have two hands, two legs, two eyes, presumably 👀?

By nature Jesus is God, he is one with the Father. By authority, the Father is greater than him! How's that hard to understand 🤨? Your analogy defeats you once again! 😂

Even the bible verse you quoted is contrary to your argument😂. Emphasis on "fullness" peradventure your finite wisdom missed it! 😅

armchairscholar:
Your passion for seeking truth in Scripture is clear, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to reflect on this together. The question of who God is and how Jesus relates to Him touches the heart of our faith, and it’s a topic that deserves careful thought and prayer. I hear the conviction in your words, and I want to respond with gentleness, as we’re called to in 1 Peter 3:15, to honor both the truth and the love that binds us as believers.

You’ve shared many verses that emphasize the Father as the one true God and Jesus as His servant, prophet, and priest. These roles of Jesus are beautiful truths in Scripture. He is indeed the Messiah, the one sent by the Father to reconcile us to Him, as you pointed out in passages like John 20:17 and Acts 2:36. His submission to the Father, as seen in John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:28, shows His humility and obedience, which are a model for us all. This reminds us of the deep love and unity between the Father and the Son, as Jesus prays for us to share in that oneness in John 17:22.

At the same time, I’d encourage us to consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further. Scripture also speaks of Jesus in ways that suggest a unique divine role, such as John 1:1, where He is called the Word who was with God and was God. This doesn’t mean we ignore the Father’s supremacy, as you rightly emphasize, but it invites us to wrestle with how Jesus shares in God’s glory while remaining subject to the Father. The early church, through much prayer and struggle, sought to understand this balance, as we see in historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, where believers wrestled with these truths to guard against error.

I don’t say this to argue but to encourage us to keep seeking God’s heart together. The Bible calls us to humility and love in our pursuit of truth, as Philippians 2:2 reminds us to be “like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.” Let’s hold fast to the Father as the one true God, honor Jesus as His chosen Son and servant, and trust the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, as John 16:13 promises.

If you’re struggling with these ideas, I’d suggest praying through them with an open heart, perhaps using some of the powerful prayers found in Scripture to seek clarity and peace. Let’s keep this conversation rooted in love and a shared desire to know God more deeply.

The share of Jesus in God's glory doesn't make his equal to his God. The eyes of God has glory, his arm, his breath, his feet, his hair and everything about him. His word also has glory. Non these things I mentioned is equal to God himself. The God that made his word to become flesh can also make his eyes to become flesh. They all belongs to God the Father. Christ belongs to God.

John 1:1
The word was God. This doesn't mean the word is God the Father. Verse 18 told us no one has seen God but the word was seen by many. The confusion is in the God used for both of them. Idol and Satan worshippers cannot write them as god but God. Jesus told us that the Father is the only true God.

Jesus cannot tell us that the Father is his God, is greater than him, that he is a servant of God and human beings will come and say no, "God is greater than him but he is equal to God." "He is a servant that is equal to his master." They sound absurd.

I'm not struggling with any idea. See in the screenshot what a catholic charismatic woman to me after she said I should ask God for direction as if what was written in the bible is not enough to direct. When I told her to direct me from the direction she was given, she told me to go and ask my forefathers. Their direction is not from God but their rev fathers and pastors.

Boomark:
The share of Jesus in God's glory doesn't make his equal to his God. The eyes of God has glory, his arm, his breath, his feet, his hair and everything about him. His word also has glory. Non these things I mentioned is equal to God himself. The God that made his word to become flesh can also make his eyes to become flesh. They all belongs to God the Father. Christ belongs to God.

John 1:1
The word was God. This doesn't mean the word is God the Father. Verse 18 told us no one has seen God but the word was seen by many. The confusion is in the God used for both of them. Idol and Satan worshippers cannot write them as god but God. Jesus told us that the Father is the only true God.

Jesus cannot tell us that the Father is his God, is greater than him, that he is a servant of God and human beings will come and say no, "God is greater than him but he is equal to God." "He is a servant that is equal to his master." They sound absurd.

I'm not struggling with any idea. See in the screenshot what a catholic charismatic woman to me after she said I should ask God for direction as if what was written in the bible is not enough to direct. When I told her to direct me from the direction she was given, she told me to go and ask my forefathers. Their direction is not from God but their rev fathers and pastors.

why do you like self-glory? Why must you resort to boasting to sell your point? 🤨 Because you "defeated" someone not well-versed, you think you have arrived.

I don't mince words, all your arguments are self-refuting. I don't want to engage you because it shows the spirit working in you is very contrary!

The basics of your topic: the definition of the concept called "God", you can't provide a meaningful response to. You are saying they are going against Jesus' words, when the same Jesus said "He will preside over judgement"; "He is the first and the last", "he that has seen me has seen God". Why not call Jesus a liar because according to you he is not God? 🤨 You can't!

Your thesis on a fundamental level is flawed, it doesn't answer pertinent questions hence the major reason why you evade discussions and queries because you know you are on a faulty foundation. You also forgot Hebrews 1:8👀even if I grant you ignorance let's take this to pure logic! God precedes time, thus he is the same forever. Jesus must have been with him, he himself confirmed this, from the very beginning! Thus all the "qualities" of God such as "word, wisdom etc" have been with him from the very beginning! This same qualities are also occasioned as the manifestation of the spirit!

Thus the Father, the Son and the Spirit hath been from the very beginning! Hence Jesus can't be a created being! Which eliminates Arianism! I don't know your faction because Arian had children: from those who believed Jesus was an Angel, to those who believed he was just a mere prophet, to those who believed he was "just a son of God" etc. Irrespective of your faction, the only way you can circumvent this rebuttal is if your own God is not transcendent🤨! This also leads you to another dilemma!

You also failed to understand that Jesus took up flesh, his names according to Isaiah are Emmanuel 👀, everlasting Father and mighty God! He was limited by physical laws🤨, shall we now say because Jesus was subject to Gravity that he doesn't have the fullness of God within him 🤨—as you are vehemently insinuating! Because Jesus ate, does it now diminish his essence, or perhaps he prayed👀 he doesn't have the fullness of God😅 and thus possibly can't be God? Is prayer not the way ordained for men to seek the face of God? Remind me again, the definition of fullness, perhaps i missed the memo on your definition of Fullness!

Gabrielshow24:
This is where your finite wisdom ends. The bible is talking about the essence of God. If you and that your boss stood together, what separates you based on nature🤨? Don't you both have two hands, two legs, two eyes, presumably 👀?

By nature Jesus is God, he is one with the Father. By authority, the Father is greater than him! How's that hard to understand 🤨? Your analogy defeats you once again! 😂

Even the bible verse you quoted is contrary to your argument😂. Emphasis on "fullness" peradventure your finite wisdom missed it! 😅

If you know me, you shouldn't be rejoicing. Allow him to answer my question first before I slay to pieces your joy and only hope.

I am Boomark of God

Gabrielshow24

See for yourself. They were removed.

Explore2xmore:
We more likely wouldn't come to an agreement however consider that the relationship within the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing the same essence, or homoousios, the scriptures hint at a hierarchy that deserves a closer look.

Take John 5:19, for instance, where it says, The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.

This verse really highlights how the Son relies on the Father, showing that Jesus is all about fulfilling the Father's will instead of acting on his own.

Then there's 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states, The head of Christ is God, pointing to an eternal order within the Godhead and suggesting that the Son continually submits to the Father's authority.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:28 talks about the Son eventually being subjected to the Father, reinforcing this hierarchical relationship that goes beyond just temporary circumstances.
And in John 14:28, when Jesus says, The Father is greater than I, it emphasizes the different roles even among those who are equal in essence. So, while the Trinity embodies unity in being, there’s definitely a clear order of authority at play. The highest being the One True God that everything including Jesus and the Holy spirit submit to.

Trinity Is not found anywhere in the bible. It was man-made or made by antichrist because it stands against the words of Christ. It was never inspired by the Holy spirit.

You forgot to add that Jesus has a God he worships and serve, Revelation 3:12.

They have failed with their equality antichrist doctrine. Tricks by satan to insult the only true God. They think they are doing Jesus a favour by making him equal to his God. He will tell them, "I don't know you, I am looking for only those who are doing the will of my Father in heaven, Matthew 7:21-23.

The will of God are the the things God commanded Christ to tell us and that is what trinitarians are twisting and fighting against with a strange word - Trinity.

I am waiting for two people to answer my questions. I will exercise patience to know if they have fled.

Boomark:
Gabrielshow24

See for yourself. They were removed.

what is my business that I should stoop so low as to report you? Why do you resort to lies?🤨 Why should I report you? What's special in your write-up? The bot banned you because you must have used certain keywords in your response or you were just tad unlucky 😅!

You said you caught my lie, you circled that. Is your entire theme not about refuting the trinity? What then is trinity about? If not that Jesus is God 🤨. Thus, this has been your standpoint. We asked you to define your understanding of certain terms before we proceed further but you failed to do so. Now it's evident that you are misinformed!

Do you want to deny that you claimed Jesus is not God? You even wrote that "Jesus is a God because there are others in heaven that are gods"🤨

I just want to show all, the spirit that works in you!

Boomark:
Trinity Is not found anywhere in the bible. It was man-made or made by antichrist because it stands against the words of Christ. It was never inspired by the Holy spirit.

You forgot to add that Jesus has a God he worships and serve, Revelation 3:12.

They have failed with their equality antichrist doctrine. Tricks by satan to insult the only true God. They think they are doing Jesus a favour by making him equal to his God. He will tell them, "I don't know you, I am looking for only those who are doing the will of my Father in heaven, Matthew 7:21-23.

The will of God are the the things God commanded Christ to tell us and that is what trinitarians are twisting and fighting against with a strange word - Trinity.

Paul rebukes you! Philippians 2:6🧐

It's very evident, you don't know what you are saying!

Boomark:
I am waiting for two people to answer my questions. I will exercise patience to know if they have fled.

I am a busy person, in my spare time I peruse on Nairaland. Also, your response is not a tangible rebuttal, it doesn't address all the counter points I raised against your "thesis". You are just making an assertion without backing it up with substance. All your points i have refuted showing the world that they are self-refuting!

You won't respond to the counter points, you continue to delude yourself by saying we are lieing while yet everything we use as a basis is from scripture! You are the one that has formed a conclusion, a conclusion impervious to reason, scripture and logic!

Boomark:
I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

the scriptures you quoted are correct however your interpretation in regards to trinity Is different from what God revealed to me. Now kindly answer my question, I'm so curious to hear your answer.

MaxInDHouse:
I've answered you!
If you can't find the word "TRINITY" in the Bible whatever you are trying to do is mental gymnastics which Jesus himself and the scriptures has proved wrong.

TRINITY means Coequal Jesus proved he is not equal with his father.
TRINITY means Coeternal and Jesus died so he wasn't eternal God raised him from the dead.

Whatever you cook up after this means nothing but cherry picking phrases just to suit the pagan tradition of TRINITY!

okay bro have a wonderful day lol

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that there are many as in thousands of different pagan traditions that could be linked to the Bible the truth is such pagan traditions are not mentioned.
So to convince me just quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word otherwise it's all the same thing Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Traditionalists and more are doing cherry picking phrases to support their religion in God's word!

yh as usual you won't accept Revelation even from God himself. It's all good, if it's his will for you to know, you will sabi.