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Kukutente23:
The big question is if the late Awujale carried out the coronation rites
If he did and then rejected the same rites at his demise, then he betrayed the stool and its requirements that he signed up for

He is a dead man already. A dead man don't have any power on the living. So how did he betray the tradition. This logic doesn't actually add up unless you choose to be hypocritical. Are you saying the Pagan Kings that Christianity won their hearts have to fulfill their pagan rites when they die as a justification so as not to be labeled as a betrayer?

illicit:
Arabic burial rite is foreign....


Two nations colonized Nigeria

The late king made the right decision to be buried in Islamic way, may God have mercy on his soul and grand him paradise.

beardedboy:
Pope is a religious title. A king is not a religious title.

The only people aggravating towards their colonisers are Christians. Muslims were never colonised by Arabs. Stop it with that baseless propaganda.

Islam has been in Yoruba land for decades or even centuries before the missionaries came and we were all living peacefully. Please stop it with the projection.

Really?
Maybe you missed a bit of history classes
What was the Fulani wars about?

Softmirror:
There is no justification for killing any innocent person.

illicit

adamkkk

247man

DeepSight

Can you point out the problem with the rites?
Secondly no one says rites cannot evolve.

What you people don't understand is that king is a traditional post not an occult post. Yoruba might be an idol worshipers full time in the past but not now. To be a Yoruba king, the prerequisite is not that you must be an idol worshiper. Idol worshippers claiming yoruba kings stool is idol stool are mistaken. King will be buried base on his religion, if he’s idol worshiper he can be bury in their way, if he’s a Muslim or Christian he should be bury according to his religion rite. Customizing yoruba king as idol king cannot work in this era, Yoruba are mainly Christian and Muslim, why will the minority idol worshippers be dictating how king will be bury.

ravensckar:
This Yahoo King never fails to disappoint!

I know he wouldn't miss the opportunity to turn Awujale's death into an avenue to praise himself.

Kings are the custodians of tradition! Any king who doesn't want to participate in traditional rite should refuse the throne. You can't call yourself a good Christian or Muslim and still preside over our traditional institutions. When will these eggheads understand this?

If you're good Muslim, go and vie for the post of an Imam.

#Period

DeepSight:
Can you point out the problem with the rites?
Secondly no one says rites cannot evolve.

No one said rites cannot evolve? So what is the point of your argument? On which principle should it evolve and why?

richiemcgold:
Last night I had a conversation with a prominent ijebu chief over this same matter. He was visibly annoyed and was calling the late monarch all sort of names.

Lol! Tell him to visit the grave at Night and bear the consequences after it

Softmirror:
He is a dead man already. A dead man don't have any power on the living. So how did he betray the tradition. This logic doesn't actually add up unless you choose to be hypocritical. Are you saying the Pagan Kings that Christianity won their hearts have to fulfill their pagan rites when they die as a justification so as not to be labeled as a betrayer?

1. The story says that he requested to be buried islamically at his demise
2. Pagan kings that became Christians either have to leave the throne if they know there are certain aspects of the throne that conflicts with their religion or they change the throne in its entirety to fit their new faith. You can't mix both together. That's where the problem arises. The Emirs in the north today are Islamic rulers and not the traditional ones that used to exist. That's why I said if he carried out the coronation rite of eating his predecessor's body parts, he does not have the moral ground to reject same being done to him.

Ipobfraud:
What you people don't understand is that king is a traditional post not an occult post. Yoruba might be an idol worshipers full time in the past but not now. To be a Yoruba king, the prerequisite is not that you must be an idol worshiper. Idol worshippers claiming yoruba kings stool is idol stool are mistaken. King will be buried base on his religion, if he’s idol worshiper he can be bury in their way, if he’s a Muslim or Christian he should be bury according to his religion rite. Customizing yoruba king as idol king cannot work in this era, Yoruba are mainly Christian and Muslim, why will the minority idol worshippers be dictating how king will be bury.

are you not tradionalist

illicit:
What is evil in a burial rite

Do you know how popes are buried?

Do you know how a new one is installed?


We always demonise our own and aggravate towards our colonisers

Both foreign religions supported and ordained slavery same way ours too


What makes theirs superior

Guess what, they are whites or yellows

Are you part of the secret society? Let's call a spade.
We all can't continue supporting barbarism in any form. Talking about pope burial rite? Spill it out and let the world refine it

koxyz:
We must respect our culture and traditions because that's what make us unique .

You can write down your body should be mutilated after your Death, no problem.

Kukutente23:
1. The story says that he requested to be buried islamically at his demise
2. Pagan kings that became Christians either have to leave the throne if they know there are certain aspects of the throne that conflicts with their religion or they change the throne in its entirety to fit their new faith. You can't mix both together. That's where the problem arises. The Emirs in the north today are Islamic rulers and not the traditional ones that used to exist. That's why I said if he carried out the coronation rite of eating his predecessor's body parts, he does not have the moral ground to reject same being done to him.

The spread of Christianity during the Byzantine empire didn't EJECT their Kings from their throws. Infact the incorporated pagan rites into Christianity. Take a look at how the dead is buried in the Bible and how a Pope is buried for example.

Culture is always evolving. Make dem no vex

Softmirror:
No one said rites cannot evolve? So what is the point of your argument? On which principle should it evolve and why?

That is left for the secret cult responsible.
Any problems with that?

pastie:
Are you part of the secret society? Let's call a spade.
We all can't continue supporting barbarism in any form. Talking about pope burial rite? Spill it out and let the world refine it

What is barbaric about the rites

No originality again, everything in the west has been bastardized.

The English people still bury their kings or queens the way they have done thousands of years ago, but in Yoruba land, they have turned their kingship and traditions to hiphip foreign religion koko tales.

Nothing original about their culture again.

What a sad story.

Softmirror:
The spread of Christianity during the Byzantine empire didn't EJECT their Kings from their throws. Infact the incorporated pagan rites into Christianity. Take a look at how the dead is buried in the Bible and how a Pope is buried for example.

What pagan rites are those
Can you give examples
There's no need to tell lies about Christianity just because you want to defend the right of your Muslims to be Kings and retain their religion
There are Christians that are Kings as well in Yorubaland and my stand still remains the same with them. If they had no problems carrying out all aspects of the ritual when taking the throne, they should have no problem fulflling same demise at their death. The Kano traditional stool once used to have a tradition where the king is not allowed a natural death. The ascension of Islamic Emirate changed that. Imagine a situation where an Islamic Emir will be strangulated to death just to fulfill the traditional requirement of Kano!

DeepSight:
That is left for the secret cult responsible.
Any problems with that?

I don't have any problem as long as the premise to my argument stands. There is not justification for killing any innocent life in the name of rites.

Softmirror:
Someone was beaten to death a few weeks ago, another just three days ago by Masquerade. That is why our culture and tradition must be respected for it's uniqueness.

How about Boko-Haram killings in the name ALLAH and the Pastors that are ripping off their Member in the name of JESUS?

Softmirror:
I don't have any problem as long as the premise to my argument stands. There is not justification for killing any innocent life in the name of rites.

I agree.

Softmirror:
Someone was beaten to death a few weeks ago, another just three days ago by Masquerade. That is why our culture and tradition must be respected for it's uniqueness.

I will not agree with you on this, Pastors and Alfa kills almost every week. Not all traditionalist kill.

Kukutente23:
What pagan rites are those
Can you give examples
There's no need to tell lies about Christianity just because you want to defend the right of your Muslims to be Kings and retain their religion
There are Christians that are Kings as well in Yorubaland and my stand still remains the same with them. If they had no problems carrying out all aspects of the ritual when taking the throne, they should have no problem fulflling same demise at their death. The Kano traditional stool once used to have a tradition where the king is not allowed a natural death. The ascension of Islamic Emirate changed that. Imagine a situation where an Islamic Emir will be strangulated to death just to fulfill the traditional requirement of Kano!

If the ascension of the Islam changed such a tradition in Kano did it also throw out a once Pagan Kings that became a Muslim from their throne?

My example with the Pope is one of Catholics. The recent burial rites of the Pope that died got lots of criticism from Non-Catholics who of course it is public knowledge that Protestants have always regarded Catholics as being infiltrated with Paganism. There are so many books written by Christian Scholars to this effect.

This is despicable. Going forward, anybody not ready to abide by our culture in full in live or death should not be made king. They should be made to sign a consent document in that regard. If a prince so much cherish his Christianity or Islam he can opt to be a General Overseer or Chief Imam but not a traditional king. WE MUST PROTECT OUR CULTURE.

Oba Akanbi’s words are reckless and divide rather than unite.

DeepSight:
What is barbaric about the rites

stating that he was not subjected to mutilation or cannibalisation “as done by butchers.”
Did you miss this part?

pastie:
[B] stating that he was not subjected to mutilation or cannibalisation “as done by butchers.” [B]
Did you miss this part?

What is wrong with that practice.
Do you know the process of mummification for example involves the removal of organs.

What about people who sign off their organs for medical research or donation upon their death?

What do u mean by "restore sanctity"
Correct me if I am wrong, the traditional way of burying Kings is as old as the throne itself and the culture of the people.
So doing a new, strange and diverse thing actually diverting from the customs of the land and following a different path not restoring sanctity.

NB: I am not in support or against what was done. Just clarifying the writeup here

fmlala:
How about Boko-Haram killings in the name ALLAH and the Pastors that are ripping off their Member in the name of JESUS?

Let me paint a scenario with the End Sars for example. During the End Sars which started as a peaceful protest but ended up becoming violent in which Policemen and stations were being attacked. Does it justify a retaliation by the Police to use their guns and bullets in defense. Shoot to kill?!

Max24:
Going forward, anybody not ready to abide by our culture in full in live or death should not be made king. If a prince so much cherish his Christianity or Islam he can opt to be a General Overseer or Chief Imam but not a traditional king. WE MUST PROTECT OUR CULTURE.

100% Agreed!

Softmirror:
If the ascension of the Islam changed such a tradition in Kano did it also throw out a once Pagan Kings that became a Muslim from their throne?

My example with the Pope is one of Catholics. The recent burial rites of the Pope that died got lots of criticism from Non-Catholics who of course it is public knowledge that Protestants have always regarded Catholics as being infiltrated with Paganism. There are so many books written by Christian Scholars to this effect.

It actually did. Go and read about Yunfa in Kano. That's why it was a jihad
You have changed mouth now. I asked you for specific aspects of Christianity that you claimed were influenced by paganism and now you bring another claim that Protestants regard Catholics as pagan in colouration. If I ask you for evidence of such, I'm sure you'll fly off on another tangent. Did the Pope requested to be buried in rites that are alien to Catholic methods before he died? You are simply confusing yourself