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Chibuezem:
1.He is the Spirit of God
2.He is God

And who is Jesus? His he lesser than the Holy Spirit?

Boomark:
Please you people should stop all these l'ies.
I don't know if the antichrist and the father of l'iars have bewitched you people. That's the reason you all believe l'ies.

See your first question in the 1 screenshot and I answered you in the 2nd screenshot.

So now answer my question which I marked in the 2nd picture which is:

1. Which God is this place talking about that his nature is in Christ's body?

Stop making references to screenshots. Answer it in plain language.

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. His he God?

Ken4Christ:
Stop making references to screenshots. Answer it in plain language.

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. His he God?

Stop wasting your time; that person is unlikely to respond. Avoiding questions seems to be his modus operandi! I wanted to ask him, in addition to what you inquired, is there anything the Spirit of God cannot do? Perhaps the Spirit of God is not truly 'almighty' 😂. However, since his nature tends to evade reason 🤧, it may be futile to pursue this further!

So Is Jesus God alone
Or 3 in 1 now
You people are confusion is oo.
Kobojunkies
Antiislam
OLADEGBUS
TENQ

Ken4Christ:
And who is Jesus? His he lesser than the Holy Spirit?

no he's not He is God

Expanse2020:
So Is Jesus God alone
Or 3 in 1 now
You people are confusion is oo.
Kobojunkies
Antiislam
OLADEGBUS
TENQ

Trinity is God in 3 persons if you need clarifications then watch this it will only take 5 mins of your time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts

Ken4Christ:
And who is Jesus? His he lesser than the Holy Spirit?

Here's a detailed explanation of trinity that won't take your time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts

Boomark:
See your own in the picture below. It has been removed severely. Read the things you see in the picture carefully and explain.

You quoted Matthew 8:29, Mark 1:24 against what I wrote without revealing the content. This is where demons recognized Jesus as the son of God and the Holy one of God. After this you started talking off point and didn't connect your scripture to anything. People will be wondering if you are ok. They are proof that you might have a problem. You are not fit to teach anyone the scripture.

For now just focus on the 1st screenshot and reply.

I made it bold so you will see what you need to do

greetings here's a video on trinity explained in 5 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts


Enjoy

Gabrielshow24:
This sentiments are encouraging him in his error. No one disputes whether scriptures are correct or not. Someone with poor com-prr-heen-sion as him will think you are incentivizing his arguments😂.

If not how would a supposed English major compare "boomark is christian" to "boomark is a Christian church" inorder to prove that his statement, "Jesus is God but not God almighty " 😂 is not the same as "Jesus is not God"!—Perhaps he is counting characters😂.

The full clause doesn't make any sense: "boomark is a Christian but not a Christian church". 😂😂😂 Someone should employ an English tutor for this guy, someone that will teach him adjectives, clauses etc😂—The full curriculum.

Even children can clearly see that his example is greatly flawed. "Christian" is not the object of the second claus as found in the first clause👀—It's an adjective that amounts to tautology as the implicit place of worship for christians is the church🤦🏾‍♂️ but can be accepted based on its descriptive nature and emphasis. A better example would have been, "boomark is a Christian" and "boomark is not a true christian" with the addition of the infamous coordinating conjunction, "but"!😂

Ignorance is indeed bliss 😀! With this performance of his, he should be competing with Max and Janosky. My God, he is as wise as they come. If common English perturbs him, how then the scriptures 🤦🏾‍♂️ where deep understanding is required 🤧?

On a different note, I am also curious what God revealed to you as regards "trinity" before some nairaland English Major detracts us👀!

Here's a video to explain trinity as for what God revealed to me about trinity God the father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit are of the same essence but different personalities who relate with me God the Father created me, God the Son brought forth salvation by dieing for my sins and God the Holy spirit comforts and teaches me to remain in the path of righteousness.The problem with bookman and the some of those who claim to be christains is that they end in accepting doctrines and systems without personal and genuine research. I am open to corrections from God through the holyspirit, He's the teacher of righteousness.
This is the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts

Expanse2020:
So Is Jesus God alone
Or 3 in 1 now
You people are confusion is oo.
Kobojunkies
Antiislam
OLADEGBUS
TENQ

Your question shows complete IGNORANCE of what you think you mean: it's like claiming the CONFUSION of Scientists about their claim of the fact that i=✓(-1) when you don't even know a hoot about complex numbers!


Let me ask you a question because
As Christians, we believe that a human being is created as a Trinity of his Body, Soul and Spirit.
If you do not understand the Trinity or Duality of Man, how can you understand the Trinity of God?


If indeed it is true according to your prophet that Moses (as an example of prophets) is in his grave doing salat: how was it that your prophet discussed with him when he travelled to paradise on the Al-Burak?

gohf:
a bit late to the thread but I would like to say welcome to another who actually believes and knows the truth that there is only one true God and his son Jesus Christ our Lord sent by God our Father to bring grace and truth to us, and this good news will not be stopped by any nicolatian doctrine or false foundationally faith teaching that call the truth heresy but the truth will prevail.

I would to see the responses that followed the post, and hope you weren't surprised by those who claim to openly believe Jesus but reject his words in favor of their church doctrines and dogmas

My brother. The way they l_ie and dodge questions shows they are doing the work of the antichrist.

TenQ:
Your question shows complete IGNORANCE of what you think you mean: it's like claiming the CONFUSION of Scientists about their claim of the fact that i=✓(-1) when you don't even know a hoot about complex numbers!


Let me ask you a question because
As Christians, we believe that a human being is created as a Trinity of his Body, Soul and Spirit.
If you do not understand the Trinity or Duality of Man, how can you understand the Trinity of God?


If indeed it is true according to your prophet that Moses (as an example of prophets) is in his grave doing salat: how was it that your prophet discussed with him when he travelled to paradise on the Al-Burak?

The way you run to the defined abstracts of mathematical principles shows you cannot explain your belief in clear terms. Lie that you will not introduced the imaginary unit, i, to provide solutions to equations that have no real number solutions,

Do you disagree that the Trinity is made up of three distinct persons who are unified, co-equal, and co-eternal? This is quite different from how human beings are made up of parts that, while essential, don’t have their own separate personalities or roles so that human analogy fails flat.

Gabrielshow24:
Nice dichotomy 🤨. It still doesn't change the fact that you have failed to even establish a base definition for the term called "God" 😂. You should focus on that!

your monotony sophistry in accusing me without prove is evident here, where did I engage you or tell you I will define God for you that you jump to judge others a failure?

Gabrielshow24:
😂Did you even read the discourse before you fetched a post with the phrase "This is false accusation"? If you did, kindly provide an answer. Did I accuse him falsely?

Even the blind can see that boomark asserts I lied even with convincing evidence against his stance 🤨, I am not moved by this. You aim to deceive people but you have failed!

you haven't once ever proved who I deceived yet you continuously show that you enjoy accusing others without evidence, you asked for where you false accused someone of course I brought it out, not surprised that you deny it. If you ever admitted that you ever falsely accused someone then you would be honest wouldn't you.

If you don't want to move don't, I could care less honestly

Gabrielshow24:
I hope by now, after months of research work, you should have come up with the right proper model that God didn't just attain wisdom at the beginning 😂as you wanted us to believe 🤦🏾‍♂️.

I hope this version of gohf is better than that previous version that didn't even understand the concept of transcendency🤨!

again when and where did we ever have this conversation please kindly show us, all this proves what I wrote about you accusing others wrongly, do you enjoy it?

Boomark:
My brother. The way they l_ie and dodge questions shows they are doing the work of the antichrist.

it doesn't surprise me anymore, they are like Muslims in that regard

Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

boomark see this one quoting steep, steep at least you can see this one referring to God as a "concept" and not a person. Boomark when you asked him to define God, did show24 give a performance or he went dancing around accusing you of not answering things he imagined and filmed in his own mind?

armchairscholar:
Your passion for seeking truth in Scripture is clear, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to reflect on this together. The question of who God is and how Jesus relates to Him touches the heart of our faith, and it’s a topic that deserves careful thought and prayer. I hear the conviction in your words, and I want to respond with gentleness, as we’re called to in 1 Peter 3:15, to honor both the truth and the love that binds us as believers.

You’ve shared many verses that emphasize the Father as the one true God and Jesus as His servant, prophet, and priest. These roles of Jesus are beautiful truths in Scripture. He is indeed the Messiah, the one sent by the Father to reconcile us to Him, as you pointed out in passages like John 20:17 and Acts 2:36. His submission to the Father, as seen in John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:28, shows His humility and obedience, which are a model for us all. This reminds us of the deep love and unity between the Father and the Son, as Jesus prays for us to share in that oneness in John 17:22.

At the same time, I’d encourage us to consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further. Scripture also speaks of Jesus in ways that suggest a unique divine role, such as John 1:1, where He is called the Word who was with God and was God. This doesn’t mean we ignore the Father’s supremacy, as you rightly emphasize, but it invites us to wrestle with how Jesus shares in God’s glory while remaining subject to the Father. The early church, through much prayer and struggle, sought to understand this balance, as we see in historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, where believers wrestled with these truths to guard against error.

I don’t say this to argue but to encourage us to keep seeking God’s heart together. The Bible calls us to humility and love in our pursuit of truth, as Philippians 2:2 reminds us to be “like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.” Let’s hold fast to the Father as the one true God, honor Jesus as His chosen Son and servant, and trust the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, as John 16:13 promises.

If you’re struggling with these ideas, I’d suggest praying through them with an open heart, perhaps using some of the powerful prayers found in Scripture to seek clarity and peace. Let’s keep this conversation rooted in love and a shared desire to know God more deeply.

When you say scripture speaks in a suggestive way, you mean there was no clarification or clarity but based on some persons interpretation. Should the gospels speak in mystery when it is a revelation, I don't believe so. When there is contradiction it's either the speaker is lying or a person understands it wrongly. Contradictions like there is only one God, Jesus saying and teaching that only the Father is God, become contradictory when an author of confusion comes into play like he did with Psalm 91.

So do we need to "consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further." Instead of the considering the REVELATION of God's nature especially when the so called mystery contradicts God's revelation of Himself?

When you speak of historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, have you done a deep dive into what historically happened to a young accepted the shallow surface record of it. Do you know what they did to those who believed that only God is God, there's a spirit behind that action and it was not of God.

In the spirit of love, we are still expected NOT to love the world or things of the world, NOT to love money, Mammon nor human lies and wickedness. We cannot in the spirit of love accept errors for the truth is to be spoken in love and if we indeed love you why should we lie to you

Explore2xmore:
We more likely wouldn't come to an agreement however consider that the relationship within the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing the same essence, or homoousios, the scriptures hint at a hierarchy that deserves a closer look.

Take John 5:19, for instance, where it says, The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.

This verse really highlights how the Son relies on the Father, showing that Jesus is all about fulfilling the Father's will instead of acting on his own.

Then there's 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states, The head of Christ is God, pointing to an eternal order within the Godhead and suggesting that the Son continually submits to the Father's authority.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:28 talks about the Son eventually being subjected to the Father, reinforcing this hierarchical relationship that goes beyond just temporary circumstances.
And in John 14:28, when Jesus says, The Father is greater than I, it emphasizes the different roles even among those who are equal in essence. So, while the Trinity embodies unity in being, there’s definitely a clear order of authority at play. The highest being the One True God that everything including Jesus and the Holy spirit submit to.

💯 wonderfully put but what then do we say to those who change unity to mean equality?

An equality that negates the Father calling him his son and the son eternally being submissive to God, a submission he leads God's children into

Chibuezem:
1)I didn't meditate or ask God concerning your post as He taught me through the scriptures concerning Trinity.
2) I believe in the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God.


My question to you is if God were to speak to you or teach you that trinity is true will you accept it?

did God teach you that he is Jesus Christ of Nazareth or that there is another God?

Chibuezem:
what you posted

now are you a distinct person inseparable from God?
If no, then something separates you from the love of God?

If yes, then are you a child of God right?
Does a child of God lack his divine nature, attributes, and eternity?

If no, and as a child of God you have his nature and eternity, DOES THAT MAKE YOU GOD? YES OR NO

Chibuezem:
The concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament is subtle yet evident through various passages and hints. While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly mentioned, several scriptures suggest a plurality within the Godhead.

KeyPassages:

- *Genesis 1:26*: God says, "Let us make mankind in our image," indicating a plural Godhead.
- *Genesis 19:24*: The Lord rains brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, suggesting two distinct persons within the Godhead.
- *Isaiah 48:16*: The Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent the speaker, hinting at the Trinity.
- *Psalm 45:6-7*: The throne of God is mentioned, and Hebrews 1:8-9 identifies this as referring to the Son.
- *Numbers 6:24-26*: The threefold repetition of God's name may allude to the Trinity.

*Other Hints:*

- *Plural terminology for God*: The Hebrew word "Elohim" is used, which is a plural form, yet often takes singular verbs, indicating a complex unity.
- *The Angel of the Lord*: This figure is described as God and receives worship, yet is distinct from God, foreshadowing the Trinity.
- *The Spirit of God*: Passages like Micah 3:8 and Isaiah 63:10-11 show the Spirit as a distinct person within the Godhead.
- The trisagion of Isaiah 6:3: The repetition of "holy" three times may reflect the triune nature of God ¹ ² ³.

Interpretation:

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for the doctrine of the Trinity, which is later revealed more fully in the New Testament. Understanding these passages requires careful consideration of the Hebrew language, cultural context, and theological themes .


A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

suggestion are open to personally interpretation like Peter wrote, 2Pet.1.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

If it's not by the Holy Spirit which revealed to Peter that Jesus is the son, not that he is God or another God, but the son of the living God.

In the Genesis 18& 19, you read and YHVH left yet Abraham was before YHVH, because the three angels represented his presence. Jacob saw the face of God, well he saw meet and wrestled with an angel. There are other numerous examples. It's like talking THROUGH your phone to someone, you are not speaking to the phone even though we can speak to our phones, make records and all that.


You are using hints that generations of Hebrew prophets before and after the coming of Jesus Christ interpreted as ONLY ONE GOD AND NONE OTHER, even David didn't call the Messiah YHVH but Adoni, the same term Sarah uses for her husband.

There's more to share but if this much you don't understand nor accept then none will be added to you even that which you have may be taken away.

God is God, he is who he is, let's not join those who which to destroy his personality by creating false personalities for him. 🙏🏾

MightySparrow:
Thanks brother. I have read the Bible severally and the arguments of the proponents of the Doctrine of Trinity as well as Jehovah's Witnesses of maximumSide, position and some historical facts about the subject.

I believe in Trinity.
Whatever it means is acceptable to me in it's entirety in all context, content, and intention.

you believe in a doctrine filled with so much confusion and variations and many don't even agree with their own definition of the term. You have built your faith not upon the rock but upon sand

Chibuezem:
Most of people who are against trinity, merely were taught by others. They never researched it spiritually by reaching out to God. I personally did my research and had experienced God's speaking and revelations before coming to a conclusion that Trinity is true. God the Father loved the world that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our Sins on Earth and Give us the Holy spirit to manifest the Truth.

well I am not among that most, so don't assume that others didn't research or reach out to God.

Did God tell you that he is Jesus Christ? Because those of us who have actually seen God, saw the son of man as well and because of his revelation and leading we saw the one true God

gohf:
by the way do you realize that those who believe that antichrist doctrine are doing miracles and healings in the name of Jesus, what if someone asks you to explain that, how do you explain that?

What's your view on that

Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Christ said it that ONLY Those Who Do The Will Of His Father will enter the kingdom of God. So if anyone is practicing Trinity that God never spoke of. That Christ never spoke of. That is not found anywhere in the bible, they are practicing lawlessness.

The have been deceived by the lawless one with signs and wonders done in their church. They think, since they did it in the name of Jesus then it is acceptable by God. They don't know that doing the will of God is great than any sign or wonder. All those who think they are defending Christ even after rejecting his words are clearly deceive by the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ESV
[9] The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels–[all of them] lying wonders–[10] And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.[11] Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,[12] In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

They have refused to take the truth from God which he spoke through Christ. The antichrist gave them trinity and they embraced it. They insult God who has given commands through Christ by their own foolish thoughts, that maybe God forgot to define trinity and that maybe the spirit of God forgot to inspire it as it should be.

They have all been deceived by the antichrist all those who go outside the scripture to borrow a name and define for themselves what they are practicing.

Boomark:
I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

I see boomark has already been asking you the same questions chibuezem, so care to share your revelation you received from God

Boomark:
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Christ said it that ONLY Those Who Do The Will Of His Father will enter the kingdom of God. So if anyone is practicing Trinity that God never spoke of. That Christ never spoke of. That is not found anywhere in the bible, they are practicing lawlessness.

The have been deceived by the lawless one with signs and wonders done in their church. They think, since they did it in the name of Jesus then it is acceptable by God. They don't know that doing the will of God is great than any sign or wonder. All those who think they are defending Christ even after rejecting his words are clearly deceive by the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ESV
[9] The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels–[all of them] lying wonders–[10] And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.[11] Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,[12] In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

They have refused to take the truth from God which he spoke through Christ. The antichrist gave them trinity and they embraced it. They insult God who has given commands through Christ by their own foolish thoughts, that maybe God forgot to define trinity and that maybe the spirit of God forgot to inspire it as it should be.

They have all been deceived by the antichrist all those who go outside the scripture to borrow a name and define for themselves what they are practicing.

💯 you know when I read a response as if as I was the one that wrote it. That's how I feel right now.

I wish many more knew this as well but nevertheless it is well, those who have ears will hear

MightySparrow:
You are my mar brother. Around 1994, there was a JWs' publication: Do you Believe in Trinity (paraphrased). I just finished NYSC then. My own sibling, who was a witness gave me to read. Rather than asking him to explain, I turned to prayer about the subject. Then the answer came. God talked to me about it. The most salient point that got me disturbed was , the three agree in one going by the Awake of that month.
The answer I got:
1. If there was agreement, to what end?
2. If they don't agree what will happen?
I was afraid and didn't ask any further questions or bothered myself about it. I just believe.
After that, maybe on personal issues or doctrinal, I turn to God in prayer. I get answers. Sometimes audibly.

maximumSide can contribute to this. I read science related course and I am made to believe that a law of reality is repeatable. Like I contributeed in a maximumSide's topic, this is my personal truth in our community truth.

cc: maximumSide

that answer is correct God, his word and his spirit are all in agreement and when you ask about what, it is not that they are God's but about Jesus Christ of Nazareth son of the living God, they all testify that concerning him, who was born of Mary to have been sent by God, filled with the holy Spirit spoken about in scriptures that he fulfilled and lived while on earth and right now at the right hand of the Father

Gabrielshow24:
Caught who? 🤨You haven't refuted anything I said, if Jesus said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" and someone else says "No man has seen God" then from your finite " wisdom" you conclude that Jesus is not God yet in the screenshots you used, "You posit that the words of Jesus are the words of God" 🤨indirectly shoo-ting yourself in the leg!

if Jesus is God according to you then did no one see him?
Then who lied and said no one has seen God when they had seen Jesus whom you believe to be God?

If the Hebrews saw an angel did they believe they had seen God? Yes or no? (Not because they believed that angel to be God Himself)

Gabrielshow24:
This is where your finite wisdom ends. The bible is talking about the essence of God. If you and that your boss stood together, what separates you based on nature🤨? Don't you both have two hands, two legs, two eyes, presumably 👀?

By nature Jesus is God, he is one with the Father. By authority, the Father is greater than him! How's that hard to understand 🤨? Your analogy defeats you once again! 😂

Even the bible verse you quoted is contrary to your argument😂. Emphasis on "fullness" peradventure your finite wisdom missed it! 😅

to you God is an essence but the bible reveals God as a person, a being whom we have revelation with as with a Father, who's name to be honored and praised YHVH