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Gabrielshow24:
I am a busy person, in my spare time I peruse on Nairaland. Also, your response is not a tangible rebuttal, it doesn't address all the counter points I raised against your "thesis". You are just making an assertion without backing it up with substance. All your points i have refuted showing the world that they are self-refuting!

You won't respond to the counter points, you continue to delude yourself by saying we are lieing while yet everything we use as a basis is from scripture! You are the one that has formed a conclusion, a conclusion impervious to reason, scripture and logic!

you are a busy person then why do you roam around looking for whom to falsely accuse without any evidence and you justify yourself even when wrong?

gohf:
you are a busy person then why do you roam around looking for whom to falsely accuse without any evidence and you justify yourself even when wrong?

Kindly drop the false accusation bit, you mentioned it earlier and you failed to make any point. Like I said, in my free time I peruse nairaland what aspect of that don't you understand?

gohf:
to you God is an essence but the bible reveals God as a person, a being whom we have revelation with as with a Father, who's name to be honored and praised YHVH

😂😂is this the best reply you have to offer as a rebuttal? This is really shallow🤦🏾‍♂️

gohf:
if Jesus is God according to you then did no one see him?
Then who lied and said no one has seen God when they had seen Jesus whom you believe to be God?

If the Hebrews saw an angel did they believe they had seen God? Yes or no? (Not because they believed that angel to be God Himself)

Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

gohf:
boomark see this one quoting steep, steep at least you can see this one referring to God as a "concept" and not a person. Boomark when you asked him to define God, did show24 give a performance or he went dancing around accusing you of not answering things he imagined and filmed in his own mind?

Boomark didn't ask me to define God👀, why with the lies? I asked him to define God. If this strawman is the best you have then I can't help your ignorance!

Gohf, you can do better than this, don't be shallow. Cheap Strawman won't help your case! They only reveal your desperation!

Ohyoudidnt:
The way you run to the defined abstracts of mathematical principles shows you cannot explain your belief in clear terms. Lie that you will not introduced the imaginary unit, i, to provide solutions to equations that have no real number solutions,

Do you disagree that the Trinity is made up of three distinct persons who are unified, co-equal, and co-eternal? This is quite different from how human beings are made up of parts that, while essential, don’t have their own separate personalities or roles so that human analogy fails flat.

Why don't you explain this first
1. How Moses can be in his grave praying and at the same time in paradise discussing with Mohammed?
2. What does it mean that Adam was created in the image of Adam?


If you don't even understand the concept of Trinity, it is as good as arguing with a person who doesn't understand how i=✓(-1) .
Therefore, understand what you are arguing against first before making yourself look like a full blown pack of balloon.

The concept of Trinity had been explained to the walls without ears and intelligence to a point of excesses
Again:
1. YHWH is ONE
2. This One YHWH has three IDENTITIES as the Holy Spirit, the Word and the Father.
3. There is NOTHING in existence that is like YHWH and Humans are created in His Image as a Limited Trinity
4. YHWH as the Holy Spirit is His Omnipresence and the whole Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is Contained in Him. God as the Father is the Visible Image of the Invisible God in the Spiritual Realm where He presides over His Creation. God as the Word is the Conveyor of the Will and Command for Creation of Everything.
5. YHWH as the Word became the Limited Human known on Earth as JESUS
6. YHWH is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient. YHWH can be somewhere and Everywhere at the same time.


Because you still wouldn't here nor understand simple spiritual things, let me help you with knowledge from your prophet


Your prophet said:
When a person dies, two angels Al-Munkar and An-Nakir will ask the Soul of the dead three questions
Who is your Lord?
What is your religion?
Who is your Prophet?

Tell me, how come the Soul of a man is Different from the Body BUT the Soul answers for the Body of the person? Tell me how the body can be dead but the soul is Alive?

But, dry walls will not hear, neither will they think!

At least I have shown you that Allah cannot be Omnipresent and neither is he Omnipotent and certainly not Omniscient. These alone disqualifies him as the Creator of Everything.

gohf:
your monotony sophistry in accusing me without prove is evident here, where did I engage you or tell you I will define God for you that you jump to judge others a failure?

is this coming from you? Even the first time I had a discourse with you, I asked you to provide me a definition. One you shied away from! In different threads that related to trinity, I did the same yet you failed to provide one definition. Even when you did by posting it in the form of some verses, it contradicted your stance!

Since all this while, you have not brought up a definition😂! Who is now falsely accusing you? If you had, I would have said yes, you brought forth and I would have moved on but since you have made evading and avoiding your modus operandi then I must call you out!

gohf:
again when and where did we ever have this conversation please kindly show us, all this proves what I wrote about you accusing others wrongly, do you enjoy it?

I will indeed bring proof, if you have forgotten or you hope to deny, I will bring it to the remembrance of all!

OAM4J

Please why are my posts targeted and removed? I have mailed you but got no response . What is wrong with what I typed in the screenshot?

TenQ:
Why don't you explain this first
1. How Moses can be in his grave praying and at the same time in paradise discussing with Mohammed?
2. What does it mean that Adam was created in the image of Adam?


If you don't even understand the concept of Trinity, it is as good as arguing with a person who doesn't understand how i=✓(-1) .
Therefore, understand what you are arguing against first before making yourself look like a full blown pack of balloon.

The concept of Trinity had been explained to the walls without ears and intelligence to a point of excesses
Again:
1. YHWH is ONE
2. This One YHWH has three IDENTITIES as the Holy Spirit, the Word and the Father.
3. There is NOTHING in existence that is like YHWH and Humans are created in His Image as a Limited Trinity
4. YHWH as the Holy Spirit is His Omnipresence and the whole Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is Contained in Him. God as the Father is the Visible Image of the Invisible God in the Spiritual Realm where He presides over His Creation. God as the Word is the Conveyor of the Will and Command for Creation of Everything.
5. YHWH as the Word became the Limited Human known on Earth as JESUS
6. YHWH is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient. YHWH can be somewhere and Everywhere at the same time.


Because you still wouldn't here nor understand simple spiritual things, let me help you with knowledge from your prophet


Your prophet said:
When a person dies, two angels Al-Munkar and An-Nakir will ask the Soul of the dead three questions
Who is your Lord?
What is your religion?
Who is your Prophet?

Tell me, how come the Soul of a man is Different from the Body BUT the Soul answers for the Body of the person? Tell me how the body can be dead but the soul is Alive?

But, dry walls will not hear, neither will they think!

At least I have shown you that Allah cannot be Omnipresent and neither is he Omnipotent and certainly not Omniscient. These alone disqualifies him as the Creator of Everything.

A liar will always make new statements to divert.

"And do not say of those who are slain in the way of Allah, ‘They are dead.’ Rather, they are alive, but you perceive not."
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:154);

You want to know and see the spirits of prophets and the righteous praying? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You probably might when you exist solely in the spirit form.

Are you trying to redefine i as a non abstract
which exists outside the number line of real numbers?

Is it a falsehood that abstract nature of mathematics means that its truth and reality are distinct from the empirical truth and physical reality we experience? ? ?

gohf:
I see boomark has already been asking you the same questions chibuezem, so care to share your revelation you received from God

See the frustration he chibuezem gave me in picture. So you know those you are dealing with.

They don't know I can answer all their questions with scriptures but I want them to answer at least one from me. Even if it is 1:3 no problem.

The same thing with Ken4Christ. I answered his question on page 3 at 3:39 pm with words typed out. He is still here saying I have not answered him.

Gabriel the false accuser who claimed he is so busy can type 1000 words with 200 laughing heads but finds it difficult to use a single scripture to backup what he said. That's when he will remember that he busy. He is busy planting falsehood everywhere.

I have replied them but it's like I'm being restricted from showing them the truth the way I want it.

TenQ:
Why don't you explain this first
1. How Moses can be in his grave praying and at the same time in paradise discussing with Mohammed?
2. What does it mean that Adam was created in the image of Adam?


If you don't even understand the concept of Trinity, it is as good as arguing with a person who doesn't understand how i=✓(-1) .
Therefore, understand what you are arguing against first before making yourself look like a full blown pack of balloon.

The concept of Trinity had been explained to the walls without ears and intelligence to a point of excesses
Again:
1. YHWH is ONE
2. This One YHWH has three IDENTITIES as the Holy Spirit, the Word and the Father.
3. There is NOTHING in existence that is like YHWH and Humans are created in His Image as a Limited Trinity
4. YHWH as the Holy Spirit is His Omnipresence and the whole Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is Contained in Him. God as the Father is the Visible Image of the Invisible God in the Spiritual Realm where He presides over His Creation. God as the Word is the Conveyor of the Will and Command for Creation of Everything.
5. YHWH as the Word became the Limited Human known on Earth as JESUS
6. YHWH is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient. YHWH can be somewhere and Everywhere at the same time.


Because you still wouldn't here nor understand simple spiritual things, let me help you with knowledge from your prophet


Your prophet said:
When a person dies, two angels Al-Munkar and An-Nakir will ask the Soul of the dead three questions
Who is your Lord?
What is your religion?
Who is your Prophet?

Tell me, how come the Soul of a man is Different from the Body BUT the Soul answers for the Body of the person? Tell me how the body can be dead but the soul is Alive?

But, dry walls will not hear, neither will they think!

At least I have shown you that Allah cannot be Omnipresent and neither is he Omnipotent and certainly not Omniscient. These alone disqualifies him as the Creator of Everything.

When the Body of your crucified Jesus was dead was his soul or spirit part in your trinity dead or alive? Then the father too?

Does your trinity not say they are all co equal, existing etc..?

Please tell why the coequality didn't all die and resurrect? Then when they were dead how come the world didn't seize to exist?

Ohyoudidnt:
A liar will always make new statements to divert.

"And do not say of those who are slain in the way of Allah, ‘They are dead.’ Rather, they are alive, but you perceive not."
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:154);

You want to know and see the spirits of prophets and the righteous praying? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You probably might when you exist solely in the spirit form.

Are you trying to redefine i as a non abstract
which exists outside the number line of real numbers?

Is it a falsehood that abstract nature of mathematics means that its truth and reality are distinct from the empirical truth and physical reality we experience? ? ?

See how you want to run away again. I did NOT define i nor try to redefine i as abstract number.

I said:

If you don't even understand the concept of Trinity, it is as good as arguing with a person who doesn't understand how i=✓(-1) .
Therefore, understand what you are arguing against first before making yourself look like a full blown pack of balloon.

Your comprehension doesn't exist and if it does,

Why don't you explain this first
1. How according to your prophet Moses can be in his grave praying and at the same time in paradise discussing with Mohammed?
2. What does it mean that Adam was created in the image of Adam?
3. Tell me, how come the angels question the Soul of a man as him and not his dead body? Did his soul commit the theft and adultery or his body?


Only Muslims seem not to understand that a human being has at least TWO simultaneous IDENTITIES of
1. His Body which represents him in the physical Realm
2. His Nafs/Ruh which represents him in the Spiritual realm.
These two Identities are separately Him and Corporately Him.
The angels understand that the Nafs/RUH is Different from the Body BUT the Soul answers for the Body of the person? Tell me how the body can be dead but the soul is Alive?


When you write an Exam, is it your Body that prepares for this exam or your Soul? Are their sometimes in your preparation for this examination that your soul will want to study but your body wants to rest?

If you can't understand the Duality or Trinity of Humans, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand the Trinity of God.


As usual, you will pretend that I did not ask you six Questions in this post!

Do you just want to argue or you desire to know the Truth about the Trinity or Duality of Humans and then in extension to the Trinity of God!?

Chibuezem:
Here's a detailed explanation of trinity that won't take your time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts

And he has explained this falsehood to you and you believe it. I know you are still seeking for knowledge.

Now take your time and gather every point you can think of from the video and ask me questions. I will answer ALL and destroy the video and everything in it with God's word.

If I ask you to back your questions with scriptures you will start failing from the beginning.

I am doing this so that you will know that you are only doing the will of satan and the antichrist.

Ohyoudidnt:
When the Body of your crucified Jesus was dead was his soul or spirit part in your trinity dead or alive? Then the father too?

Does your trinity not say they are all co equal, existing etc..?

Please tell why the coequality didn't all die and resurrect? Then when they were dead how come the world didn't seize to exist?

Like I said:
Until you understand the basics, there is no point explaining what is beyond your ability to comprehend. It would be a waste of time explaining to an ignorant and uneducated fellow how i=✓(-1) without this person understanding basic mathematics.

So likewise and in parallel to your question, I am giving you back your question to show the deep ignorance behind it.
1. When your body dies, does your Nafs/Ruh die too?
2. When you die, why is your Soul questioned and not your body? Is your Soul co-equal to your body?
3. If your body truly died, why didn't your soul die too?

SMH!
Deep ignorance!

Ken4Christ:
Stop making references to screenshots. Answer it in plain language.

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. His he God?

Go to page 3 at 3:39 pm and see where I answered you in plane language. That was more than 4 days now. And you can't answer my own.

I don't have time for deceitful people.

TenQ:
Like I said:
Until you understand the basics, there is no point explaining what is beyond your ability to comprehend. It would be a waste of time explaining to an ignorant and uneducated fellow how i=✓(-1) without this person understanding basic mathematics.

So likewise and in parallel to your question, I am giving you back your question to show the deep ignorance behind it.
1. When your body dies, does your Nafs/Ruh die too?
2. When you die, why is your Soul questioned and not your body? Is your Soul co-equal to your body?
3. If your body truly died, why didn't your soul die too?

SMH!
Deep ignorance!

You see how you again start with your equation then divert from it?

Mr nonsensical confusion player why don't you explain the basics you feel I don't understand then show how it applies to your view of trinity?

The same old you cannot explain because you definitely confuse yourself in linking it.

TenQ:
Like I said:
Until you understand the basics, there is no point explaining what is beyond your ability to comprehend. It would be a waste of time explaining to an ignorant and uneducated fellow how i=✓(-1) without this person understanding basic mathematics.

So likewise and in parallel to your question, I am giving you back your question to show the deep ignorance behind it.
1. When your body dies, does your Nafs/Ruh die too?
2. When you die, why is your Soul questioned and not your body? Is your Soul co-equal to your body?
3. If your body truly died, why didn't your soul die too?

SMH!
Deep ignorance!

You enter paradise in spirit but those in hell have their spirit or body repeatedly burning?

Can fire burn the spirit?

Bring a mathematical jargon to show this.

Boomark:
See where I told to oppose my posts by using your own definition of God after you asked me to define God. But till date you have not done anything. You think people don't see your lies.

gohf see how they compete their father satan. He will be lying and still be busy accusing you of telling lies.

This doesn't prove any point, it doesn't change the existing fact that you goofed several times earlier. The inherent falsehood in gohf claim I have pointed out. Whether you said I should use my definition or not doesn't change the falsehood he posited!

It only buttresses my point that you all are airbenders—evading and avoiding 😂. You will probably give Aang ATLA, a run for his money!

Gabrielshow24:
Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

Oga answer his question.

Who lied in the bible by telling us that no eyes have seen God when all eyes have seen Jesus who you said is God? John 1:18 and 1 Timothy 6:16.

Boomark:
Oga answer his question.

Who lied in the bible by telling us that no eyes have seen God when all eyes have seen Jesus who you said is God? John 1:18 and 1 Timothy 6:16.

what question? I have asked you to answer did Jesus lie when he said he that has seen me as seen the Father? This question you haven't answered and you can never answer. What more do I need of you, the context is in the pudding! You also took the antecedent clause in John1:8 to serve your case while neglecting the consequent clause. 🤦🏾‍♂️

If you are certain, answer the question. Did Jesus lie? But since you can't you have no case. Wisdom warrants that you should understand the context both John and Timothy meant to pass across!

Ohyoudidnt:
You enter paradise in spirit but those in hell have their spirit or body repeatedly burning?

Can fire burn the spirit?

Bring a mathematical jargon to show this.

You see how you prove your gross ignorance: why is there resurrection if you enter the Islamic paradise without the body?


So likewise and in parallel to your question, I am giving you back your question to show the deep ignorance behind it.
1. When your body dies, does your Nafs/Ruh die too?
2. When you die, why is your Soul questioned and not your body? Is your Soul co-equal to your body?
3. If your body truly died, why didn't your soul die too?

SMH!
Deep ignorance!

Ohyoudidnt:
You see how you again start with your equation then divert from it?

Mr nonsensical confusion player why don't you explain the basics you feel I don't understand then show how it applies to your view of trinity?

The same old you cannot explain because you definitely confuse yourself in linking it.

Muslims are archaic spiritually

1. When your body dies, does your Nafs/Ruh die too?
2. When you die, why is your Soul questioned and not your body? Is your Soul co-equal to your body?
3. If your body truly died, why didn't your soul die too?

SMH!
Deep ignorance!

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly drop the false accusation bit, you mentioned it earlier and you failed to make any point. Like I said, in my free time I peruse nairaland what aspect of that don't you understand?

I made my point and provided evidences, if you can deny something as simple as this it is no surprise on your opposite stand in view of the truth of the gospel.

It takes a honest man to admit the truth when faced with it, but are you such a man, have you shown yourself to be such? Hmmm 🤔

Gabrielshow24:
Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

🤣😂 is it that you cannot answer simple question or you don't understand what you read that you tagged them "reconciliation" 😂😂😆😆😆

gohf:
I made my point and provided evidences, if you can deny something as simple as this it is no surprise on your opposite stand in view of the truth of the gospel.

It takes a honest man to admit the truth when faced with it, but are you such a man, have you shown yourself to be such? Hmmm 🤔

what do you intend to prove? Because a man wrote "This is false accusation" in a post, you hold onto it as some form of trophy have you even taken time to read whether or not I accused him falsely?

These cheap scripts just lower your value, also stooping this low is really b.ad😂.

Gabrielshow24:
Boomark didn't ask me to define God👀, why with the lies? I asked him to define God. If this strawman is the best you have then I can't help your ignorance!

Gohf, you can do better than this, don't be shallow. Cheap Strawman won't help your case! They only reveal your desperation!

yes I can do better at continually providing evidence. Guy we are just on earth imagine how it would be for you on that day when books containing every minute of your life would be opened

The idea of the Trinity is theological fraud — a man-made confusion nowhere taught by any prophet, including Jesus (peace be upon him).

One God is the Father, full stop. Not one divided into three conflicting roles.

God is not a mystery; He is One, indivisible, absolute — not a mathematical puzzle for councils to vote on centuries later.

Pure monotheism is clarity. Trinity is contradiction.

gohf:
🤣😂 is it that you cannot answer simple question or you don't understand what you read that you tagged them "reconciliation" 😂😂😆😆😆

It's a reconciliation because it tends to explain two seemingly contradictory verses but it fails outright.

Not even you can say Jesus lied! What then are you probing for? Even in science the human mind can't process more than three dimensions except through mathematical abstractions and yet you want them to be able to parse an infinite dimensioned God. Jesus saying that is True because he is the 3-D depiction of God that the brain can parse. No one can see God in the infinite-D form we can't parse it!

What aspect of this don't you understand? When the biblical writers wrote such they expected the audience to understand the context and not sell cheap scripts online!

If truly your posit is right, kindly assert that Jesus is wrong? You can't! This is where your wisdom is found wanting again!