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TenQ:
Your question shows complete IGNORANCE of what you think you mean: it's like claiming the CONFUSION of Scientists about their claim of the fact that i=✓(-1) when you don't even know a hoot about complex numbers!


Let me ask you a question because
As Christians, we believe that a human being is created as a Trinity of his Body, Soul and Spirit.
If you do not understand the Trinity or Duality of Man, how can you understand the Trinity of God?
Show me in the bible where God Said I created you in trinity....
show us where Jesus said I was created in trinity
Were the others animals created in trinity too... Birds goats, Lions are they in Trinity
Tree also were they in Trinity too



If indeed it is true according to your prophet that Moses (as an example of prophets) is in his grave doing salat: how was it that your prophet discussed with him when he travelled to paradise on the Al-Burak?

Ohyoudidnt:
Quite right. For some reason my further responses aren't allowed with a following ban. I see the real truth is too much for them to bare.

Gabrielshow24:
There's no correlation between your predicament and "the real truth"!

A lot of people have faced this in other sections not too inclined to free speech 👀! By your logic those people can't handle the hard Truth😂!

Gabrielshow24:
Could you kindly point out where I said that? We’re already accustomed to your misleading remarks! Just like how you falsely claimed earlier that I lied, until I exposed you with screenshots.

Now, once again, let’s reveal to the world just who you really are! 😂 You’ve even stooped so low as to resort to such cheap tactics. For the sake of future conversations, please educate yourself on what 'false dichotomy' actually means, and save us all some time!

Expanse2020:
[/quote]Were the others animals created in trinity too...
Birds goats, Lions are they in Trinity
Tree also were they in Trinity too
Ask and you shall be given requisite knowledge.
Nothing else in Creation is created as a Trinity!
Not even Angels or Demons!






[quote author=Expanse2020 post=136224167]. So you actually believed that our prophet travel to paradise... Ma sha Allah atleast you said the truth for the first time 🤔[/b]

Steep:
Actually it implies Jesus is fully God.
The word interpreted as "Godhead" is theotes in Greek and it means the state of being God.
Paul was saying that Jesus is fully God.

Ohyoudidnt:
If Paul truly believed that Jesus was God, he wouldn't refer to God as the head of Christ or restrict God to just the Father.

The head of Christ is God.

In simple terms, God holds authority over Christ.

There is one God and Father of all, who is above all, through all, and in all.

Steep:
why don't you continue the verse he also said there is one LORD by whom are all things, you just pick a from a verse what you think aligns with your belief, not minding the other pars and verses goes against your belief.
You have jumped into another topic.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus of course has a God and[b] he is himself God manifest in human flesh. You can’t see God in physical form. If you want to see God in physical form, look at Jesus[/b].

Janosky:
Your early church Father Tertullian says no.
Theotes meaning divine nature/quality.
The word "Godhead" is not in any Greek manuscript.
In Greek,the word "deity" mean a god or goddess.
OR
"Essential nature of a god."
Some people change am to state of being God but the real meaning is a god.
In Greek ,"deity" is not,never God Almighty.


Don't be spreading false info on this forum.
I dey beg you.
Read the screenshot.

Steep:
no hierarchy within the trinity instead there is order operation rather than inequality of nature.
Jesus, The father and The holy Spirit are one. But have different order of operation.
For example, all things came from the Father through the Son and by the Spirit.
The Father is the head of Christ because the father ordained Jesus christ.

Steep:
even your source says that Jesus is made up same stuff the father is made up off.
Lol I nor fit shout.
Do you even know the meaning of deity? You are grasping a straws. In Greek Almighty God is a deity.

Janosky:
"The son is NOT God himself.
Nor is he divine in the same sense that the Father is."
Source: Tertullian,early Church Father

Oga Steep, go and rest jare .
No dey deceive yourself

Steep:
The same Tertullian told you that the Son is of same essence with the father. You have ran away from theotes because you found out your lie could not stand.
If Jesus has the fulness of God hood then he is God.

Boomark:
See it here.

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false/11#136168245

Oya tell the whole world what my false dichotomy is, then I will show them the truth about what you said.

Ken4Christ:
Don't mind them. Jesus is fully God. He claimed the only name God calls himself:

He said 'before Abraham was. I Am.
He said, I am the first and the last.
The Bible says that all things were made by him and without him was nothing made.
God the Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8 and confirmed he created everything.

God is Almighty and thus has the ability to manifest himself in different forms but yet the same person.

Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes, absolutely.
Why then are some folks don't accept that Jesus is God?

If Jesus is not God and he sent down the Holy Spirit who is God, how can you reconcile this?

How can someone who isn't God send God the Spirit to come down to earth.

He even added that the Holy Spirit will only speak what he hears from him and he will glory Jesus. Hallelujah.

This mystery is too high for the carnal mind.

May the Lord grant all these sceptics understanding in the mighty name of Jesus.

Ohyoudidnt:
Trinity that isn't exactly expressed in the Bible?

Ohyoudidnt:
You selectively read the verse in the Quran?

And on Judgment Day˺Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit so you spoke to people in your infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay by My Will and breathed into it and it became a real bird by My Will. How you healed the blind and the lepers by My Will. How you brought the dead to life by My Will. How I prevented the Children of Israel from harming you when you came to them with clear proofs and the disbelievers among them said, “This is nothing but pure magic.”


You vehemently disregarded by my will (Allah's will).

Ohyoudidnt:
Jesus may perform the physical acts, but he isn't the one who created everything. The true source of all creation, in a divine sense, is Allah alone. He bestowed the miracle upon Jesus as a sign, not as a way to prove divinity.

Enough has been said.

TenQ:
Taoheed also doesn't exist anywhere in the Qur'an



Can you explain why it is not a mistake of Allah to infuse in Jesus Christ attributes not given to any man
1. Jesus is a co-creator of Life with Allah
2. Jesus is the only born human with no human father
3. Jesus is the only spirit from Allah who became human
4. Jesus is the only Word of Allah cast down from Allah to become human





Quran (22:73)
"O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away a thing from them, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued."


Only God can create life according to Allah

TenQ:
Taoheed also doesn't exist anywhere in the Qur'an



Can you explain why it is not a mistake of Allah to infuse in Jesus Christ attributes not given to any man
1. Jesus is a co-creator of Life with Allah
2. Jesus is the only born human with no human father
3. Jesus is the only spirit from Allah who became human
4. Jesus is the only Word of Allah cast down from Allah to become human





Quran (22:73)
"O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away a thing from them, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued."


Only God can create life according to Allah

Gabrielshow24:
Exactly my point! Such characteristics are attributed to Allah only but we find them exhibited by Jesus!

The Quran used the yardstick that false gods couldn't create life, speak etc to dismiss them invariably suggesting such attributes as Godship! Yet we have all these in Jesus! 👀

He doesn't want to acknowledge the simple fact that Jesus created life in the Quran—even though we are aware that such stories were copied from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas 👀!

I wonder maybe it was Allah that made my TV🤔 perhaps my p.o.p was made by him👀!— I still wonder, why the essence of logos and trademarks on objects when Allah made them all😂?👀 Maybe my Iphone was made by Allah 🤔, I wonder why the Apple logo though 🤔? does Allah like apples👀?

If a grown man can not acknowledge the doer of an action because of sentiments then he is intellectually dishonest to himself! Thanks, Ten Q for your submissions!

Gabrielshow24:
Ohyoudidnt, your response is above!
CreativeOrbit can also help you.

Gabrielshow24:
Trinity has been conceptually!...right from Genesis. There are instances of this in Genesis but I suppose that definitely the Lord that ate and dined with Abraham, can't be Allah👀—By definition!

Moving on😅, to other books such as the zabur we see other instances!—The spirit, the Son comes into play. We can continue going, book by book to see that such concept is well exemplified in the bible!

Now, with all your eloquence you failed to address the simple question, "Did Allah create Iphones?"🤦🏾‍♂️ I suppose such a question is very difficult for an intellectual such as yourself...is it? 👀

Adam didn't have a Father because he was molded from clay, Jesus didn't have a physical Father for he was the word and spirit from Allah! There are two different things—You can't draw similarities between the Sun and firewood with inference of equality!

Your prophet, even with the way you want to associate with him the miracle of the moon, wasn't presented that way by the Quran🤣! He was the only prophet that didn't perform a single miracle, he is basically just like one of us👀! He claimed the Quran was the miracle🤔, the same way I claim this post is the miracle that Allah sent me with😅!... Believe me, as the last prophet ✋... 🤣🤣🤣

There's no archeological, scientific and historical source to corroborate such a story! In some thread last year that dealt with this extensively, we concluded that Allah used Mangekyo sharingan 😉👁️! And no such thing occured! —Well, there goes your claim😅!

Jesus is the only prophet that is specifically assigned these attributes 🤔. Even the best of mankind was relegated to the sidelines, you had to create a creed to give him cognizance 😅. The fact remains that Allah took him to himself and he is the "supposed" word of Allah or from Allah👀—Any one you choose doesn't help your cause philosophically!

CreativeOrbit:
Your claims are sloppy, theologically confused, and easy to shred. Let’s do it quickly.

1) “Tawḥīd isn’t in the Qur’an”

The word “Trinity” isn’t in your Bible either, yet you build your entire creed on it. The doctrine of Tawḥīd (pure, absolute oneness of God) is spelled out all over the Qur’an:

“Say: He is Allah, One (Aḥad). Allah, the Self‑Sufficient… He begets not, nor is He begotten, and none is comparable to Him.” (Qur’an 112:1‑4)

“Your God is One God (Ilāhun Wāḥid).” (Qur’an 2:163)

“We did not send any messenger before you except that We revealed to him that there is no deity but Me, so worship Me.” (Qur’an 21:25)

Tawḥīd is the air the Qur’an breathes. Pretending it “doesn’t exist” only exposes that you haven’t read the text you’re attacking.

CreativeOrbit:
2) “Jesus is co‑creator of life with Allah”

False. The Qur’an explicitly limits his miracle to Allah’s permission:

“…I create for you out of clay the form of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird by Allah’s permission.” (Qur’an 3:49)

“…you created from clay as it were the figure of a bird by My permission…” (Qur’an 5:110)

“By Allah’s permission” ≠ “co‑Creator”. It proves the opposite of what you’re claiming: Jesus is not independent, Allah is.

CreativeOrbit:
3) “Jesus is uniquely born without a father”

Miraculous birth ≠ divinity. Adam had no father and no mother. The Qur’an levels the point bluntly:

“The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him ‘Be,’ and he was.” (Qur’an 3:59)

If a fatherless birth makes Jesus God, what does no parents at all make Adam?

CreativeOrbit:
4) “Jesus is the only ‘spirit from Allah’”

The Qur’an says Allah breathed of His spirit into Adam (32:9; 15:29) — and humanity generally. “Rūḥun minhu” is an honorific attribution, not ontological divinity. Everything is “from Allah” (creation, mercy, rain, revelation). That doesn’t make everything Allah.

CreativeOrbit:
5) “Jesus is the only ‘Word’ of Allah”

Again, you’re ripping the phrase from its Qur’anic meaning. “His Word” means created by His command “Be” (Kun) — not a divine, eternal Logos becoming flesh (that’s your Hellenized theology, not ours). See Qur’an 4:171; 3:45; 16:40.

CreativeOrbit:
6) Your own citation (22:73) backfires

Qur’an 22:73 proves no one creates independently of Allah. Exactly. Which is why every miracle of Jesus is explicitly chained to “by Allah’s permission.” You just cited a verse that destroys your thesis.

Bottom line

Tawḥīd is everywhere in the Qur’an; your Bible doesn’t even contain the word “Trinity”, nor does Jesus ever say “I am God, worship me.”

Jesus’ miracles prove he’s a messenger empowered by Allah, not a co‑equal God.

Adam’s creation and the “spirit from Him” language show your “uniqueness” claims are theologically hollow.

Stop projecting your confused Christology onto Islam. The Qur’an is consistent: Allah alone is the Creator, Absolute, without partner. Jesus (ʿĪsā) عليه السلام is His servant, word, and prophet — not His equal.

Gabrielshow24:
Ohyoudidnt, your response is above!
CreativeOrbit can also help you.