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Janosky:
Apostle wey write Colossians 2:9 & Ephesians 3:19 have proven the doubters wrong.

Ephesians 3:19 no dey their hearts but E dey their Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
The concept of the Trinity isn't actually found in Genesis. While Genesis 1:1–2 does mention God and the Spirit hovering over the waters, it doesn't refer to three distinct persons or a Son. People often point to the phrase let Us make man in Our image (Genesis 1:26), but the plural language in Hebrew (Elohim) is used for majesty rather than indicating multiple beings .

Even Jewish scholars tend to reject a Trinitarian interpretation. Plus, the term “Trinity” itself never appears in the Bible, and the idea was only formally established centuries later at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE.

Couldn't reply steep at the time but he should consider 1 Corinthians 8:6 in Greek to see theos used for God and kyrios used for Jesus.

Paul refers to God as Theos and uses Kyrios for Jesus, which clearly sets them apart. This choice of words doesn’t support the idea of the Trinity; instead, it highlights Jesus' role as subordinate and a mediator, aligning with the Islamic perspective of him being a messenger rather than God.

While Kyrios can indeed be a divine title, it has also been used for kings, masters, and other respected individuals. For instance, even Abraham is referred to as lord (kyrios) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.

Steep:
The same Tertullian told you that the Son is of same essence with the father.

Steep:
You have ran away from theotes because you found out your lie could not stand.
If Jesus has the fulness of God hood then he is God.

TenQ:
To show you the .... of your questions, I show you a parallel

Show me in the bible where God Said I created you in trinity....

Perhaps you should tell us first as you always claim... God created you in Trinity 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You come de use logic....
show us where Jesus said I was created in trinity 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 dodging 🤣🤣🤣🤣




Were the others animals created in trinity too...
Birds goats, Lions are they in Trinity
Tree also were they in Trinity too
Ask and you shall be given requisite knowledge.
Nothing else in Creation is created as a Trinity!
Not even Angels or Demons!
You get answer for this (animals,birds and others)but not for Jesus and human.. .







So, you prophet fabricated all these stories
The Al-Burak was a lie
Traveling to the farthest mosque was a lie
Speaking to Moses and co was a lie
All the drama with Jibril and the gates of paradise were fabrications!
The 50 daily prayers reduced to five are fabrications!


What else is real in Islam?

Janosky:

"The son is not God himself.... not different as to essence."
Source : Tertullian,early Church Father.
Oga Steep ,why are you deceiving yourself?

"Jesus not God himself ."
The fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, Ephesian believers & other believers.
Ephesians 3:19 & 2 Peter 1:4. Colossians 1:19.

Oga,go and rest .

Boomark:
I want to ask

Do you people believe that Jesus is a God?

Expanse2020:
We all know Christianity was based lies so don't let robb salt to your injuries🤣🤣🤣


Answer the question and let move to another one
Show us where the bible or your God said he created you in Trinity
Or Jesus was created in Trinity

Steep:
So do you agree with Tertullian that the Son is not God himself.. not different as to essence?

So if the fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, what does that make him?

Expanse2020:
We all know Christianity was based lies so don't let robb salt to your injuries🤣🤣🤣


Answer the question and let move to another one
Show us where the bible or your God said he created you in Trinity
Or Jesus was created in Trinity

Janosky:
Tertullian is correct .
"Jesus is not God himself ... not different as to essence."

Jesus is surbordinate to God his Senior(Father) in EVERYTHING,John 12:49-50.
Yahweh the Almighty God bestowed on believers the fullness of God
Oga,What does that make the believers?

Oga Steep,you wan edit John 17:21 in your Bible?

Steep:
"baptize them in the name (not names) of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit all have one name. This is oneness of nature.
So if Jesus is given all power that means he is Almighty. Because only an Almighty being can wield all power.

it was not added. I thought you said the Christian Bible does not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity, but here you are trying to discredit a verse in the scripture that teaches Trinity after trying to deny it does no[/b]t. Make it make sense.

Gabrielshow24:
Quite false and misleading. God gave his Son, the fullness of God, to us. Also, appealing to Tertullian also grants his other debilitating remarks to your JW doctrine. I for one don't hold such appeals! Some time ago you brought up some footnote commentaries to prove that "spirit of trees" were angels😂!

Steep:
"baptize them in the name (not names) of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit all have one name. This is oneness of nature.
So if Jesus is given all power that means he is Almighty. Because only an Almighty being can wield all power.

it was not added. I thought you said the Christian Bible does not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity, but here you are trying to discredit a verse in the scripture that teaches Trinity after trying to deny it does not. Make it make sense.

Janosky:
Your early church Father Tertullian says no.
Theotes meaning divine nature/quality.
The word "Godhead" is not in any Greek manuscript.
In Greek,the word "deity" mean a god or goddess.
OR
"Essential nature of a god."
Some people change am to state of being God but the real meaning is a god.
In Greek ,"deity" is not,never God Almighty.


Don't be spreading false info on this forum.
I dey beg you.
Read the screenshot.

Steep:
1).They have their own twisted interpretation to verses that shows Jesus is God.
2).Imagine saying Almighty God is not a deity? Is that not blasphemy?
3). He is willing to blaspheme Jehovah because the scripture clearly said Jesus is God.

Janosky:
Pls type every false claim you can.
I won't give you attention.
Spend all your time wisely .

gohf:
it's like you don't know steep again, even if the truth is right in front of him, he will still fall off a steep 😏

You understand Oga Steep very well.

Gabrielshow24:
Quite false and misleading. God gave his Son, the fullness of God, to us. Also, appealing to Tertullian also grants his other debilitating remarks to your JW doctrine. I for one don't hold such appeals! Some time ago you brought up some footnote commentaries to prove that "spirit of trees" were angels😂!

Janosky:
Tertullian is correct .
"Jesus is not God himself ... not different as to essence."

Jesus is surbordinate to God his Senior(Father) in EVERYTHING,John 12:49-50.
Yahweh the Almighty God bestowed on believers the fullness of God
Oga,What does that make the believers?

Oga Steep,you wan edit John 17:21 in your Bible?

Janosky:
What a futile attempt to CHANGE 1 Cor 11:3 & 15:27 !!

gohf:
so what is the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit?

Who gave Jesus all power?

Who gave the person that gave Jesus all power?

Janosky:
LIE no 1.
Lie No2.
Lie no3.

Nah their way to make False claims against JWs.

Janosky:
Jesus is in agreement with Psalms 82:6,that Jesus, God's son is a god, John 10:34-36.
Plural :sons are gods.
Jesus is the son.
For your info, John 10:33 the proper rendition is "a god".
Pls check the screenshots.

Gabrielshow24:
You have not dismissed the existence of trinity in Genesis, perhaps you missed the verse Gen19:24 "The Lord rained down sulfur and fire ... —from the Lord out of heaven".

Likewise was it Allah that appeared to Abraham 🤔? was it Allah that supposedly walked with Adam in the cool of the day?🤧—Definitely not! By definition, it can never be Allah👀.

Even with all your glib and maudlin statement, you failed to answer my question! I will repeat for the sake of emphasis, "Did Allah create Iphones?"

This also brings to the mind another pertinent issue thrashed out in some thread🤔 about the "Quranic fact that Allah was the one in the fire😂". Something that contradicts the standard narratives 🤧

Ohyoudidnt:
Specifically with reference to your speak on Gen 19:24 can you explain if it is double speak or contradiction when you read Gen 19:13?

Steep:
The same Tertullian told you that the Son is of same essence with the father. You have ran away from theotes because you found out your lie could not stand.
If Jesus has the fulness of God hood then he is God.

Gabrielshow24:
It's not.

Ohyoudidnt:
Well you should expantiate as Genesis 19:13 tells us that angels were the ones who destroyed Sodom, but then in 19:24, it says that the Lord Himself rained down fire.

What’s even more puzzling is the phrase that suggests the Lord rained from the Lord, which makes it sound like there are two Lords involved, leading to more confusion.

In verse 19:13, it mentions that the Lord sent the angels to destroy the city, while verse 19:24 states that the LORD rained brimstone and fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of heaven.

These kinds of contradictions and vague wording can really lead to misunderstandings about who God is and what His role is in these events.

Gabrielshow24:
Actually, if you had gone earlier you would have seen that God when appearing to Abraham went there. He had given the green light for such destruction.

Angels were sent to rescue lot and likewise initiate the destruction of Sodom—The hebrew wording emphasizes that Yahweh rained fire out of Yahweh from heaven. Attributing the destruction of Sodom, ultimately to God! Not Angels which were solely agents of such a destruction. Hope this clear this up.

Abraham's request to God was that God won't destroy the righteous with the wicked, hence it's imperative that the righteous be escorted out of the city, which by the way was done by the angels, before the destruction commenced!

I have been quite engaged on other threads hence didn't see this mention. You still haven't provided a response to my question 👀.

Ohyoudidnt:
You didn't quite answer my direct questions or concerns.

The angels declared, We will destroy this place, because they were acting as God's authorized representatives, speaking on His behalf with the authority He had given them. In biblical terms, these agents often communicate as if they are the ones taking action, even though all the power and deeds truly belong to God.

Which question didn't I answer?

Ohyoudidnt:
Well you should expantiate as Genesis 19:13 tells us that angels were the ones who destroyed Sodom, but then in 19:24, it says that the Lord Himself rained down fire.

What’s even more puzzling is the phrase that suggests the Lord rained from the Lord, which makes it sound like there are two Lords involved, leading to more confusion.

In verse 19:13, it mentions that the Lord sent the angels to destroy the city, while verse 19:24 states that the LORD rained brimstone and fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of heaven.

These kinds of contradictions and vague wording can really lead to misunderstandings about who God is and what His role is in these events.