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Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by AntiChristian: 11:11am On Jul 23, 2025

occfx:
But they did not resurrect, and that's the difference. However, the issue is not about the gods its about you. The gods depends on you, not the other way.

They belief the death were not really a major death and that those people are still elsewhere living. At least their belief is in what can be visibly seen like thunder though erroneous! The similarity is god becoming man! God being born by a normal man yet not normal!

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by occfx: 5:08pm On Jul 23, 2025

AntiChristian:
They belief the death were not really a major death and that those people are still elsewhere living. At least their belief is in what can be visibly seen like thunder though erroneous! The similarity is god becoming man! God being born by a normal man yet not normal!

Yes I question that aspect too but anything beyond human comprehension is super natural and if any person who dies and resurrects after 3 days tells me God sent him I will believe Untill proven otherwise.

If anybody today will die and resurrect after 3 days or 1wk.. I will know there is nothing special about Jesus death.

As far he is the only person who has done it and calls it sacrifice. I will like to work with that kind person until someone proves it wrong with evidence.

Since he said I can even do better than him... I believe it because, it's true human being is the most powerful being on earth. So any other person trying to deceive me with religion and other methods is wasting his time because, the only person who died and resurrected already said we can do better than him. Since he said him and his father are one, me too and my father are also one, meaning we are all one and God. One day we will achieve immortality the way he did.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 10:07pm On Jul 24, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
Just say that you are not happy that I have bursted your delusions for the facts are clearly that no matter how great your faith is, you are still gonna die (first death) if Jesus has not come before then.

And then you see that, the same death which has swallowed everybody now vomits them to God for Judgment.

It's all there in black and white so nobody in the world can dispute it.

John 3:18 says according to KJV....."Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"

Ofcourse, if God's day does not arrive in my lifetime, at some point, we will all go 6 feets under. That is inevitable.

But in what state do you die. Do you die a "beleiver" or do you die an "unbeleiver"....by the way an unbeleiver includes someone who "beleived" but did not act in accord with his beleif.

If you die a beleiver, John 3:18 is very clear, you are not condemned. That is your reward as a beleiver. If you are not, you are already condemned.

I think the mistake most people make is to take the book of Revelation in literal terms. Reveralation is not to be interpreted literally. That would make no sense at all.

Anyway, your choice. At least i tried to tell you.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:07am On Jul 25, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
John 3:18 says according to KJV....."Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"..

Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die?

So are you saying that the disciples, Paul and co did not die?

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 11:34pm On Jul 26, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die?

So are you saying that the disciples, Paul and co did not die?

At what point did I ever say that?

Wait! Are you so bent on arguing that you seem to have forgotten why this exchange started in the first place?

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:05am On Jul 27, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
At what point did I ever say that?

Wait! Are you so bent on arguing that you seem to have forgotten why this exchange started in the first place?

No, I am right on the point which is that people died the first death and that by Revelation 19, death vomited them before God.

You seem to believe and argue that because of John 3:18, people would not die via the word you which is why I bolded the word you kept on saying again and again which is "is not condemned,". Hence why I asked you, Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die? Which you have just confirmed that no, these words does not mean that a person will not die first (first death) if Jesus Jesus has not yet come.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 3:55pm On Jul 27, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
No, I am right on the point which is that people died the first death and that by Revelation 19, death vomited them before God.

You seem to believe and argue that because of John 3:18, people would not die via the word you which is why I bolded the word you kept on saying again and again which is "is not condemned,". Hence why I asked you, Does "is not condemned" mean that you are not going to die? Which you have just confirmed that no, these words does not mean that a person will not die first (first death) if Jesus has not yet come.

No, you're not. You're just all over the place.

The main point I posited was that "at death, you are acquitted of sin"

Whether you are a believer or not, death acquits you of your sins. Which means that when you die, you have paid the price for sin, which the Bible tells us is death.

God told Adam.....in Genesis 3:19, "....for you are dust and to dust you will return" There was no mention of any other judgment for Adam after his death. He told him....in the day he eats from the fruit, he will die.

So very clearly and explicitly, the Bible says the penalty for sin is death.

Take note, in God's sight death is as though a person were in a state of sleep. Because he has the power over death. So it is fitting to say that death vomits the dead to God.

Now back to John 3:18 ... a believer is not condemned because due to the fact that he believed and acted in accord with his belief, he has access to eternal life. So even though he died, he did not need to pay the debt of sin because of the blood of the lamb....Jesus. And because he believed in him, the value of that blood opened up the way for him. In that wise, he is not condemned.

A non believer is a non believer. When he dies, he no longer has any debt to pay. Because death pays the debt of sin. But he is already dead. The value of the blood of the lamb cannot be applied to him, because he did not believe. Therefore, there is no basis for eternal life for him. Such ones's are said to have been condemned.

So when death "vomits" the dead, it is to an outcome that has already been determined long before the day Death gives them up. Death vomiting the dead is not to be taken literally. Death is not an entity that can carry out an action word. Death is the state of being unalive.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:01am On Jul 28, 2025*

EMIOMOADEOYE:
.The main point I posited was that "at death, you are acquitted of sin"

Whether you are a believer or not, death acquits you of your sins. Which means that when you die, you have paid the price for sin, which the Bible tells us is death.

God told Adam.....in Genesis 3:19, "....for you are dust and to dust you will return" There was no mention of any other judgment for Adam after his death. He told him....in the day he eats from the fruit, he will die.

So very clearly and explicitly, the Bible says the penalty for sin is death.

Take note, in
A non believer is a non believer. When he dies, he no longer has any debt to pay. Because death pays the debt of sin. But he is already dead. The value of the blood of the lamb cannot be applied to him, because he did not believe. Therefore, there is no basis for eternal life for him. Such ones's are said to have been condemned..

You had a lot of points which I would have liked to correct but I could not, so I addressed this area so it is settled and now I can focus on this one.

And on this point, I have to invite my brother Gabrielshow24:, Emusam
to join me in clearing this your error.

First the correct word you are supposed to say is that you are serving/served your sentence (punishment) and not acquitted.

Which means you have been a rested, taken to a Court, tried and the Judge pronounced you "guilty'.

Which also means that you have been charged with a crime/sin/offences.

And if the Judge found you innocent of the charges, then he discharges and acquits you.

Therefore, an acquittal takes place before punishment and not after punishment as you wrongly think.

Meanwhile, no one has been taken to God's Court nor did God Judge their cases whether they are guilty or discharged and acquitted, before they died,

So they have not served their punishment nor paid the price for their sins.

Therefore, death is the Gods Police come to a rest people to take them to God's Court for prosecution and trial.

And that is why you see death do like black Maria and prison trucks delivering it's inmates to God's Court at the end in Revelations 19.

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Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Gabrielshow24: 8:48am On Jul 28, 2025

Well said Dtruthspeaker.
Death is the conceptual consequence of sin. It doesn't cure the actor of such sin. Thus, even if he is "acquitted"👀 by death, his life still hangs in the balance and subject to God's judgement.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 5:38pm On Jul 28, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
You had a lot of points which I would have liked to correct but I could not, so I addressed this area so it is settled and now I can focus on this one.

And on this point, I have to invite my brother Gabrielshow24:, Emusam
to join me in clearing this your error.

First the correct word you are supposed to say is that you are serving/served your sentence (punishment) and not acquitted.

Which means you have been a rested, taken to a Court, tried and the Judge pronounced you "guilty'.

Which also means that you have been charged with a crime/sin/offences.

And if the Judge found you innocent of the charges, then he discharges and acquits you.

Therefore, an acquittal takes place before punishment and not after punishment as you wrongly think.

Meanwhile, no one has been taken to God's Court nor did God Judge their cases whether they are guilty or discharged and acquitted, before they died,

So they have not served their punishment nor paid the price for their sins.

Therefore, death is the Gods Police come to a rest people to take them to God's Court for prosecution and trial.

And that is why you see death do like black Maria and prison trucks delivering it's inmates to God's Court at the end in Revelations 19.

Abel was declared righteous.....was he not?

Abraham was declared righteous.....was he not?

If as you say, no one has been taken to God's court.....how then when they declared righteous?

Let me borrow yet another common but faulty interpretation of one of Jesus parables.

The Rich man and Lazarus.....if as you say, no one has been taken to God's court, how did the Rich man get to where he was.....and how did Lazarus get to where he is with Moses.......(mind you I am not saying these are correct interpretations. I am only leaning in to make you think again about your reasoning

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 5:39pm On Jul 28, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
Well said Dtruthspeaker.
Death is the conceptual consequence of sin. It doesn't cure the actor of such sin. Thus, even if he is "acquitted"👀 by death, his life still hangs in the balance and subject to God's judgement.

I think the main point everyone seems to miss is that Sin has only one consequence..........DEATH

And I am glad you highlighted that in your opening sentence.

It therefore means that at Death, the penalty for sin is paid. The punishment for sin has been served.

However, for an unbeliever who did not accept Christ, there is no basis for retribution. He cannot gain back what he has lost because of his sin. He cannot gain back the life he paid as a consequence of his sin

For a beleiver, who beleived in Christ, even before he died, he was already bought and redeemed from Sin. So that even while he was yet alive, he was no longer under the burden of Sin. There was no penalty to be paid, because Christ had freed him from Sin. Such a person, if he dies, as will all mankind eventually, he has the hope of regaining back that life that he lost.

This was my position.....and for some reason your brother disagrees with me

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 5:40pm On Jul 28, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
You had a lot of points which I would have liked to correct but I could not, so I addressed this area so it is settled and now I can focus on this one.

And on this point, I have to invite my brother Gabrielshow24:, Emusam
to join me in clearing this your error.

First the correct word you are supposed to say is that you are serving/served your sentence (punishment) and not acquitted.

Which means you have been a rested, taken to a Court, tried and the Judge pronounced you "guilty'.

Which also means that you have been charged with a crime/sin/offences.

And if the Judge found you innocent of the charges, then he discharges and acquits you.

Therefore, an acquittal takes place before punishment and not after punishment as you wrongly think.

Meanwhile, no one has been taken to God's Court nor did God Judge their cases whether they are guilty or discharged and acquitted, before they died,

So they have not served their punishment nor paid the price for their sins.

Therefore, death is the Gods Police come to a rest people to take them to God's Court for prosecution and trial.

And that is why you see death do like black Maria and prison trucks delivering it's inmates to God's Court at the end in Revelations 19.

Abel was declared righteous.....was he not?

Abraham was declared righteous.....was he not?

If as you say, no one has been taken to God's court.....how then when they declared righteous?

Let me borrow yet another common but faulty interpretation of one of Jesus parables.

The Rich man and Lazarus.....if as you say, no one has been taken to God's court, how did the Rich man get to where he was.....and how did Lazarus get to where he is with Moses.......(mind you I am not saying these are correct interpretations. I am only leaning in to make you think again about your reasoning

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Gabrielshow24: 5:43pm On Jul 28, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Well, since he dragged you into it...

Where in the Bible does it say that.

Romans 6:7.....our bone of contention....does not support what you say

🤦🏾‍♂️is this what this is about? Let me ask you, those that are dead, what perception ability do they have to sin? 🤨

Does context not warrant that personalities not physically present do not have the burden of sin? That's why you find in the bible different instances of people wishing not to have been born!

This doesn't mean the person's actions have been absolved, it just shows that those that are "gone" do not have the propensity to sin!

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 5:47pm On Jul 28, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️is this what this is about? Let me ask you, those that are dead, what perception ability do they have to sin? 🤨

Does context not warrant that personalities not physically present do not have the burden of sin? That's why you find in the bible different instances of people wishing not to have been born!

This doesn't mean the person's actions have been absolved, it just shows that those that are "gone" do not have the propensity to sin!

Actually, i modified my answer. I realized that you probably did not have a full picture of where we were which prompted the change of my reply

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:57pm On Jul 28, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Abel was declared righteous.....was he not?

Abraham was declared righteous.....was he not?

If as you say, no one has been taken to God's court.....how then when they declared righteous?

Did you not see that it is a commentary like APC did for Tinubu's election?

They are even commentaries that were made AFTER they died.

Which means that they did not even know their judgement.

And meanwhile for you to be acquitted, YOU MUST BE PRESENT IN COURT. So, nothing here

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Let me borrow yet another common but faulty interpretation of one of Jesus parables.

The Rich man and Lazarus.....if as you say, no one has been taken to God's court, how did the Rich man get to where he was.....and how did Lazarus get to where he is with Moses.......(mind you I am not saying these are correct interpretations. I am only leaning in to make you think again about your reasoning

You have said the word; it is a Parable. Compared to citing a case eg when Jesus cited the case of Abraham John 8:40

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:19pm On Jul 28, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
I think the main point everyone seems to miss is that Sin has only one consequence..........DEATH

And I am glad you highlighted that in your opening sentence.

It therefore means that at Death, the penalty for sin is paid. The punishment for sin has been served.

Yep!

But you forget to ask Whose death?

And this is where you see that a part from Adam male and maybe Judah's sons, no one else has died God's death!

Which is proven by the fact that God calls this death we call death, "sleeping"!

Therefore, it stands to reason that no one has died yet. Alll sleep as is even written in the bible.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
However, for an unbeliever who did not accept Christ, there is no basis for retribution. He cannot gain back what he has lost because of his sin. He cannot gain back the life he paid as a consequence of his sin

For a beleiver, who beleived in Christ, even before he died, he was already bought and redeemed from Sin. So that even while he was yet alive, he was no longer under the burden of Sin. There was no penalty to be paid, because Christ had freed him from Sin. Such a person, if he dies, as will all mankind eventually, he has the hope of regaining back that life that he lost.

This was my position.....and for some reason your brother disagrees with me

You obviously do not know what believe/believer means and you think they are just the simple daily meaning that we use in accepting simple things.

Whereas, this is life and death, and unless you think that life and death is a small thing then you are making many mistakes already

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 7:53pm On Jul 28, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
Yep!

But you forget to ask Whose death?

And this is where you see that a part from Adam male and maybe Judah's sons, no one else has died God's death!

Which is proven by the fact that God calls this death we call death, "sleeping"!

Therefore, it stands to reason that no one has died yet. Alll sleep as is even written in the bible.

When Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping, and then assessed the reaction of the people, what did he say? He said "Lazarus has died."!

What did he mean when he first said Lazarus was sleeping?

Well, that quickly became evident when he proceeded to resurrect Lazarus from the dead. He called out to him "Lazarus...Come Out!" And Lazarus came out.

Clearly Jesus had a basis to say Lazarus was sleeping. Because you can rouse a person who is asleep, If a person is asleep all you need do is rouse him to awake. Here Jesus called out to a dead Lazarus as if to rouse him from a sleep, knowing full well that he had power over death.

So when the Bible refers to the viewpoint of God as seeing those "asleep in death as sleeping, it is a reference to 2 things. First, God's power over death and second, the hope that these particular ones have....the hope that they will at Go'd appointed time be called out by God, as if roused from a slumber.

Sinners who died in sin, have no such hope. Hence they cannot be under the reference of being asleep. Because for them, death was the finale.

Dtruthspeaker:
You obviously do not know what believe/believer means and you think they are just the simple daily meaning that we use in accepting simple things.

Whereas, this is life and death, and unless you think that life and death is a small thing then you are making many mistakes already

When you say OBVIOUSLY....what makes it so obvious?

You assumed my definition of a believer.

Tell me...what is your definition of a believer?

Who was the believer referred to in John 3:16? Because if you know who that believer is, there is no way you would have jumped to the assumption you just made.

Before you answer that question though, bear in mind what is containied in James 2:17. You can as well start from verse 14 for a fuller context. (Just in case you were about to make another wrong assumption.)

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by sonmvayina(m): 8:04pm On Jul 28, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
Well said Dtruthspeaker.
Death is the conceptual consequence of sin. It doesn't cure the actor of such sin. Thus, even if he is "acquitted"👀 by death, his life still hangs in the balance and subject to God's judgement.

Man is God's breath plus body made of dust. If a man experiences "death" it means God takes his breath and the body is buried.
What exactly is judged? Is it God's spirit or breath or the body that is buried. I really want to hear your explanation.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by sonmvayina(m): 8:17pm On Jul 28, 2025

First and foremost there is nothing scary about death. In fact your spirit is imprisoned in that body and only death can set it free. This knowledge and understanding will bring peace to you.
We are God's spirit dwelling within a physical body made of dust. Only death can free it from the body.
Death is only scary because no one knows when it will come. No need to fear, when you know what it is. It helps to keep your mind at rest.
In my opinion, the scariest thing is a life lived without love.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:31am On Jul 29, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
When Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping, and then assessed the reaction of the people, what did he say? He said "Lazarus has died."

What did he mean when he first said Lazarus was sleeping?

Is that not Him showing that what He calls "sleeping" is what we call death, as He still repeated again when He raised Jarius daughter?

"And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
You assumed my definition of a believer.

Tell me...what is your definition of a believer?

Who was the believer referred to in John 3:16? Because if you know who that believer is, there is no way you would have jumped to the assumption you just made.

Before you answer that question though, bear in mind what is containied in James 2:17. You can as well start from verse 14 for a fuller context. (Just in case you were about to make another wrong assumption.)

As James said did you not see what Judas and Thomas did, even though they were walking with Christ?

Or did you not see what Isreal did even though they saw God's signs and wonders?

Forgive me, like the bible, I stop here and won't spell it out for if indeed anyone wants to see, they can see. But people love not to see and love pretending as if they do not see, so I prefer to leave them as they like. Because it's funny how when it comes to God's things, they act like they don't see but meanwhile, all the way from Abuja they can spot a weak girl in Lagos whom they shall plan to devour.

So, forgive me, I don't subscribe to helping people who have eyes for they are only blind because they like the logs in their eyes.

However this quote helped me so I have no right to keep it to myself

He does not believe that does not live according to his belief. Thomas Fuller

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by EMIOMOADEOYE: 12:42pm On Jul 29, 2025

Dtruthspeaker:
Is that not Him showing that what He calls "sleeping" is what we call death, as He still repeated again when He raised Jarius daughter?

"And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.

As James said did you not see what Judas and Thomas did, even though they were walking with Christ?

Or did you not see what Isreal did even though they saw God's signs and wonders?

Forgive me, like the bible, I stop here and won't spell it out for if indeed anyone wants to see, they can see. But people love not to see and love pretending as if they do not see, so I prefer to leave them as they like. Because it's funny how when it comes to God's things, they act like they don't see but meanwhile, all the way from Abuja they can spot a weak girl in Lagos whom they shall plan to devour.

So, forgive me, I don't subscribe to helping people who have eyes for they are only blind because they like the logs in their eyes.

However this quote helped me so I have no right to keep it to myself

He does not believe that does not live according to his belief. Thomas Fuller

Judas and Israel chose not to live according to their belief. And what happened? They were rejected.

Thomas doubted. Peter betrayed Jesus. All his disciples fled. Was it because they did not believe? No. They were human. Imperfect humans. That did not make them unbelievers. Jesus could see their heart. He knew that there was yet potential for much good. And that is why he extended mercy towards them. Based on their belief, they acted accordingly in Faith.

Judas could have also benefited. But he failed to act in Faith. Peter and Judas did exactly the same thing...betray Jesus. In fact, Peter did it 3 times. Yet, Peter made a different choice. He acted in Faith and stepped up to his calling. Judas gave up and ended it, denying himself the opportunity that Jesus could have given him to make amends. Instead, Mathias took his place. That is to underscore the need for action from a believer. If you have read that book of James that I quoted earlier, it would have been very obvious. But you did not read it.

You know what your last sentence tells me?

It tells me 2 things:

that you do know who a believer is.

and that you did not read what I quoted. If you did you would have seen that it said the same thing you quoted Thomas Fuller for.

You are right with one thing, though. There is no point trying to spell out what is already obvious to someone who chooses not to see it.

I also leave the matter at this point.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:57pm On Jul 29, 2025

EMIOMOADEOYE:
Judas and Israel chose not to live according to their belief. And what happened? They were rejected.

Thomas doubted. Peter betrayed Jesus. All his disciples fled. Was it because they did not believe? No. They were human. Imperfect humans. That did not make them unbelievers. Jesus could see their heart. He knew that there was yet potential for much good.

And that is why he extended mercy towards them. Based on their belief, they acted accordingly in Faith.

Please, don't speak rubbish. If you truly understood how belief operated then you would have known that Jiudas had no chance. And you obviously did not hear God Corse him even before he sinned

So, as I said, you don't know what you say.

Then for the others which reasonable person does not understand why Thomas would doubt (which Christ then used to bless those who are not like Thomas)? Or why Petter betrayed?

They were within reasonable limits, so
mercy could be given. (And I am sure that you do not see that the word "Mercy" means discretion. Which means that there is also the possibility that you would not get mercy like Ananias and Sapphira, whose conduct was also understandable.

So anyone playing for Mercy is not a believer, for we can all see that Christ was not pleased with their actions, clearly showing anyone who truly wants to see where the good ground with God is.

Re: What's Scarier Than Death? by 247VAWULENCE: 2:33pm On Aug 24, 2025

DON'T BE SCARED OF DEATH PEOPLE FOR DEATH IS NOT THE END, WE ARE ALL GODS HAVING A EARTHLY EXPERIENCE!!!!

I HAD A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR AND I KNEW WHAT I SAW SINCE THAT DAY I HAVE ZERO FEAR FOR DEATH. DEATH IS NOT THE END I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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