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Maybe they're just mature and not subject to childish fantasies. More than that, the world is such that requires your critical reasoning to survive. Unfortunately, that tends to cover everything including critiquing your religious beliefs. And that's the thing, the moment you start asking the right questions when it comes to Abrahamic religion, you will fall into a rabbit hole where you end up with one of two conclusions:

1. God couldn't possibly exist
2. God exists but he's not as depicted in the bible. In fact he's a narcissistic psychopath.

Either way, not good for religious people.

I see the christian population in Nigeria falling sharply with each generation. It usually starts with lower church attendance. Just like you see in the West. Then fringe groups like Atheist and Agnostic communities will keep growing until they become a dominant demography

gohf:
the world innovates from what exists and by us accepting what exists. If you don't accept that there is sand and there are rocks and ask questions based on that acceptance to learn but instead question it, how do you learn how to use it or innovate something like cement or concrete.

Look bro our predecessors would not have gotten anywhere if all they did was question everything without learning anything

How many things have you Nigerians built. You use things built by scientists and then reason on the basis of faith. Ridiculous

gohf:
so is it the fault of the children the generation or the one before it, their parents, elders and leaders?

When a culture says it's wrong to beat a child, whose fault is it now, is it still the parents fault? Because they agreed to spoil their children.

Most of us wouldn't even support discipline to children and yet we complain about their behavior, like we expect children to train themselves some how or magically become good, we believe they are good, expect them to be good but do little to help and make them good.

Even church discipline is being side track, it's too harsh, many don't even believe God disciplines it's only God does good and pleases us.

Whose fault is it, truly, whose fault is it

Except you are just looking for arguments or engagements , if you read what i wrote slowly it is explanatory and answers your questions you are asking

Christianity has no future.

folake4u:
Yes, I am much better now, thanks for asking.

Bro!!!! It is good to be strong willed/stubborn (whatever they call it), it is my strong head that has brought me far today in my life/career.

Parents will always talk but when they see that you have carved a path for yourself, they will ALWAYS give you respect (either they say it in your front or behind you).

I didn't allow my parents' church dictate whatever they wanted for me, funny enough, the Pastor recently called for reconciliation talks after how many years. LOL.🤣 My Mum even gisted me yesterday that the Pastor's wife said she sends her regards to me.

If you allow a religious ruler to dictate what is right or wrong to you, then there's a problem.

It's for this same reason, I cannot marry an overly religious man, not even a pastor.

PS: I believe that God exists actually.

I love that you survived and even come better. Yes, they will surely give you the deserved respect when you Forged you path and succeeded in it. Kudos to you. I believe God exist too but my concept of God is NATURE, our CONSCIENCE, our CONSCIOUSNESS, our ENERGY...we are all atoms, we shall dissolve someday.

TempUser:
Apt! However, some people are still wading in the mud and won't understand this point. They'd rather go on pilgrimage with nothing to show for it than titles that are not beneficial, while enriching the pilgrim nations. Its quite an eyesore! Let the whole world come to visit our tourist attractions in cover of religion and see how our streets would be made with gold, too!

Gbamsolutely💯✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

Sicklebear28:
do you know how many schools I have taught? I have taught over ten thousand students in different schools for the past fifteen years. I'm not even a millennial generation.

Okay sicklebear28. Your experience is impressive but I believe you can now acknowledge where you went wrong if you are older than the millennials. It doesn't take anything from you, it's an anonymous forum but mature adults can trade experiences and move on 👌

Lucifyre:
And no evil in xtainity, like there are isn't human rituals & scarifice, cultic rituals, genocide, infanticide, incest, sexual assualt, rape, blood and death magic. Pot meet kettle.

and if I ASK U for evidence of above in christianity, wahala go dey and that's when waffling will start

CaseSensitive:
Christianity and Africa in the same sentence is funny. Africa and Africans shouldn't have any business with Christianity. You want to tell me that a European translation of a Middle-Eastern man is my God? Common. I mean you may have been able to fool my parents, grandparents or maybe great grandparents even.

But hypocrisy of organised religion stops with me. It's a tool of control, nothing less than that. Organised religion shapes how you think and that thing is dangerous because it keeps your mind in a prison. We have our religions in Africa before the invasion and it ain't Christianity.

British missionaries came first with the bible, then British armies followed with the guns.

Know your truth as an African.

And no, I'm not Gen Z - You don't have to be in a particular age group to use your brain. I live in the country of the people who introduced Christianity to Nigerians. Less than 7% of them attend churches and less than 50% even identify as a Christian, so it's me - an African man that should be devoted to Christianity, shouting Hallelujah and praying to Jesus Christ? Nope.

The Gospel was already established in Africa b4 it got to Britain.
Christianity predate any British indoctrination or misuse of the bible U alluding to.
There were 4 African kingdoms who embraced Christianity as their national religion as far back as 300 AD, this was b4 britian knew anything about jesus or the bible.
Kingdom of Aksum in modern day Ethiopia, kingdoms of Alodia, Makuria and Nobartia in modern day Sudan were Christian nations as far back as 4th century AD.
These were people of ancient Nubians regarded as black with darker skin tone than yours.

So this idea that Britain brought Christianity to Africa is nothing but outright ignorance.

Father Athanasius, and father Augustine who championed the Nicene creed were African berbers. Father Tertullian the first person to coin the word Trinity was also an African amazigh.

Father Origen who played a major role in choosing the new testament books to be canonised was Coptic xtian from Africa.

Britian on the other hand contributed nothing in the development of Christianity or it's core doctrines except translation of the bible to English KJV which has now become inconsequential due to so many errors in it.
They simply handed it to others the same way it was delivered to them.

U guys will come here and start shouting Africans should know their history but it's so obvious u should be the one learning your root and understanding the role of ancient Africa in the development and advancement of Christianity.

Finally the so called corruption of the people is just the newest route to justify rebellion against God, nothing more.
Despite the noise about unreliability of the gospel books, nobody has been able to produce the reliable copy of the gospel.
All the extant manuscripts we keep discovering everyday continues to point towards the preservation of the core Christian belief.
No extant manuscripts says Jesus is not the saviour or he is not crucified or not the son of God...none.

U guys continued to be misled and misguided by bible scholars into believing the unsubstantiated claim of bible unreliability BUT let me show U what 2 great new testament scholars have to say about the gospel- Bart ehrman and Bruce Metzger.

“Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times, and I dedicated the book to him because he was both my inspiration for going into textual criticism and the person who trained me in the field. I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. And even though we may disagree on important religious questions – he is a firmly committed Christian and I am not – we are in complete agreement on a number of very important historical and textual questions. If he and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement – maybe one or two dozen places out of many thousands. The position I argue for in ‘Misquoting Jesus’ does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.”

Bart Ehrman (Misquoting Jesus, p. 252)

blueghost:
Except you are just looking for arguments or engagements , if you read what i wrote slowly it is explanatory and answers your questions you are asking

"God told moses in the bible to teach your children the law bind it on your door post and wrist but unfortunately we are on steep decline."

"Most children are on the fast lane and feel they know it all, they won't even blink to disrespect and elder when corrected."

Where is your self explanatory answer to whose fault is it?
Don't bother replying

tobstarizhia:
How many things have you Nigerians built. You use things built by scientists and then reason on the basis of faith. Ridiculous

how are you not a Nigerian claiming to know about Nigerians? Are you being pretentious now

plessis:
Why was the bible God constantly demanding animal and human sacrifice?

you are asking God or who ?confusion says hi

papyjaypaul:
Okay sicklebear28. Your experience is impressive but I believe you can now acknowledge where you went wrong if you are older than the millennials. It doesn't take anything from you, it's an anonymous forum but mature adults can trade experiences and move on 👌

Where did I go wrong. My vast knowledge about inter-students relationship is what I am pointing out to you . I can't make that statement without having indepth of what is happening with our young generation. Do you know some of my students are married with family. I have a student who is already having a PhD.

cyberbro:
Evil is embedded in it. Yea.

Your traditional religion is why human rituals, witchcraft and dark magic is everywhere. Idol worship is not "traditional" to mankind, it is a pollution to human existence.

Dining with demonic spirits isn't our way, humanity got lost in them. Christ is the only way, know this and know peace! ✌🏽

Ignorance at it's peak....How is evil embedded in it?.
Human sacrifices, Witchcraft and all is individual choices and have nothing to do with traditional religion....you think idol worship is not traditional to mankind because someone told you so or what are ur reasons?.

Demonic spirits are what individuals chose to attract or dine with at their own free will....it has nothing to do with the religion they belong to.... I've seen them in all religion same way I've seen good people in almost all religion.

"Christ" is the only way to what(be specific).

SIRTee15:
The Gospel was already established in Africa b4 it got to Britain.
Christianity predate any British indoctrination or misuse of the bible U alluding to.
There were 4 African kingdoms who embraced Christianity as their national religion as far back as 300 AD, this was b4 britian knew anything about jesus or the bible.
Kingdom of Aksum in modern day Ethiopia, kingdoms of Alodia, Makuria and Nobartia in modern day Sudan were Christian nations as far back as 4th century AD.
These were people of ancient Nubians regarded as black with darker skin tone than yours.

So this idea that Britain brought Christianity to Africa is nothing but outright ignorance.

Father Athanasius, and father Augustine who championed the Nicene creed were African berbers. Father Tertullian the first person to coin the word Trinity was also an African amazigh.

Father Origen who played a major role in choosing the new testament books to be canonised was Coptic xtian from Africa.

Britian on the other hand contributed nothing in the development of Christianity or it's core doctrines except translation of the bible to English KJV which has now become inconsequential due to so many errors in it.
They simply handed it to others the same way it was delivered to them.

U guys will come here and start shouting Africans should know their history but it's so obvious u should be the one learning your root and understanding the role of ancient Africa in the development and advancement of Christianity.

Finally the so called corruption of the people is just the newest route to justify rebellion against God, nothing more.
Despite the noise about unreliability of the gospel books, nobody has been able to produce the reliable copy of the gospel.
All the extant manuscripts we keep discovering everyday continues to point towards the preservation of the core Christian belief.
No extant manuscripts says Jesus is not the saviour or he is not crucified or not the son of God...none.

U guys continued to be misled and misguided by bible scholars into believing the unsubstantiated claim of bible unreliability BUT let me show U what 2 great new testament scholars have to say about the gospel- Bart ehrman and Bruce Metzger.

“Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times, and I dedicated the book to him because he was both my inspiration for going into textual criticism and the person who trained me in the field. I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. And even though we may disagree on important religious questions – he is a firmly committed Christian and I am not – we are in complete agreement on a number of very important historical and textual questions. If he and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement – maybe one or two dozen places out of many thousands. The position I argue for in ‘Misquoting Jesus’ does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.”

Bart Ehrman (Misquoting Jesus, p. 252)

I don’t deny the existence of early Christianity in Africa particularly in Aksum, Nubia, and among North African theologians like Tertullian, Athanasius, Origen, and Augustine. These are facts, and I acknowledge that African scholars played a key role in early Christian doctrine. In fact the original Ethiopian Bible is said to be the one of the oldest and most complete bible, and they were the earlier adopter of Christianity after the times of Tertulian and co. But neither the North African theologians nor Ethiopians spread Christianity to Sub-sahara Africa. I think you should take note of that fact.

Anyways, my critique isn’t aimed at the original spread of Christianity in Africa centuries ago, but rather the version and purpose of Christianity that was reintroduced to sub-Saharan Africa during the colonial era which is the context most Africans today are familiar with. Agree? As a matter of fact, I’m a Yoruba man, and when I talk about Africa which undoubtedly has very diverse tribes with their own culture, traditions and centuries-held belief systems. My culture, traditions and belief system as a Sub-Sahara African would have been, and still currently very different to that of the early North-African guys you quoted who championed the Nicene creed. As you rightly said, they were Berbers. Stop alluding to “Africa” in an homogeneous context.

When British missionaries came with the Bible in one hand and colonial administrators with guns and conquest in the other, religion was deeply entwined with political domination, cultural erasure, and psychological control. That’s a historical reality too, and it cannot be brushed aside by pointing to early Christian influence in North Africa or Ethiopia.

This isn’t a rebellion against God, as you’ve implied. It’s a critique of how religion especially organised, state-aligned religion, was weaponised to undermine African identity, values, and systems. The version of Christianity that many Africans inherited was filtered through colonial worldviews, including ideas of European superiority and African inferiority.

You said “Despite the noise about unreliability of the gospel books, nobody has been able to produce the reliable copy of the gospel.” Do you know why? Majority of them were deliberately suppressed and destroyed due to political, theological, and ideological purposes. Though some were lost because of the fragility of the materials they were written on. The early catholics destroyed a lot of them, the Roman Empire destroyed some, the Council of Nicaea destroyed some. The KJV version you lots are carrying around today is a heavily edited, heavily redacted, watered down version. Do you wonder why?

Also, quoting Bart Ehrman is interesting, I think he’s a respected scholar who indeed affirms the relative consistency of core New Testament doctrines, but he’s also explicitly critical of the historical reliability of how the New Testament evolved. His work raises valid questions about how church politics and human editing shaped scripture over centuries which is exactly my point.

To be clear: my issue is not with individuals who have faith in Christ, that’s their choice. My issue is with the assumption that African spirituality must submit to or be validated through a foreign framework because despite the spread of Christianity to Africa (North Africa actually) in the days of Tertulian etc, Ethiopia later and sub Sahara Africa afterwards through colonisation, it still doesn’t negate the fact that Christianity is foreign to Africa. Africa had rich spiritual systems long before Christianity or Islam, and many were forcibly suppressed or demonised.

So when I say Africans need to know their truth, I mean that we should explore our pre-colonial spiritual history as seriously as others defend Christian theology. Understanding ancient African Christianity is important but so is understanding how European powers used religion to colonise, subjugate, and reshape the African mind. So when you say “U guys will come here shouting Africans should know their history”, maybe you should take your own advice. Quoting ancient African theologians doesn’t erase what happened during the scramble for Africa, when Bibles and bayonets worked hand in hand. Missionaries softened the ground, and colonial administrations took the land.

Regardless, I can acknowledge both truths, I’m not a black or white kind of person. I see meanings in grey lines with all the shades within it and I believe two truths can co-exists but let’s not pretend the Christianity most Africans know today was passed down from Tertullian or Augustine from ancient Africa. It came through colonial infrastructure, missionary schooling, and imperial agenda, often at the expense of African self-determination.

Mattswaggz:
Ignorance at it's peak....How is evil embedded in it?.
Human sacrifices, Witchcraft and all is individual choices and have nothing to do with traditional religion....you think idol worship is not traditional to mankind because someone told you so or what are ur reasons?.

Demonic spirits are what individuals chose to attract or dine with at their own free will....it has nothing to do with the religion they belong to.... I've seen them in all religion same way I've seen good people in almost all religion.

"Christ" is the only way to what(be specific).

Keep blabbing...

cyberbro:
Keep blabbing...

Keep spreading lies and deceit....we know your kind.

Y'all have no good intentions towards humanity instead y'all just want to increase ur cult membership. .

erico2k2:
Exactly, Religion is personal, no need to use it to disturb others, in fact one should be basking in the Glory of God so much people should be forced to come to ask you what's your secrete and you tell them. The vast majority of Christians in Nigeria are a lost sheep, follow follow

hence the bible says let your light so shine that men may see your good works and glorify your father in heaven. No be by poking paper tracts on my face inviting me to your church or mosque

Let me see your light shining through the darkness and madness of the world that men will be forced to glorify and honour his name

Mattswaggz:
Keep spreading lies and deceit....we know your kind.

Y'all have no good intentions towards humanity instead y'all just want to increase ur cult membership. .

Christ is King 👑

cyberbro:
Christ is King 👑

Of course you're allowed to have an opinion. .

Sicklebear28:
Where did I go wrong. My vast knowledge about inter-students relationship is what I am pointing out to you . I can't make that statement without having indepth of what is happening with our young generation. Do you know some of my students are married with family. I have a student who is already having a PhD.

Gen Z too like 4k 4k

SIRTee15:
and if I ASK U for evidence of above in christianity, wahala go dey and that's when waffling will start

Ah, the ringmaster returns 🤡. Should I hand you the makeup, or are we still pretending Leviticus is poetry?
Happy to oblige though. You really want evidence? From the same book where the deity floods the Earth, collects foreskins like trophies, and turns women into war spoils — before sacrificing himself to himself?
You sure you wanna crack that book open, or should I grab the paint kit while we prep for the metaphor gymnastics?

Lucifyre:
Ah, the ringmaster returns 🤡. Should I hand you the makeup, or are we still pretending Leviticus is poetry?
Happy to oblige though. You really want evidence? From the same book where the deity floods the Earth, collects foreskins like trophies, and turns women into war spoils — before sacrificing himself to himself?
You sure you wanna crack that book open, or should I grab the paint kit while we prep for the metaphor gymnastics?

Let me test your intelligence outside the scripture.

So u think male circumcision is a bad thing?
Why would u associate male circumcision with evil unless u consider it a bad thing.
Is foreskin removal evil?

Do U think Abraham was the first person to circumcise in history?
Were people cutting off their foreskin b4 the onset of Abraham and his encounter with the deity called YHVH?

Dtruthspeaker:
Still the same gen z

african Gen z

SIRTee15:
Let me test your intelligence outside the scripture.

So u think male circumcision is a bad thing?
Why would u associate male circumcision with evil unless u consider it a bad thing.
Is foreskin removal evil?

Do U think Abraham was the first person to circumcise in history?
Were people cutting off their foreskin b4 the onset of Abraham and his encounter with the deity called YHVH?

Intelligence and scripture? Ha! If we had followed any so called intelligence from scripture, we'd still be stuck in the Stone Age. And yes yes, your classic tangent dodge did not go unnoticed. You completely sidestepped the evidence request and went off into a rant about circumcision. Typical. But fine, let me humor your tangent.

So your "omniscient" god "intelligently designed" everything including man and declared it all "very good". That includes the foreskin, right? He designed it, called it good, then suddenly got pissed about... the foreskin he supposedly designed? So pissed, in fact, that he was ready to unalive someone for not cutting it off? Make it make sense, abeg. 😂

This confused nature of your so called omniscient Yhwh is actually typical. Claims to hate sin and bans incest, yet starts off by creating only two people and tells them to multiply — how exactly was that supposed to happen without incest? Then, he wipes out almost all living things - for using the "free will" he gave man - then populates earth again using incest. All this, when he could’ve simply created more people to avoid using the very thing he supposedly hates. Let’s not even get started on Balaam’s story same bizarre logic.

And you brought up intelligence near scripture? 😄 Anyways, back to the real point, are you still going to claim there’s no evidence for everything I said earlier? Because ironically, the evidence is like legion—it is many. Or are you about to do your usual hit & run?

Lucifyre:
Intelligence and scripture? Ha! If we had followed any so called intelligence from scripture, we'd still be stuck in the Stone Age. And yes yes, your classic tangent dodge did not go unnoticed. You completely sidestepped the evidence request and went off into a rant about circumcision. Typical. But fine, let me humor your tangent.



So your "omniscient" god "intelligently designed" everything including man and declared it all "very good". That includes the foreskin, right? He designed it, called it good, then suddenly got pissed about... the foreskin he supposedly designed? So pissed, in fact, that he was ready to unalive someone for not cutting it off? Make it make sense, abeg. 😂

If U had answered my question, u won't be asking this inconsequential questions in the first place.
Is circumcision evil? If it's evil, why did God allow it.
Same reason will lead to the question why God asked women on their period not to come to his presence in the temple. Is menstruation evil?

Your analogy of God's perfect creation and getting pissed is flawed and makes no sense.

God created rain as perfect but yet causes flooding
God created fire as a good thing but can also cause widespread destruction.
What about our nail and hair, why do we cut them all the time? Shouldn't we just let them be and allow it overgrow since God created them perfectly?
Guy use your sense.

Everything God created has a perfect function, however when sin entered the world it got corrupted.

Foreskin was meant to protect against STI and UTI. It's also meant to be a protective cover for the penis until the later reaches full maturity.
Unfortunately, since it harbours micro organism (which is a corruption) it put the genitals at risk of balanitis, UTI, phimosis, and other non infectious problems like lichen sclerosis, paraphimosis etc

This is the reason ancient civilization pre Abraham advocated for the removal of the foreskin to promote personal hygiene.
When Abraham's mind became preoccupied with helping God fulfil his covenant, God kept him busy by telling him to engage in this healthy habit.

God's covenant with humanity has always been the heart and not the flesh.

Deuteronomy 30
6 “Moreover, the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the hearts of your [a]descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live.

Deuteronomy 10
15 Yet the Lord set his heart in love on your fathers and chose their offspring after them, you above all peoples, as you are this day. 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.

Lucifyre:
This confused nature of your so called omniscient Yhwh is actually typical. Claims to hate sin and bans incest, yet starts off by creating only two people and tells them to multiply — how exactly was that supposed to happen without incest?

Here is your answer....
Genesis 4
13[i] Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
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When we say we are from Adam, we do not mean direct descendants but the whole world inherited the adamic nature which is the carnal flesh.

Moreover God instituted incest as a moral law in order to diversify the gene pool and reduce increased incidence of genetic disease.
Genetic pool was very limited in the beginning thus any form of multiplication is a genetic diversification and variance, without risk of genetic mutation.

Lucifyre:
Then, he wipes out almost all living things - for using the "free will" he gave man - then populates earth again using incest. All this, when he could’ve simply created more people to avoid using the very thing he supposedly hates. Let’s not even get started on Balaam’s story same bizarre logic.

U don't understand the concept of freewill to begin with. And I dont understand how story of balaam came into the picture.
And if u think because u have freewill, U will not bear the consequences of your actions, then I guess u are lost.
Freewill is not the same as carefree. There's a reason God gave us a spirit.

Lucifyre:
And you brought up intelligence near scripture? 😄 Anyways, back to the real point, are you still going to claim there’s no evidence for everything I said earlier? Because ironically, the evidence is like legion—it is many. Or are you about to do your usual hit & run?

There's no book that test your intellectual capacity as the bible. It's an evidence based book not blind faith.

Now as u can see, I answer your questions.
I expect U to answer mine next time otherwise I will ignore U.

It's a very bad habit for someone to ask a question and then ignore it by waffling and bringing up irrelevance.

How will U learn and realise what U believe is wrong if U don't vomit it out!!!!

SIRTee15:
Everything God created has a perfect function, however when sin entered the world it got corrupted.

Foreskin was meant to protect against STI and UTI. It's also meant to be a protective cover for the penis until the later reaches full maturity.
Unfortunately, since it harbours micro organism (which is a corruption) it put the genitals at risk of balanitis, UTI, phimosis, and other non infectious problems like lichen sclerosis, paraphimosis etc

Oh, the irony. You guys just can’t seem to do without it, hilarious? 🧇 How’s that waffle tasting?(I love waffles, they tatse great) I actually read through the post, and the funniest part is how you basically reinforced my point at every turn. The bolded part especially — didn’t know the foreskin was supposed to be a god engineered “natural condom.”

So let’s get this straight: in your “perfect” creation, god deliberately designed organisms that cause infections — called them “very good” — then created the foreskin to shield against the very things he made. Then sin comes along and suddenly perfectly created microbes — which apparently couldn’t survive there before — gain new abilities, move in under the foreskin, and ruin the plan. And the divine fix? Cut it off, leaving everything exposed to the very infections he supposedly designed it to protect from. Genius.

Even better, actual research shows the opposite of what you’re implying — uncircumcised men have higher rates of STDs and UTIs. So if the foreskin really was god’s protective masterpiece, it’s doing a pretty lousy job and confusing your “omniscient” god at every step. As for the incest bit and the rest of the waffle, I’ll skip following you down that tangent — no need to join you in the comedy club of the circus. I’m only here as a makeup artist.

You quoted me for a reason, right? So why consistently dodge the reason you quoted me? Yes or no should be easy. 😏 Anyways, back to my actual point: are you still claiming there’s no evidence for everything I said in my OP? The makeup’s coming on either way. If you dodge (classic hit-and-run), makeup. If you say “yes,” I bring the receipts — makeup. If you say “no,” you played yourself — makeup. Choose your poison. Tick-tock, makeup designer for 🤡’s awaits.

Lucifyre:
Oh, the irony. You guys just can’t seem to do without it, hilarious? 🧇 How’s that waffle tasting?(I love waffles, they tatse great) I actually read through the post, and the funniest part is how you basically reinforced my point at every turn. The bolded part especially — didn’t know the foreskin was supposed to be a god engineered “natural condom.”

So let’s get this straight: in your “perfect” creation, god deliberately designed organisms that cause infections — called them “very good” — then created the foreskin to shield against the very things he made.

Your ignorance is oozing. This one thinks all micro organism are harmful.
Ever heard of commensals, normal flora and symbiotic relationships, have u ever wondered how fermentation occur?

Next time don't skip biology class.

I repeat, everything God created is good including microbes. Corruption made it evil!!!

Lucifyre:
Then sin comes along and suddenly perfectly created microbes — which apparently couldn’t survive there before — gain new abilities, move in under the foreskin, and ruin the plan. And the divine fix? Cut it off, leaving everything exposed to the very infections he supposedly designed it to protect from. Genius.

How's that God's fault? I gave u a brand new car with warranty. U fail to service it and eventually caused an accident. Then u turn around to blame me for gifting u a car.
Pls help me to make sense of it because that was exactly what Adam did.
Blame God after messing up what he gave u.

Lucifyre:
Even better, actual research shows the opposite of what you’re implying — uncircumcised men have higher rates of STDs and UTIs. So if the foreskin really was god’s protective masterpiece, it’s doing a pretty lousy job and confusing your “omniscient” god at every step.

It's obvious u have a comprehension problem. I said God created foreskin for a perfect function. Unfortunately it got corrupted and then started causing problems that I listed...phimosis, UTI, STI etc. This prompted the need for circumcision to prevent this harm.
Personal hygiene was poor in those days, people struggled to keep their foreskin healthy and was causing lots of problems for men.
God instituted circumcision to promote personal hygiene.
Men who are circumcised are less prone to those disease than uncircumcised men. That's my point.

If u are from southern Nigeria, I can bet u never heard of paraphimosis or balanitis in your life. 99% of Nigerian doctors have never seen or treated these cases of foreskin problems because we circumcise.

That's my whole point u didn't understand only for u to bring evidence that assert my position.
OLODO.

Lucifyre:
As for the incest bit and the rest of the waffle, I’ll skip following you down that tangent — no need to join you in the comedy club of the circus. I’m only here as a makeup artist.

Guy rest. U cannot bring up evidence of any incest in that passage. Incest is only in your head.
U don't have any evidence anywhere that Cain married his sister or blood relatives. That's what I was trying to show u.
Besides, Incest cannot be applied in the beginning because genetic pool was too limited for any diseased genetic mutation to occur. Any genetic mutation at that time is a variance and not a risk.

At creation, human were genetically perfect without the accumulation mutations that cause birth defect we have today.
Because of this, close relative marriage in early human history would not have carried the same genetic risk they do now.

That's my argument I want u deal with. These are facts not waffling.

Lucifyre:
You quoted me for a reason, right? So why consistently dodge the reason you quoted me? Yes or no should be easy. 😏 Anyways, back to my actual point: are you still claiming there’s no evidence for everything I said in my OP? The makeup’s coming on either way. If you dodge (classic hit-and-run), makeup. If you say “yes,” I bring the receipts — makeup. If you say “no,” you played yourself — makeup. Choose your poison. Tick-tock, makeup designer for 🤡’s awaits.

We are dealing with incest and circumcision now. when we done we can move to other issues U raised.

adamkkk:
There was this philosopher that wrote on his book that even if religion is fake(which he doesn't believe to be fake though) he feels it serves a good purpose because it gives hope to the hopeless and cure the people of the fear of what lies beyond...(I used my own words to explain this).

I read the book more than 10yrs ago, i can't remember the writer's name. I have searched for that book online so many times

Copy this your post on Chatgpt and ask it to find the author and book for you.