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AngelahFlo:
I didn't curse
I'm just sad and hurt that someone who should know more should be so...ignorant. now to your question.
Genesis 18:20-21 isn't a proof of God's limited knowledge. To say that God must have been limited in knowledge and presence that He had to go and see for himself if the sins of those cities are grievous is a fallacy from the pit of hell. How can the most high God who can do all things
See all things and is everywhere be limited? That you can't find the words in the Bible doesn't imply that God isn't what He is?

MaxInDHouse:
Why not QUOTE out those two verses in your own copy of the Bible then explain whatever you feel about God's own utterances?

AngelahFlo:
I won't quote what I know to be wrong

MaxInDHouse:
There is no where God claim to be any of these (especially Omniscient - in this case)

What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say.

The Bible God told us that He knows the end right from the beginning {Revelations 21:6}

this led many to conclude that God is Omniscient

but then they failed to note what He said in the Bible book of Genesis Chapters 18 & 21

This verse proved that the Bible God is not Omniscient nor Omnipresent

And if He is Omnipresent there is no need going to ascertain what they told Him.

Now how do we reconcile Revelations 21:6 with Genesis 18:20-21?

To reconcile these verses we need more than just reading but studying and the help of God's Holy Spirit to unravel the sacred secret.

The truth is that God can see everything and can KNOW EVERYTHING (capitalize by me)

Well God sent some angels throughout the earth whose wings are full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones serving as God's eyes {2Chronicles 16:9} they are the ones reporting to Him what humans are doing to one another on this planet! Genesis 18:20-21

AngelahFlo:
Know why I won't accept Marduk as a creator God to be the same as the creator God who made the heavens and the earth is because Marduk is an heathen god. The others are simply an interpretation of who The Creator God is to this people. The Babylonians are no more because of their heathen nature and them not recognizing God as the Supreme being. The moment we begin to equate these heathen gods as the Creator God, we miss the point entirely. The Creator Gid is one God in a class by Himself unlike the creator god of the Babylonians who is one of a pantheon of gods this ancient people served. The same with Ra.
Eledumare and Hashim on the other hand, are one and the same with the Creator God. It's just an interpretation. We are both right up to the point where we don't try to add the Creator God who exist in a class by Himself, to other gods even though they all do similar things. I hope you understand my own line of thought. If accept your idea to be true then it means Sango, Ogun, Amadioha and Zeus are the same as the Creator God only with different manifestations which ain't true. There are many sides to the Creator God but that doesn't mean He's one of these.

AngelahFlo:
I won't quote what I know to be wrong
To do that will be sinking to your level of reasoning. I gave you some instances another brother gave you scriptures backing my claim on the Unlimited nature of God and you said he's writing epistles. I don't have anything to say again. Even the scripture you're quoting is not a proof of God's limitedNess and even IF IT IS It's just one "scripture against many of rhe ones that supports God's Omni attributes. Guy you really shock me!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote those three words i'm not interested in epistles without those words.
Thanks in advance!

Emusan:
The most funny thing about you is this pride in ignorance of you. This is the question you asked by yourself.After you asked the above question, you boldly said what God says in the the BIBLE which happened to be that "God knows the end from the beginning"
Omniscient simply means KNOWS ALL THINGS - (knows from end to beginning)? If you're not the confusionist here God knowing the end from the beginning means what? You claimed they FAILED but you don't address what it means to "KNOW THE END FROM THE BEGINNING" According to Rev 21:6, what does it mean that God knows the end from the beginning? Here you admitted that God HIMSELF went down to Sodomy and Gomarah. Well, that's a point for another day. But you never reconcile the two verses rather you jumped around and play your usual hide and seek game. See perambulation instead of reconciling the two verses he is bringing MORE VERSES After all your ramble ramble and how people became Atheist and Agnostic because they were deceived with the word Omniscient and how God isn't OMNISCIENT. You finally agreed with them that God is actually OMNISCIENT, though trying to play smart by using "CAN" The scripture claimed GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS and Omniscient means KNOWING ALL THINGS. Back to this question from you "What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say."
Even though, you never addressed the OP but just play words around as usual one thing I can pick from this is that, after God got all the reports, God HIMSELF have to go down and confirm the report, is that right?

tctrills:
Don't you see the foolishness in asking me to quote those 3 words. There is something in English called Synonyms. There are words with the same meaning and synonymous expressions; these are phrases with the same meaning. Hope you have learnt something today.

Emusan:
Had it been you pay attention to his first post, you could have caught him pants down.

He quoted Rev 21:6 which says "God knows the end from the beginning"

After this he affirmed in the same post by saying "The truth is that God can see everything and can KNOW EVERYTHING (capitalize by me)"

After reading this from the same person who is claiming that GOD ISN'T OMNISCIENT. You should have asked him, what is the meaning of OMNISCIENT?

He claimed the word OMNISCIENT was never found in Bible but the same Bible says GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Simply ask him what is the meaning of OMNISCIENT and see how he will be dancing around.

AngelahFlo:
Thanks my Bro. I'll pull that out. It's just that with people like that is they are fixated on their preconceived ideas

MaxInDHouse:
So the Bible (God's word) is wrong while you (human) is right, shey? Romans 3:4

AngelahFlo:
OK what is the meaning of Omniscient? If according to Rev 21:6 God knows the end from the beginning.
What is your definition of Omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
The fact that no Bible translation used any of those three even though they are students of the Bible and have done lots of research shows something is wrong in using those terms.
God can see and be anywhere when He choose to but the fact remains that as creatures given freewill Adam and Eve have both agreed to alienate themselves from God and it means a lot to Him so it's only when their descendants decides to be close to God that He too will be close to them {James 4:8} as for those whose heart are complete towards God He is closer to them than they can imagine {2 Chronicles 16:9} but those who aren't His worshipers it's His angels that are moving throughout the earth to report back to Him what they are doing that's why He uttered what we are reading in Genesis 18:20-21.
Out of all those dwelling on planet earth in the days of Abraham the patriarch proved to be outstanding and loyal that is why God chose him as His friend but it was when this man chose to sacrifice His only son that God knew how much Abraham cherish their relationship.
For your information the idea to sacrifice Isaac doesn't come from God as it was revealed to James because God doesn't test anyone with evil things {James 1:13} Satan must have been the one accusing Abraham before God that the patriarch was loyal because God has given him what he wanted! Revelations 12:10 compare to Job 1:9-11
So that statement God uttered is like a response to Satan {Proverbs 27:11} that Abraham is a worthy friend! James 2:23

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
What i'm telling you is not to use adjectives that neither Bible writers nor translators use for God because it will lead to confusion.
God can see everything and can be everywhere if He chooses to but for now He restricted Himself for a reason so if you say God is Omniscient then you have to contend with inquisitors who will ask you why God created Satan when He knew that Satan will cause confusion in the garden of Eden.
If you say God is Omnipresent then you have to contend with inquisitors who will ask you why God didn't stop Cain from killing Abel and so on.
That's why the Bible says don't add nor subtract from what you found in God's word to know how to answer each person you need accurate knowledge of God's word!

AngelahFlo:
You see all those points you just made are to what purpose? To prove that the Omni attributes of God are false or what? God is Sovereign. He created the devil as a perfect angel which he was until he chose to rebel and became who he is today.
God who created Cain and Abel who later murdered his brother acted his intent based on his choices. Gof gave Man the ability to exhibit the power of choice which is the bone of contention here. These pas sages simply reflect His Sovereignty it doesn't negate His Omni attributes. I know next you'll be saying why didn't God stop Adam from eating the forbidden fruit that led to the fall of mankind. God knows everything
Has power over everything
He's ever present yet He gave his creation the power of choice.

MaxInDHouse:
That doesn't mean Omniscient first of all you need to know the context of what God is saying before you can understand what He meant by knowing the end from the beginning.
The theme of God's word (Bible) is "God's Kingdom" in simple English "God's Government"
Satan challenged God's sovereignty in the garden of Eden claiming humans can rule themselves successfully without God's guidance and God who created us knew that humans weren't created to rule over themselves {Jeremiah 10:23} so from the beginning of that accusation God knew what will end it because humans will continue to rule over their fellow humans dominating them while their subjects are suffering! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

That's what God meant in that verse!

tctrills:
Again, you will do well to understand synonymous expressions or equivalent phrases. Please do allow yourself to get confused by the use and interchangeability of words. We learn every day, so let's not hold this against you. Thanks for your time!

AngelahFlo:
And this is your proof that God isn't Omniscient?
That God is limited to the knowledge of a said accusation and responded based on that?
Hmm
Now I see how confused you really are?
Now how do you explain where God refers to Himself as the Alpha and the Omega?
What does that prove
That God isn't Omnipresent as well?
Chai!!!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK i'm not interested in arguments.
Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
Bible writers and translators never used any of those adjectives but if you choose to use them for God no wahala we know why we don't use it because we preach and teach different kinds of people who do ask thought provoking questions in the ministry!

AngelahFlo:
And this is your proof that God isn't Omniscient?
That God is limited to the knowledge of a said accusation and responded based on that?
Hmm
Now I see how confused you really are?
Now how do you explain where God refers to Himself as the Alpha and the Omega?
What does that prove
That God isn't Omnipresent as well?
Chai!!!

MaxInDHouse:
The fact that no Bible translation used any of those three even though they are students of the Bible and have done lots of research shows something is wrong in using those terms.

God can see and be anywhere when He choose to

but the fact remains that as creatures given freewill Adam and Eve have both agreed to alienate themselves from God and it means a lot to Him so it's only when their descendants decides to be close to God that He too will be close to them {James 4:8} as for those whose heart are complete towards God He is closer to them than they can imagine {2 Chronicles 16:9} but those who aren't His worshipers it's His angels that are moving throughout the earth to report back to Him what they are doing that's why He uttered what we are reading in Genesis 18:20-21.
Out of all those dwelling on planet earth in the days of Abraham the patriarch proved to be outstanding and loyal that is why God chose him as His friend but it was when this man chose to sacrifice His only son that God knew how much Abraham cherish their relationship.
For your information the idea to sacrifice Isaac doesn't come from God as it was revealed to James because God doesn't test anyone with evil things {James 1:13} Satan must have been the one accusing Abraham before God that the patriarch was loyal because God has given him what he wanted! Revelations 12:10 compare to Job 1:9-11
So that statement God uttered is like a response to Satan {Proverbs 27:11} that Abraham is a worthy friend! James 2:23

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
That doesn't mean Omniscient first of all you need to know the context of what God is saying before you can understand what He meant by knowing the end from the beginning.
The theme of God's word (Bible) is "God's Kingdom" in simple English "God's Government"
Satan challenged God's sovereignty in the garden of Eden claiming humans can rule themselves successfully without God's guidance and God who created us knew that humans weren't created to rule over themselves {Jeremiah 10:23} so from the beginning of that accusation God knew what will end it because humans will continue to rule over their fellow humans dominating them while their subjects are suffering! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

That's what God meant in that verse!

Emusan:
Can you imagine this pure lie.
According to you "God knew what the challenge of Satan will end with FROM BEGINNING" but to you this doesn't mean ALL KNOWING. Waoooooo!
Ọmọ see how wrong teaching is distorting your reasoning.

Emusan:
No, it's not that something is wrong but you being clinical with the truth.

You belief that:

1. Jesus is Michael something you can never produce directly from Bible.

2. Watchtower teaches Theocracy the word you can never found in the Bible.

Yet you lie with bare face that you don't believe whatever that isn't found in the Bible.

Omniscient, Omnipotent & Omnipresent are just words with MEANINGS.

OMNISCIENT = All Knowing! Are you saying God doesn't KNOW ALL THINGS?

OMNIPOTENT = ALL POWERFUL! Are you saying God is not ALL POWERFUL?

OMNIPRESENT = EVERY WHERE! Are you saying God isn't everywhere?



You see why it's evident that you're just a liar and pretending to be wise.

This shows that God HAS THOSE ATTRIBUTES but you just decided to be lying about it.

The @color part shows you don't abide with God's word because the scripture revealed that God KNOWS ALL THINGS, ALMIGHTY (ALL POWERFUL) AND EVERY WHERE.

I know you have problem with Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent because Watchtower told you to not that you don't see the evidence in the scripture.



All these is just your conjecture, the fact remains God:

1. KNOWS ALL THINGS
2. ALL POWERFUL
3. EVERY WHERE.

As supported by the Scripture.

The only question for you is, is God not ALL KNOWING according to the scripture?

tctrills:
Let's make it easy for everyone. MaxInDHouse is not comfortable with the words Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. So just tell him that God knows all, has all power, and His presence is everywhere. No need to use specific words to convey the very same ideas.

As for you MaxInDHouse, I am happy that you now believe in adhering to the word of God and not depending on guesswork. I pray this will transcend to all you believes. That from today, you will trust in God and not man-made organizations.

tctrills:
Ok, for your sake, let us not use those adjectives; instead, let's say God has all power, he knows all things, and his presence is everywhere. Jeremiah 23:23–24.
I really don't care about your choice of words. The important thing here is that we both agree with what the bible says about God today. Nice one.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as billions of religionists claims their god is Trinity but can't find that word in any translation the same is what i'm saying now. Those adjectives can't be found in any translation that's my point!

MaxInDHouse:
If you want go and publish your own Bible and use those adjectives but for now there is no single translation using such adjectives for the Bible God!

tctrills:
Let's make it easy for everyone. MaxInDHouse is not comfortable with the words Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. So just tell him that God knows all, has all power, and His presence is everywhere. No need to use specific words to convey the very same ideas.

As for you MaxInDHouse, I am happy that you now believe in adhering to the word of God and not depending on guesswork. I pray this will transcend to all you believes. That from today, you will trust in God and not man-made organizations.

MaxInDHouse:
That doesn't mean Omniscient first of all you need to know the context of what God is saying before you can understand what He meant by knowing the end from the beginning.
The theme of God's word (Bible) is "God's Kingdom" in simple English "God's Government"
Satan challenged God's sovereignty in the garden of Eden claiming humans can rule themselves successfully without God's guidance and God who created us knew that humans weren't created to rule over themselves {Jeremiah 10:23} so from the beginning of that accusation God knew what will end it because humans will continue to rule over their fellow humans dominating them while their subjects are suffering! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

That's what God meant in that verse!

AngelahFlo:
God bless you Sir. Just this morning this two scriptures came to mind.
"Strong meat belong to those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern between good and evil."

"If the Axe be blunt then much will be strength be put to whet the edge but Wisdom is profitable to direct

Thanks once again for this post

MaxInDHouse:
Imagine a furniture maker who made a stool then someone came claiming the woody stool can be used in a house of fire can the furniture maker predict the outcome?

God created man and said it's not man's job to rule over man it won't work and for thousands of years no human government is successfully all has been ending with one trouble or another.

That's it.

Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end. God created intelligent beings and knew they can't rule over themselves in peace so try any system of government it will surely fail that's what it means!