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Ellexy:
Agenda no dey allow people see clear again. The disrespect then wasn't about the facilities na, he refused to show up for preseason. Two things can be true at the same time haba.

He didn't show up for preseason and i follow critised his actions, until he gave the interview and explain missing preseason because his child died and the club didn't show any support. The "he disrespected the club anthem" became loudest after that interview cos he touch bald fraud, but you are all enjoying the gains now...

nitrogen:
If a player needs to be disciplined, then go ahead and do so. Selling is the last resort especially for a young player like Ganarcho. We know how other managers manage situations like this. You don’t immediately sell young players because of immaturity, you try to get them on track first and if after some time it does not work you discard.

Rashford and Sancho cases are understandable.

How is this different from what Amorim has done?

Leyqute:
How is this different from what Amorim has done?

Tell me how he did it. Where is the evidence? Also, do you actually think that 6-7 months is enough to give up on a young player?

nitrogen:
We should not sell him now. Give him one more season, let him come off the bench and learn overtime. He started as a sub and did really well until we started relying on him for chances and goals upfront.

Are you for real? The same Garnacho that was benched in the Europa league final and ran crying to the press afterwards?

Leyqute:
Are you for real? The same Garnacho that was benched in the Europa league final and ran crying to the press afterwards?

Interesting, so this is even because of one event. Na today player dey complain about not enough game time? It just seems like Amorim can never do wrong. With his outburst, he even devalued the player. Does that make sense?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14754131/Man-United-Amorim-Garnacho-news-transfers.html

If Amorim cannot manage a 21 year old, how is he going to manage matured and stubborn football players. Don’t forget that Cunha can be incorrigible as well. How is he going to deal with hi ? Unless he wants to practice favouritism.

nitrogen:
Tell me how he did it. Where is the evidence? Also, do you actually think that 6-7 months is enough to give up on a young player?

Go back to the timeline of Amorim’s relationship with Garnacho.

He was dropped alongside Rashford for the Manchester Derby. But afterwards, Amorim called him back into the team. This didn’t stop the teenager from being entitled whilst playing rubbish.

He believes he deserves to start even though his decision making is horrendous. Amorim benched him in the final and all hell let loose.

Arrogant, unwilling to learn, and ineffective. Is that the kind of time bomb that any sane manager would want to have in their squad?

How else do you want Amorim to have handled things? Allow Garnacho to walk all over him like ETH? I think a loan spell would be more appropriate, but Garnacho is agitating for a move away— to another premier league club, so that he can “show” Amorim.

It’s people like you that keep on giving immature players like that false ego.

nitrogen:
If Amorim cannot manage a 21 year old, how is he going to manage matured and stubborn football players. Don’t forget that Cunha can be incorrigible as well. How is he going to deal with hi ? Unless he wants to practice favouritism.

You cannot manage a 21 year old that doesn’t want to be managed.

In SAF days it was easier, not today with social media and all that stuff.

Forcing Garnacho to behave with disciplinary actions will only cause wahala. It’s better to allow him carry his petulance elsewhere. Maybe he’ll learn some maturity there.

nitrogen:
Interesting, so this is even because of one event. Na today player dey complain about not enough game time? It just seems like Amorim can never do wrong. With his outburst, he even devalued the player. Does that make sense?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14754131/Man-United-Amorim-Garnacho-news-transfers.html

You can complain about game time but not immediately after the game- AND CERTAINLY NOT TO THE PRESS!!

I keep saying it. It is people like you enabling the bad habits of these average players.

nitrogen:
If Amorim cannot manage a 21 year old, how is he going to manage matured and stubborn football players. Don’t forget that Cunha can be incorrigible as well. How is he going to deal with hi ? Unless he wants to practice favouritism.

I was about to make this point about Cunha. I am all for cultural reset but how then do you go out and buy one the most problematic and lazy player in the league who has fallen out with nearly 4 different Managers. I still don't understand the Cunha signing especially for a position we were well stacked in. We could have used that funds for other relevant positions. Mbuemo, Bruno and Sesko would have been good enough.

nitrogen:
We should not sell him now. Give him one more season, let him come off the bench and learn overtime. He started as a sub and did really well until we started relying on him for chances and goals upfront.

For a team that is trying to find their feet, do you think the team can afford any sort of disruption from some players? Attitude to training and matches, subtle disrespect to the manager, feeling more important than other players, making provocative comments on social media etc?

Leyqute:
Go back to the timeline of Amorim’s relationship with Garnacho.

He was dropped alongside Rashford for the Manchester Derby. But afterwards, Amorim called him back into the team. This didn’t stop the teenager from being entitled whilst playing rubbish.

He believes he deserves to start even though his decision making is horrendous. Amorim benched him in the final and all hell let loose.

Arrogant, unwilling to learn, and ineffective. Is that the kind of time bomb that any sane manager would want to have in their squad?

How else do you want Amorim to have handled things? Allow Garnacho to walk all over him like ETH? I think a loan spell would be more appropriate, but Garnacho is agitating for a move away— to another premier league club, so that he can “show” Amorim.

It’s people like you that keep on giving immature players like that false ego.

Again, young players will always show immaturity. It’s for the manager to sort things out and don’t let it get to the public. Amorim also lashed out at him publicly. What were you expecting?

Forget, young players these days have plenty false egos because of ridiculous transfer fees and limited talent out there. It’s for you to find a way to manage them, there is nothing you can do about it. Part of a manager’s job description. Check Ronaldo and Fergie’s relationship at Utd.

Bombblacks:
I was about to make this point about Cunha. I am all for cultural reset but how then do you go out and buy one the most problematic and lazy player in the league who has fallen out with nearly 4 different Managers. I still don't understand the Cunha signing especially for a position we were well stacked in. We could have used that funds for other relevant positions. Mbuemo, Bruno and Sesko would have been good enough.

Let’s see how he will do it. He should get ready for a show.

eph12:
For a team that is trying to find their feet, do you think the team can afford any sort of disruption from some players? Attitude to training and matches, subtle disrespect to the manager, feeling more important than other players, making provocative comments on social media etc?

You can’t avoid one or two disruptive players. Whether you are finding your feet or you are doing well as a team. It’s unavoidable.

nitrogen:
Some of you are pretty interesting. Either your way or the highway. Anyone not regurgitating, rechewing and reswallowing your vomits with you are enemies and time wasters.

Herd Mentality on these pages isnt exactly a new development..

Emotional Arguments / claims of "Agenda"..even in the face of simple/clear logic, verifiable facts and stone walled evidence are some of the common symptoms.

Don't be too triggered.

Leyqute:
You can complain about game time but not immediately after the game- AND CERTAINLY NOT TO THE PRESS!!

I keep saying it. It is people like you enabling the bad habits of these average players.

I have heard you. The boy was doing okay coming from the bench and was making impact. Na una kuku make the boy too important to the team.

Jamiuokolaa:
Herd Mentality on these pages isnt exactly a new development..

Arguments / claims of "Agenda"..even in the face of simple/clear logic, verifiable facts and stone walled evidence are some of the common symptoms.

Don't be too triggered.

It’s crazy. Any opposing opinion gets shut down. Can’t we coexist and tolerate each other without wahala? Online and faceless space fa!

Bombblacks:
I was about to make this point about Cunha. I am all for cultural reset but how then do you go out and buy one the most problematic and lazy player in the league who has fallen out with nearly 4 different Managers. I still don't understand the Cunha signing especially for a position we were well stacked in. We could have used that funds for other relevant positions. Mbuemo, Bruno and Sesko would have been good enough.

We are losing Rashford, Antony and Garnacho. Rasmus may be gone, I'm not sure what your stand is on Rasmus. How many players do we need to replace these ones?

nitrogen:
Again, young players will always show immaturity. It’s for the manager to sort things out and don’t let it get to the public. Amorim also lashed out at him publicly. What were you expecting?

Forget, young players these days have plenty false egos because of ridiculous transfer fees and limited talent out there. It’s for you to find a way to manage them, there is nothing you can do about it. Part of a manager’s job description. Check Ronaldo and Fergie’s relationship at Utd.

What was Ronaldo and Fergie's relationship? Why don't you check the relationship between Fergie and those ones he stoned boot or sold away from the club?

nitrogen:
Again, young players will always show immaturity. It’s for the manager to sort things out and don’t let it get to the public. Amorim also lashed out at him publicly. What were you expecting?

Forget, young players these days have plenty false egos because of ridiculous transfer fees and limited talent out there. It’s for you to find a way to manage them, there is nothing you can do about it. Part of a manager’s job description. Check Ronaldo and Fergie’s relationship at Utd.

I don’t have time for unnecessarily long debates.

Other clubs have teenage players. None of them are as disrespectful and immature as Garnacho. That alone should tell you you’re backing the wrong horse.

nitrogen:
You can’t avoid one or two disruptive players. Whether you are finding your feet or you are doing well as a team. It’s unavoidable.

Yes we can. You sell them off as soon as you can. SAF did, Pep did, Mourinho did, Klopp did, everyone does

Even if he goes to Chelsea, he won't be a sure starter. I don't see any big club where he will be a sure starter.

nitrogen:
I have heard you. The boy was doing okay coming from the bench and was making impact. Na una kuku make the boy too important to the team.

How did someone in Ojuelegba make the boy too important in the team?

So Cunha had issues with five managers, including Diego Simeone. Seems he is quite lazy. Bruno and Cunha in the same team won’t help sha. Bruno is not that efficient when we don’t have the ball. Baba just forms hardwork without any output. Means the DM will have more work to do. God help us!

eph12:
Yes we can. You sell them off as soon as you can. SAF did, Pep did, Mourinho did, Klopp did, everyone does

So you sell off within 6 months? Amorim has not done one year here, don’t forget.

Leyqute:
I don’t have time for unnecessarily long debates.

Other clubs have teenage players. None of them are as disrespectful and immature as Garnacho. That alone should tell you you’re backing the wrong horse.

Wrong assertion. But it’s okay. Enjoy your evening!

nitrogen:
So you sell off within 6 months? Amorim has not done one year here, don’t forget.

Garnacho wants to be sold. He is not being forced out. He doesn't want to be here anymore

nitrogen:
I am okay with the signings, but they are too expensive.

TBH I hear what you are saying but I think you are failing to realize that Man U does not have the appeal/pedigree (recency bias) to attract top talent at good prices..

There’s no European competition, had a horrible season. The only way top guys will come play for Man U is if they are offered good money (clubs - Signing fee and players - salary). Established players will not come near Man U from a mile only players that are looking for a major breakthrough will join Man U.

Compared to teams such as Man City, Madrid and their recent transfers. Even Aston Villa had a very good January transfer.

Man U needs to build back it’s reputation (win major trophies, compete in Europe) then quality top players will come at even better price point.

seunpinky:
TBH I hear what you are saying but I think you are failing to realize that Man U does not have the appeal/pedigree (recency bias) to attract top talent at good prices..

There’s no European competition, had a horrible season. The only way top guys will come play for Man U is if they are offered good money (clubs - Signing fee and players - salary). Established players will not come near Man U from a mile only players that are looking for a major breakthrough will join Man U.

Compared to teams such as Man City, Madrid and their recent transfers.

Man U needs to build back it’s reputation (win major trophies, compete in Europe) then quality top players will come at even better price point.

I agree with you. Although our fans are making it sound like we are doing shrewd business. Not any different from Mou, LVG, and ETH eras. Infact, one could argue that we are paying more for less these days.

nitrogen:
So Cunha had issues with five managers, including Diego Simeone. Seems he is quite lazy.

Bombblacks:
I was about to make this point about Cunha. I am all for cultural reset but how then do you go out and buy one the most problematic and lazy player in the league who has fallen out with nearly 4 different Managers.

This was mentioned on these pages during the preseason tour.

Jamiuokolaa:
Well, it worked with Maguire upfront last season so we cant rule it out .

Keeping a close watch on Cunha's temper and attitude - the way he literally shouted at Obi for getting into his way in that first half was a bit worrisome.

I understand that serious concerns about his behaviour have been raised in the past. Hopefully, it wouldnt be an issue for us.

His personality doesn't seem to align with Amorim's supposed "requirements" and kinda makes the transfer a bit weird.

Time would tell

nitrogen:
I agree with you. Although our fans are making it sound like we are doing shrewd business. Not any different from Mou, LVG, and ETH eras. Infact, one could argue that we are paying more for less these days.

There’s nothing shrewd about Man U’s business model in the last 10 years (post SAF) this idea of signing a new coach and spending 300m on the coach to get his own players every 3 years is not sustainable esp when the coaches are not winning major trophies.

Also, Man U has not made any decent player sales in the last 5 years. The highest revenue from a player sale is 23m from Elanga and 29m from James meanwhile the club has spent close to 1b on Anthony, Sancho, Mount, Onana, Rashmus, Casemiro, Lisandro, Yoro, Ugarte, Verane, Zeerke, de legt, Dorgu and more recently Mbenuo, Cunha, Sesko and maybe Baleba.

For me, Amorim is not any better than his predecessor,
A good coach does not need to buy 5 players before he can perform Slot and Flick comes to mind. You can argue that slot met an established team but what of Flick, he inherited a team that the former coach (Xavi) criticised as not good enough to compete.

nitrogen:
If Amorim cannot manage a 21 year old, how is he going to manage matured and stubborn football players. Don’t forget that Cunha can be incorrigible as well. How is he going to deal with hi ? Unless he wants to practice favouritism.

Manage a father?

Abeg talk another thing.