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gohf:
May God give some wisdom.

Proverbs 8:22 YHVH qana-ni. The LORD acquired, got wisdom.

But some would tell you well God didn't create wisdom, so maybe they should tell us how God acquired wisdom maybe he bought it from someone if he didn't create wisdom.

The scriptures actually says God got wisdom from the beginning. So where did He get it from, if not from Himself. Who defined what wisdom is and should be if not God.

Janosky:
Screenshot evidence & footnote of Proverbs 8:22-30 (NET Bible) gives clarity to your point .

Julia25:
This is more befitting because if one suggests God created wisdom, except in the form as "wisdom originated from God", then it is completely wrong. A transcendental being such as God is immutable, hence He doesn't change!

If He acquired or created wisdom then He was foolish earlier, which now begs the question which Gabrielshow24 has posed, "how did he attain wisdom when he is foolish? " Note the use of "is" since he is eternally present. Hence it becomes impossible for him to acquire or create wisdom since he is foolish!

The orthodox view is what you have surmised above! God is wisdom. The owner of the thread is wrong on that footing.

Janosky:


The OP is very correct .
@ Proverbs 8:22-30, Wisdom personified is a being created by God.
That created being is Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24, the wisdom of God.
God his Father (meaning Senior) gave Jesus life, John 5:26.
Screenshot evidence, for clarity read Psalms 139 & Genesis in the screenshot.....
God is the Source of Wisdom (Jesus Christ).
In like manner ,God is the Source of Life, including yours & mine.

Janosky:

According to Emusan A.I screenshot evidence.
Jesus Christ is a creature ,the firstborn of every creature .

No be rocket science.

Julia25:
"As originating" —If you didn't see that then you have a problem.

If your own God created wisdom, as you peddle it, then he was foolish but if the concept called "wisdom" originated from him then there's no problem except if your God is not transcendental .

God is wisdom. Also in poetical languages, you can say "God created wisdom" but the context is that wisdom originates from God, it has always been with him, He didn't just attain it, He is Wisdom!

Julia25:
This is more befitting because if one suggests God created wisdom, except in the form as "wisdom originated from God", then it is completely wrong. A transcendental being such as God is immutable, hence He doesn't change!

If He acquired or created wisdom then He was foolish earlier, which now begs the question which Gabrielshow24 has posed, "how did he attain wisdom when he is foolish? " Note the use of "is" since he is eternally present. Hence it becomes impossible for him to acquire or create wisdom since he is foolish!

The orthodox view is what you have surmised above! God is wisdom. The owner of the thread is wrong on that footing.

gohf:
lol "transcendental" you sound like a comic book writer, so where did God transcend from?

Don't bother answering seeing as you don't properly understand the phrase "of God as originating"

Julia25:
Don't be petty , at least you have a thesaurus, look up the meaning of " transcendental " as it applies to God .

Is that not what I said? Or did you see something else in my write-up? It's in the first paragraph for Christ's sake .

I will leave you to your delusions.

gohf:
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gohf:
you shouldn't but then what stopped you from accepting those statements backed up by God's word.

John.17.3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Mark.12.32 The teacher of religious law replied, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth by saying that there is only one God and no other.

would you not look for another excuse to reject the truth? That there is only one God and that Jesus is the son of God, whom God brought to life and says, this is my son and I am his Father.

gohf:
accusing me falsely doesn't change the truth available and evidence provided but you can continue doing what you are good at 👍🏾

Yet you couldn't provide the said God's word to back your claim.

Are these the scriptures that says God CREATED Jesus to be His exact image?


Do Trinitarians ever told you that there are TWO/THREE ONLY GODS Or you didn't know that Trinitarians also agreed that there's ONLY ONE GOD?

Janosky:
According to Emusan A.I screenshot evidence.
Jesus Christ is a creature ,the firstborn of every creature .

No be rocket science.

Janosky:
The OP is very correct .
@ Proverbs 8:22-30, Wisdom personified is a being created by God.
That created being is Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24, the wisdom of God.

God his Father (meaning Senior) gave Jesus life, John 5:26.

Screenshot evidence, for clarity read Psalms 139 & Genesis in the screenshot.....
God is the Source of Wisdom (Jesus Christ).
In like manner ,God is the Source of Life, including yours & mine. [/b]

Emusan:
No wonder you couldn't answer the question I thrown at you since.

Here is it again.

Do you mean what you understand from that screenshot is that AI claimed Jesus is a created being or you're just being sarcastic?

Janosky:
Emusan ,is this view expressed in your screenshot evidence?

Is Emusan sarcastic to post this A.I screenshot?

"Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED."

Internet never forgets.

Emusan:
You throw the first confusion by saying "WISDOM PERSONIFIED"

Emusan:
If Prov is a personification it means it wasn't REAL. So, how come something PERSONIFIED can still be A REAL PERSON?

Emusan:
Also, according to Prov 8, God was the one carrying out the very actions of Creation, so when did God later use Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS?

Emusan:
But Jesus is the very ETERNAL LIFE so, how can life be given to Eternal Life Himself? 1 John 1:2

Emusan:
You don't even know how it sounds that Jesus is the WISDOM OF JEHOVAH.

Emusan:
Which means without Jesus Jehovah doesn't have wisdom.

Emusan:
Jesus is the very ETERNAL LIFE.

Who breath the breath of life into Adam, Jesus or Jehovah?

Emusan:
Yes! It's an evidence.

Can you then answer my question?
No! I'm very serious about it and the reason I posted it.

Can you then answer my question?

Before this statement in what everyone can see which I believe you did unless you what to claim you're blind to it.

According to the AI it said "The phrase 'the first born of every creature' has TWO MEANINGS"

- Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in the sense of preeminence or priority. He is supreme over all creations.

-Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED.
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Emusan:
And the AI concluded that this first MEANING is the accurate one as Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS.
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Chai !!!
Oga, STOP LYING against A.I.


1 Corinthians 11:3, Your Bible says God his Father is SUPREME OVER Jesus.
Jesus is supreme over creation (man).

Emusan:
Yes! It's an evidence.

Can you then answer my question?



No! I'm very serious about it and the reason I posted it.

Can you then answer my question?



Before this statement in what everyone can see which I believe you did unless you what to claim you're blind to it.
*1
According to the AI it said "The phrase 'the first born of every creature' has TWO MEANINGS"

*A -
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in the sense of preeminence or priority. He is supreme over all creations.

*B-
Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED.

And the AI concluded that this first MEANING is the accurate one as Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS.

Posting glaring screenshot that never supported your position for over a year now without answer the question you've been asked several times, shows you're just catching fun with yourself not serious about the content of the screenshot because that screenshot is self explanatory.



*C -
Very well but the question still remains, did the AI supported that Jesus was CREATED or not.

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Janosky:
Jesus Christ the first born is supreme over creation (for example Adam,man).
God His Father is Supreme over Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11;3.

Chai !!!
Oga, STOP LYING against A.I.


1 Corinthians 11:3, Your Bible says God his Father is SUPREME OVER Jesus.
Jesus is supreme over creation (man).

Janosky:

Points *1A , *1B & *1C ,
To whom A.I is given , comprehension skill is expected.

Someone wants to condition his A.I post to suit his narrative conflicting with his A.I post.

Emperor Constantine toh bad gaan!

Janosky:
Every student of the holy Bible knows that wisdom is a being personified, the pronoun "I" ,"me" is in Proverbs 8:22-30.
That you don't know ,thats your matter to resolve.

Is Jesus called Wisdom @ 1 Cor :24?
Yes.
Is Wisdom a being @ Proverbs 8:22-30 called "me" or "I" in that verse?
Yes.
If you don't get it forget about it.

You don't study your Bible .
"Yahweh created me as the beginning of His way..
When Yahweh had not made the earth.....
When Yahweh had not set up the heavens, I was there....."
Oga, pls delete Proverbs 8:22-30 & Hebrew 1:1-2 from your Bible & stick to your opinion

Oga, delete Proverbs 8:22, John 5:26 & John 17:7 from your Bible nau.

You don't even know that how it sounds that 1 Cor 1:24 & Proven 8:22 is in your Bible.

Which means You don't even know that John 17;7 , John 5:26 & Proven 8:22 is in your Bible.
Continue deceiving yourself.

You don't even know that Proverbs 8:22 ,Genesis 2:7 & John 5:26 & Ephesians 3:14-15 is in your Bible.

Ephesians 3:14-15 & John 17:11,12,To whom did Jesus owe his name? [/b]

Julia25:
What’s with the laugh? Did you miss the phrase 'as originating' up there? Or is it the word 'transcendental' that’s tripping you up?

Honestly, how a Christian can be asking 'where did God transcend from?' is beyond baffling 😂😂. Your delusion must be strong—but I don’t have the time (or the patience) to cure it. May God at least allow you to transcend over it 🤧 .

Since you love the word so much, let me help: God didn’t transcend from anywhere, He transcends all things. Meanwhile, you seem stuck trying to transcend simple logic 🤦🏾‍♂️. And until you do, you’ll just keep transcending from one absurd question to the next 😂.

Julia25:
"As originating" —If you didn't see that then you have a problem.

Julia25:
If your own God created wisdom, as you peddle it, then he was foolish but if the concept called "wisdom" originated from him then there's no problem except if your God is not transcendental .

@Proverbs 8:22-30 ,Wisdom is referenced with the pronoun "me", "I".
Yahweh is referenced as "HE" in Prov 8:22-30.
That pronoun ("me","I" is referring to a being called "Wisdom",whom your Bible revealed is Jesus Christ @1Corinthians 1:24 because Jesus is the agency of Creation @ Hebrew 1:1-2, "God created the universe through His Son.
That is the point referenced @ Prov 8:22-30.
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Julia25:
God is wisdom. Also in poetical languages, you can say "God created wisdom" but the context is that wisdom originates from God, it has always been with him, He didn't just attain it, He is Wisdom!

gohf:
being able to type many words but not being able to properly understand one word you keep (improperly)using "transcendent"

so it's obvious you don't also understand the question "transcended from where"?

At least use a dictionary Google or something so maybe we can have a convo, please. 🙏🏾

Emusan:
JaNosense for a reason

Everyone knows that wisdom is PERSONIFIED but you decided to insert another thing into it.

The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being.

You see where your problem started, that is why you have to stop quoting the same Prov 8 further below, that's fraudulent

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Emusan:
Good which means without Jesus Jehovah doesn't have wisdom.

Doesn't that mean Jesus is superior to your God?.

Emusan:
You see where your problem started, that is why you have to stop quoting the same Prov 8 further below, that's fraudulent

See cherry picking

Let's continue with the same Prov 8

"27 I was there when he established the heavens, when he drew the horizon on the oceans. 28 I was there when he set the clouds above, when he established springs deep in the earth. 29 I was there when he set the limits of the seas"
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Emusan:
As you can see the wisdom is saying God HIMSELF is the one carrying out the creation activities which is also confirmed by Isaiah.

"The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being"

What is your next lying mouth will spine the dice now?

Emusan:
When it's evident that you're the one deleting the parts that don't sit well in Watchtower doctrine.

Jesus is the Creator John 1:1-3, Col 1:16-18
As you can see the wisdom is saying God HIMSELF is the one carrying out the creation activities which is also confirmed by Isaiah.
"The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being


We don't deny any verse in God's word unlike you that Watchtower has configured to cherry any part that suits their doctrines and discard the rest of the scripture.
8.

Emusan:
If don't know I won't be quoting from them.

But it's evident that you're the one who cherry pick any part that suits you.

If you have the mind of your own, answer my question.

See this ridiculous statement.

I know as usual you must bring irrelevant post to derail from the main point.

How does this explain Wisdom in Prov 8 not involved in the creation activities who you claimed it was Jesus personified and yet ALL THINGS were created through Jesus?

This is the point you need to refute not by throwing irrelevant stuff

Diversion tactics.

Nobody asked you all these.

Focus on Prov 8.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ & Everything originated from God his Father, John 17:7. John 5:26.
There is no problem with "Qanah" (Strong's 7069) meaning Create ,Erect ,Originate... @ Proverbs 8:22 &Genesis 14:19.


@Proverbs 8:22-30 ,Wisdom is referenced with the pronoun "me", "I".
Yahweh is referenced as "HE" in Prov 8:22-30.
That pronoun ("me","I" is referring to a being called "Wisdom",whom your Bible revealed is Jesus Christ @1Corinthians 1:24 because Jesus is the agency of Creation @ Hebrew 1:1-2, "God created the universe through His Son.
That is the point referenced @ Prov 8:22-30.
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Madam examine the Hebrew meaning of "Qanah" @Proverbs 8:22-30 ,@Genesis 14:19 & Psalm 139:13 to discover the truth in your own bible.

Please, Go and verify.
Madam, what is the meaning of Qanah @ Psalms 139:13, Genesis 14:19 & Proverbs 8:22?
The same meaning of Create,Erect ,Originate.

Is the pronoun "me,"I" @ Proverbs 8:22-30 referring to a living being ?
Yes. Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24.
Is the pronoun "He" @ Proverbs 8:22-30 referring to Wisdom?
No.
The God Almighty Yahweh is not Wisdom @ Proverbs 8:22-30 & 1 Corinthians 1:24.

IYKYK.