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gohf:
being able to type many words but not being able to properly understand one word you keep (improperly)using "transcendent"

so it's obvious you don't also understand the question "transcended from where"?

At least use a dictionary Google or something so maybe we can have a convo, please. 🙏🏾

Julia25:
If your God isn't wisdom, that's no problem but Wisdom hath been with him from the very beginning! And since God hath no beginning then His Wisdom hath no beginning and no end. Since you have said this Wisdom is Christ, Ergo, Jesus hath no beginning and no End. Do you agree with this? I have given you a benefit of the doubt

Janosky:
Wisdom/ Craftsman is another being @ Proverbs 8:22-30, different from Yahweh the God Almighty.


Madam, go and verify this Bible truth for yourself.

Shalom.

Julia25:
didn't you read what I wrote earlier? It's very clear there, that God and His Wisdom are different beings but do you agree that Jesus hath no beginning and no end?

Janosky:
The concept was not even mentioned nor discussed in Proverbs 8:22-30.

Janosky:
Oga, study your Bible & stop deceiving yourself.
@Proverbs 8:22 ,30. Qanah (Strong's 7069).
Yahweh created me (Wisdom/the Craftsman).
What is "the craftsman" @ Proverbs 8:30 doing in your Bible ?

What is the Hebrew meaning of craftsman in your Bible ?
Who is the craftsman/Wisdom @ Proverbs 8:22-30?

@ Genesis 14:19, Qanah (Strong's 7069), Yahweh created ...

Psalms 139:13 ,"Qanah" (Strong's 7069), Yahweh created.
Screenshot evidences.
Someone does not want to believe the holy Bible .
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:1-2 & Proverbs 8:22-30 is not palatable to unbelievers.
Emusan refused to quote Proverbs 8:30.
What is Wisdom saying & doing in Emusans Bible @ Proverbs 8:30 ?
Oga,your lies can't stand thorough scrutiny.

Emusan, what is Wisdom saying & doing in your Bible @ Proverbs 8:27-30?
What is Jesus Christ doing in your Bible @ Hebrews 1:2?

Emusan ,why is Wisdom speaking in spite of your claim that Wisdom is not a being?

Emusan post :
" Jesus is the creator .
"Yahweh is the one One carrying out all the creation activities and not another being."
Emusan, does Wisdom your "Eternal Wisdom of God speak?

Emusan no dey study him Bible .
Oga, go on deceiving yourself.



Emusan and lies...

Janosky:
"God is Supreme over Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11:3.

Your Bible teaching or your delusion.
Oga, you made your choice.[/b]

Janosky:
Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."
Revelation 3:14, Jesus said so himself.

When you study Proverbs 8:22-30 , Psalms 139:13,Genesis 4:2 & Genesis 14:19,22 ,Madam what is the meaning of the Hebrew word qoneh (spelt as Qanah H7069)?

This hebrew word (h 7069 qoneh) is the key to understand Proverbs 8:22-30 & Revelation 3:12.

Thank you .

Emusan:
He has started changing tune when his lying mouth gets exposed.

According to that screenshot you've been parading since.

Did AI said Jesus was created or Jesus was supreme over all creations?



No we are discussing the AI screenshot.

The AI explained that Col 1:15 proved that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS not that Jesus was a created being.

True or false?

The lying liar JaNosense.

I've reattached the screenshot again

Julia25:
why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

Julia25:
The word was with God. Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God and he is also the end of all the creation of God but he himself is not a creature Except if your God is not transcendental

Is your God transcendental?

Emusan:
It's just so funny how you cherry pick any part that suits your doctrine why neglect the most important that support the context.

From your own screenshot, the word "possessed me" also means "To OWN" which means Wisdom wasn't what God doesn't have and have to create but already possessed it but brought out for use when it's needed.

Well, that's how damaged it can be when you based your interpretation on faulty premise of a man made doctrine that needs to distort other part but cherry pick other.

It's just intellectual disorder to think God CREATED HIS OWN WISDOM.

Emusan:
I refuse to quote prov 8:30

So what have I been discussing with you since?

Prov 8:30 Yahweh puts His own WISDOM into play during creation.

How is that hard to understand for you?



Wisdom says it's beside Yahweh during creation as Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities.

It's your own wisdom not always besides you even when you're saying rubbish things?

Wisdom is PERSONIFIED not a PERSON.

You still failed to tell me how Prov 8 claimed Yahweh did everything ALL BY HIMSELF and how Yahweh according to WISDOM Itself but you late claimed God is lying as He used Jesus to create ALL (OTHER) THINGS



Wisdom has been speaking before Chapter 8, and if you study Bible by yourself without Watchtower brainwashing, you'll discovered Wisdom speaking was God because It ascribes to Itself those attributes that solely belong to God Almighty.

From the same Chapter 8 "Common sense and success belong to me. Insight and strength are mine. Because of me, kings reign, and rulers make just decrees. Rulers lead with my help, and nobles make righteous judgments."

So, clinging on to only Prov 8:30 shows you just cherry that part to suit your lying doctrine.





Maybe your brain escape this PERSONIFIED means what is given person attributes to something non-living things. So, if Wisdom is a person, why was it PERSONIFIED IN PROV 8?

At least you can't change your mouth again that wisdom wasn't PERSONIFIED.


The evidence of the person who doesn't study his Bible is glaring here.

Emusan:
He has started changing tune when his lying mouth gets exposed.

According to that screenshot you've been parading since.

Did AI said Jesus was created or Jesus was supreme over all creations?

No we are discussing the AI screenshot.

The AI explained that Col 1:15 proved that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS

not that Jesus was a created being.

True or false?

The lying liar JaNosense.

I've reattached the screenshot again

Did Emusan A.I screenshot proved that "Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature in THE SENSE OF BEING THE FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED"?
Yes ooooo.
Screenshot evidence.

Is Every FIrst born in the Universe SUPREME & preeminent over ALL his siblings?
Yes ooooo.
Jesus Christ the first born of God's children is no exception.
Oga, use the brain God gave you.

Emusan:
The evidence is so glaring.

When he started that madness I thought he was just been sarcastic.

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine.

Is king James Bible Dictionary written by the Watchtower?


Your claim Off point . Off key.
WAILING & moaning
Oga, Stop deceiving yourself.

Julia25:
why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

King James Bible dictionary says You no fit change the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069, CREATE @ Proverbs 8:22.
Published by your fellow Trinitarians.

Madam , team up with Emusan & write your own King James bible dictionary & ADD whatever you like @ Proverbs 8:22, your claim is off point .

Janosky:
Did Emusan A.I screenshot proved that "Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature in THE SENSE OF BEING THE FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED"?
Yes ooooo.
Screenshot evidence.

Is Every FIrst born in the Universe SUPREME & preeminent over ALL his siblings?
Yes ooooo.
Jesus Christ the first born of God's children is no exception.
Oga, use the brain God gave you.
[/b]

Janosky:

Is king James Bible Dictionary written by the Watchtower?


Your claim Off point . Off key.
WAILING & moaning
Oga, Stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:


King James Bible dictionary says You no fit change the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069, CREATE @ Proverbs 8:22.
Published by your fellow Trinitarians.

Madam , team up with Emusan & write your own King James bible dictionary & ADD whatever you like @ Proverbs 8:22, your claim is off point .

Emusan:
This lying liar said "AI PROVED"

O ma se oooo

This is seriously ridiculous.

You're still twisting something very obvious like this.

The AI explained the phrase "The firstborn of every creature"

Then concluded that phrase is accurate for Jesus being preeminence OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is the Creator.

Kai your case is so so pathetic.



You don't even know the meaning of preeminence, if not you won't be this ridiculous.

Julia25:
of course, he originated from God not that he was "created" in the sense you hope to achieve . Jesus translates time hence such sentiments are not befitting on him!

Julia25:
Jesus is not a creature but the Alpha and Omega himself ! —God! This alone is satisfactory except if your own God is not transcendent ? You haven't answered this question. Sir, Janosky is your God transcendental?
Let me know so I have an idea of which school of thought I am dealing with here.

Madam, is the first born of every child still a child?
Likewise, Jesus Christ the first born of every creature is himself a creature.
Nothing changes this Bible fact.

Madam, my God is transcendental ."Transcendental" meaning "relating to the spiritual realm OR supernatural"
Screenshot evidence.
Your own Bible says " when God brings his firstborn into the world....."
In other words, " when God brings Jesus his first born in the spiritual realm into the world of men in the likeness of men, Romans 8:3 & Hebrews 1:6A.
Madam, Stop deceiving yourself !

Jesus is first born in the spiritual realm, Heb 1:6A.

Emusan:
What an incoherent thing.

What correlation does my post has with KJV rubbish you posted?

Emusan(m): 6:12pm On Aug 19

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine

Emusan, is your KJV dictionary giving the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069 Qoneh ( is "CREATE" @ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19, Psalms 139:13 screenshot ) was published by your fellow Trinitarians to suit Watchtower doctrine?

Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

gohf:
like! I don't even know where to start, she's not tracking the conversation nor following what she herself is even writing.

Her level of understanding is to refer to one time mention of a phrase as "mundane fixation" and when she is told she isn't using words properly she goes on the defensive and attacks, instead of even trying to explain how or why she used it.

Like how I can even have a conversation with someone who seems more interested in typing than actually reading and understanding what is written. If she is showing poor understanding of people's words it's obvious the concept in Proverbs is beyond her and she won't even listen to learn.

Janosky:
God is transcendental (meaning "relating to spiritual realm" ) factually correct.

Genesis 1;1, " in the beginning God created the heaven (spiritual realm first) & the earth (physical realm thereafter)". Job 38:1-7 confirmed that.

However, she doesn't seem to realize that Hebrew 1:6A & Romans 8:3 conflicted with her claims.

" God brings Jesus his first born (in the spiritual realm) into the world of men (in the physical realm ) in the likeness of men.

Julia25 doesn't realize that the concept of firstborn began in the spiritual realm.

gohf:
it isn't factually correct. God isn't transcendental, God is God, he didn't transcend anything or anyone, or from anywhere to become God.

She said God transcended I asked her from where did God transcend and she couldn't answer

Janosky:
I'm stating the dictionary meaning of the word "transcendental."
From your observation, I now understand that her own meaning of that expression is entirely different from the dictionary explanation.

Thank you Sir.