₦airaland Forum

justwise:
KS should not even think about it else labour party will be gone by next general election. What Trump is doing can only work in a lawless country like US. The British justice system will not even allow the govt to do what Trump is doing. Stop the boat YES but the moment they get into the country they should be treated with some level of dignity.

If KS decided to do that then expect the economy to tank and everyone of us will 'collect'.

Ask Americans farmers and construction companies how Trump immigration policy is benefiting them.

All the policies in the US currently is achieving same results in the UK, low job growth, inflation and more despair. That’s what all these talk of shutting borders achieves, nothing more!

Zahra29:
They need to introduce a regularisation scheme for existing illegal workers e.g. those with no criminal record, those who have lived X years in the US etc - even if it's a temporary visa like we have here, with no direct route to settlement.

At least the workers will be able to work without fear and exploitation - unfortunately many are paid below minimum wage, no insurance or employment rights etc.

The Biden administration had a Bipartisan bill to address the issue, bipartisan means both democrats and republicans agreed on it and was ready to be passed by the legislature but guess what, Trump asked the republicans in the house to back off from the deal at the last minute due to his political campaign and all those efforts went down the drain! Even the TPS scheme which is a temporary status thing you’re talking about for certain nationals have all recently been cancelled by the King of the North himself and now all those folks are all out of status!

justwise:
He will be even a bigger failure, remember all his promises about Brexit? How far now?

.

Populism can win you elections to get you into office but to show workings that’s where you get hooked especially when you now have access to the real time data you never had when you’re campaigning. Data and facts are always too brutal and no more hiding place! You go explain tire 😂

Zahra29:
They need to introduce a regularisation scheme for existing illegal workers e.g. those with no criminal record, those who have lived X years in the US etc - even if it's a temporary visa like we have here, with no direct route to settlement.

At least the workers will be able to work without fear and exploitation - unfortunately many are paid below minimum wage, no insurance or employment rights etc.

If they do that then stephen miller will not have a job and Trump promise of deporting millions and millions of illegal aliens will an epic fallur.

This is about numbers and got nothing to do with fixing the immigration system, they are deporting even American citizens, those with green card, those with cases going through the immigration court, those who have lived in America for more than 20yrs with no criminal record.

No due process, just pick them up from the street, work places, schools etc and lock them up then deport them

No govt can stop illegal immigration but it can not controlled, businesses can not do without illegal immigrants, Trump himself benefited heavily from illegal immigrants.

Allegedly Melania Trump stayed in US through "Einstein visa", a visa category reserved for people with "extraordinary ability'', individuals who have sustained national or international acclaim and recognition in their field...and Trump is deporting illegal immigrants?

Goke7:
All the policies in the US currently is achieving same results in the UK, low job growth, inflation and more despair. That’s what all these talk of shutting borders achieves, nothing more!

I think the UK is not as bad as the Trump economy as the moment. Remember that any figure coming out of Trump administration can not be trusted as it maybe white washed to make him happy else your job will be gone if you present true reflection of the economy

justwise:
If they do that then stephen miller will not have a job and Trump promise of deporting millions and millions of illegal aliens will an epic fallur.

This is about numbers and got nothing to do with fixing the immigration system, they are deporting even American citizens, those with green card, those with cases going through the immigration court, those who have lived in America for more than 20yrs with no criminal record.

No due process, just pick them up from the street, work places, schools etc and lock them up then deport them

No govt can stop illegal immigration but it can not controlled, businesses can not do without illegal immigrants, Trump himself benefited heavily from illegal immigrants.

Allegedly Melania Trump stayed in US through "Einstein visa", a visa category reserved for people with "extraordinary ability'', individuals who have sustained national or international acclaim and recognition in their field...and Trump is deporting illegal immigrants?

But it's the prerogative of a sovereign country to control its borders and remove those who have no legal status - otherwise what's the point of a border? However I think the priority should be illegal immigrants who have committed crime, of which there are many, not those who have otherwise lived lawfully for decades, have American children, integrated into society etc

I agree that immigrants are vital for many sectors in the US. However my grouse is that these companies are happy for them to remain illegal because they are a source of very cheap labour - no need to pay them going rate, no need to provide medical insurance or other employment benefits - they're illegal aliens right, who can they report to??

They should be lobbying the government to regularise the status of their workers to enable them work freely and be paid the going rate - which will also benefit the government in the form of (increased) tax receipts, reduced reliance on the state etc

justwise:
I think the UK is not as bad as the Trump economy as the moment. Remember that any figure coming out of Trump administration can not be trusted as it maybe white washed to make him happy else your job will be gone if you present true reflection of the economy

I don’t think so o as the national debt for the uk keeps rising against gdp. Meanwhile Trump sacked even the person that just print out the actual job numbers each month as the figures were not in tandem with his political outlook!

Zahra29:
But it's the prerogative of a sovereign country to control its borders and remove those who have no legal status - otherwise what's the point of a border? However I think the priority should be illegal immigrants who have committed crime, of which there are many, not those who have otherwise lived lawfully for decades, have American children, integrated into society etc

I agree that immigrants are vital for many sectors in the US. However my grouse is that these companies are happy for them to remain illegal because they are a source of very cheap labour - no need to pay them going rate, no need to provide medical insurance or other employment benefits - they're illegal aliens right, who can they report to??

They should be lobbying the government to regularise the status of their workers to enable them work freely and be paid the going rate - which will also benefit the government in the form of (increased) tax receipts, reduced reliance on the state etc

How many? That’s always the issue and at the end they won’t be up to the target number they want deported hence they going after innocent people going about their normal lives to make up for their target numbers to please their base

It’s amazing to always assume that the average person who knows they are not citizens and just want a livelihood will take to a life of crime.

Goke7:
Even the Nigel making mouth will not stop any boats either, the Torries couldn’t, Labour can’t so what will Nigel do that will be different? It’s all gimmicks to win elections that’s all and when they get in power they look for the quickest or easiest vulnerable people living in the uk to pounce on. From Theresa May that’s has been the plot, international students, windrush generation, eastern europeans(Brexit), Muslims, Arabs and other minorities in the uk they can easily show power on to please their people!

What happens to your we are world citizens. Oh now you know they have their own people.

jayanne123:
Thanks for your prompt response, pls let me understand this better. What documents did you submit to prove sole responsibility and did you change what you wrote in your 1st application when applying the 2nd time?

I might not be able to disclose on a public space

Zahra29:
But it's the prerogative of a sovereign country to control its borders and remove those who have no legal status - otherwise what's the point of a border? However I think the priority should be illegal immigrants who have committed crime, of which there are many, not those who have otherwise lived lawfully for decades, have American children, integrated into society etc

I agree that immigrants are vital for many sectors in the US. However my grouse is that these companies are happy for them to remain illegal because they are a source of very cheap labour - no need to pay them going rate, no need to provide medical insurance or other employment benefits - they're illegal aliens right, who can they report to??

They should be lobbying the government to regularise the status of their workers to enable them work freely and be paid the going rate - which will also benefit the government in the form of (increased) tax receipts, reduced reliance on the state etc

You are making my point, I’m not against border control, I’m against controlling skin colour and treating people like animals which is what Trump is doing.

We will have fewer millionaires and billionaires today without cheap labour provided by illegal workers.

If iPhone and Samsung are made in US or the UK how many of us can afford to own one?

justwise:
You are making my point, I’m not against border control, I’m against controlling skin colour and treating people like animals which is what Trump is doing.

We will have fewer millionaires and billionaires today without cheap labour provided by illegal workers.

If iPhone and Samsung are made in US or the UK how many of us can afford to own one?

I agree.

I just don't like when some sectors cry out that they're losing their illegal workers (aka cheap, sometimes exploited labour) when there is a better, albeit Idealistic way, which is for their status to be legalised.

Lexusgs430:
Quiet introspections and well thought calculations required.......😊😂💭

Elder, good afternoon. Please i need the shipping company you recommended sometime ago. I am shipping from Nigeria to uk. Thanks in advance

advanceDNA:
What’s the new policy??

They now wants us to prove beyond doubt sole responsibility, before oct 2024 they don’t accept letters from schools and all sort

lavida001:
What happens to your we are world citizens. Oh now you know they have their own people.

If you are intellectually bankrupt to add anything meaningful to the discussion above don't you think you shut up and let the thread flow rather than Nation shamming folks here. Are you not enjoying the intellectual conversation above from these people : Justwise, Zahra29, Goke7, Jamesclooney and Cyberknight

dentalux:
Elder, good afternoon. Please i need the shipping company you recommended sometime ago. I am shipping from Nigeria to uk. Thanks in advance

Here you go.... 👌

willyede:
If you are intellectually bankrupt to add anything meaningful to the discussion above don't you think you shut up and let the thread flow rather than Nation shamming folks here. Are you not enjoying the intellectual conversation above from these people : Justwise, Zahra29, Goke7, Jamesclooney and Cyberknight

Mr intellectual Firstly, Where did I nation shame anyone. Secondly you are entitled to your opinion and I can give my opinion and it’s up to you to digest it however you want. I try to keep it civil but you Telling me to shut up speaks of how you are more morally bankrupt and mannerless.

lavida001:
Mr intellectual Firstly, Where did I nation shame anyone. Secondly you are entitled to your opinion and I can give my opinion and it’s up to you to digest it however you want. I try to keep it civil but you Telling me to shut up speaks of how you are more morally bankrupt and mannerless.

That is because you are like to Nation shame folks...You are always doing this. I wonder why for the often time the mods are not cautioning you on this. Yet again i draw you to the title of this thread. There were discussing the political position in the uk and boom your point was to derail the thread with "What happens to your we are world citizens. Oh now you know they have their own people".
Like from where to where....Make it make sense ......I hardly write but always prefer to read interesting conversations that bothers Nigerians in the uk. Leave people with their decisions and hug your slavery mentality in your closet alone.

Lexusgs430:
Here you go.... 👌

Thanks so much

willyede:
That is because you are like to Nation shame folks...You are always doing this. I wonder why for the often time the mods are not cautioning you on this. Yet again i draw you to the title of this thread. There were discussing the political position in the uk and boom your point was to derail the thread with "What happens to your we are world citizens. Oh now you know they have their own people".
Like from where to where....Make it make sense ......I hardly write but always prefer to read interesting conversations that bothers Nigerians in the uk. Leave people with their decisions and hug your slavery mentality in your closet alone.

If you don’t write allow those that wants to write do so.
What you prefer is different from what others prefer.
You get my drift? And next time show manners when typing ok. I know you want to score cheap points but don’t be rude when doing so. The person I replied understood my point. And what are you exactly asking admin to caution me about ? Is it that you don’t want me to speak or you don’t like what I say.

lavida001:
If you don’t write allow those that wants to write do so.
What you prefer is different from what others prefer.
You get my drift? And next time show manners when typing ok. I know you want to score cheap points but don’t be rude when doing so. The person I replied understood my point. And what are you exactly asking admin to caution me about ? Is it that you don’t want me to speak or you don’t like what I say.

I don't live for Nairaland and am sure if you look at the time i signup with Nairaland it should tell you i dont trip for likes...I have always observed your stand on this thread and as i said i am out for you anytime anyday on this thread. People are free with their stand on where they want to be and how they want to feel like without you having to induce their decision with your slave mentality syndrome....

willyede:
I don't live for Nairaland and am sure if you look at the time i signup with Nairaland it should tell you i dont trip for likes...I have always observed your stand on this thread and as i said i am out for you anytime anyday on this thread. People are free with their stand on where they want to be and how they want to feel like without you having to induce their decision with your slave mentality syndrome....

Ok Mr intellectual and slave mentality syndrome let’s not derail the thread and allow your so called intellectuals talk while we just read and consume their thoughts without contributing.

As for me I’m a one man army and not here for anyone’s validation and I will continue to give my submissions. It’s a free country init

lavida001:
Ok Mr intellectual and slave mentality syndrome let’s not derail the thread and allow your so called intellectuals talk while we just read and consume their thoughts without contributing.

As for me I’m a one man army and not here for anyone’s validation and I will continue to give my submissions. It’s a free country init

Nobody is commenting on your take but you trying to gas light folks into believing what you want them to believe is what i am standing against...As i have said i am watching out for your systematic bullying cos that is what it is....Your comment had no point in the above discussion.....One man army my foot

willyede:
Nobody is commenting on your take but you trying to gas light folks into believing what you want them to believe is what i am standing against...As i have said i am watching out for your systematic bullying cos that is what it is....Your comment had no point in the above discussion.....One man army my foot

It’s not slave mentality anymore but Gaslighting folks .OK Mr Willy you’ve made your point. Let’s not derail the room. You can go to bed now. Night night

lavida001:
It’s not slave mentality anymore but Gaslighting folks .OK Mr Willy you’ve made your point. Let’s not derail the room. You can go to bed now. Night night

Whatever you want to call it na you sa bi...Leave people to their choice

Your last 2 month posts has a lot on your mentality :
1. These are the issues they hate to hear or want a better a better a Nigeria/ Africa- 9:02pm On Jul 21
2. Youna go fix that country by force she - 10:13am On Jul 21
3. Even sending them home isn’t easy. There must be valid reason.
I laugh at all them those I’m doing it for my kids that’s why I japa 🤣-2:41pm On Jul 19
4. Youna dey see why I say make we fix Africa bah.

Time go tell -7:29pm On Jul 01
5. You no take the visa dem give you?

I will not engage you further.

Time go tell - 6:40pm On Jun 24
6. Where have I said I feel inferior?

Strawman argument + gaslighting.

You will be fine as you head to Canada. And maybe next will be USA and if it don’t suite you japa to AU.

At the end of the day you go still go back home - 5:24am On Jun 24
7. They hate to hear this but this evidence is clear.

Africans choose to live in denial rather than confront the truth in front of us. Length and breadth of Africa not a single country to look up to in development/ real change - 3:32am On Jun 22
8. Really Has slavery truly ended?

I’m glad I can spark your brain to think critically. That consciousness about your root you must learn it by force -9:03am On Jun 19
9. You no fit complain for your country na another man country you wan complain abi.
You lot think Europe is built on being peaceful. These people fought ww1 and 2 where they kill each other( same skin colour for that matter ) in the millions and it’s still going on till this day in Ukraine and Russia.
The earlier you know your place the better. If you are not happy right to your MP and I’d like to see what that will get you. They are the majority and they will always have their way. If I see that what’s going on is not what I want I go back home. simple… the country don even tire me - 2:12am On Jun 18
10. Yes it is… if them come out in mass go and debate with them that it is your country. Some of una need to learn that just because the system make it possible for you to come and enjoy the spoils of democracy doesn’t make it a right rather it’s a privilege - 1:46am On Jun 18
11. Their country their choice. Fix Africa only then you can be truly free - 12:56am On Jun 17
12. It’s funny how some of us come to this country and want to tell them how to rule their country try. Something we can’t demand in our country.
Better just take what they give you. Don’t forget you said you came here because of your kids future - 12:31am On Jun 09
13. Youna go build that Africa by fire by force - 1:49pm On May 12

willyede:
Whatever you want to call it na you sa bi...Leave people to their choice

Your last 2 month posts has a lot on your mentality :
1. These are the issues they hate to hear or want a better a better a Nigeria/ Africa- 9:02pm On Jul 21
2. Youna go fix that country by force she - 10:13am On Jul 21
3. Even sending them home isn’t easy. There must be valid reason.
I laugh at all them those I’m doing it for my kids that’s why I japa 🤣-2:41pm On Jul 19
4. Youna dey see why I say make we fix Africa bah.

Time go tell -7:29pm On Jul 01
5. You no take the visa dem give you?

I will not engage you further.

Time go tell - 6:40pm On Jun 24
6. Where have I said I feel inferior?

Strawman argument + gaslighting.

You will be fine as you head to Canada. And maybe next will be USA and if it don’t suite you japa to AU.

At the end of the day you go still go back home - 5:24am On Jun 24
7. They hate to hear this but this evidence is clear.

Africans choose to live in denial rather than confront the truth in front of us. Length and breadth of Africa not a single country to look up to in development/ real change - 3:32am On Jun 22
8. Really Has slavery truly ended?

I’m glad I can spark your brain to think critically. That consciousness about your root you must learn it by force -9:03am On Jun 19
9. You no fit complain for your country na another man country you wan complain abi.
You lot think Europe is built on being peaceful. These people fought ww1 and 2 where they kill each other( same skin colour for that matter ) in the millions and it’s still going on till this day in Ukraine and Russia.
The earlier you know your place the better. If you are not happy right to your MP and I’d like to see what that will get you. They are the majority and they will always have their way. If I see that what’s going on is not what I want I go back home. simple… the country don even tire me - 2:12am On Jun 18
10. Yes it is… if them come out in mass go and debate with them that it is your country. Some of una need to learn that just because the system make it possible for you to come and enjoy the spoils of democracy doesn’t make it a right rather it’s a privilege - 1:46am On Jun 18
11. Their country their choice. Fix Africa only then you can be truly free - 12:56am On Jun 17
12. It’s funny how some of us come to this country and want to tell them how to rule their country try. Something we can’t demand in our country.
Better just take what they give you. Don’t forget you said you came here because of your kids future - 12:31am On Jun 09
13. Youna go build that Africa by fire by force - 1:49pm On May 12

Who have I told not to air their thoughts here ? This is the other way around because I’m the one advocating better Nigeria and Africa and people kept saying they don’t want to hear it. You are trully out for me to the extent you went back dug out my posts. Mr Willy Willy This is a comprehension problem from your end. For the last time let’s not derail the room. But bare in mind I will never kowtow.

I yield

lavida001:
If you don’t write allow those that wants to write do so.
What you prefer is different from what others prefer.
You get my drift? And next time show manners when typing ok. I know you want to score cheap points but don’t be rude when doing so. The person I replied understood my point. And what are you exactly asking admin to caution me about ? Is it that you don’t want me to speak or you don’t like what I say.

Understood what? That I chose not to reply show how irrelevant it was, abeg no use me catch cruise cos I don’t validate trash ok? Let’s be guided please. It’s not even compulsory to reply anyone or to be replied by someone! I didn’t appoint any rep here o!

lavida001:
Who have I told not to air their thoughts here ? This is the other way around because I’m the one advocating better Nigeria and Africa and people kept saying they don’t want to hear it. You are trully out for me to the extent you went back dug out my posts. Mr Willy Willy This is a comprehension problem from your end. For the last time let’s not derail the room. But bare in mind I will never kowtow.

I yield

I don't care i detest bullies...I cannot stand them and that is what you are...Do not gauge people with their decision making...Do not try to bully them into thinking they need to be grateful for looking for a greener pasture and do not try to make folks have a slave mentality...So whether you say comprehension or no comprehension na you sabi..You go at anybody for their choice here i will go after you...

Lincoln4u:
I might not be able to disclose on a public space , you can email me lincolntiamiyu@gmail.com

Hello, I have sent you a message. Could you please respond. I know you may be quite busy. Thanks a lot for your time.

Jamesclooney:
Great analysis as per usual 👍🏾
One choice they can make and it’s relatively easy imho is actually STOP THE BOATS and deport those in hotels/stop funding them! Just borrow some of Trump’s harsh methods and the illegal migrants will get the point and stop coming altogether. Once KS manages that, he’ll steal the thunder from Reform/Online Right and legal migrants will support this as well. It’s a no brainer for me.

Agreed. Hopefully just a few of said harsh methods, we certainly don't want to racialise the whole situation, which is what's happening in the US now.

They're demonstrating at the hotels now, and while I see their viewpoint, thankfully the holidays are ending and maybe that might take some of the steam out of it, the right wing media's best efforts notwithstanding.

I remember this article (in a centre-left publication) because of its quote that gained prominence during the Biden period: "If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do". It's from a few years ago, but makes interesting reading.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

Zahra29:
At the moment it feels like Labour are not pleasing anyone. Most people expected that they would go after corporations and the very wealthy, but in reality that's not easy for various reasons, and so it's the middle class, disabled etc that's feeling the brunt of tax rises, property taxes, welfare reforms etc leaving traditional Labour supporters disillusioned and angry. Corbyn is now standing up his breakaway left wing party which will only compound Labour's issues.

Sadly, I think (while hoping that this will not be the case) Labour's goose might be pretty much cooked in '29, whatever they do. Reform is taking on the same aura of inevitability that Trump had - the Overton window's shifted so much to the right that an increasing number of people will just vote for whoever will sort out the immigration issue and don't care about anything else.

I read in today's Times that the govt is going to bring out some measure to shorten the asylum appeal process and take away the courts' powers to render all types of judgments. The paper's reporting was illustrative of the way things work : it said ministers had been working on the proposals "for months", but were now rushing the proposals out next week when Parliament reconvenes "possibly in response to this weekend's events", and are undecided how to do it, whether to amend existing immigration act or draft a new bill. It effectively shows Labour as being reactive and on the back foot. Contrasting this with the US of course to highlight the sense of Labour's not having a grip. This is all the more the case as the UK executive actually has more powers than the executive in the US federal government (Parliament is supreme in the UK, Congress under the US constitution has more power than the president, even though the US Supreme Court has given itself actual supremacy in the US), so Labour can pass whatever measures it chooses as the courts can't strike down its laws.

Australia had problems with illegal arrivals on boats.
How did the Aussies solve it?
The UK Labour Govt should use the Australian model. It worked before, it can still work for the UK.

All this talk about ‘smashing the gangs’ and 1-in-1-out is nonsense.

While in opposition, David Lammy uses EVERY single opportunity he has to cry out and advocate for SAFE LEGAL ROUTES for asylum seekers. What happened to that?

Now, most of the illegal boat arrivals come in from France, right? The UK has a consulate in France don’t they? Can the UK not open small consulate office annexes in Calais? Then the UK post their officials there. All prospective asylum seekers go to the UK-manned posts in Calais to apply for asylum. Any successful applicants are granted asylum visas and the UK facilitates their travel via Eurostar.

With this firmly established, No ‘asylum’ seeker can arrive in a boat and be expected to not be treated as an illegal.

With that firmly established, the UK now applies the Australian model. Infact, if they can’t get a 3rd country (like Rwanda), they can place huge ‘Bibby Stockholm’s’ at sea. Any dinghy arrivals are put in the Ships and taken back to their home countries, without their feet touching the ground.

The EcHR cannot accuse the UK of breaking the law, since the UK can point at the consulate/embassy annexes in Calais.

Problem solved.
Nigel no longer has a small boats argument.
Labour succeeds where the Tories failed.

Labour becomes the darling of the UK.
Everyone is happy.
Even our previous Nairaland Labour Party chairwoman will return to this thread.

Happy Days!