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Stayingalive:
You’re talking of church yet you compare it with a typical business?? And you don’t see something off about that?

Well I never used pastor Adeboye I don’t know what you’re about defending him in particular. He has a phD and resigned and went to start church is his agreement with God and has nothing to do with the topic. Paul left everything he was doing and followed Christ. He wasn’t luxurious in anyway.
Luxury or no luxury isn’t even the consensus here.

The original topic was curious about why pastors are very rich yet poor congregation. The truth here is church cannot make people prosperous, can we all gather and agree?, even if that is spiritually possible that wasn’t what pastors and church is supposed to be about. It was suppose to be a by-product of hardwork, decisions and healthy living.

Can we Atleast agree that church is for the gathering of the brethren and the pastors are those as our leaders? Pastors aren’t our government, doctors, economists nor even accountant. Can we agree?

Or are you also part of those thinking the pastors can bless you in an economic with low GDP? And even if he does but not your neighbors? So you’re the only bless one in a lawless neighborhood?

Are you part of those thinking that a town with less than enough jobs and many jobless youth. That you will be miraculously within those few? While those who don’t know the same God go hungry?

Are you part of those who want to be prosperous and silently enjoy your wealth in a system sitting on gun powder of kidnapping and corruption?

Are you?

Since you don't believe in God and what He can do, you will never experienced it.
People like you wish churches should be poor so you will come again to mock the church.
We that pay our tithes and offerings are not complaining people like you that use your money for drinking beer, taking hard drugs and carrying olosho,
I want to advise you to leave how church spent their money.
It's people that contribute the money that should bother themselves with church properties and church finances.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Since you don't believe in God and what He can do, you will never experienced it.
People like you wish churches should be poor so you will come again to mock the church.
We that pay our tithes and offerings are not complaining people like you that use your money for drinking beer, taking hard drugs and carrying olosho,
I want to advise you to leave how church spent their money.
It's people that contribute the money that should bother themselves with church properties and church finances.

I was born and raised in the church. The church is not a money house. It is for the brethren to gather and worship, and improve their faith through encouraging one another 1 Corinthans 14:23. If you think there is money there or your pastor is telling you so. They are lying to you.

The church even need money from the brethren to sustain fundamental part of its operation and it’s not a hidden knowledge. but most pastor promising you wealth cos you gave aren’t honest, giving in the book of Romans is an attitude of a Christian , it’s an act of love, anyone who is a Christian would cheerfully give except they don’t know God. Anyone cajoling you is trying to play you

The church are the people, anyone can be rich and make money and it has nothing but do with your spiritual life per se. Muslim, Christain and any pagan. China are 65% atheist, please don’t believe me, research it, with their population, their GDP is very high. It’s simple math, money making is not supernatural, most pastors are wolfs in sheep clothing with all shade of greed. But revelation told us they would be here in the last days

I rest my case

Stayingalive:
I was born and raised in the church. The church is not a money house. It is for the brethren to gather and worship, and improve their faith through encouraging one another 1 Corinthans 14:23. If you think there is money there or your pastor is telling you so. They are lying to you.

The church even need money from the brethren to sustain fundamental part of its operation and it’s not a hidden knowledge. but most pastor promising you wealth cos you gave aren’t honest, giving in the book of Romans is an attitude of a Christian , it’s an act of love, anyone who is a Christian would cheerfully give except they don’t know God. Anyone cajoling you is trying to play you

The church are the people, anyone can be rich and make money and it has nothing but do with your spiritual life per se. Muslim, Christain and any pagan. China are 65% atheist, please don’t believe me, research it, with their population, their GDP is very high. It’s simple math, money making is not supernatural, most pastors are wolfs in sheep clothing with all shade of greed. But revelation told us they would be here in the last days

I rest my case

If you think God doesn't bless people for giving tithes and offerings in the church, your mind and thought need to be filled with the word of God.
The achievement of the church today that making people like you to be bitter came from the contributions of people bless by God.
People that have been promoted beyond their certificate and what they envisaged.
Talk for your own and examine your life if God didn't bless you financially and economically when you were going to church.
The aim of Christian is not to own the whole world, because if we do many will put their hope and faith in money.
God bless and meets the needs of his children as they continue to rely on him for everything till they leave this world

Read what Proverbs 30:7-9 says
[7] Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die):
[8] Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me;
[9] Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God.

Read what God says in the Bible about blessings people when they give.
Malachi 3:10-11 NKJV
[10] Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the Lord of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.
[11] “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” Says the Lord of hosts;


Satan and other gods also give money to their own.
But Bible says in Proverbs 10:22 that "it's only the blessings of God that makes rich without adding any sorrow with it".
Any born again Christian that wants to enjoy blessings of God without sorrow and devourer must give.
Anyone that believes and realises it's God that has been helping him or her to make money will give money to the work of God in the church without any persuasion.
It's proud people like you that always think you don't need God in your efforts.
Bible says in Psalms 14:1 that the fools says in his heart there is no God

TOPMAN4LIFE:
If you think God doesn't bless people for giving tithes and offerings in the church, your mind and thought need to be filled with the word of God.
The achievement of the church today that making people like you to be bitter came from the contributions of people bless by God.
People that have been promoted beyond their certificate and what they envisaged.
Talk for your own and examine your life if God didn't bless you financially and economically when you were going to church.
The aim of Christian is not to own the whole world, because if we do many will put their hope and faith in money.
God bless and meets the needs of his children as they continue to rely on him for everything till they leave this world

Read what Proverbs 30:7-9 says
[7] Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die):
[8] Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me;
[9] Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God.

Read what God says in the Bible about blessings people when they give.
Malachi 3:10-11 NKJV
[10] Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the Lord of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.
[11] “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” Says the Lord of hosts;


Satan and other gods also give money to their own.
But Bible says in Proverbs 10:22 that "it's only the blessings of God that makes rich without adding any sorrow with it".
Any born again Christian that wants to enjoy blessings of God without sorrow and devourer must give.
Anyone that believes and realises it's God that has been helping him or her to make money will give money to the work of God in the church without any persuasion.
It's proud people like you that always think you don't need God in your efforts.
Bible says in Psalms 14:1 that the fools says in his heart there is no God

you're beating around the bush and pushing statement and assumption I never made.
from what I can see you seem to be part of the people preaching the falsehood. But the bible is clear

2 Thessalonians 3:10 “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Proverbs 14:23 “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
Proverbs 12:11 “Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense.”

Those verse above are fundamental truth and has nothing to do with you as a Christian.

The church is not a marketplace, it is the house of God. it's not a business venture, it's not a place to come and find money, it is for true believer who want to live a meaningful live through christ. if you want money, you can go and work, whatever religion you're in, you will make money, simple, making money is never a criteria of Gods works, even a native doctor if they put themselves together can make money. Now all shade and manner of business men in suite and ties are now turning church to a miracle center, a center for where faith without works is the manner of the day.

You know what I close on this matter, don't expect a reply for me on this topic again, thanks.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
If you think God doesn't bless people for giving tithes and offerings in the church, your mind and thought need to be filled with the word of God.
The achievement of the church today that making people like you to be bitter came from the contributions of people bless by God.
People that have been promoted beyond their certificate and what they envisaged.
Talk for your own and examine your life if God didn't bless you financially and economically when you were going to church.
The aim of Christian is not to own the whole world, because if we do many will put their hope and faith in money.
God bless and meets the needs of his children as they continue to rely on him for everything till they leave this world

Read what Proverbs 30:7-9 says
[7] Two things I request of You (Deprive me not before I die):
[8] Remove falsehood and lies far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches— Feed me with the food allotted to me;
[9] Lest I be full and deny You, And say, “Who is the Lord?” Or lest I be poor and steal, And profane the name of my God.

Read what God says in the Bible about blessings people when they give.
Malachi 3:10-11 NKJV
[10] Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the Lord of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.
[11] “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” Says the Lord of hosts;


Satan and other gods also give money to their own.
But Bible says in Proverbs 10:22 that "it's only the blessings of God that makes rich without adding any sorrow with it".
Any born again Christian that wants to enjoy blessings of God without sorrow and devourer must give.
Anyone that believes and realises it's God that has been helping him or her to make money will give money to the work of God in the church without any persuasion.
It's proud people like you that always think you don't need God in your efforts.
Bible says in Psalms 14:1 that the fools says in his heart there is no God

Is Dangote' s wealth from Satan?

Truthseeker10:
Is Dangote' s wealth from Satan?

I cannot jugde that now, but if what I am hearing is true that many Nigeria treasury looters hid and invested the money they stole in Dangote's business and get their dividends,
That means the money is evil.

Stayingalive:
you're beating around the bush and pushing statement and assumption I never made.
from what I can see you seem to be part of the people preaching the falsehood. But the bible is clear

2 Thessalonians 3:10 “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Proverbs 14:23 “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
Proverbs 12:11 “Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense.”

Those verse above are fundamental truth and has nothing to do with you as a Christian.

The church is not a marketplace, it is the house of God. it's not a business venture, it's not a place to come and find money, it is for true believer who want to live a meaningful live through christ. if you want money, you can go and work, whatever religion you're in, you will make money, simple, making money is never a criteria of Gods works, even a native doctor if they put themselves together can make money. Now all shade and manner of business men in suite and ties are now turning church to a miracle center, a center for where faith without works is the manner of the day.

You know what I close on this matter, don't expect a reply for me on this topic again, thanks.

No church is preaching that anyone should not work,
We need both physical and spiritual approach to many things
bible says the race is not to the swift and brightest
Only hard labour or hardwork is not enough to make it especially in Africa, you need God.
People don't come to church to pick money dropped from above but people gather together to pray in the church and to receive the word of God that will give them wisdom for good success,
When people ask for Gods intervention ,
they will receive divine favour, divine connection and divine intervention that will bring them good money.
God also uses influential members of the church to provide source of income to others that needs jobs or source of income.
People also come to church for other things that is different from money because we need God in every area of our lives.

Stayingalive:
you're beating around the bush and pushing statement and assumption I never made.
from what I can see you seem to be part of the people preaching the falsehood. But the bible is clear

2 Thessalonians 3:10 “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Proverbs 14:23 “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
Proverbs 12:11 “Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense.”

Those verse above are fundamental truth and has nothing to do with you as a Christian.

The church is not a marketplace, it is the house of God. it's not a business venture, it's not a place to come and find money, it is for true believer who want to live a meaningful live through christ. if you want money, you can go and work, whatever religion you're in, you will make money, simple, making money is never a criteria of Gods works, even a native doctor if they put themselves together can make money. Now all shade and manner of business men in suite and ties are now turning church to a miracle center, a center for where faith without works is the manner of the day.

You know what I close on this matter, don't expect a reply for me on this topic again, thanks.

No church is preaching that anyone should not work,
We need both physical and spiritual approach to many things
bible says in Ecclesiastes 9:11 that the race is not to the swift and brightest nor battle to the strong.
Only hard labour or hardwork is not enough to make it especially in Africa, you need God because there are evil people that want to waste your efforts spiritually
People don't come to church to pick money dropped from above but people gather together to pray in the church and to receive the word of God that will give them wisdom for good success,
When people ask for Gods intervention ,
they will receive divine favour, divine connection and divine intervention that will bring them good money.
God also uses influential members of the church to provide source of income to others that needs jobs or source of income.
People also come to church for other things that is different from money because we need God in every area of our lives.

Stayingalive:
you're beating around the bush and pushing statement and assumption I never made.
from what I can see you seem to be part of the people preaching the falsehood. But the bible is clear

2 Thessalonians 3:10 “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Proverbs 14:23 “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
Proverbs 12:11 “Those who work their land will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense.”

Those verse above are fundamental truth and has nothing to do with you as a Christian.

The church is not a marketplace, it is the house of God. it's not a business venture, it's not a place to come and find money, it is for true believer who want to live a meaningful live through christ. if you want money, you can go and work, whatever religion you're in, you will make money, simple, making money is never a criteria of Gods works, even a native doctor if they put themselves together can make money. Now all shade and manner of business men in suite and ties are now turning church to a miracle center, a center for where faith without works is the manner of the day.

You know what I close on this matter, don't expect a reply for me on this topic again, thanks.

No church is preaching that anyone should not work,
We need both physical and spiritual approach to many things
bible says in Ecclesiastes 9:11 that the race is not to the swift and brightest nor battle to the strong.
Only hard labour or hardwork is not enough to make it especially in Africa, you need God because there are evil people that want to waste your efforts spiritually
People don't come to church to pick money dropped from above but people gather together to pray in the church and to receive the word of God that will give them wisdom for good success,
When people ask for Gods intervention ,
they will receive divine favour, divine connection and divine intervention that will bring them good money.
God also uses influential members of the church to provide source of income to others that needs jobs or source of income.
People also come to church for other things that is different from money because we need God in every area of our lives.
There are things money can't buy that only Jesus will give

TOPMAN4LIFE:
I cannot jugde that now, but if what I am hearing is true that many Nigeria treasury looters hid and invested the money they stole in Dangote's business and get their dividends,
That means the money is evil.

What if Nigeria treasury looters did not invest in Dangote's business, so God gave him money?

Where do the money that Christians make come from, is it possible that their money too is from Nigeria treasury looters that invested in their business?

Truthseeker10:
What if Nigeria treasury looters did not invest in Dangote's business, so God gave him money?

Where do the money that Christians make come from, is it possible that their money too is from Nigeria treasury looters that invested in their business?

Money from clean sources is godly because God is known for being good and Devil is known for being evil.
Money made by Anyone including acclaimed Christians from illegal sources is evil.
Any money made while causing others pains
Is evil and should be discouraged

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Money from clean sources is godly because God is known for being good and Devil is known for being evil.
Money made by Anyone including acclaimed Christians from illegal sources is evil.
Any money makes while causing others pains
Is evil and should be discouraged

So do Muslims who do not engage in illegal or evil things get money from God?

Do Christians who do not engage in illegal or evil things get money from God?