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Image123:
Lolz, they don't want an open discussion. They want to win arguments.

Start by tell us who you say is God to God the Father.

Another version of trinity is that God the Father has a God. Wonders shall never end.

Truvelisback:
Why waste your time argueing with a Jehovah Witness member?

Most people are worried when they see the spirit with which Jehovah's Witnesses handle God's word and what Jesus commanded his disciples to do unlike you confused Churchians who only say one thing but doing another.
That's why they want to discuss with us.

Your pastors are scared of us because they knew very well that only Jehovah's Witnesses are making real disciples and baptizing them as commanded by Jesus Christ.

Can you mention the name of your own church?
NO!
WHY?
Because you don't know how to defend what your pastors taught you since it's not practicable among you so all of you are hiding behind anonymous just as Jesus foretold:

Then they will start saying to the mountains, ‘Fall over us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us over!’ Luke 23:30

Scriptural interpretation of mountains is religions so since you people can't stand to defend you false religions you are all hiding behind anonymous religions claiming denominations when it's obvious that you people are teaching contradicting things.

The only religion that's standing tall above all others is Jehovah's Witnesses just as Jesus foretold:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

Which of your churches has a unique form of teaching that's recognisable with few words?
None because all of you are confused as to what to teach that's why your leaders are contradicting themselves.
So any sincere person among you will be shocked to see the way Jehovah's Witnesses skillfully handles the word of God! 2Timothy 2:15

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

MaxInDHouse:
Most people are worried when they see the spirit with which Jehovah's Witnesses handle God's word and what Jesus commanded his disciples to do unlike you confused Churchians who only say one thing but doing another.
That's why they want to discuss with us.

Your pastors are scared of us because they knew very well that only Jehovah's Witnesses are making real disciples and baptizing them as commanded by Jesus Christ.

Can you mention the name of your own church?
NO!
WHY?
Because you don't know how to defend what your pastors taught you since it's not practicable among you so all of you are hiding behind anonymous just as Jesus foretold:

Then they will start saying to the mountains, ‘Fall over us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us over!’ Luke 23:30

Scriptural interpretation of mountains is religions so since you people can't stand to defend you false religions you are all hiding behind anonymous religions claiming denominations when it's obvious that you people are teaching contradicting things.

The only religion that's standing tall above all others is Jehovah's Witnesses just as Jesus foretold:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

Which of your churches has a unique form of teaching that's recognisable with few words?
None because all of you are confused as to what to teach that's why your leaders are contradicting themselves.
So any sincere person among you will be shocked to see the way Jehovah's Witnesses skillfully handles the word of God! 2Timothy 2:15

Yet you deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Isn't that ignorance?

Truvelisback:
Yet you deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Isn't that ignorance?

You are the ignorant one!

Jesus told everyone:

"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:16-18

What positive results has this so called "deity of Jesus Christ" produced in the midst of those claiming it?

If the idea is not yielding positive results among those adhering to it doesn't that tell you it's false going by what Jesus said with his own mouth?

You people have been teaching the deity of Jesus for centuries now with what result? There's nothing to write home about the teaching yet you want to argue and accusing a religion that's performing throughout the world which everyone could see their performance!

If it's not Jesus that's leading Jehovah's Witnesses organization how come they're the only organized religion that's actively preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom just as Jesus commanded? Matthew 28:19-20

How come it's only among them that true love exists? John 13:34-35

How come it's only among them that one line of thought is promoted? John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; 1Peter 3:15

How come it's only among them that marrying in the Lord is known globally? 1Corinthans 7:39

How come it's only them that doesn't participate in worldly politics which leads to hatred and killings everywhere? John 17:14-16 compare to Revelations 6:3-4

How come they are the only religion that could boast about none monetization of their sacred service? Matthew 6:24

Jesus himself has spoken:

 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ Matthew 15:8-9

So worshiping Jesus and claiming he is a deity is offside if it has not yield positive results for centuries that is enough evidence such a teaching is based on falsehood!

MaxInDHouse:
Both Jesus, angels, Adam and Eve predates time.
Anyone who exist before the rebellion in Eden predates time because there was nothing like time before sin set in it was after sin set in that time began and Adam had to die within a specified time so if Adam never sinned there won't be any need of time since we will all live forever!

Really? So you mean Adam and Eve were not on the Earth? Because I beg to differ.

Give scriptural verses to support this at least let me give you benefit of a doubt because using pure logic it's hogwash(Space and Time were made first) others came later.

Julia25:
Really? So you mean Adam and Eve were not on the Earth? Because I beg to differ.
Give scriptural verses to support this at least let me give you benefit of a doubt because using pure logic it's hogwash(Space and Time were made first) others came later.

Time became relevant the day God told Adam:
“Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life". ‭Genesis 3:17 NIV‬
Time started from that very moment, if God didn't make that declaration we have nothing to do with timing because we won't grow old or die so time would have been useless!

MaxInDHouse:
Time became relevant the day God told Adam:
“Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life". ‭Genesis 3:17 NIV‬
Time started from that very moment, if God didn't make that declaration we have nothing to do with timing because we won't grow old or die so time would have been useless!

And we were on Earth? that's wonderful. Perhaps, what you meant was God's sustenance 'shielded them from aging'? —Not that time didn't exist.

You can't have space without time, the two go hand in hand

Julia25:
And we were on Earth? that's wonderful. Perhaps, what you meant was God's sustenance 'shielded them from aging'? —Not that time didn't exist.
You can't have space without time, the two go hand in hand

It's time to enlighten you!

I don't hide knowledge from people who desire it so i will teach you for the benefit of interested followers of this thread.

God said He is the beginning and the end the alpha and Omega most people have translated this phrases in different ways but this is what it means!

God never had a beginning neither will God have an end what God is saying for humans is that the beginning of time and it's end is determined by Him because from the time God declared that Adam will die that's the beginning of time until the case is finally resolved and the same God declared everlasting life which means the end of time all the things that happened in between that period will be recorded forever.

So whether you agree or not it's the sin of Adam that pave way for a beginning of time and it will end when sin has been removed completely!

Julia25

Please post this your screenshot again. It is nowhere to be found and I could not quote it.

I want to use it and do something. Good to know you know you now know how to do screenshot.

Boomark:
Julia25

Please post this your screenshot again. It is nowhere to be found and I could not quote it.

I want to use it and do something. Good to know you know you now know how to do screenshot.

🤡, it was taken down along with some of my newer posts that quoted you

I will post it again, your lies will be exposed

Julia25:
🤡, it was taken down along with some of my newer posts that quoted you

I will post it again, your lies will be exposed

That's nice. Post it again.

Meanwhile see your colleague here. He couldn't post a screenshot of what he accused me of doing till today. Same pattern of making false statement is what I see in you. So I would want to know if that thing I mentioned in that screenshot is a general problem (the one that has to do with the brain).

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false/12#136179371

Brace yourself, you must answer all my questions about the screenshot first.

Boomark:
That's nice. Post it again.

Meanwhile see your colleague here. He couldn't post a screenshot of what he accused me of doing till today. Same pattern of making false statement is what I see in you. So I would want to know if that thing I mentioned in that screenshot is a general problem (the one that has to do with the brain).

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false/12#136179371

Brace yourself, you must answer all my questions about the screenshot first.

🥱See who is talking...shior...You that like to shy away from questioning — All mouth no show . Even from the one you have seen so far, did you see your contradiction? If not I will assume you are the one with (brain something) , projecting your ’ma...laa...dy’ to others.

Boomark:
Start by tell us who you say is God to God the Father.

Another version of trinity is that God the Father has a God. Wonders shall never end.

lol which version of Trinity is image123

I think the common one is that God is three persons, which obviously means God isn't a person and that's why they say things like God is the essence or a title that all three are.

So they have the Father who is God, the son who is also the same God, and the spirit who is as well God.

Some would even say well God made himself three persons, his first person is He as the Father, his second person/personality is Him as the son and his third is Him as the Holy Spirit and all three are still Him. And that's what makes him all powerful being able to be God but still not be a one person God at the same time.

Basically one has to believe this because God is all powerful and can do anything

Truvelisback:
It is not about what many feels, it is the truth. Except your Bible is saying otherwise. Isaiah confirmed it.

oh I guess you want to quote that place that seems to say in some English interpretation bibles concerning the mighty God mentioned in Isaiah, a verse that someone no new testament author quoted.

Nevertheless the less that same verse as a different interpretation from the Jewish septuagint, maybe that's why the apostles never used it 🤷🏾‍♂️

gohf:
lol which version of Trinity is image123

I think the common one is that God is three persons, which obviously means God isn't a person and that's why they say things like God is the essence or a title that all three are.

So they have the Father who is God, the son who is also the same God, and the spirit who is as well God.

Some would even say well God made himself three persons, his first person is He as the Father, his second person/personality is Him as the son and his third is Him as the Holy Spirit and all three are still Him. And that's what makes him all powerful being able to be God but still not be a one person God at the same time.

Basically one has to believe this because God is all powerful and can do anything

Their belief and misinterpretation of the scripture is shameful. See here where he said it and I have asked him to clearly state the name of the person but he has refused to do that.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136510501

When I say trinity doctrine is from the antichrist I know what am saying.

Julia25:
🥱See who is talking...shior...You that like to shy away from questioning — All mouth no show . Even from the one you have seen so far, did you see your contradiction? If not I will assume you are the one with (brain something) , projecting your ’ma...laa...dy’ to others.

Is the screenshot now difficult to post? That's what I use to catch 666 people.

See example of your "ma laa Dy" and ment ha pobem.

You didn't start twisting today or maybe poor understanding is the problem. See the date. That's before you ever asked me any question. Did you answer the one I told you to ask yourself. You will soon be passing the answers to me if you don't run like you brother Ken4...

Screenshot 1
After reading from the challenge thread, you twisted my stance to mean the bolded. I was like why are people so 'wee keh di.' Poor understanding + medulla oblongata wereyrism. I have to start explaining to you what you read and didn't understand.

Screenshot 2
That is trinity destroyer. I hope you answered the question. You will soon present your answer to me.

Post the screenshot and brace yourself. I will answer your question and you MUST answer mine.

Boomark:
Is the screenshot now difficult to post? That's what I use to catch 666 people.

See example of your "ma laa Dy" and ment ha pobem.

You didn't start twisting today or maybe poor understanding is the problem. See the date. That's before you ever asked me any question. Did you answer the one I told you to ask yourself. You will soon be passing the answers to me if you don't run like you brother Ken4...

Screenshot 1
After reading from the challenge thread, you twisted my stance to mean the bolded. I was like why are people so 'wee keh di.' Poor understanding + medulla oblongata wereyrism. I have to start explaining to you what you read and didn't understand.

Screenshot 2
That is trinity destroyer. I hope you answered the question. You will soon present your answer to me.

Post the screenshot and brace yourself. I will answer your question and you MUST answer mine.

🥱 That's your assertion and the implication of it , if you don't understand that, it's your problem.

I have asked you several questions which you didn't answer as you continue to shy away from them, repeatedly. Pls, ensure you take care of your condition.

Boomark:
Their belief and misinterpretation of the scripture is shameful. See here where he said it and I have asked him to clearly state the name of the person but he has refused to do that.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136510501

When I say trinity doctrine is from the antichrist I know what am saying.

lol just read it, not surprised.

Image123 you say God has a God
Should it not be your god has two gods

Boomark:
Is the screenshot now difficult to post? That's what I use to catch 666 people.

See example of your "ma laa Dy" and ment ha pobem.

You didn't start twisting today or maybe poor understanding is the problem. See the date. That's before you ever asked me any question. Did you answer the one I told you to ask yourself. You will soon be passing the answers to me if you don't run like you brother Ken4...

Screenshot 1
After reading from the challenge thread, you twisted my stance to mean the bolded. I was like why are people so 'wee keh di.' Poor understanding + medulla oblongata wereyrism. I have to start explaining to you what you read and didn't understand.

Screenshot 2
That is trinity destroyer. I hope you answered the question. You will soon present your answer to me.

Post the screenshot and brace yourself. I will answer your question and you MUST answer mine.

ah you are still replying to that Julia, I have blocked her since, can't be having a conversation with someone who doesn't read what she is responding to

Julia25:
🥱 That's your assertion and the implication of it , if you don't understand that, it's your problem.

I have asked you several questions which you didn't answer as you continue to shy away from them, repeatedly. Pls, ensure you take care of your condition.

That is your personal opinion.

My own assertion and implications is seen in my Claims and rebuttals with scriptures attached to them in the challenge thread.

If you don't understand simple english and bible, that is enough evidence to ment ha pobem and deh loo shion sent to those who have refused to believe the truth..

Posting screenshot is now a problem. You are not the 1st to run away. Ken your brother is the most recent even when he was given a blank cheque. He used idea with false accusations to run away.

Now you are beginning to realise that...

I am Boomark of One God

gohf:
ah you are still replying to that Julia, I have blocked her since, can't be having a conversation with someone who doesn't read what she is responding to

That's very bad. I will stop relying whatever she post unless she present the screenshot I asked if her. They all have a big problem.

gohf:
lol just read it, not surprised.

Image123 you say God has a God
Should it not be your god has two gods

He won't answer you. I told him to ask God for forgiveness publicly but he refused. You can see the spirit that is at work in them.

2 John 1:9 RSV
[9] Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son.

Trinitarians who have rejected all that Christ said about the Father and himself don't have God.

They are only doing the will of the antichrist.

Boomark:
That is your personal opinion.

My own assertion and implications is seen in my Claims and rebuttals with scriptures attached to them in the challenge thread.

If you don't understand simple english and bible, that is enough evidence to ment ha pobem and deh loo shion sent to those who have refused to believe the truth..

Posting screenshot is now a problem. You are not the 1st to run away. Ken your brother is the most recent even when he was given a blank cheque. He used idea with false accusations to run away.

Now you are beginning to realise that...

I am Boomark of One God

🥱🥱🥱 Still the same ludicrousness, nothing changed.

'my own implications' ? Just one of your 'implications', flashed before your eyes warranted this slippery nature of yours🥱, in a v...n bid not to answer my questions .

You are indeed boo mark of God 🥱.

Julia25:
🥱🥱🥱 Still the same ludicrousness, nothing changed.

'my own implications' ? Just one of your 'implications', flashed before your eyes warranted this slippery nature of yours🥱, in a v...n bid not to answer my questions .

You are indeed boo mark of God 🥱.

No screenshot no scripture.

Bye bye.

Indeed I am the Mark of God .

GabrielShow24 -

Did I ever provide you with my list of 20 verses against the deity of Christ?

DeepSight:
GabrielShow24 -

Did I ever provide you with my list of 20 verses against the deity of Christ?

Nope🤧, Let's see what you have🤔.

Gabrielshow24:
Nope🤧, Let's see what you have🤔.

Well here they are. I have reposted them several times since I first listed them on this board 12 years ago. Can you go at them one by one - rather than do what most people do by simply broadly waving them aside and proceeding to cite verses they think suport the deity of Christ.

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D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."


cc:

Tctrills
Boomark

DeepSight:
Well here they are. I have reposted them several times since I first listed them on this board 12 years ago. Can you go at them one by one - rather than do what most people do by simply broadly waving them aside and proceeding to cite verses they think suport the deity of Christ.

-----------------------



D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."


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Tctrills
Boomark

Wonderful lists. I will go over them with you. For your sake, I will put aside my sentiments and speak from an objective view. I will let you know when we will start.