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Sterope:
How do you explain people who dream of future events warnings, predictions that later unfold?

How do you explain those who feel sudden unease, an urge to check on a family member, and then discover something serious has happened death, accident, illness?

Have you ever seen true possession? Not the staged or exaggerated kind? No, possession is not always running mad or falling ill. Possession might even be good or neutral fyi.


Even in something as shallow as reality TV, there are cases where people visit fortune tellers who predict events. Some are false which is no surprise to me as a Muslim but others are accurate. How would you explain those?

What research have you actually done to test whether such things exist?

And if your judgement rests only on myths, many of which are exaggerated or outright false, that doesn’t mean the reality itself doesn’t exist.


Across the world, every culture regardless of language, colour, religion, or place shares a belief in the unseen. How do you explain that? Is it really reasonable to assume all our ancestors, across every civilisation, were completely wrong?

It’s the matrix, what they use to control order and squeeze out money from you
Science will help you see reality but you guys chose the hypocrites who comforts you with lies and claim it’s the only way they help you

Mariangeles:
I think It's more of the other way around, @bolded.

Well, except for the ones that departed untimely/suddenly (unfinished business).
They (their energy) linger around for a while, then fade with time to the other side.

You know, sometimes I wonder; what if we share the same space? We on our realm, and they on theirs.
I think the dreamland is the middle ground where the living and the dead meet.

That's what I am saying

Whether in dreams or reality, they got nothing on me

And Not a single answer to a single question.

Not all scientist even disbelieve in the existence of the events science cannot explain.

You are mistaken if you think I care about being deceived. I don't do religious leaders at all. What my religion gets out of me is charity to others, contribution to the mosque and its welfare. I am not interested in seeking out religious men for some bond.

obinna58:
It’s the matrix, what they use to control order and squeeze out money from you
Science will help you see reality but you guys chose the hypocrites who comforts you with lies and claim it’s the only way they help you

Sterope:
➜And Not a single answer to a single question. Not all scientist even disbelieve in the existence of the events science cannot explain. You are mistaken if you think I care about being deceived. I don't do religious leaders at all. What my religion gets out of me is charity to others, contribution to the mosque and its welfare. I am not interested in seeking out religious men for some bond.

To this day, there remains no evidence for any of the claims you made, though. So, how does one, in fact, go about answering any of what you said?

Sterope:
...⚈ Have you ever seen true possession? Not the staged or exaggerated kind? No, possession is not always running mad or falling ill. Possession might even be good or neutral fyi.

I have never seen a true possession, but what I have seen are people having psychotic episodes. So?

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One more thing possession, isn't always about a maniac or psychotic episode.

There are people possessed and nothing is wrong with them at all. Nothing negative just everyday not all life.

Kobojunkie:
To this day, there remains no evidence for any of the claims you made, though. So, how does one, in fact, go about answering any of what you said?
I have never seen a true possession, but what I have seen are people having psychotic episodes. So?

Sterope:
➜One more thing possession, isn't always about a maniac or psychotic episode.
➜ There are people possessed and nothing is wrong with them at all. Nothing negative just everyday not all life.

And conveniently, no one outside of your religious circles has ever witnessed these things firsthand. How come?

2. There are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet. Yet, I have never met or run into any of them. And no one has to date documented any actual possessions outside of religious closets. How come?

They do, there are Christians relatives that also witnessed and suggested Bible and the Church. We didn't worry about that because there was no need.

Over 8 billion that you have met?

There are people across cultures and places that are heavily into spiritualism and connecting to something higher than themselves today as it as always been for thousands of years. Have you managed to tap into any? Osun perhaps?

Aren't you a Christian, for some reason didn't Jesus cast out some demons?

Kobojunkie:
And conveniently, no one outside of your religious circles has ever witnessed these things firsthand. How come?

2. There are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet. Yet, I have never met or run into any of them. And no one has to date documented any actual possessions outside of religious closets. How come?

Sterope:
➜Lmao..No evidence for personal experience. Psychotic episodes, word salad and the whole lot, about a year, no hospital, no drug,...only prayers. Sometimes pain in one area, other times in another area, speech taken away for few weeks, sometimes mobility....but for some reason the person has been up and running for more than 8 years now since those episodes
➜ Oh! The first solution was medical fyi not spiritual and they are not stupid not superstitious people. Very well educated. The person responsible is well educated, a very good job and said as much as well. There are video and audio evidences and no I am not sharing. Even from an Islamic point of perspective though, I believe and we believe many mental issues aren't possession but just medical issues. So no, we are not obsessed in confusing both. Frankly, I don't care about your true possession experience. Again, speak to your personal experience. I am sticking to mine.

1. Psychotic episodes are not permanent and are not predictable. There are really no medications to cure them— it can pretty much happen to any one of us, really—, and yes, they can last and end at any time, just like that.

2. So, you had a psychotic episode then that lasted for a long time, like many of us have experienced, or are you literally claiming you were possessed? Which one?

Not me.

Psychotic episodes wasn't the only thing I mentioned. Again we are aware that they happen and how they happen. You read the part where medical solution was sought first?

So we know and very well aware. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Psychotic episodes are not permanent and are not predictable. There are really no medications to cure them— it can pretty much happen to any one of us, really—, and yes, they can last and end at any time, just like that.

2. So, you had a psychotic episode then that lasted for a long time, like many of us have experienced, or are you literally claiming you were possessed? Which one?

Sterope:
➜They do, there are Christians relatives that also witnessed and suggested Bible and the Church. We didn't worry about that because there was no need.
➜Over 8 billion that you have met? There are people across cultures and places that are heavily into spiritualism and connecting to something higher than themselves today as it as always been for thousands of years. Have you managed to tap into any? Osun perhaps?
Aren't you a Christian, for some reason didn't Jesus cast out some demons?

1. I think I was clear when I said no one outside of the religious circles; Christianity is a religion, right?

2. You know all of this amounts to spewing storyland gibberish to me, right? 🙄🙄

Again, there are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet with millions of videos created every single day of experiences had, yet not a single video created by those outside of religious circles verifying the claims of possessions to date. Why?

Sterope:
➜Not me. Psychotic episodes wasn't the only thing I mentioned. Again we are aware that they happen and how they happen. You read the part where medical solution was sought first? So we know and very well aware. Thank you.

So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

I am happy it sounds gibberish to you . You know you are just showing the limit of your understanding and experiences. And that is fine dear.

Why would they create a video?

If they created a video of a full blown possession, I wont take them seriously or disbelieve or see them as charlatans. Actually some of them once came up often on Instagram, muted them.

Kobojunkie:
1. I think I was clear when I said no one outside of the religious circles; Christianity is a religion, right?

2. You know all of this amounts to spewing storyland gibberish to me, right? 🙄🙄

Again, there are over 8,000,000,000 people on the planet with millions of videos created every single day of experiences had, yet not a single video created by those outside of religious circles verifying the claims of possessions to date. Why?

Yes we back, with limits of your understanding.

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

Sterope:
➜I am happy it sounds gibberish to you . You know you are just showing the limit of your understanding and experiences. And that is fine dear.
Why would they create a video?
If they created a video of a full blown possession, I wont take them seriously or disbelieve or see them as charlatans. Actually some of them once came up often on Instagram, muted them.

Not just a video but confirmation by a real doctor that the situation is indeed due to the presence of a foreign entity in that body— data and the works to back it up.

I don't understand you are so passionate about disbelieving and you are yet to find your way to a serious Osun or Babalawo.

Why?

Kobojunkie:
So, we are right back to where we started... without evidence to back up any of the things mentioned in your question, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

Sterope:
➜Yes we back, with limits of your understanding.

I am afraid you are mistaken. I am not the one here who is limited in understanding.

Sterope:
➜I don't understand you are so passionate about disbelieving
➜and you are yet to find your way to a serious Osun or Babalawo. Why?

My passion is not on disbelieving but on calling out frauds for the frauds they are.

2. I grew up next door to a babalawo — shrine and all. His kids were my friends, and we frequented his shrine every day we went over to hang out. I even had friends who were considered witches in the community, and not a single evidence they had any powers or intelligence of such. I can go on, but the point remains the same, doesn't it?

And that is fair. The question is if can indeed be proven scientifically or not?

Kobojunkie:
Not just a video but confirmation by a real doctor that the situation is indeed due to the presence of a foreign entity in that body— data and the works to back it up.

I remembered staying and restating that possession is not necessarily the way we see it. You might be possessed and not know it. It isn't always psychotic episode, disability, barrenenesa etc. It can even be positive and/or unharmful.

You grew up next to Babalawo tells me nothing about your research into the unseen.

Kobojunkie:
My passion is not on disbelieving but on calling out frauds for the frauds they are.

2. I grew up next door to a babalawo — shrine and all. His kids were my friends, and we frequented his shrine every day we went over to hang out. I even had friends who were considered witches in the community, and not a single evidence they had any powers or intelligence of such. I can go on, but the point remains the same, doesn't it?

Oh sure you are. 100%

Your understanding and experiences are limited. So curious but still afraid to venture out?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are mistaken. I am not the one here who is limited in understanding.

Sterope:
And that is fair. The question is if can indeed be proven scientifically or not?

Well, where are those cases, though?

Sterope:
➜I remembered staying and restating that possession is not necessarily the way we see it. You might be possessed and not know it. It isn't always psychotic episode, disability, barrenenesa etc. It can even be positive and/or unharmful.
➜You grew up next to Babalawo tells me nothing about your research into the unseen.

1. Ah! So the person who is possessed might not even be aware he/she is possessed? Honestly, this does not tell me anything! 🙄🙄🙄

2. I just added that so you see that I am no stranger to babalawos and local gods.

Sterope:
Oh sure you are. 100% Your understanding and experiences are limited. So curious but still afraid to venture out?

Curious about what I am 100% sure is all in your heads? 🥱🥱🥱

Of course, you want something dramatic to wow you. Sorry to disappoint you. It isn't always like that.

Yes, you grew up with them doesn't mean anything either. Again, venture out and do the leg work.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ah! So the person who is possessed might not even be aware he/she is possessed? Honestly, this does not tell me anything! 🙄🙄🙄

2. I just added that so you see that I am no stranger to babalawos and local gods.

Of course. Limited experience, limited understanding 🤗🤗🤗

Kobojunkie:
Curious about what I am 100% sure is all in your heads? 🥱🥱🥱

Sterope:
➜Of course, you want something dramatic to wow you. Sorry to disappoint you. It isn't always like that.
➜Yes, you grew up with them doesn't mean anything either. Again, venture out and do the leg work.

1. Something dramatic to wow me? Why would I want that?

2. Telling you I grew up around them and with their kids, some of whom went on to replace their fathers in the business, implies there is nothing even you can tell me about them. I already know a lot and enough to know the scam of it all.

Sterope:
Of course. Limited experience, limited understanding 🤗🤗🤗

You keep insisting on this yet without evidence... this is clearly the pattern with religion. Saying so much about nothing at all! 😐😐😐

You definitely want the drama.

I am very aware of the scam aspect of it. That si like the majority of it. I didn't grow up with them next to me. I have an interesting family. Again, this isn't new information.

Kobojunkie:
1. Something dramatic to wow me? Why would I want that?

2. Telling you I grew up around them and with their kids, some of whom went on to replace their fathers in the business, implies there is nothing even you can tell me about them. I already know a lot and enough to know the scam of it all.

Exactly, my point isn't for you to agree.

I stated my experience and you have stated yours.

Kobojunkie:
You keep insisting on this yet without evidence... this is clearly the pattern with religion. Saying so much about nothing at all! 😐😐😐

Sterope:
➜You definitely want the drama.
➜I am very aware of the scam aspect of it. That si like the majority of it. I didn't grow up with them next to me. I have an interesting family. Again, this isn't new information.

Wanting proof is tantamount to wanting drama? jeez! 🙄🙄🙄

2. You have never experienced a possession yourself, yet you are certain that a possession can happen without the possessed knowing or realizing it. Doesn't that immediately scream scam, right there?

Sterope:
➜Exactly, my point isn't for you to agree. I stated my experience and you have stated yours.

So, what you described earlier was your experience? Why did you state when asked that it was not?