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Goodenoch:
Don’t you think this conversation you’re having is better suited for DMs?

You're right tbh.

ehizario2012:
In my opinion, instead of even welcoming thoughts of increasing increasing ILR eligibility from five years, I'll say the UK can take away "benefits" from ILR and retain them for citizens. The average legal immigrant is not interested in benefits, most need the ILR just to get away from the shackles of CoS. Immigrants are ready to work hard, pay taxes, contribute to the society, while also saving up for their future. Citizenship eligibility can be increased to 20 years, that shouldn't be a problem. I don't think the average legal immigrant cares so much about citizenship.

Interesting concept.
In any case, the ship of 10-year ILR seems to be definitively setting sail - public opinion is hardening in that regard; even an ordinarily sober paper like The Times has run 2 articles explicitly calling for it, for instance. What I'd like is for the government to stop footing around and wasting time and come out with their plans so people can start to make any necessary readjustments to their plans as soon as possible.

KOVIC19COVID20:
Out of curiosity... I dont want to talk what is not factual (like one aunty did some weeks ago).

If a Lebanese man moves to Ikeja or Aba and sets up a Business. How long will it take for him to be eligible to become a Nigerian citizen?

Or, if a Xhosa babe from South Africa gets a job as data analyst with Dangote Cement factory in Ajakouta, Kogi state in 2020. How many more years remains for her to get Nigeria citizenship?

I honestly want to know the Nigeria rules around naturalisation and citizenship.

If you really did, you could've done a quick Google/AI search in the time it took to post.

Cyberknight:
Interesting concept.
In any case, the ship of 10-year ILR seems to be definitively setting sail - public opinion is hardening in that regard; even an ordinarily sober paper like The Times has run 2 articles explicitly calling for it, for instance. What I'd like is for the government to stop footing around and wasting time and come out with their plans so people can start to make any necessary readjustments to their plans as soon as possible.

Personally (and I might be wrong here), I think they're looking at the legal implications knowing that such change in legislation (especially if it's retrospective) will be challenged in courts. I believe that might be the consultations they're currently having. If it was that easy, they would have implemented it tey tey. My opinion.

Raalsalghul:
Personally (and I might be wrong here), I think they're looking at the legal implications knowing that such change in legislation (especially if it's retrospective) will be challenged in courts. I believe that might be the consultations they're currently having. If it was that easy, they would have implemented it tey tey. My opinion.

From experience, the Home Office is rarely afraid of legal challenges (as long as they are not in obvious breach of their rules). They have dedicated legal teams for that and are constantly fighting or defending decisions in the courts.

The consultation will likely aim to bottom out the detail of the proposed policies which are actually very complex in practice
- e..g what criteria should be used to assess earned settlement? What discounts to the qualifying period should be available? Should there be any transitional arrangements and for who? Should those on a 10yr route be given fee and IHS discounts post the 5yr mark...etc

Goke7:
Guy if you enter US with a green card today you can apply for citizenship after 5 years, if you enter Canada today with PR you can apply after 3 years, Canada is even more interesting cos if you have been there as a student or any other visa and had spent 3 years already once you get you PR the next day sef you can apply for citizenship as they count all those other years on previous visas so let’s always cross check properly before we think the Uk is doing one huge thing that’s not done elsewhere.

Citizenship is not the issue here it’s the benefits you can access from the day you have your ilr that’s the headache as the Uk is broke and many feel it will become more of a burden as more people attain ilr so please separate the issues properly cos that’s the problem in this country as everything get muddled together to confuse and misinform people. And as for those who say they don’t want benefits if they get ilr it has nothing to do with you but the laws and statues of the land where you dwell as we have so many categories of immigrants so be careful how you isolate yourself cos the country itself does not isolate you in any way to define what to give or grant you in terms of rights and privileges. In summary citizenship is not even mandatory and there is no compulsion to have it immediately after ilr and so many are in this country with just ilr for so many years while they maintain the citizenship of where they come from. Apologies for my long post

You've made good points, and it aligns with my thoughts. Agreeing that the two main reasons for the anti-immigration sentiments are the financial burden and dilution of the English culture, it's clear that if immigrants don't "request" for "benefits" with ILR the fear of eroding the UK finances would drastically die down. And those trying to impose their "culture and religion" on their host community, na dem Sabi!!!

jagbasneh:
Guy you're missing it up big time, first are you here legal or illegal, are you not contributing to the system, not everyone came in with care visa guy, do you know how much immigration subcharge cost per year now and multiple it to the numbers of years to qualify for ilr. And you are still going to pay for ilr fees which keep increasing, you are talking as if to get ilr and British pali na free. If anyone get ilr and fill like getting British pali let them have it, guy don't campaign against getting British pali in less than 10years moreover will are not the one that make the law in the first.

When asking for something, don't ask for too much. When given a foot, don't ask for a yard. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

More interesting news: as the first post-92 poly bites the dust, the govt might become deafer to the cries for the liberalised student visa regime to remain in some form.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85905dj2wo

Zahra29:
From experience, the Home Office is rarely afraid of legal challenges (as long as they are not in obvious breach of their rules). They have dedicated legal teams for that and are constantly fighting or defending decisions in the courts.

The consultation will likely aim to bottom out the detail of the proposed policies which are actually very complex in practice
- e..g what criteria should be used to assess earned settlement? What discounts to the qualifying period should be available? Should there be any transitional arrangements and for who? Should those on a 10yr route be given fee and IHS discounts post the 5yr mark...etc

Then they should hurry up.

Zahra29:
From experience, the Home Office is rarely afraid of legal challenges (as long as they are not in obvious breach of their rules). They have dedicated legal teams for that and are constantly fighting or defending decisions in the courts.

The consultation will likely aim to bottom out the detail of the proposed policies which are actually very complex in practice
- e..g what criteria should be used to assess earned settlement? What discounts to the qualifying period should be available? Should there be any transitional arrangements and for who? Should those on a 10yr route be given fee and IHS discounts post the 5yr mark...etc

I'll second that. Apart from the general govt confidence in the resource-related inequality of arms in its favour in litigation (in particular by exhausting all avenues and its litigants by taking cases all the way to higher instances where litigants cant afford to follow), two departments that rarely shy away from going to court are the Home Office and the DWP. Specifically because their opponents in court are usually people for whom the public is likely to have little or no sympathy (benefits claimants and migrants).

Raalsalghul:
Then they should hurry up.

Say it louder, that's what we want.

KOVIC19COVID20:
Out of curiosity... I dont want to talk what is not factual (like one aunty did some weeks ago).

If a Lebanese man moves to Ikeja or Aba and sets up a Business. How long will it take for him to be eligible to become a Nigerian citizen?

Or, if a Xhosa babe from South Africa gets a job as data analyst with Dangote Cement factory in Ajakouta, Kogi state in 2020. How many more years remains for her to get Nigeria citizenship?

I honestly want to know the Nigeria rules around naturalisation and citizenship.

15 Years.

Don’t ask me whether after 15 years, the new Nigerian Citizen has all the rights and privileges of a Nigerian INDIGENE.

But they don't have to pay through their nose, right?

ReesheesuKnack:
15 Years.

Don’t ask me whether after 15 years, the new Nigerian Citizen has all the rights and privileges of a Nigerian INDIGENE.

Good afternoon everyone, I’m Adeshina, a student of University of Hull who just got into the UK. I’m looking into settling down, so I’m kindly asking if there is anyone that can help🙏🏼 with information or guidance on how to get accommodation and a job. Looking forward to your kind responses. God bless you all.

ReesheesuKnack:
15 Years.

Don’t ask me whether after 15 years, the new Nigerian Citizen has all the rights and privileges of a Nigerian INDIGENE.

Thank you very much. 15 Years to become a Nigerian Citizen. Good to know.

Again, thnk you very much. Not minding the vuvuzelas that can only make noise and not give any answers when someone asks a question they do not know the answer to.

Adeshina456:
Good afternoon everyone, I’m Adeshina, a student of University of Hull who just got into the UK. I’m looking into settling down, so I’m kindly asking if there is anyone that can help🙏🏼 with information or guidance on how to get accommodation and a job. Looking forward to your kind responses. God bless you all.

For accomodation, you should look at websites such as SpareRoom. You might as your school international office/officers.
For jobs, Im not sure if Hull has improved, but last I knew, there were very very few jobs in Hull (in comparison to more bustling cities like London and Manchester. But I might be wrong. Things may have changed.

Cyberknight:
Interesting concept.
In any case, the ship of 10-year ILR seems to be definitively setting sail - public opinion is hardening in that regard; even an ordinarily sober paper like The Times has run 2 articles explicitly calling for it, for instance. What I'd like is for the government to stop footing around and wasting time and come out with their plans so people can start to make any necessary readjustments to their plans as soon as possible.

This week might be "Immigration Week" in the news calendar.

Sky News is hosting an Immigration debate this evening with representatives from the main parties.

https://news.sky.com/story/full-line-up-revealed-for-sky-news-the-immigration-debate-13427718

Cyberknight:
I'll second that. Apart from the general govt confidence in the resource-related inequality of arms in its favour in litigation (in particular by exhausting all avenues and its litigants by taking cases all the way to higher instances where litigants cant afford to follow), two departments that rarely shy away from going to court are the Home Office and the DWP. Specifically because their opponents in court are usually people for whom the public is likely to have little or no sympathy (benefits claimants and migrants).

Add HMRC to the list. Dedicated Tax Collectors lol

They've even taken high profile personalities, radio and TV presenters etc, to court over IR35.

Gary Lineker recently won his 7 year tax battle. Not many have the pockets to fight for that long.

ReesheesuKnack:
15 Years.

Don’t ask me whether after 15 years, the new Nigerian Citizen has all the rights and privileges of a Nigerian INDIGENE.

15 years! Blimey...

Is there an interim permanent resident status at least that confers some rights and benefits?

Zahra29:
15 years! Blimey...

Is there an interim permanent resident status at least that confers some rights and benefits?

After that 15 years, Lagosians would come with their own wahala again, even if he owns a company with permanent buildings in Lagos... Let's pray for favour because if we consider where we come from as a benchmark ehn!! Our own sef plenty for bodi, e dey our bodi! Nigerians

gabiomoesu:
@Brine

Thanks very much for your answers. I really appreciate it!

Godenoch's right indeed. It's getting a bit sensitive. I've tried to PM you earlier but I think I've lost access to the email associated with this moniker. If you’re cool with it, I can send you my Discord tag (or Telegram link) on a dead thread. That way we can chat move the convo away from here.

Don't move the convo away, a lot of us are following with keen interest and taking down notes. E.g, I had a question about initial funding but someone else asked it and it was answered.

Thank you @Brine for sharing this useful information with open heart.

Charlie Kirk…wow, just wow

Jamesclooney:
Charlie Kirk…wow, just wow

Saw the news on facebook and went to bbc and they have it too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

I saw the video of the shooting, hopefully they will now take gun law seriously..kidding they will not.

justwise:
Saw the news on facebook and went to bbc and they have it too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c206zm81z4gt

I saw the video of the shooting, hopefully they will now take gun law seriously..kidding they will not.

You want to take away their right to freedom 😂

Goke7:
You want to take away their right to freedom 😂

Yup, the right to die by gun shot.

Brainless bunch of people. I only feel sorry for the actual victims of mass shooting.

justwise:
Yup, the right to die by gun shot.

Brainless bunch of people. I only feel sorry for the actual victims of mass shooting.

😞 so sad the guy himself is gone!

Politics in the west is going in a direction that needs to be in the reverse. Folks need to calm down, I hope the uk begins to learn and know this. Politicians should please stop dividing us

Goke7:
Politics in the west is going in a direction that needs to be in the reverse. Folks need to calm down, I hope the uk begins to learn and know this. Politicians should please stop dividing us

Politicians of all colours.... Imagine John McDonald calling Nigel Farage an Adolf Hitler.

Seriously...this has to stop

missb50:
But they don't have to pay through their nose, right?

When you have done your research, and known how much a foreigner will have to pay in visa costs and renewals for the 15 year period, then you can come back here and we can have a conversation about paying ‘through their noses’.

ehizario2012:
After that 15 years, Lagosians would come with their own wahala again, even if he owns a company with permanent buildings in Lagos... Let's pray for favour because if we consider where we come from as a benchmark ehn!! Our own sef plenty for bodi, e dey our bodi! Nigerians

Lagosians?
I wish the issue was only restricted to ‘Lagosians’.
Whereas Lagos has its issues, the Lagos state House of Assembly could have Osawe, Osaze, Isibhakhomen, Olusola (from Ekiti) or Adewale (from Oșògbò) as members of state parliament.
Can you say the same thing in Edo, Delta, Imo, Plateau or Kebbi states?

Even those who are citizens (read: Indigenes), have different rights from Indigenes.


I think that needs to change about Nigeria.

Zahra29:
15 years! Blimey...

Is there an interim permanent resident status at least that confers some rights and benefits?

After 15 years, you will have the right to vote (and to be voted for, at least on paper).
It is when you attempt to contest to be the councillor of the village where you have lived for 15+ years. That’s when you will know if you are a citizen of Nigeria or an Indigene of Nigeria.

Goke7:
😞 so sad the guy himself is gone!

Sad? Oh well… definitely not the word I will use, this is more of… ask it shall be given to you , he said that gun death is part of American reality and exchange for preserving 2nd amendment rights