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RightChannel:
You need it most with the meaning of Church that you said it ONLY means "CONGREGATION" and not the building. I believe you can see what Matthew 16:18 says!

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 16:18 is not about a building because Jesus said location doesn't matter in pure worship {John 4:23-24} so it's the gathering of Christians he meant not a building that's stationed in one particular place!

RightChannel:
If not about building, it is about singing right?
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;

MaxInDHouse:
Funny Church man it's about gathering faithful people that's why Paul used the same word @ 1Corinthans 14:4

Each member constitutes the material used in building a congregation (church) not a stationed building! Ephesians 4:12

RightChannel:
Is the verse about gathering, can't you comprehend simple English!
Does Jesus said on this rock I will gather my Church or he mention anything Hall?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy that's an idiomatic expression something Jesus often use at least you can see that he said pure worship is no longer a thing of location! John 4:23-24

MaxInDHouse:
Guy that's an idiomatic expression something Jesus often use at least you can see that he said pure worship is no longer a thing of location! John 4:23-24

RightChannel:
Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?

MaxInDHouse:
The word "Peter" means "ROCK" so use your brain to f!

RightChanneI:
So you haven't see a house built on the rock before right? Guy, check your cerebellum!
Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't have knowledge and at the same time not humble to learn.

Check Encyclopedia, Wikipedia or Google for the meaning of that word PETER before thinking of how to argue what you don't know!

RightChanneI:
The last time I recommended for you dictionary and google after you said Church ONLY means gathering, you condemned it. Is it not the same google you are now ro man cing with, who need knowledge between you and I?
Jesus said upon this rock I will build my Church. Let me now refer you back to encyclopedia, wikipedia, google and dictionary for the meaning of rock.
Jesus used rock in Mathews 16:18 because of the solidify and strongest of this so that the gate of hell shall not prevail against it!
A house built on a stable rock foundation is stronger and more durable than one built on ground like sand
YOU ARE REALLY TRYING HARD TO SHIFT THE GOAL POST BY AVOIDING THESE TWO LOVELY QUESTIONS!
1. Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?
2. Where is your HALL found in Bible unlike the word Church that is read from the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Church according to God's word means congregation not building that's what you have been running around for since and i'm ready to prove it to you that you are wrong!

This is what Jesus said:

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Matthew 16:18 NIV‬


Peter means ROCK so Jesus is building his congregation on the immovable faith of this apostle not a building stationed in a location.

Which church did Jesus build afterwards if not congregations built on Peter's unshakable faith?

First of all Jesus asked a question that's confusing to most people who knew him in the first century {Matthew 16:13} the response of his disciples shows there is lot of misconceptions regarding Jesus' real identity {Matthew 16:14} so Jesus now directed the question to his disciples {Matthew 16:15} at that Peter said:


“You are the Messiah (Christ), the Son of the living God.”
Matthew 16:16 NIV‬

So Peter the Rock gave a perfect answer that's why Jesus said it's on that platform he will build his congregation meaning whoever wants to become a believer in Christ must accept that Jesus is the Christ the only begotten Son of God not that he is building a worship center o!

RightChannel:
With the use of Encyclopedia, Wikipedia or Google you are now ro man cing with, what is the meaning 0f Church?


YOU ARE REALLY TRYING HARD TO SHIFT THE GOAL POST BY AVOIDING THESE TWO LOVELY QUESTIONS!


1. Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?

2. Where is your HALL found in Bible unlike the word Church that is read from the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Next time don't jump into a discussion that you know nothing about, this isn't about give and take where you are waiting to throw insults here and there.

Learn to be humble, the word CHURCH according to God's word means CONGREGATION not a building.

Cheers!

RightChannel:
😂😂

Antilam my Brother come and see this i gn or ant boy!

After checking dictionary the meaning of Church in which he was disappointed with the meaning he got from dictionary, he quickly shift his attention to asking Jesus!


Ohh my God, I don laugh 😂😂😂😂 my stomach oooo

RightChannel:
Don't tell me you want to run away for my questions!

You previously said the word Church ONLY means GATHERING and not building. After you were exposed, you turn it to asking Jesus for the meaning thereby condemning what the meaning is from google, wikipedia, etc you are now ro man cing with.

Meanwhile, Mathews 16:18 used the word "BUILD" and I told you Church can mean two things, first is gathering of the children of God and second is BUILDING depending on what you are using it for in a sentence!

Perhaps you should check for the meaning of BUILD from google, encyclopedia and wikipedia so as to stop confusing yourself again!

Take these questions back home when next you will be gathering inside hall for your meeting..

1. Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?

2. Where is your HALL found in Bible unlike the word Church that is read from the Bible?


Take care!

RightChannel:
Do not deviate!

Where is your HALL written in Bible?

RightChannel:
Don't tell me you want to run away for my questions!

You previously said the word Church ONLY means GATHERING and not building. After you were exposed, you turn it to asking Jesus for the meaning thereby condemning what the meaning is from google, wikipedia, etc you are now ro man cing with.

Meanwhile, Mathews 16:18 used the word "BUILD" and I told you Church can mean two things, first is gathering of the children of God and second is BUILDING depending on what you are using it for in a sentence!

Perhaps you should check for the meaning of BUILD from google, encyclopedia and wikipedia so as to stop confusing yourself again!

RightChannel:
Take these questions back home when next you will be gathering inside hall for your meeting..

1. Is "upon this rock I will build my church" an idiomatic phrase?

2. Where is your HALL found in Bible unlike the word Church that is read from the Bible?


Take care!

You lack understanding.
This fact is very glaring.
Oga, is "rock" @ Matt 17:18 a reference to a physical feature ?
Is every church you know,built on a rock?
Is gate of hades ("hell" a physical structure that can not prevail over the church you call a building?

Oga, wise up ,I dey beg you .

RightChannel:
If not about building, it is about singing right?

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;

Oga, go and rest

Please stop deceiving yourself

MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing worthwhile in speaking a language which your neighbor doesn't understands yet you keep speaking just to prove you speak jargons!

Janosky:
Biblehub.com/ Matthew 16-18/htm

"I will build My church"
This is the first mention of the word "church" in the New Testament, derived from the Greek "ekklesia," meaning a called-out assembly. Jesus' use of "My church" indicates ownership and a personal relationship with His followers. The future tense "will build" suggests the ongoing and progressive nature of the church's growth, beginning with the apostles and continuing through history. This statement also implies divine initiative and authority in the establishment and expansion of the church.


Persons / Places / Events
1. Jesus Christ
The speaker of this verse, Jesus is the central figure of the New Testament, the Son of God, and the Messiah.

2. Peter (Simon Peter)
Originally named Simon, Jesus renames him Peter (Petros in Greek, meaning "rock", signifying his foundational role in the early church.

3. The Church
The community of believers that Jesus refers to as "My church," indicating ownership and divine authority


Oga, go and rest

Please stop deceiving yourself

Janosky:
So,nobody built you from the womb to your present age?
The assembly of believers (church/congregation) are not built over time to experience growth?
1Cor13:11 is in your Bible.
Paul grew ,was built up physically & spiritually.
You hear?



Response to your Questions 1 &2.
You lack understanding.
This fact is very glaring.
Oga, is "rock" @ Matt 17:18 a reference to a physical feature ?
Is every church you know,built on a rock?
Is gate of hades ("hell" a physical structure that can not prevail over the church you call a building?

Oga, wise up ,I dey beg you .
.

2.
Synagogue is a hall where Jewish believers (of Judaism) gather for instruction & worship.
The kingdom hall is a semblance of the synagogue arrangement.
Acts 19:8-9, Paul preached and taught in both the hall and a synagogue.
Based on this scripture ,the JW's practice of meeting for Bible study and worship in the kingdom hall (the name we call the meeting place) is a biblical practice and principle copied from Jehovah's people in your Bible ,Hebrews 10:24, Acts 2:42, Deuteronomy 31:12.
"8 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God. 9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus. "

Janosky:

Acts 19:8-9 is in your Bible.
Oga what was Paul doing in the hall in that verse?

Meeting for worship and instruction in our kingdom hall is a scriptural practice?
..Yes ,it is.

Is the words "kingdom" & "hall " found in your Bible?

Pls respond.
We dey wait, no delay.

RightChannel:
Where is your HALL written in Bible?

Does the word Church ONLY means GATHERING?

No long story, just type YES or NO!

Janosky:
Yes, Gathering of people, Congregation, Assembly, Church. According to your Bible.
I have referenced Biblehub explanation on church as people,but you seem to prefer your personal opinions rather than the holy scriptures.

Janosky:
Acts 19:8-9 Paul was teaching in a hall.
HALL is written in my Bible as a place,venue ,building.
Acts 19:8-9 evidence.
Synagogue is also a hall,no issues.
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RightChannel:
So according to your elders in JWs, church can NEVER means Building?

Is this how they gather you inside hall and get you brainwashed?

RightChannel:
You removed synagogue and inserted HALL just to suit your ignorance, is that version according to your JWs founder?

Janosky:
Oga,why are you so disrespectful?
Let's see your own screenshot definition of church hall proven your claim is FALSE.

Church hall :" a large room belonging to a (building according to Right channel moniker ,but his Bible says people is church),for meetings.."
Oga Right channel says church hall belongs to a building not to a people meeting there.
Very big error.


Do you call your own church hall a synagogue?

You are so bold to deny Acts 19:8-9 & still be forming christian.
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