Matthew 19

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

To those who are fervent supporters of the prosperity gospel, how does this verse fit into your 'prosperity theology'?

God has blessed us in his riches and abundance..[Phil 4:19] Jesus was just saying his own..

musKeeto: Matthew 19


To those who are fervent supporters of the prosperity gospel, how does this verse fit into your 'prosperity theology'?

Duh, an incidence is not necessarily a command for all. You can as well pick some two verses from God telling Abraham to offer his son and ask derisive questions.

Ramon92: God has blessed us in his riches and abundance..[Phil 4:19] Jesus was just saying his own..

and if they tell you paul founded xtianity, u will say no

musKeeto: Matthew 19


To those who are fervent supporters of the prosperity gospel, how does this verse fit into your 'prosperity theology'?

Though the Lord Jesus Christ was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich" (2 Cor.8:9). Christ became poor for us, that we might become rich IN HIM. The poverty and wealth spoken of in this verse could be taken spiritually. But the context in which the verse appears indicates that the Holy Spirit is speaking of material poverty and material riches as well. What does it mean "to be rich"? It does not mean having plenty of money and property, but rather having enough to meet our needs and some extra to help and bless others with. Being rich is described in Revelation 3:17 as "having need of nothing". That is how God is rich. God does not have silver or gold or a bank account or even a wallet. But He has need of nothing. Jesus was not poor when He was on earth, for He had "need of nothing". He could even provide a meal once for about 10,000 people - 5000 men, and a number of women and children (Matt.14:21). Only a rich man could do that! He had enough money to pay His taxes (Matt.17:27). He never had to borrow money from anyone at any time. And He even had enough money to give to the poor ( John 13:29). Jesus once said, "The poor you have with you always, but you do not always have Me" (Matt.26:11). There He contrasted Himself with the poor. On another occasion, when Jesus told a rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, Jesus was certainly not including Himself also among the poor to whom the money was to be given!! No. It is clear that Jesus was rich when He was on earth in this sense: He lacked nothing. The early apostles too were not poor. When they told the believers "to remember the poor" (Gal.2:10), they were not asking the believers to remember them!! No. Those apostles may not have had silver and gold (Acts 3:6). But they had all that they needed. In this way they were rich like their Master before them. That is how God wants us to be rich too. But we see that Jesus did become poor when he hung on the cross. A poor man is described in the New Testament as one who has "threadbare clothing" (Jas.2:2). The poorest beggar we have seen usually has at least a torn rag around his body. But Jesus did not have even that when He
was crucified. He was stripped naked and
crucified. He really became poor for our sakes, when He was crucified. Jesus became poor on the cross, so that we might become rich - or in other words, that we might have "need of nothing" in our lives. God has not promised to give us all that we want, but all that we need (Phil.4:19). Wise parents do not give their children all that they want or ask for, but only all that they need. So with God too. The old covenant promised earthly wealth to those who obeyed the Law. But under the new covenant, God promises that if we seek His kingdom first and His righteousness, He will give us something even better: Everything that we need for life on this earth (Matt.6:33; see also 2 Pet.1:4). The Bible clearly teaches that riches are both deceitful and uncertain (Matt.13:22; 1 Tim.6:17). So it is dangerous to desire riches or to long to have more and more money (1 Tim.6:10). But God's promise is something far more glorious: He will always give us "all that we need, according to his riches in glory IN Christ Jesus" (Phil.4:19). Do you find you cannot make ends meet with the salary that you earn? Since God draws everyone's financial boundaries, it is impossible for Him not to give His children enough for their earthly needs. Your lack must then be because the blessing of God is not on your life. Maybe you are lazy, or wasting money, or living in a selfish way, violating God's laws. If you are rich towards God, God will be rich towards you as well. Let me tell you the good news of the gospel: It is not God's will that His children should live with constant financial lack in their earthly lives. However high the cost of living may be, those who seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first in their lives will always find that their earthly needs are met. If that does not happen, we would have to say that Jesus was a liar - for that is what He clearly promised (Matt. 6:33). Jesus became poor - so that we might be rich. So we need never live with a lack in our lives. We need have no fear about the
future - either for ourselves or for our children. Jesus has purchased the provision of every earthly need for us and our family-members - on the cross. Unfortunately, money-loving preachers (especially in the last thirty years or so) have exaggerated and misunderstood this truth and turned it into an excuse to preach a "prosperity-gospel" - teaching that Jesus came to make us wealthy millionaires. That is a falsehood and a misrepresentation of the truth. God has not promised us wealth in the new covenant, but something far better - all that we need.

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Duh, an incidence is not necessarily a command for all. You can as well pick some two verses from God telling Abraham to offer his son and ask derisive questions.

How do you explain this: And he said unto them, take heed and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. Luke 12:15 Was this a one off too? The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath senth me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Luke 4:18-19. He never talked about being making people wealthy here on earth, in what was apparantely a mission statement. Correct me if Iam right.

Rilwayne001:

and if they tell you paul founded xtianity, u will say no

If Christianity is unacceptable to God as you think, then why are satanist rejoicing when a Bible got burnt?
https://www.nairaland.com/1867043/nigerian-couple-burns-bible-due
Why do satanist hate Jehovah God? Why do they hate Christians?
https://www.nairaland.com/1855242/banishing-jehovah

It is obvious from many of the comments here that many so called believers are not followers of Jesus but followers of mammon and material riches.

Smh.

frosbel: It is obvious from many of the comments here that many so called believers are not followers of Jesus but followers of mammon and material riches.

Smh.

I get your point,and I understand were you are goin,jesus is not a poor man, he is rich,richness dos not mean have enough money.you will never lack that what richness mean.jesus never lack anytin,even the apostles were not poor.when jesus make this statement he was talkin of material wealth," the poor you will have with you always but ME you will not "he deny bein poor.bible say HE BECAME POOR SO THAT WE WILL BECAME RICH,dosent mean over riches like this pastor,meanwhile am not in support of this nigerian rich pastor.

The church I attend is military church, eat tithe money, you will know what will happen to you, nothin like first fruit or sow seed offering.

malvisguy212: I get your point,and I understand were you are goin,jesus is not a poor man, he is rich,richness dos not mean have enough money.you will never lack that what richness mean.jesus never lack anytin,even the apostles were not poor.when jesus make this statement he was talkin of material wealth," the poor you will have with you always but ME you will not "he deny bein poor.bible say HE BECAME POOR SO THAT WE WILL BECAME RICH,dosent mean over riches like this pastor,meanwhile am not in support of this nigerian rich pastor.

The church I attend is military church, eat tithe money, you will know what will happen to you, nothin like first fruit or sow seed offering.

Nobody is disputing the fact that he had everything he wanted in heaven and could have chosen a lifestyle of opulence while on earth. But nothing about him potrayed wealth while on earth. He lived on charity all through. Rode on borrowed colt, was buried in a donated tomb. If the purse was overflowing, judas would have no motive for an extra income 'cause what they had in collections was really small. And this is from Isaiah. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness: and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:2. It is a perversion of the gospel to promise people earthly and material things to believe in Christ.

seagulsntrawler: Nobody is disputing the fact that he had everything he wanted in heaven and could have chosen a lifestyle of opulence while on earth. But nothing about him potrayed wealth while on earth. He lived on charity all through. Rode on borrowed colt, was buried in a donated tomb. If the purse was overflowing, judas would have no motive for an extra income 'cause what they had in collections was really small. And this is from Isaiah. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness: and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:2. It is a perversion of the gospel to promise people earthly and material things to believe in Christ.

you are right, but I want you to know that riches dos not mean excess wealth,do you know what it meant to be poor?God dos not created us to be poor,when God created adam and eve, he did not create them with money, but he give them everytin they ever would ever needed.even the bible say "God will provide for your need"

The op is very very confused. He though jesus is poor, he though that haven excess money is what God called riches,just check the life style of jesus and adam when he was still in the garden of eden, that is how God want us to live our life, though the both of them did not have money but they never lack anytin.

malvisguy212: Though the Lord Jesus Christ was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich" (2 Cor.8:9). Christ became poor for us, that we might become rich IN HIM. The poverty and wealth spoken of in this verse could be taken spiritually. But the context in which the verse appears indicates that the Holy Spirit is speaking of material poverty and material riches as well. What does it mean "to be rich"? It does not mean having plenty of money and property, but rather having enough to meet our needs and some extra to help and bless others with. Being rich is described in Revelation 3:17 as "having need of nothing". That is how God is rich. God does not have silver or gold or a bank account or even a wallet. But He has need of nothing. Jesus was not poor when He was on earth, for He had "need of nothing". He could even provide a meal once for about 10,000 people - 5000 men, and a number of women and children (Matt.14:21). Only a rich man could do that! He had enough money to pay His taxes (Matt.17:27). He never had to borrow money from anyone at any time. And He even had enough money to give to the poor ( John 13:29). Jesus once said, "The poor you have with you always, but you do not always have Me" (Matt.26:11). There He contrasted Himself with the poor. On another occasion, when Jesus told a rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, Jesus was certainly not including Himself also among the poor to whom the money was to be given!! No. It is clear that Jesus was rich when He was on earth in this sense: He lacked nothing. The early apostles too were not poor. When they told the believers "to remember the poor" (Gal.2:10), they were not asking the believers to remember them!! No. Those apostles may not have had silver and gold (Acts 3:6). But they had all that they needed. In this way they were rich like their Master before them. That is how God wants us to be rich too. But we see that Jesus did become poor when he hung on the cross. A poor man is described in the New Testament as one who has "threadbare clothing" (Jas.2:2). The poorest beggar we have seen usually has at least a torn rag around his body. But Jesus did not have even that when He
was crucified. He was stripped naked and
crucified. He really became poor for our sakes, when He was crucified. Jesus became poor on the cross, so that we might become rich - or in other words, that we might have "need of nothing" in our lives. God has not promised to give us all that we want, but all that we need (Phil.4:19). Wise parents do not give their children all that they want or ask for, but only all that they need. So with God too. The old covenant promised earthly wealth to those who obeyed the Law. But under the new covenant, God promises that if we seek His kingdom first and His righteousness, He will give us something even better: Everything that we need for life on this earth (Matt.6:33; see also 2 Pet.1:4). The Bible clearly teaches that riches are both deceitful and uncertain (Matt.13:22; 1 Tim.6:17). So it is dangerous to desire riches or to long to have more and more money (1 Tim.6:10). But God's promise is something far more glorious: He will always give us "all that we need, according to his riches in glory IN Christ Jesus" (Phil.4:19). Do you find you cannot make ends meet with the salary that you earn? Since God draws everyone's financial boundaries, it is impossible for Him not to give His children enough for their earthly needs. Your lack must then be because the blessing of God is not on your life. Maybe you are lazy, or wasting money, or living in a selfish way, violating God's laws. If you are rich towards God, God will be rich towards you as well. Let me tell you the good news of the gospel: It is not God's will that His children should live with constant financial lack in their earthly lives. However high the cost of living may be, those who seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first in their lives will always find that their earthly needs are met. If that does not happen, we would have to say that Jesus was a liar - for that is what He clearly promised (Matt. 6:33). Jesus became poor - so that we might be rich. So we need never live with a lack in our lives. We need have no fear about the
future - either for ourselves or for our children. Jesus has purchased the provision of every earthly need for us and our family-members - on the cross. Unfortunately, money-loving preachers (especially in the last thirty years or so) have exaggerated and misunderstood this truth and turned it into an excuse to preach a "prosperity-gospel" - teaching that Jesus came to make us wealthy millionaires. That is a falsehood and a misrepresentation of the truth. God has not promised us wealth in the new covenant, but something far better - all that we need.

a sitting ovation this.

malvisguy212: you are right, but I want you to know that riches dos not mean excess wealth,do you know what it meant to be poor?God dos not created us to be poor,when God created adam and eve, he did not create them with money, but he give them everytin they ever would ever needed.even the bible say "God will provide for your need"

The op is very very confused. He though jesus is poor, he though that haven excess money is what God called riches,just check the life style of jesus and adam when he was still in the garden of eden, that is how God want us to live our life, though the both of them did not have money but they never lack anytin.

True, God promised to take care of our needs but not our greed. What you are, before Him is not a function of how rich you are. Being rich or wealthy must be seen by christians as an underseved favor from God and must be a means to lift and help the poor and needy. It shouldn't take anything away from the humility of christ. He said 'man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

malvisguy212: you are right, but I want you to know that riches dos not mean excess wealth,do you know what it meant to be poor?God dos not created us to be poor,when God created adam and eve, he did not create them with money, but he give them everytin they ever would ever needed.even the bible say "God will provide for your need"

The op is very very confused. He though jesus is poor, he though that haven excess money is what God called riches,just check the life style of jesus and adam when he was still in the garden of eden, that is how God want us to live our life, though the both of them did not have money but they never lack anytin.

The most distinct features about his ministry while on earth was salvation. The Gospel of christ as a means to acquiring wealth is decietful to say the least cos he asked his followers not to worry about their needs that God will provide. I don't think you will find where he made anybody rich in the scripture. Lastly, we used to sing and pray for the blessings of abraham, the father of our faith. God made him very rich while on earth but he had greater blessings(riches) than that cos we are part of his heritage. Can you point out any of his worldly asset still standing today be it houses, servants etc.?

[quote author=seagulsntrawler] The most distinct features about his ministry while on earth was salvation. The Gospel of christ as a means to acquiring wealth is decietful to say the least cos HE ASKED HIS FOLLOWERS NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THERE NEED THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE. I don't think you will find where he made anybody rich in the scripture. Lastly, we used to sing and pray for the blessings of abraham, the father of our faith. God made him very rich while on earth but he had greater blessings(riches) than that cos we are part of his heritage. Can you point out any of his worldly asset still standing today be it houses, servants etc.?[/quote
]AT THE BOLD LATTER.that is what am talkin about,jesus is rich because if he was not rich, he would'av told the disciples to look for work.but he became poor for us to be made rich IN HIM.you said jesus did not make anyone rich, I want you to know this.....he give us the assurance if we believe in HIM we will never lack.

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Duh, an incidence is not necessarily a command for all. You can as well pick some two verses from God telling Abraham to offer his son and ask derisive questions.

Do you think it's important for Christians to be bornagain? Afterall, that was only a matter of 'incidence' as Jesus was conversing with Nicodemus.

malvisguy212:
Though the Lord Jesus Christ was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich" (2 Cor.8:9). Christ became poor for us, that we might become rich IN HIM.

The verse in the OP is a direct quote from Jesus, not a secondary opinion from some other random guy who never met him. Jesus explicitly states that for the Christian to attain perfection, he wouldn't find it in material things, but in service to humanity and the kingdom of God.

malvisguy212:
The poverty and wealth spoken of in this verse could be taken spiritually. But the context in which the verse appears indicates that the Holy Spirit is speaking of material poverty and material riches as well.

Jesus told the young man to sell off his material possessions. His position on materialism couldn't be more obvious.

malvisguy212:
What does it mean "to be rich"? It does not mean having plenty of money and property, but rather having enough to meet our needs and some extra to help and bless others with. Being rich is described in Revelation 3:17 as "having need of nothing". That is how God is rich. God does not have silver or gold or a bank account or even a wallet. But He has need of nothing.

Lol. Pls, if you have plenty, it means you have 'extra' to share with others. You're just confusing yourself.

malvisguy212:
Jesus was not poor when He was on earth, for He had "need of nothing". He could even provide a meal once for about 10,000 people - 5000 men, and a number of women and children (Matt.14:21). Only a rich man could do that!

It was described as a miracle. Your statement here seems to insinuate Jesus sent out the disciples to go buy food for the hungry congregation.

malvisguy212:
He had enough money to pay His taxes (Matt.17:27). He never had to borrow money from anyone at any time. And He even had enough money to give to the poor ( John 13:29)

Again, a miracle. Jesus didn't go on a spending spree in the Mall of Nazareth to pay taxes. Apparently, he could pull out gold coins from the mouths of fishes. Much easier and quite convenient.

malvisguy212:
Jesus once said, "The poor you have with you always, but you do not always have Me" (Matt.26:11). There He contrasted Himself with the poor.

This doesn't imply he was rich. You're a Christian. You should read that chapter and understand the context in which he made the statement.

malvisguy212:
On another occasion, when Jesus told a rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, Jesus was certainly not including Himself also among the poor to whom the money was to be given!! No. It is clear that Jesus was rich when He was on earth in this sense: He lacked nothing.

Oh, but the Bible notes he never had a home or a place to lay his head. He clearly lacked some material items, or saw no need for them.



Oh boy, no vex. I can't go through the rest of your gibberish.

malvisguy212:
The op is very very confused.

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Duh, an incidence is not necessarily a command for all. You can as well pick some two verses from God telling Abraham to offer his son and ask derisive questions.

Just an incident involving Jesus, the supposed son of god, whose life and teachings are the basis for your religion?

Sir, are you saying that we shouldn't mind Jesus?

OMG! What has christianity descended into?

If we can't listen to Jesus, then to whom should christians listen to?

So when it suits you , you quote the authority of Jesus, but when it doesn't suit you, you dismiss him derisively as just an incidence.

One good thing I sort of admire about you sir, is that you are not at all pretentious about your shallowness and greed.

Rilwayne001:

and if they tell you paul founded xtianity, u will say no

Just imagine today's christians, quoting Paul to overule Jesus.

Na wa oo.

malvisguy212: Though the Lord Jesus Christ was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich" (2 Cor.8:9). Christ became poor for us, that we might become rich IN HIM. The poverty and wealth spoken of in this verse could be taken spiritually. But the context in which the verse appears indicates that the Holy Spirit is speaking of material poverty and material riches as well. What does it mean "to be rich"? It does not mean having plenty of money and property, but rather having enough to meet our needs and some extra to help and bless others with. Being rich is described in Revelation 3:17 as "having need of nothing". That is how God is rich. God does not have silver or gold or a bank account or even a wallet. But He has need of nothing. Jesus was not poor when He was on earth, for He had "need of nothing". He could even provide a meal once for about 10,000 people - 5000 men, and a number of women and children (Matt.14:21). Only a rich man could do that! He had enough money to pay His taxes (Matt.17:27). He never had to borrow money from anyone at any time. And He even had enough money to give to the poor ( John 13:29). Jesus once said, "The poor you have with you always, but you do not always have Me" (Matt.26:11). There He contrasted Himself with the poor. On another occasion, when Jesus told a rich young ruler to give all his money to the poor, Jesus was certainly not including Himself also among the poor to whom the money was to be given!! No. It is clear that Jesus was rich when He was on earth in this sense: He lacked nothing. The early apostles too were not poor. When they told the believers "to remember the poor" (Gal.2:10), they were not asking the believers to remember them!! No. Those apostles may not have had silver and gold (Acts 3:6). But they had all that they needed. In this way they were rich like their Master before them. That is how God wants us to be rich too. But we see that Jesus did become poor when he hung on the cross. A poor man is described in the New Testament as one who has "threadbare clothing" (Jas.2:2). The poorest beggar we have seen usually has at least a torn rag around his body. But Jesus did not have even that when He
was crucified. He was stripped naked and
crucified. He really became poor for our sakes, when He was crucified. Jesus became poor on the cross, so that we might become rich - or in other words, that we might have "need of nothing" in our lives. God has not promised to give us all that we want, but all that we need (Phil.4:19). Wise parents do not give their children all that they want or ask for, but only all that they need. So with God too. The old covenant promised earthly wealth to those who obeyed the Law. But under the new covenant, God promises that if we seek His kingdom first and His righteousness, He will give us something even better: Everything that we need for life on this earth (Matt.6:33; see also 2 Pet.1:4). The Bible clearly teaches that riches are both deceitful and uncertain (Matt.13:22; 1 Tim.6:17). So it is dangerous to desire riches or to long to have more and more money (1 Tim.6:10). But God's promise is something far more glorious: He will always give us "all that we need, according to his riches in glory IN Christ Jesus" (Phil.4:19). Do you find you cannot make ends meet with the salary that you earn? Since God draws everyone's financial boundaries, it is impossible for Him not to give His children enough for their earthly needs. Your lack must then be because the blessing of God is not on your life. Maybe you are lazy, or wasting money, or living in a selfish way, violating God's laws. If you are rich towards God, God will be rich towards you as well. Let me tell you the good news of the gospel: It is not God's will that His children should live with constant financial lack in their earthly lives. However high the cost of living may be, those who seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first in their lives will always find that their earthly needs are met. If that does not happen, we would have to say that Jesus was a liar - for that is what He clearly promised (Matt. 6:33). Jesus became poor - so that we might be rich. So we need never live with a lack in our lives. We need have no fear about the
future - either for ourselves or for our children. Jesus has purchased the provision of every earthly need for us and our family-members - on the cross. Unfortunately, money-loving preachers (especially in the last thirty years or so) have exaggerated and misunderstood this truth and turned it into an excuse to preach a "prosperity-gospel" - teaching that Jesus came to make us wealthy millionaires. That is a falsehood and a misrepresentation of the truth. God has not promised us wealth in the new covenant, but something far better - all that we need.

Another bundle of contradictions.
One day Jesus was rich, on another day, Jesus was poor.
Spiritual riches today, material riches tomorrow,....blah blah blah.

How come the gospel of material riches only seem to resonate with poor people, especially of poor countries?
Can anyone spot the scam?

malvisguy212:
The church I attend is military church, eat tithe money, you will know what will happen to you, nothin like first fruit or sow seed offering.

Military church. This is a new one.
With god, all absurdities are possible in Nigeria.

malvisguy212: you are right, but I want you to know that riches dos not mean excess wealth,do you know what it meant to be poor?God dos not created us to be poor,when God created adam and eve, he did not create them with money, but he give them everytin they ever would ever needed.even the bible say "God will provide for your need"

The op is very very confused. He though jesus is poor, he though that haven excess money is what God called riches,just check the life style of jesus and adam when he was still in the garden of eden, that is how God want us to live our life, though the both of them did not have money but they never lack anytin.

Ok. I am going to take your word on this.

Are you living without money, yes or no?
If no, then why are you not emulating the lifestyles of Jesus and Adam by living the way god wants you to live?

musKeeto:

The verse in the OP is a direct quote from Jesus, not a secondary opinion from some other random guy who never met him. Jesus explicitly states that for the Christian to attain perfection, he wouldn't find it in material things, but in service to humanity and the kingdom of God.


Jesus told the young man to sell off his material possessions. His position on materialism couldn't be more obvious.


Lol. Pls, if you have plenty, it means you have 'extra' to share with others. You're just confusing yourself.


It was described as a miracle. Your statement here seems to insinuate Jesus sent out the disciples to go buy food for the hungry congregation.


Again, a miracle. Jesus didn't go on a spending spree in the Mall of Nazareth to pay taxes. Apparently, he could pull out gold coins from the mouths of fishes. Much easier and quite convenient.


This doesn't imply he was rich. You're a Christian. You should read that chapter and understand the context in which he made the statement.


Oh, but the Bible notes he never had a home or a place to lay his head. He clearly lacked some material items, or saw no need for them.



Oh boy, no vex. I can't go through the rest of your gibberish.

These guys are hilarious, to say the least.

They would actually stand up and publicly contradict and repudiate the very man they claim to worship.
Amazing.

The level of schizophrenia and cognitive dissonance amongst these guys is just astonishing.

musKeeto:

The verse in the OP is a direct quote from Jesus, not a secondary opinion from some other random guy who never met him. Jesus explicitly states that for the Christian to attain perfection, he wouldn't find it in material things, but in service to humanity and the kingdom of God.


Jesus told the young man to sell off his material possessions. His position on materialism couldn't be more obvious.


Lol. Pls, if you have plenty, it means you have 'extra' to share with others. You're just confusing yourself.


It was described as a miracle. Your statement here seems to insinuate Jesus sent out the disciples to go buy food for the hungry congregation.


Again, a miracle. Jesus didn't go on a spending spree in the Mall of Nazareth to pay taxes. Apparently, he could pull out gold coins from the mouths of fishes. Much easier and quite convenient.


This doesn't imply he was rich. You're a Christian. You should read that chapter and understand the context in which he made the statement.


Oh, but the Bible notes he never had a home or a place to lay his head. He clearly lacked some material items, or saw no need for them.



Oh boy, no vex. I can't go through the rest of your gibberish.

pleatton an athiest but you muskeeto I don't know.you guys don't believe in the bible but you want to prove your point with the same bible, let me pretend you believe in the bible. Ok then.

Jesus spend the last supper on a hotel, Infact he oder for best room, were did he get the money?when they ask him to pay tax, he send his disciple to take money from the mouth of fish, if he want to be rich as you guys want, why dint he remove as much money as he want? the ox he ride to jerusalem how did he get?He dint come for material thing,he never lack, he just don't bother with riches, he know when he time on earth will end


acts1:6.Then they gathered around him and
asked him, "Lord, are you at this time
going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" can a poor man restore the kingdom to isreal? He was rich yet he became poor for us to be rich in him.

plaetton:

Ok. I am going to take your word on this.

Are you living without money, yes or no?
If no, then why are you not emulating the lifestyles of Jesus and Adam by living the way god wants you to live?

I don't have money the way bill gate have, I don't lack,anytin I ask God give me,not all the time I get what I pray for, why? Because for example now, a rich man has the money to give to his children but if that rich man know how to train his children, he would know that giving all the time to his children will spoil them.


So you don't know soldier has there own church? Military church? I attend st luke military church, anglican.

seagulsntrawler: How do you explain this: And he said unto them, take heed and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. Luke 12:15 Was this a one off too? The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath senth me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Luke 4:18-19. He never talked about being making people wealthy here on earth, in what was apparantely a mission statement. Correct me if Iam right.

The verses you referred to aren't incidents or events. Incidents and events aren't synonyms for 'one-off'.

seagulsntrawler: Nobody is disputing the fact that he had everything he wanted in heaven and could have chosen a lifestyle of opulence while on earth. But nothing about him potrayed wealth while on earth. He lived on charity all through. Rode on borrowed colt, was buried in a donated tomb. If the purse was overflowing, judas would have no motive for an extra income 'cause what they had in collections was really small. And this is from Isaiah. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness: and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:2. It is a perversion of the gospel to promise people earthly and material things to believe in Christ.

oh, so those verses were referring to Jesus'purse?

malvisguy212:

The op is very very confused. He though jesus is poor, he though that haven excess money is what God called riches.

hmmmm, words on marble if i may so say.

seagulsntrawler: True, God promised to take care of our needs but not our greed. What you are, before Him is not a function of how rich you are. Being rich or wealthy must be seen by christians as an underseved favor from God and must be a means to lift and help the poor and needy. It shouldn't take anything away from the humility of christ. He said 'man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

What are you saying exactly? Do you want to be rich? If being rich is an undeserved FAVOUR from God, then why do you seem to be averse to it?

musKeeto:

Do you think it's important for Christians to be bornagain? Afterall, that was only a matter of 'incidence' as Jesus was conversing with Nicodemus.

Christians are already born again duh. Those are synonyms. Today, you cannot be a christian without being born again or vice versa. It is important for every man(human) to be born again as Jesus said that except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. This is not just an incidence, other scriptures corroborate it. i also said that "an incidence is not NECESSARILY a command for all". Don't disappoint the investment made on you na.

plaetton:

Just an incident involving Jesus, the supposed son of god, whose life and teachings are the basis for your religion?

Sir, are you saying that we shouldn't mind Jesus?

OMG! What has christianity descended into?

If we can't listen to Jesus, then to whom should christians listen to?

So when it suits you , you quote the authority of Jesus, but when it doesn't suit you, you dismiss him derisively as just an incidence.

One good thing I sort of admire about you sir, is that you are not at all pretentious about your shallowness and greed.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

you can't pick every incidence in the bible and turn them to commandments, that is simply not how it works. Jesus told someone to go and wash at the pool of siloam don't mean all following Jesus must go to siloam. He sent some disciples to prepare Passover, told some fellows to take water to the governor of a feast. What you should be asking is how you can have Jesus in your heart and life.