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Janosky:
* I want to comment on your poser.

Isaiah 9:6,New American Standard Bible
For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; "And His name will be called..... Eternal Father"
Isaiah te prophet is writing about futuristic event which has not happened when he wrote the prophecy.
Oga,do you agree with Ephesians 4:6, that Yahweh the God Almighty is the "Father of ALL?"
Therefore ,do you agree that Yahweh is the Eternal Father of Jesus christ?

Oga,do you agree with Matthew 27:46,50 that Jesus Christ tasted death?
Is a being who died @ Matthew 27:46,50 for 3 days Eternal to you @ that moment?

Let's address Isaiah 9:6 "the son Jesus will be called " Eternal Father".
The important question is :
When is Jesus the son will be called " Eternal Father" ?
Jesus will be Eternal Father to which people?
6 questions for your attention ,pls.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
The funny thing is that he has even interpreted Isaiah 9:6 correctly to mean that the "eternal father" means that mankind gets Everlasting life through Jesus.
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Truthseeker10:
His problem now is that he claims that the bible calls the Father of Jesus "Eternal Father" to mean that Jesus has always existed as a son eternally without being created. I have asked him to show me where the bible uses the word "Eternal Father" to give such a meaning.

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 15:45, Bible truth.


In the bible, Father means Senior.
@Ephesians 4:6 & 3:14-15, The reason for Seniority over Jesus is creation.
Job 40:19 buttresses the truth of Revelation 3:14.

The Greek word for Originator Arkhegos (G747) is not in Revelation 3:14..
Therefore , Jesus is a creature- the origin , beginning of Creation by God

Truthseeker10:
Where does John 17:24, Ephesians 3:14-15 calls the Father of Jesus, "Father from eternity"?

In Micah 5:2 what Hebrew word is used to refer to the son as eternal? Is it the same word used in Genesis 6:4?

Gabrielshow24:
The phrase is to buttress the ’origin’, ’primordial’ and ’Eternal’ aspects of God🤨

The other verses are also to buttress the Eternal, everlasting aspects of God! I assumed you will focus on the crux of the matter instead of this🥱—glib and mundane responses. It goes to show, you don't have a reply.

Pls, tell us how your god is self-sufficient?😁
By the way, with your concession, I must say you have a ’wonderful’ god😉.

Gabrielshow24:
It took you this long to reply 😁. Looks like Janosky finally gathered courage to enter the abbatoir after all the evasion from his colleague 😂. Welcome — let’s do this.

First things first: none of your 6 questions touch the crux of my challenge. They’re distractions at best.

Gabrielshow24:
The real question remains: how is your god an eternal Father? If, as your colleague admitted, he isn’t — then your god is not self-sufficient and clearly not eternal. End of story👌.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you are trying to insinuate. But I can clearly catch your trick. I never claimed God was not Eternal.

Where does John 17:24, Ephesians 3:14-15 calls the Father of Jesus, "Father from eternity"?

In Micah 5:2 what Hebrew word is used to refer to the son as eternal? Is it the same word used in Genesis 6:4?

Gabrielshow24:
Define creature? 🤨

Janosky:
I can see that you don't want the scrutiny of your position which my questions would lead to .
You prefer to deflect than address the 6 questions




Did Isaiah 9:6 teach the prophecy had taken place when he wrote it?

Jesus would be given the titles in Isaiah 9:6 by his God/Father
Oga,Where is your "self sufficiency " claim coming from?
Are you reading your Bible upside down?

Gabrielshow24:
As I have said before, I won't add any other. I know you have decided to use your same tactic: ’evade and avoid’. Anything to deflect from answering my question😅.

Once again. How is your god an eternal Father when he has no Eternal Son? Who did he love before the foundation of the world and before the creation of the Universe? 😅

If you like deflect, you surely can't escape😁.

Janosky:
Jesus is the Creation by God ,Revelation 3:14.

Gabrielshow24:
Isaiah 9:6 — Yes, it’s a prophecy about the Messiah. When it calls Him “Everlasting Father” (Avi-’ad), it means the source/possessor of eternal life, the fatherly protector of His people — not that He is “God the Father.” You know this, but you’re trying to blur categories.

Gabrielshow24:
The question was about God the Father’s eternal Fatherhood, not Messiah’s metaphorical title [/b].

Indeed, God is “Father of all.” That doesn’t solve your problem, it intensifies it😂. If He is Father of all, and is called Father from eternity, that necessitates His Fatherhood is eternal, not a role He picked up at creation. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨

Gabrielshow24:
So, nice attempt at distracting me in side-questions 😅, but the issue stands: how is your god an eternal Father without an eternal Son? Until you answer that, everything else is smokescreen

Truthseeker10:
John 17:24

King James Bible
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Luke 11:50
King James Bible
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Please explain what the "foundation of world" mean as evident in the two verses above.

2)When does "before the creation of the Universe" equate to "eternity past".

Gabrielshow24:
It seems awfully convenient that you chose that interpretation.
May I ask for a little context?

Are you aware that if God made the universe then he made surely made Time? 🤔If yes, what now happens to the being, that God ’used’ to create Time🤔. Is the being inside or outside of Time?

Keeping in mind, your answers to the above question. Can this being still be called ’creature’?🤔

Janosky:
Oga,stop deceiving yourself .
You can not offer any proof for your false claims


You didn't read my comments
You just type whatever pleases your fancy

Truthseeker10:
John 17:24

King James Bible
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Luke 11:50
King James Bible
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Please explain what the "foundation of world" mean as evident in the two verses above.

2)When does "before the creation of the Universe" equate to "eternity past".

Gabrielshow24:
May I ask when was the world made? 🤔
Provide us your context. It could be scientific, it could be biblical 👀. You can even allude to it being metaphorical 😁

By the way, It's very obvious you have conceded in the ”main argument’, you can't offer any tangible refuttal nor answer but I will indulge you in your frivolities a little while longer to see where you arrive at. I know you love deflections... It just so happens that ’deflection’ is one of my favorite chess tactic😁.

Gabrielshow24:
I think before I type, I am not indoctrinated 😁 like you. You both have shown your indoctrination 😅


I have proof, you are the ones making a false claim😅.

Once again, how did your god become an Eternal Father 😂 when he hath no Eternal Son? We have you on record admitting that he is the Father of all😮‍💨. The question is, will you take the path your brother took by making your god ’insufficient’?🤨

Whatever you decide, I'm game🙃

Janosky:
Gabrielshow24 post

If He is Father of all, and is called Father from eternity, that necessitates His Fatherhood is eternal, not a role He picked up at creation. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨
If He is Father of all, on. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨



Oga,Bring up where you saw the bolded in my post.

You know I didn't type that comment.
You can't offer any proof.

Janosky:
Gabrielshow24 post

If He is Father of all, and is called Father from eternity, that necessitates His Fatherhood is eternal, not a role He picked up at creation. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨
If He is Father of all, on. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨



Oga,Bring up where you saw the bolded in my post.

You know I didn't type that comment.
You can't offer any proof.

Truthseeker10:
You tell me when the world was made.

Janosky:
Gabrielshow24 post

If He is Father of all, and is called Father from eternity, that necessitates His Fatherhood is eternal, not a role He picked up at creation. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨
If He is Father of all, on. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨



Oga,Bring up where you saw the bolded in my post.

You know I didn't type that comment.
You can't offer any proof.

Gabrielshow24:
Shy guy, afraid to commit 😅. Once again, can you tell us when your god made the world? 😁

Janosky:
Whom do you refer to as "your god"?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣You tell me na since you are not afraid to commit.

Gabrielshow24:
it's a simple question 😅, your stalling won't help you. It only shows your inadequacy to tackle the said questions 😁.

Tell us, let us know when your god made the world? From this context we will see whether my use of ’eternity past’ is vague and wrong🤧 as you implied it is🙃.

Don't be shy... I don't bite😁.

Truthseeker10:
I gave you two verses to make sense of.

John 17:24

King James Bible
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Luke 11:50
King James Bible
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Please explain what the "foundation of the world" mean as evident in the two verses above.

Janosky:
Oga,suit yourself & rewrite your own version of Revelation 3:14 & Job 40:19.
Fix it in your own Bible.

Gabrielshow24:
Two verses to supposedly undermine my use of ’eternity past’😅. The irony of it all is that these verses support my position 😁.

I have given you the time to make sense of ’why my use of the phrase is wrong’ by providing context as to when your god made the world. Something you haven't done by the way for fear of being entangled. I must say you are already entangled😅.

Once more, tell us when your god made the world? 😁

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Do you mean that Luke 11:50 is saying that blood of prophets have been shed since when God started creating the universe?

Luke 11:50
King James Bible
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;