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Barristter07:
Yes o na big lie If Holy spirit na person. Because Jesus don talk am say na only the Father , one person pere , knows.

Emusan:
And as scripture don talk am say Holy Spirit SEARCHETH all things of God and knows the very MIND of God.

Still lying with ONE PERSON he can't provide scripture support for.

Barristter07:
God the Father , a person or persons ?

Barristter07:
That translation is fraudulent, do u saw the bold ? Not in the text .

Jesus didn't say no man, he said NO one . If left that way, the translator won't need that fraud

livingchrist:
only if you have shame,
Have you checked your new world translation?

36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

I guess this is also fraud, right?

Your translation uses neither the angels[b] to separate the angels from the nobody knows.
It was because the nobody was limited that was what necessitate neither the angels.
So the nobody means no man that 2as why neither the angels was included.

For example, neither sam not Jerry knew I was coming,
The above statement already tells you sam and Jerry are different, sam is not included in Jerry neither jerry in sam that is why they must be named separately.
Only if you have brain to understand smh.

Emusan:
Show me where it says ONLY ONE PERSON.

Holy Spirit SEARCHETH all things of God and know the very MIND of God, true or false?

Barristter07:
I provided proof: The Father.

So prove me wrong by telling me if he is a person or persons ?

Emusan:
So ONE PERSON didn't appear in that verse but just from your deluded brain.

Proof me wrong that Holy Spirit didn't SEARCHETH all things of God and didn't know the very MIND of God.

Barristter07:
" Nobody knew I was coming, neither Sam not Jerry "

Sam and Jerry are not part of the Nobody ?

U don't have sense

livingchrist:
It doesnt matter, since Jesus was only referring to the persons the disciples knew, I I still believe the nobody refers to humans even if not, it doesnt change the fact that Jesus was referring to persons the disciples knew.
By the way, since you dont have sense to communicate without insult I wont reply you anymore.

Barristter07:
That means holy spirit is not a person. .
They read about holy spirit in the Hebrew scriptures, so don't tell me they don't know about it. Moses whom they see as God's spokesman was said to have it, Samson have it and many others with God's spirit.

livingchrist:
Evidence that Jesus is Jehovah God continues...

livingchrist:
Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Only Jehovah knows all things

#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?

*answer*

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Jesus took on flesh and became a human, Je was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God.
Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.


Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

#objection# But God created Jesus first and then used him to create all other things as stated in proverb 8:22

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.




*answer* proverb 8 is a poetic language describing the superiority of wisdom abover every other thing.
Let's look at the hebrew interpretation of that verse,

Lexicon
The LORD
יְֽהוָ֗ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

possessed me
קָ֭נָנִי (qā·nā·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 7069: To erect, create, to procure, by purchase, to own

at the beginning
רֵאשִׁ֣ית (rê·šîṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 7225: The first, in place, time, order, rank

of His work,
דַּרְכּ֑וֹ (dar·kōw)
Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1870: A road, a course of life, mode of action

before
קֶ֖דֶם (qe·ḏem)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 6924: The front, of place, time

His deeds
מִפְעָלָ֣יו (mip̄·‘ā·lāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4659: A work, something made

of old.
מֵאָֽז׃ (mê·’āz)
Preposition-m | Adverb
Strong's Hebrew 227: At that time, place, therefore

The word qanani has a host of meaning, the meaning of a particular word is determined not just by its dictionary meaning but also by the context or place in which it is used, in other words we must consider the combined words and its purpose to expolate its meaning.
While the word qanani can mean, create, possess, to erect, etc the whole of this poetry do not suggest God literally creating wisdom but putting wisdom as the prime quality in all his doings.

The word translated as works is darker which means a course of life, or the way a person lives.

Can you take it to mean wisdom was created before God's principles or God's way of life, that means before wisdom was created God did not have any principle, meaning Jehovah was not God before wisdom was created, certainly not so there must be another interpretation, Which is Jehovah set wisdom as his first principle before others.

So wisdom was never created and if wisdom was never created Jesus who is the wisdom of God was also never created.

Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.


Digest this first I will be bringing out more

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 2:16

"For who has known the mind of THE LORD JEHOVAH that he may teach him? But we do have the mind of (Christ) The Messiah".


Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
But Holy Spirit knows the MIND of The Lord Jehovah.

That is a proof that The HOLY SPIRIT is a person and fully God. 1 Corin 2:11

Janosky:
Oga,Is holy spirit Jesus?
No.
You don't understand Corinthians 2:11 until you study 1 Corinthians 2:12.

What did Jesus teach you at Matthew 24:26?
Jesus said:
"No one (Greek lexicon 3762,Oudeis meaning nothing,no person) knows the day nor the hour but only (Greek 3441 monos,meaning single, solitary) the Father knows.
You pretend as if you know spiritual matters more than Jesus.

@ Hebrew 6:13, did Jesus & holy spirit swear alongside God Almighty Yahweh ?
No.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Oga,Is holy spirit Jesus?
No.

You don't understand Corinthians 2:11 until you study 1 Corinthians 2:12.

What did Jesus teach you at Matthew 24:26?
Jesus said:
"No one (Greek lexicon 3762,Oudeis meaning nothing,no person) knows the day nor the hour but only (Greek 3441 monos,meaning single, solitary) the Father knows.
You pretend as if you know spiritual matters more than Jesus.

@ Hebrew 6:13, did Jesus & holy spirit swear alongside God Almighty Yahweh ?
No.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Blabbermouth:
To start with, we share same characteristic in some aspect does not mean we are the same.
1.Angels are immortal.
2.(Only) Jehovah is immortal
3.Angels are Jehovah.. QED.
This fallacy is one many trinitarians are quick to dabble into. Unfortunately, many of these oneness they claim is actually not even true in the purest sense.

Reading John 14:30 from context, you will definitely realize that they aren't saying Jesus is omniscient.
He was talking about the Father from the verse 1 of that chapter, and he said he will stop communicating with figures and reveal the father plainly.
Then the disciples replied him saying - they believe he knows all things (about the person of the father). From John 14 till when he was taken to be crucified, baba was just spitting deep bars about the person of the father.
Read John 17 , He said - This is life eternal, that they may know you.

Now, why don't you guys specify the Jesus [at least, the era, or state] which you refer to.
Jesus is equal to God? Okay, Jesus of which era?
Pre-earth Jesus?
Son-of-man Jesus?
Jesus ressurected?

According to you, Son-of-man Jesus is not Jehovah [at least, he is not equal to him].
8 is not the same as 4+2, why? They are not equal!

How about Jesus ressurected? Well, Jesus ressurected is a new creation, a new man (we both concur to this truth, don't we?), is he Jehovah?

That reminds me, what's your position please?
1. Jesus is Jehovah
2. Jesus is equal to Jehovah.

Jesus is Jehovah is equal to saying Jehovah is now a man. Why? Well,
1. Jehovah is Jesus
2. Jesus abides as a man
3. Jehovah abides as a man

Lol, Jehovah will laugh at you for claiming this.

MaxInDHouse:
So that Jesus started praying to himself shey?

MetalJigsaw:
"Everything father owns is mine" (John 16 v 15)

He has the name that is above every other name (Philippians 2 v 9)

Jesus clearly states he is the I AM of the book of Exodus in: (John 8 v 58)

MetalJigsaw:
That's one big mistake you people make because you don't read the context of the Bible.

"My father is greater than I" (In authority, not in essence or divinity)

Jesus praying to the father is because God is the God of all flesh (JER 32 v 27) Since Jesus took on flesh, should he become an Atheist? NO. That why he has a God.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever prays is no longer God in any sense rather a representative of God.

@ Exodus 7:1 God made Moses a God that's why God told the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} Why? Because both of them were called "God" through inspiration!

MetalJigsaw:
You're a funny man🤣. So you're saying God made Moses the same god as him? Come on man.😆

So you dont know the same Peter proclaimed Jesus as God in 2 peter 1v1 he writes: "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ".

And in Mat 16 v16.

Christ was a prophet AND he is also GOD.


I think we should address each point at a time. You're addressing multiple points at a time.

I'll cherish you bringing your arguments one at a time😊

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.

MaxInDHouse:
Yet you people will start claiming you are all Christians when there is no agreement among you.

His father willed everything to him doesn't translate to being equal with his father! John 14:28

God gave Jesus a name that is above every other name but LOWER THAN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER! 1Corinthans 15:27

Your translators are trinitarians that's the reason why they read their Trinity idea into God's word what Jesus meant is "before Abraham i existed" but since your trinitarians smuggled TRINITY ideology all of you keep quoting the KJV.

MaxInDHouse:
Regarding the highlighted read John 17:3



And you can translate Exodus 7:1 anyhow you feel it's clearly written that God made Moses a God to Pharaoh so if Jesus later bears the same title {Isaiah 9:6} it doesn't make him our God!