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MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

* Again the son being subject to the father and humbling himself is a relational property between them not it dignity or essence. That's why Jesus says in JHN 5v19: "Whatever the father does, the son does likewise.
And in JHN 5:23 "Honoor the son just as you honor the father. Whoever doesn't honor the son does not honor the father"

MetalJigsaw:
*And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent"
This verse highlights that true eternal life involves a deep, intimate, and experiential knowledge of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. As yiu can see Jesus includes himself in that statement.
*Brother you can be smarter than this. I have already addressed that point. God making Moses god isn't in a sense of divinity

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever grammar you're spewing can't change the fact that Jesus is not our God he himself said:

Jesus said to her, “You don’t need to hold on to me! I have not yet gone back up to the Father. But go to my followers and tell them this: ‘I am going back to my Father and your Father. I am going back to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus and i have the same father and the same God!

MetalJigsaw:
See how you're freely embarrassing yourself on the Internet with so much ignorance and arrogance😂. There's alot you don't know but its okay. But the thing is that you're ssupposed to be asking questions to find truth.

And you can't deny Jesus divinity and still claim to be a Christian. NO! In that case you're not different from Mohammed who was an anti Christ.

If God the father can proclaim Jesus as God and also glorify him, who are you not to?

I'm sure you're ignorant of this too. At least you should be humble enough to ask.

MaxInDHouse:
God did exactly the same thing to Moses so there is no difference.

This is what God said about Moses:

God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams. But Moses is not like that. He is my faithful servant—I trust him with everyone in my house. When I speak to him, I talk face to face with him. I don’t use stories with hidden meanings—I show him clearly what I want him to know. And Moses can look at the very image of the Lord. So why were you brave enough to speak against my servant Moses?” Numbers 12:6-8

After his death God said:

Israel never had another prophet like Moses: The Lord knew Moses face to face. Deuteronomy 34:10

Ọmọ there is only one God any other is inferior that's why they all worship Him alone as for whoever God glorifies it's for His worshipers to obey that person not worship! Matthew 17:5

MaxInDHouse:
God did exactly the same thing to Moses so there is no difference.

This is what God said about Moses:

God said, “Listen to me! You will have prophets. I, the Lord, will let them learn about me through visions. I will speak to them in dreams. But Moses is not like that. He is my faithful servant—I trust him with everyone in my house. When I speak to him, I talk face to face with him. I don’t use stories with hidden meanings—I show him clearly what I want him to know. And Moses can look at the very image of the Lord. So why were you brave enough to speak against my servant Moses?” Numbers 12:6-8

After his death God said:

Israel never had another prophet like Moses: The Lord knew Moses face to face. Deuteronomy 34:10

Ọmọ there is only one God any other is inferior that's why they all worship Him alone as for whoever God glorifies it's for His worshipers to obey that person not worship! Matthew 17:5

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any divine title to him?
Do you even know HEB 1:8-9?
I think I should move on at this point.

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any of God's divine title to him? Do you even know HEB 1:6-9? Simply ask questions brother. Read and reply.

MaxInDHouse:
"God" is a divine title. Exodus 7:1

YES or NO?

MetalJigsaw:
You keep going round in circles. I'm not doing that.I already addressed the point that God making Moses a God is not in a literal sense. Or are you telling me that God Made Moses the same God as him?

MaxInDHouse:
You ran away from questions so you are not sincere when it comes to questions!

MetalJigsaw:
You never asked questions. You were just making false claims and arguments.

MaxInDHouse:
Now make the God wey de help una to endure and de give una comfort help all of una get the same mind like Christ Jesus, so that as one, una go fit use one voice praise the God and Papa of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:5-6

Now my brothers, I de use the name of our Lord Jesus Christ de encourage una say, make all of una de agree for wetin una de talk, and make una no de cause separation among unaself. Instead, make una get one mind for everything and de think for the same way. 1Corinthans 1:10

de really try to do una best to maintain the one mind from the spirit with the peace wey de hold people together as one. Ephesians 4:3

 The last one be say, make all of una get one mind, de feel for each other, de love each other like people for the same family, de really pity for each other and de carry body down. 1Peter 3:8

What is the import of these scriptures?

MaxInDHouse:
"God" is a divine title. Exodus 7:1

YES or NO?

MaxInDHouse:
Did God made Jesus the same God as Him?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
in God's case, yes not in Moses case.
In John 10 v 3 Jesus says yo the Jews:
"'I have said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High"'
In this statement is it literal or metaphorical?

MetalJigsaw:
You tell me

Emusan:
This is 1 Corin 2:12 "And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us."

So, tell me how this negate that The HOLY SPIRIT doesn't KNOW the Mind of God.
So the Bible is wrong in 1 Corin 2:11 or it doesn't align with your doctrine?

Emusan:
Where did Yahweh appear in that Hen 6;13?

Then who is deceiving you?

MetalJigsaw:
"Everything father owns is mine" (John 16 v 15)

MetalJigsaw:
He has the name that is above every other name (Philippians 2 v 9)

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus clearly states he is the I AM of the book of Exodus in: (John 8 v 58)

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus praying to the father is because God is the God of all flesh (JER 32 v 27) Since Jesus took on flesh, should he become an Atheist? NO. That why he has a God.

MaxInDHouse:
Yet you people will start claiming you are all Christians when there is no agreement among you.

His father willed everything to him doesn't translate to being equal with his father! John 14:28

God gave Jesus a name that is above every other name but LOWER THAN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER! 1Corinthans 15:27

Your translators are trinitarians that's the reason why they read their Trinity idea into God's word what Jesus meant is "before Abraham i existed" but since your trinitarians smuggled TRINITY ideology all of you keep quoting the KJV.

MetalJigsaw:
That's one big mistake you people make because you don't read the context of the Bible.

"My father is greater than I" (In authority, not in essence or divinity)

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Janosky:
Screenshot Proofs.

MetalJigsaw:
* You're a funny man🤣. So you're saying God made Moses the same god as him? Come on man.😆 Moses case was as spiritual fortification,not literally God as Jesus and his father😂

*So you dont know the same Peter proclaimed Jesus as God in 2 peter 1v1 he writes: "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ".

MetalJigsaw:
And in Mat 16 v16. Jesus the Son of the Living God.

Yes, Christ was a prophet AND he is also GOD.


I think we should address each point at a time. You're addressing multiple points at a time.

I'll cherish you bringing your arguments one at a time😊

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

* Again the son being subject to the father and humbling himself is a relational property between them not it dignity or essence. That's why Jesus says in JHN 5v19: "Whatever the father does, the son does likewise.
And in JHN 5:23 "Honoor the son just as you honor the father. Whoever doesn't honor the son does not honor the father"

Whoever does not honour his parents , does not honour God our Father.


John 12:49-50 is the command that Jesus Christ received & always obey @ Matthew 4:10.

MetalJigsaw:
*And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent"
This verse highlights that true eternal life involves a deep, intimate, and experiential knowledge of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. As yiu can see Jesus includes himself in that statement.

*Brother you can be smarter than this. I have already addressed that point. God making Moses god isn't in a sense of divinity

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

The expression @ John 10:30," ARE ONE" did not say "One God".
Paul & Apollos are one.
Man & wife are one.
Jesus , the disciples & God are one, John 17
"Are one "simply meaning harmonious relationship not one being.

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any divine title to him?

Do you even know HEB 1:8-9?

I think I should move on at this point.

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any of God's divine title to him?


Do you even know HEB 1:6-9? Simply ask questions brother. Read and reply

Janosky:
Psalms 45:6 is original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
Your belief about Hebrew 1:8 is very different from the Hebrew language rendition of Psalms 45:6.

The correct rendition of Hebrew 1;8 must be same with Psalms 45:6
"Your throne given of God /God is your Throne"
Screenshots

MetalJigsaw:
You keep going round in circles. I'm not doing that.I already addressed the point that God making Moses a God is not in a literal sense. Or are you telling me that God Made Moses the same God as him?

MetalJigsaw:
in God's case, yes not in Moses case.
In John 10 v 3 Jesus says yo the Jews:

"'I have said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High"'

In this statement is it literal or metaphorical?

Janosky:
There is no Greek word meaning metaphorical @ John 10:34-35.

Deuteronomy 10:17, Yahweh is the God of gods (his sons), no metaphor about that.