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twizzie:
Hi All,

I know this has been addressed here but seeking clarification due to a peculiar situation.

I'm applying to renew my visa but my passport has expired and available date of capture is after current Visa expires. I know people on here have said one can apply with an expired passport but how can I bypass the page requesting for passport details as it keeps saying to put a future expiry date?

Anyone able to help please? Can I put a later date and upload passport application and appointment page as parts of the supporting docs with a note explaining this. @Zahra, @justwise

twizzie:
Anyone able to help please? Can I put a later date and upload passport application and appointment page as parts of the supporting docs with a note explaining this. @Zahra, @justwise

During the application process use future date in place of passport expiration date so as to proceed with the application HOWEVER, you need to explain this in additional info section AND attach a copy of the expired passport and your NIN[/quote]

jedisco:
I'd say be unapologetic about seeking the best for yourself along as it's within the rules and you try not to shatter connections unduly.

With many things, some people get it and some dont. I think it was Charlie Munger who said that when asked about having an economic mindset.

There are huge bottlenecks but it irks me when I see people limit themselves mentally and dont grab opp

When I came into the UK, despite my first role being a well paid job, I started planning for and went to an interview for my second role before fully starting the first. In 5 months, I resigned and moved on.
When I completed post-grad training, I narrowed down to 3 workplaces and was very clear. For the first, despite they had applied to the Home Office for visa sponsorship because of me (and got it), I told them if they can't match market rates I wouldn't be taking their offer and moved on. For the remaining two, I told the familiar one what the other was offering and as they couldn't match it, I left.
I enjoyed where I worked and after 2 yrs, resigned and worked via my company.

When the Canada PR route for healthcare workers launched, I grabbed it without thinking twice. Many here said I wad seeking utopia but I knew better.
On moving to Canada, after consideration, I decided to go with two clinics and work across sites. They are both aware. My plan remains to test both out and finally settle into one. No regrets so far.

At every stage, I had colleagues who had dithered and never took opportunities when they presented themselves. Many spent years with no forward plans. Recently I asked a recent arrival what their plans were and the lack of depth was annoying.

Reason why when folks insinuate opportunities are only out there for healthcare workers, I wonder whether its more of a chicken and egg scenario. Is it because that cohort are relatively less likely to settle for less? Even in 9ja, same was the case

Thanks!

I appreciate this response.

For the bolded, I'd say it all boils down to one's circle, mindset, and if one is willing to strive for stuff and work hard towards it.

Many Nigerians walk with people in HC so they somewhat think thats all they have to do. Even worse when their friends want to pull them down with the typical crabs in a bucket mentality. Someone with solid banking experience in Nigeria should not be striving to work long shifts in HC when finance is one of the hot cakes in the UK if one actually works towards it

Goodenoch:
maybe marry someone in healthcare?
Just kidding o

Yes, that's the general one:

This is what I'm referring to: https://www.gov.uk/apply-immigration-health-surcharge-refund/tier-2-visa-medical-professional

Na finance sis we want

As long as they refund on previously paid IHS without me being in HC, I dont mind tbh. I did collect some of the ones while still working as a SW

jedisco:
Hehe... In UK, many of those have not even seen a church in ages but all of a sudden become defenders of the church because the brown man next door is of a different religion.

I was only just having a conversation about that on Nairaland as it seems Kirk is now the new martyr. The rally of certain Christians towards lunatics- people who hate them for their colour all because that lunatic said 'go to church' or uses certain phrases is something else. Religion can truly be an opium

Dem just Dey use Christianity do guiding 😂 it’s actually an old playbook used by colonialists back in the day. If you remember the words of Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa he said when the colonial masters came they (south Africans) owned the land while the colonialists owned the bible then they told them to close their eyes for prayers and when they opened their eyes they the colonialists now owned the land while they the South Africans now had the bible so no be today!

HustlaOfLagos:
Thanks!

I appreciate this response.

For the bolded, I'd say it all boils down to one's circle, mindset, and if one is willing to strive for stuff and work hard towards it.

Many Nigerians walk with people in HC so they somewhat think thats all they have to do. Even worse when their friends want to pull them down with the typical crabs in a bucket mentality. Someone with solid banking experience in Nigeria should not be striving to work long shifts in HC when finance is one of the hot cakes in the UK if one actually works towards it

The circle theory can't be underestimated. One can't achieve what they can't see. The only reason I applied for my UK second tole was cos of a friend I came in with pitched it to me - I told him anyhow, I'm doing nothing now. Make we dey go. That has turned out to be one of the best decisions I made in my life so far. To contrast, there was another brilliant colleague who had been in the role we were joining for over 2 years with no progression. When he heard about our plans, he was shocked. Like wetin give una this mind. Even on my Canada waka, a close friend who was non-committal but 2 months after I waka, we spoke and he said I'm moving over. Already, he don join body.

A chap who used to drive kids related the huge difference in midset when talking to kids in local state schools vs private schools. He recounted that many of the state school kids would be talking about going to work in McDonald's e.t.c after they're done with no plan of progression. For the private school kids, it's which of the reputable unis they'd attend, where they'd go on a gap year e.t.c. It doesn't take a magician to see attainment would be vastly different.
If most of your circle bought their places or are into property, statements we've heard repeated here e.g 'what would the locals think' would not even cross your mind when you come to buy your place.

Folks should be able to pick up any job to feed their family but if you were a professional/doing well in 9ja, then it's worth taking the time to craft a pathway for yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be in same field but it should pay well enough to see you enjoy things of life and plan for retirement. This is not even factoring in running a business

jedisco:
Hehe... didn't read this.

But seriously, I just can't narrow it down.

Though anecdotal, I have tried speaking to second-gens at different levels and still can't pin it down.
I look around and see kids of recent arrivals happy and mingling I [b]just can't envisage them telling hardworking migrants in say 20yrs how they're parasites [/b]and their parentswere the model migrants. It boggles my mind. Perhaps our prominent second gen @Zahra29 could be of help here.

Second gen? Lol

As much as I love to help, I don't think I can in this instance as your premise is flawed. For starters, not sure who referred to immigrants as parasites - I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure I didn't hear Shabana say that, or even Suella.

Also, no where is it stipulated that a descendant of immigrants must forever be a proponent of uncontrolled migration, or else be labelled a sellout, gatekeeper etc - even a 1st gen migrant can be concerned about high migration levels if they see its detrimental effects.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObsRoMjzGZ/?igsh=MTc1NnZ6ZmZ5azM3dA==

https://archive.is/W9ahu

Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story

“The populist narrative of a migrant-driven crimewave is catnip on social media and oil to the wheels of Reform. But it is so far from the truth that we’re in danger of losing sight of the country we live in.”

Goodenoch:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObsRoMjzGZ/?igsh=MTc1NnZ6ZmZ5azM3dA==

https://archive.is/W9ahu

Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story

“The populist narrative of a migrant-driven crimewave is catnip on social media and oil to the wheels of Reform. But it is so far from the truth that we’re in danger of losing sight of the country we live in.”

Just like immigration they will always cherry pick data they want to use to drive any narrative for political reasons just imagine how Trump and his gang keep deriding the London Mayor for all kinds of imaginary things. We are indeed in an era of disinformation and propaganda.

Right now immigration figures are down but still they will keep putting word out there that the country is still being invaded in their own imagination. And the way it will continue to drive up migrant driven crime like that mosque being put on fire hmmm.

Zahra29:
Second gen? Lol

As much as I love to help, I don't think I can in this instance as your premise is flawed. For starters, not sure who referred to immigrants as parasites - I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure I didn't hear Shabana say that, or even Suella.

Also, no where is it stipulated that a descendant of immigrants must forever be a proponent of uncontrolled migration, or else be labelled a sellout, gatekeeper etc - even a 1st gen migrant can be concerned about high migration levels if they see its detrimental effects.

There’s never anything like uncontrolled immigration, visas were applied for and granted, even those coming by boats are being received and not that they just sneak in without anybody seeing them. The term or word uncontrolled is just political to always irk people against imaginary enemies. And even when the figures go down we still continue to heard the word uncontrolled!

jedisco:
The circle theory can't be underestimated. One can't achieve what they can't see. The only reason I applied for my UK second tole was cos of a friend I came in with pitched it to me - I told him anyhow, I'm doing nothing now. Make we dey go. That has turned out to be one of the best decisions I made in my life so far. To contrast, there was another brilliant colleague who had been in the role we were joining for over 2 years with no progression. When he heard about our plans, he was shocked. Like wetin give una this mind. Even on my Canada waka, a close friend who was non-committal but 2 months after I waka, we spoke and he said I'm moving over. Already, he don join body.

A chap who used to drive kids related the huge difference in midset when talking to kids in local state schools vs private schools. He recounted that many of the state school kids would be talking about going to work in McDonald's e.t.c after they're done with no plan of progression. For the private school kids, it's which of the reputable unis they'd attend, where they'd go on a gap year e.t.c. It doesn't take a magician to see attainment would be vastly different.
If most of your circle bought their places or are into property, statements we've heard repeated here e.g 'what would the locals think' would not even cross your mind when you come to buy your place.

One wonders what sort of arrangement exists whereby statistically significant numbers of both children who attend state schools and their generally richer peers in private schools were transported regularly by a driver who overheard a significant number of their conversations to form a valid opinion. Probably not a taxi driver or a bus driver.

In any case that tired narrative about the alleged mindsets and drivers of "state school" children has long been debunked. As at last stats, 67% (and rising) of the resident undergraduate population in this country attended UK state schools. Obviously not all the people thronging the universities come from the privately-schooled group, so per your theory, even one wishes to advance contextual admissions as a reason, there must somehow have been a major remapping of the under-achieving youth population in the period between when their conversations were being overhead by this poll-taking driver and the period when universities around the country hold their Freshers Week.

Again, it goes without saying that large numbers of people who do not attend university go into alternative routes into employment. I work in the public sector and have many people in my department who took apprenticeships or went straight into employment with their school leaving qualifications, so the lack of interest in attending university is not necessarily an indicator of a deep-seated intention to under-achieve with minimum wage jobs and possibly later end up on benefits. It might also bear noting that quite a lot of the heavily over-subscribed grammar schools are non-fee paying.

Goke7:
There’s never anything like uncontrolled immigration, visas were applied for and granted, even those coming by boats are being received and not that they just sneak in without anybody seeing them. The term or word uncontrolled is just political to always irk people against imaginary enemies. And even when the figures go down we still continue to heard the word uncontrolled!

Politicians use "uncontrolled" synonymously with "excessive, too high", which is true of levels in the last few years. Figures have come down but they are still substantially higher than numbers in the 2010s and earlier, which is why these words are still being used.

Cyberknight:
One wonders what sort of arrangement exists whereby statistically significant numbers of both children who attend state schools and their generally richer peers in private schools were transported regularly by a driver who overheard a significant number of their conversations to form a valid opinion. Probably not a taxi driver or a bus driver.

In any case that tired narrative about the alleged mindsets and drivers of "state school" children has long been debunked. As at last stats, 67% (and rising) of the resident undergraduate population in this country attended UK state schools. Obviously not all the people thronging the universities come from the privately-schooled group, so per your theory, even one wishes to advance contextual admissions as a reason, there must somehow have been a major remapping of the under-achieving youth population in the period between when their conversations were being overhead by this poll-taking driver and the period when universities around the country hold their Freshers Week.

Again, it goes without saying that large numbers of people who do not attend university go into alternative routes into employment. I work in the public sector and have many people in my department who took apprenticeships or went straight into employment with their school leaving qualifications, so the lack of interest in attending university is not necessarily an indicator of a deep-seated intention to under-achieve with minimum wage jobs and possibly later end up on benefits. It might also bear noting that quite a lot of the heavily over-subscribed grammar schools are non-fee paying.

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One of Blair's questionable legacies is his university policy, including setting a target of 50% of young adults going into higher education in the next century.

In theory, this pathway included an undergraduate degree or a vocational qualification, but in practice amongst young people, the growth in higher education has been almost entirely through undergraduate degree programmes. Decades later and this has contributed to a skills mismatch in the UK and a decline in the job prospects of young graduates, due to many degrees having a low or uncertain value in the labour market.

Thankfully the last Tory government and the current Labour government are trying to address this imbalance and encourage the uptake of apprenticeships and vocational courses. Not everyone needs to go to university in order to have a successful career.

jedisco:
Folks should be able to pick up any job to feed their family but if you were a professional/doing well in 9ja, then it's worth taking the time to craft a pathway for yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be in same field but it should pay well enough to see you enjoy things of life and plan for retirement. This is not even factoring in running a business

Well said

Cyberknight:
One wonders what sort of arrangement exists whereby statistically significant numbers of both children who attend state schools and their generally richer peers in private schools were transported regularly by a driver who overheard a significant number of their conversations to form a valid opinion. Probably not a taxi driver or a bus driver.

In any case that tired narrative about the alleged mindsets and drivers of "state school" children has long been debunked. As at last stats, 67% (and rising) of the resident undergraduate population in this country attended UK state schools. Obviously not all the people thronging the universities come from the privately-schooled group, so per your theory, even one wishes to advance contextual admissions as a reason, there must somehow have been a major remapping of the under-achieving youth population in the period between when their conversations were being overhead by this poll-taking driver and the period when universities around the country hold their Freshers Week.

Again, it goes without saying that large numbers of people who do not attend university go into alternative routes into employment. I work in the public sector and have many people in my department who took apprenticeships or went straight into employment with their school leaving qualifications, so the lack of interest in attending university is not necessarily an indicator of a deep-seated intention to under-achieve with minimum wage jobs and possibly later end up on benefits. It might also bear noting that quite a lot of the heavily over-subscribed grammar schools are non-fee paying.

Are you sure you read where OP specifically mentioned that they mentioned having places like McDonalds in mind already with no clear progression plan?

I think this is the first time they will specifically add ILLEGAL migrants

Seems Aunty Badenoch is starting to receive sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c708g5x2yqzo

Goodenoch:
Yes, had to pay application fees plus IHS each time. Been a chunk each time. Good thing is - if you or your spouse are in health and care (the industry, not the visa), you will be able to claim back the IHS fee installmentally.

I only felt guilt in the first place because it was a fairly small (by employee numbers) outfit but next couple of places have been massive organisations so much less personal.

The refund even, you only get about 65% back, not the full amount you paid.

Zahra29:
Second gen? Lol

As much as I love to help, I don't think I can in this instance as your premise is flawed. For starters, not sure who referred to immigrants as parasites - I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure I didn't hear Shabana say that, or even Suella.

Also, no where is it stipulated that a descendant of immigrants must forever be a proponent of uncontrolled migration, or else be labelled a sellout, gatekeeper etc - even a 1st gen migrant can be concerned about high migration levels if they see its detrimental effects.

No serious nation should ever let its immigration system go unchecked. Even with how unserious Nigeria can be, immigration should still be guarded carefully. However, the problem is that many of these people seem to focus on demonizing legal immigrants, often acting like they don’t even understand the very laws they’re trying to enforce. I keep hearing things like “migrants shouldn’t be on benefits,” and I honestly struggle to see how that makes sense, especially when it’s not even the case in reality.

jedisco:
I'd say be unapologetic about seeking the best for yourself along as it's within the rules and you try not to shatter connections unduly.

With many things, some people get it and some dont. I think it was Charlie Munger who said that when asked about having an economic mindset.

There are huge bottlenecks but it irks me when I see people limit themselves mentally and dont grab opp

When I came into the UK, despite my first role being a well paid job, I started planning for and went to an interview for my second role before fully starting the first. In 5 months, I resigned and moved on.
When I completed post-grad training, I narrowed down to 3 workplaces and was very clear. For the first, despite they had applied to the Home Office for visa sponsorship because of me (and got it), I told them if they can't match market rates I wouldn't be taking their offer and moved on. For the remaining two, I told the familiar one what the other was offering and as they couldn't match it, I left.
I enjoyed where I worked and after 2 yrs, resigned and worked via my company.

When the Canada PR route for healthcare workers launched, I grabbed it without thinking twice. Many here said I wad seeking utopia but I knew better.
On moving to Canada, after consideration, I decided to go with two clinics and work across sites. They are both aware. My plan remains to test both out and finally settle into one. No regrets so far.

At every stage, I had colleagues who had dithered and never took opportunities when they presented themselves. Many spent years with no forward plans. Recently I asked a recent arrival what their plans were and the lack of depth was annoying.

Reason why when folks insinuate opportunities are only out there for healthcare workers, I wonder whether its more of a chicken and egg scenario. Is it because that cohort are relatively less likely to settle for less? Even in 9ja, same was the case

I believe age plays a major factor
You don't expect baba tunde with 3 kids or papa chukwudi with kids to jumping around countries even when they have got a reasonable paying job that's way above average pay?
It's entirely not a bad idea but remember some folks migrated with family or do not have age on their side anymore.
Good luck to all of us on any category we belong

Mcleo007:
No serious nation should ever let its immigration system go unchecked. Even with how unserious Nigeria can be, immigration should still be guarded carefully. However, the problem is that many of these people seem to focus on demonizing legal immigrants, often acting like they don’t even understand the very laws they’re trying to enforce. I keep hearing things like “migrants shouldn’t be on benefits,” and I honestly struggle to see how that makes sense, especially when it’s not even the case in reality.

There are migrants on benefits like asylum seekers, approved refugees including European citizens who are in legally. The problem is those who aren’t entitled to benefits are not always separated from the discourse.

Goodenoch:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObsRoMjzGZ/?igsh=MTc1NnZ6ZmZ5azM3dA==

https://archive.is/W9ahu

Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story

“The populist narrative of a migrant-driven crimewave is catnip on social media and oil to the wheels of Reform. But it is so far from the truth that we’re in danger of losing sight of the country we live in.”

It becomes impossible to believe what the facts do seem to suggest: that our society, for all its faults, is probably safer, richer and better than any before it....
Such scepticism is partly human nature: as living standards rise, expectations rise faster. What was once extraordinary soon becomes the baseline; discontent becomes the norm. Which is just as well, because discontent remains the engine of human progress.

Interesting article... one I'd sure bookmark.

It's puts succinctly something I noticed a while back and my major bugbear of working in the UK- the entitlement was insatiable.

With investment and funding etc, the NHS might someday catch up with demand but it'd never catch up with how entitled the current British poplace are.

Older colleagues would recount how decades back, they did much less with much poorer health outcomes yet folks were appreciative and felt they were saving the world. Today, health indices are close to the best they've been yet healthcare workers are hounded.

All said, while not discounting the real challenges with the NHS, I believe that if people start self-paying for part of their healthcare like is the case in Canada, the EU and AUS, satisfaction might actually rise.

Goke7:
There’s never anything like uncontrolled immigration, visas were applied for and granted, even those coming by boats are being received and not that they just sneak in without anybody seeing them. The term or word uncontrolled is just political to always irk people against imaginary enemies. And even when the figures go down we still continue to heard the word uncontrolled!

Well said.

Zahra29:
Second gen? Lol

My question was simple- at what point does the change occur?
I see kids of colleagues and I dont see a Suelette or Kemi in them. At what point is that thinking likely to take hold?

Cyberknight:
One wonders

I'd gloss over the rigmarole. The chap in question was the driver who drove me on home visits. With him working as a driver in different roles for over 20yrs in a county with quite a few private schools, I don't have a reason to doubt him especially as it fits with common experience.


The private school population in the UK is less than 10% yet even for a nation that is relatively fair and priced itself in upholding her working class citizens, over 50% of prime ministers in recent decades have been private schooled. That distribution is even more stark in certain sectors.

In the UK, a local student progressing to uni is hardly an achievement. People don't pay thousands in private fees so that their kids can go to uni.


To believe that certain forms of education don't carry a demonstrable premium (both perceived and real) is folly.

-My county has no grammar school yet there are quite a few folks who'd have their kids be transported almost one hour in each direction to attend a Grammer school in another county.
-Even the highly regarded state school in my county has by default added 15-20k in prices to houses within it's catchment.
-When I got my place, one of my top questions was the quality of schools around even though I didn't have kids.
-Some parents rent a place or engage in do alot of rigmaroles to ensure their kids are within the catchment of certain schools.
-Top unis had to go out of their way and introduce steps that broadened access as it was quite clear where their admissions tilted to.

I have not been one to push private (even in 9ja) but I've always asked folks with kids there if it was worth it and the response even for many struggling to afford it has been similar. Its less about what/how they are thought (which is manytimes better) but more about the mindset it inculcates.

Past governments pushed uni education as it was a proven pathway to break entrenched class barriers which the UK was known for. With the resultant increase in supply, the value of a bland uni degree may have devalued but there are still many fields/circles that are still quite elitist and difficult to break into without the right education/contacts.
Of late the UK tried introducing an apprenticeship program for medicine- a reason was the feeling that local admissions were quite elitist and did not reflect the demography of the local populace. It's even worse in law e.t.c

Jamesclooney:
What are the actual alternatives bro? Not some vague aspire to perspire speech. Should I go to Canada? On what visa? USA…again on what visa? Etc. I’mm actually being open to hearing other ideas. I know a lot of people are in my boat, so doesn’t have to be specific to me.

Like someone stated EB1 or EB2 in the US comes to mind., the bar for EB2 is a bit lower but its processing time is a lot longer. One might also want to research UAE golden visa (although doesn't lead to citizenship), loads of people head to the UAE after they get UK ILR or citizenship there are loads of content on it on YouTube. Another option it the Portugal golden visa. Another alternative is to apply for Global talent with in the Uk ( if you believe you qualify for any of the streams). If you get global talent endorsement and you have been on skilled worker visa for upto 3 years, you can apply immediately for ILR. If, you have dependants, they dont have to switch visa witht he primary applicant, they can stay as skilled worker dependant and apply straight to ILR after you get the endorsement/visa.

jedisco:
I'd gloss over the rigmarole. The chap in question was the driver who drove me on home visits. With him working as a driver in different roles for over 20yrs in a county with quite a few private schools, I don't have a reason to doubt him especially as it fits with common experience.


The private school population in the UK is less than 10% yet even for a nation that is relatively fair and priced itself in upholding her working class citizens, over 50% of prime ministers in recent decades have been private schooled. That distribution is even more stark in certain sectors.

In the UK, a local student progressing to uni is hardly an achievement. People don't pay thousands in private fees so that their kids can go to uni.


To believe that certain forms of education don't carry a demonstrable premium (both perceived and real) is folly.

-My county has no grammar school yet there are quite a few folks who'd have their kids be transported almost one hour in each direction to attend a Grammer school in another county.
-Even the highly regarded state school in my county has by default added 15-20k in prices to houses within it's catchment.
-When I got my place, one of my top questions was the quality of schools around even though I didn't have kids.
-Some parents rent a place or engage in do alot of rigmaroles to ensure their kids are within the catchment of certain schools.
-Top unis had to go out of their way and introduce steps that broadened access as it was quite clear where their admissions tilted to.

I have not been one to push private (even in 9ja) but I've always asked folks with kids there if it was worth it and the response even for many struggling to afford it has been similar. Its less about what/how they are thought (which is manytimes better) but more about the mindset it inculcates.

Past governments pushed uni education as it was a proven pathway to break entrenched class barriers which the UK was known for. With the resultant increase in supply, the value of a bland uni degree may have devalued but there are still many fields/circles that are still quite elitist and difficult to break into without the right education/contacts.
Of late the UK tried introducing an apprenticeship program for medicine- a reason was the feeling that local admissions were quite elitist and did not reflect the demography of the local populace. It's even worse in law e.t.c

Regarding the bolded comments, allow me to refer you back to your original premise that state school attendees are under-achievers, because you are clearly refuting your own argument and are arguing in favour of my assertion. Please also note that most grammar schools are state schools and private schools do not have catchment areas. The people paying high house prices and rents to live in these areas because of desirable schools are "rushing" state schools.

Regarding the italicised, I don't disagree with the fact that the UK is still a classist society and that (mainly white) public school leavers run the country, set themselves up through old boy networks, etc. It's well known (a recent report for instance showed that about 3/4 of judges are white and public schooled). That was not the point you were trying to make. You tried to assert that state school attendees are under-achievers dreaming of minimum wage obscurity, and I'm pointing out to you that that assertion is incorrect.

Cyberknight:
Regarding the bolded comments, allow me to refer you back to your original premise that state school attendees are under-achievers, because you are clearly refuting your own argument and are arguing in favour of my assertion. Please also note that most grammar schools are state schools and private schools do not have catchment areas. The people paying high house prices and rents to live in these areas because of desirable schools are "rushing" state schools.

Regarding the italicised, I don't disagree with the fact that the UK is still a classist society and that (mainly white) public school leavers run the country, set themselves up through old boy networks, etc. It's well known (a recent report for instance showed that about 3/4 of judges are white and public schooled). That was not the point you were trying to make. You tried to assert that state school attendees are under-achievers dreaming of minimum wage obscurity, and I'm pointing out to you that that assertion is incorrect.

It appears you missed the whole point of my initial statement hence your post.

In simple terms I was saying that the worldview/mindset of a group of kids who attend a school where their parents could be paying over 10k per term (except they are talented enough to get a scholarship) would be on average quite different from the that of kids in a regular state school (which is largely a post code lottery). We can postulate what the possible drivers for this would be, but one thing is clear- it does feed into outcomes.
That's the reason I use private, grammar and even select regular state schools interchangeably in driving points. Many parents struggle to send their kids to these in an attempt to correct for certain variables i.e being among their peers with certain xtics.

Thats the whole point.

oluwaleokey:
I believe age plays a major factor
You don't expect baba tunde with 3 kids or papa chukwudi with kids to jumping around countries even when they have got a reasonable paying job that's way above average pay?
It's entirely not a bad idea but remember some folks migrated with family or do not have age on their side anymore.
Good luck to all of us on any category we belong

I agree age and family can be a significant limiter but it does appear that just like with many things, some get it, some don't.

Even if you attempt to correct for certain variables and take two similarly aged folks in same field who came into the country at about same time and work for same employer, some would be satisfied just with the fact they're now in the UK and settle for whatever, some wouldn't.

Moving countries is a symptom of the underlying driver. One can work in thesame role all thru while still pushing up and being unforgiving about seeking and taking opportunities. You wouldn't regards Giggs or Xavi any less good because they played most of their career at one club.

jedisco:
It appears you missed the whole point of my initial statement hence your post.

In simple terms I was saying that the worldview/mindset of a group of kids who attend a school where their parents could be paying over 10k per term (except they are talented enough to get a scholarship) would be on average quite different from the that of kids in a regular state school (which is largely a post code lottery). We can postulate what the possible drivers for this would be, but one thing is clear- it does feed into outcomes.
That's the reason I use private, grammar and even select regular state schools interchangeably in driving points. Many parents struggle to send their kids to these in an attempt to correct for certain variables i.e being among their peers with certain xtics.

Thats the whole point.

No sir, I most certainly did not. You very clearly denigrated state school students in your original quoted post, now you're saying that you were only talking up private (fee-paying) school attendance.

That's a straw man argument you're trying to set up there, you know.

In any event, there's no point going back and forth, so I'll wish you a good morning when it comes and leave you to it.

jedisco:
I agree age and family can be a significant limiter but it does appear that just like with many things, some get it, some don't.

Even if you attempt to correct for certain variables and take two similarly aged folks in same field who came into the country at about same time and work for same employer, some would be satisfied just with the fact they're now in the UK and settle for whatever, some wouldn't.

Moving countries is a symptom of the underlying driver. One can work in thesame role all thru while still pushing up and being unforgiving about seeking and taking opportunities. You wouldn't regards Giggs or Xavi any less good because they played most of their career at one club.

Oga I want to believe you are also a politician (9ja + UK)
You have succeeded in confusing you .
Anyways I admire your writing skills and illustrations.
I can partially agree with you when it comes to aged single bachelors however for a men in their early 40's with family+kids?
Ordinary changing kids school within same locality could impact them let alone moving countries, perhaps different languages, culture, society, system etc u go know how far be that

E get age way man go reach like this, u go understand better say obodo oyibo nah obodo oyibo o, as long u see fine fine houses, roads, environment, white oyibo and most especially the foreign currency, otito!

Imagine a student who came into the country single and stays with sister rent free. That sister works in corporate industry, she has made plans for him to choose the right course that will easily get him a job upon graduation while also enrolling him on other External courses like P2 making him job ready. She also paid 50% of his fees. All the said student did was to focus squarely on his academics. He graduated with flying colours acquring the a degree that is much sort after in the industry. his sister prep him for interview as she is in the industry and knows the nitty gritty of getting a job. I.e knowledge of crafting cv and sites to apply on.

At the end of the day he got a job with sponsorship. That same person will see you doing care job and look down on you and make statements like you are not upskilling and you are not doing enough.

person wey get soft landing plus right guidance go think say others no dey try or they are not applying pressure.
Nigerians go whyne you na you go use your head. By all means if you can upgrade your skill do that at your own pace and do whatever you can to remain legal.

Age is a huge factor. No go dey compare yourself with 25yrs old with no kids with 35 yrs with 2 kids or even someone who came in as a MD or with professional sponsorship.

Motivation is free na you go tailor am to suite your individual circumstances.

Stay hard!

oluwaleokey:
Oga I want to believe you are also a politician (9ja + UK)
You have succeeded in confusing you .
Anyways I admire your writing skills and illustrations.
I can partially agree with you when it comes to aged single bachelors however for a men in their early 40's with family+kids?
Ordinary changing kids school within same locality could impact them let alone moving countries, perhaps different languages, culture, society, system etc u go know how far be that

E get age way man go reach like this, u go understand better say obodo oyibo nah obodo oyibo o, as long u see fine fine houses, roads, environment, white oyibo and most especially the foreign currency, otito!

lavida001:
person wey get soft landing plus right guidance go think say others no dey try or they are not applying pressure.
Nigerians go whyne you na you go use your head. By all means if you can upgrade your skill do that at your own pace and do whatever you can to remain legal.

Again, I will always say "Excuses are easy"

Lots of people got that soft landing and still didn't do anything with it. A lot of students didn't get any soft landing but they researched before coming, right skills to seek etc

There is no excuse in today's digital age not to get basic information or do research before embarking on a life changing endeavour like relocating and leaving your comfort zone. People like Chidera Peters were sharing tips to select courses, write academic stuff and get distinction as far back as 2021 but our people were outsourcing their classwork and projects to Nigerians, not knowing that this will likely reflect on their ability to make something out of the degree in the job market.

Hell, Nairaland dey there for all your questions. ChatGPT can map everything for you and even give you solid advice that you can run with and see results regardless of the industry you are but excuses are easy .

Even in healthcare, it can be argued that there are more unlimited opportunities than tech itself as its a role that AI can never do, at least in the foreseeable future. I have told at least 6 people to try and get the NVQs and quickly move and exactly 0 of them have even bothered, even when its obvious it will help them get sponsorship and better paying jobs quicker.

I remember when Justwise was giving free advice on this forum, especially on the student thread, the people e dey try give advice, them even insult am join

At the end of the day, it boils down to the person and how bad they want to succeed or move up or ahead in life

Na so the thing go