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Disclaimer:. I am not Jehovah witness! You don't have to be JW before acknowledging certain unpopular truths in the scripture.

I won't post details of my research here because it's very lengthy, and comprehensive. But I discovered a number of reasons why Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Note I didn't use God for a reason. We should be very particular about the God we are talking about because the Almighty God has a name, the son has a name too.
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The name of the Christian God is Yahweh or Jehovah.And most Christians think Jesus is Jehovah God. Jehovah God is different from Christ the Lord.

There's no way you can conclusively proof that Jesus is also Yahweh or Jesus is also Jehovah except you are a poor and uncritical bible researcher.
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However I have few reasons why a lot of lazy Christians just believe Jesus is Jehovah.

1. Jesus is God in his own right. But he's not Jehovah. If you can understand how Jesus is God but not Jehovah, then you can have a good start at understanding the very subtle differences btw the son and the Father. You must first understand that "God" is just a title not a proper name.

2. Most Christians don't have personal conviction that is founded on personal research. They just flow with what the general Christians body says. Or they just nod their head , jump up and scream yes to whatever their Daddy GO says.

3. They don't believe their Daddy GO can make mistakes because no one can have complete knowledge of everything about God and spirituality. We are not meant to have that complete knowledge. That's why the bible says we know in part. We see in part. Until we come unto complete perfect knowledge when Christ come.

4. Their argument that Jesus is Yahweh is very weak, coming from The book of Isaiah where prophecy about the birth of Christ also mentions the name he will be called.
The book of Revelation where Alpha and Omega is mentioned, and the book of John chapter 1 , the famous in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.

I'm not here to present argument against or for, because I have seen over the years that people prefer to die with their bias, than accept they are wrong in the face of superior evidence.

Imagine basing the argument that Jesus is Yahweh using only 3 or 4 books from a Bible that contains 66 books and over 60 books where tonnes of evidence shows Jesus is a separate entity from Yahweh... It's crazy how religious bias work.


5. Reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will quickly tell you that Jesus never for once equate himself to be Yahweh. Never. He never implied he came by himself. He always referred to an entity superior to him who sent him. He always gave Yahweh the glory and always call him Father and always call him his GOD. But people just ignore.

6. Some Christians believe that not seeing Jesus as same as Yahweh is blasphemy or belittles the divine nature of God. No it doesn't. The disciples never for once, not Peter, not Paul, Not any ever thought Jesus was Yahweh. They all knew Yahweh and differentiated him from Christ in all of their writings.
You only have to open your eyes and mind while reading new testament to realise no disciples thought Jesus was Yahweh. Not one, not in their writings. The Father is always referenced as a different entity from the Son.
But Christians of 2025 and their GOs seems to know more than Christ disciples.

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Well, Jesus is God in relation to creation, the universe, powers and all .... In that respect Jesus is God because Yahweh made him God... But in relation to Yahweh , he's not God, they are different entity. He's Yahwehs son for whom, through whom by whom Yahweh designated the Destiny of the whole creation.

If you run a critical analysis of the new testament to know if the early Christians or the disciples thought Jesus was also the Father or was also Jehovah, the result will show how ridiculous such question is by just reading their epistles. Then you will now wonder if Nigerian Christians know Jesus and Jehovah more than the direct disciples of Christ.


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Dangote said, "let there be a working refinery in Nigeria", and there is a working refinery in Nigeria.

I know some will wait for him to say, "let there be light", but he's God in my book already.

budaatum:
Dangote said, "let there be a working refinery in Nigeria", and there is a working refinery in Nigeria.

I know some will wait for him to say, "let there be light", but he's God in my book already.

Of course he's a god that has jurisdiction in Nigerians business/private sector. That's doesn't make him the President.
So Jesus is God in relation to the universe, the creation, and the destiny of the universe, yet that doesn't make him Jehovah. Jesus defers to Jehovah and Jehovah makes him heir of everything

FreeSpirited:
Of course he's a god that has jurisdiction in Nigerians business/private sector. That's doesn't make him the President.
So Jesus is God in relation to the universe, the creation, and the destiny of the universe, yet that doesn't make him Jehovah. Jesus defers to Jehovah and Jehovah makes him heir of everything

I'm glad he's not the president, yet. Besides, God is much higher than president, so president will be a sort of demotion for him.

As for Jesus being God according to the Bible, is as ludicrous as claiming the creation in God's image on day 6, is the same Adam created from mud after day 7, and is indicative of the inability to read with one's own senses and just believe what one is told.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

They are coming for you and mind you as long as you don't believe Jesus is Jehovah then there is no ground for the belief of Trinity the opinion that God is three in one person or three persons in one being.
Though the tradition or origin of Trinity affirms that the three Gods are coequal and coeternal even though there is no scriptural backing for this opinion many claiming "Christians" just hold on to it and to them whoever disagrees is going straight to Hellfire (another unscriptural doctrine)🙂

Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.
HE ALSO AFFIRMED HE IS THE SON OF GOD.

The above is more than sufficient to convince any sincere person about the person of Christ and his mission.

Anyone using the deity of Christ argument to deny the person of Christ os just being insincere.

FreeSpirited:
Disclaimer:. I am not Jehovah witness! You don't have to be JW before acknowledging certain unpopular truths in the scripture.

I won't post details of my research here because it's very lengthy, and comprehensive. But I discovered a number of reasons why Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Note I didn't use God for a reason. We should be very particular about the God we are talking about because the Almighty God has a name, the son has a name too.
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The name of the Christian God is Yahweh or Jehovah.And most Christians think Jesus is Jehovah God. Jehovah God is different from Christ the Lord.

There's no way you can conclusively proof that Jesus is also Yahweh or Jesus is also Jehovah except you are a poor and uncritical bible researcher.
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However I have few reasons why a lot of lazy Christians just believe Jesus is Jehovah.

1. Jesus is God in his own right. But he's not Jehovah. If you can understand how Jesus is God but not Jehovah, then you can have a good start at understanding the very subtle differences btw the son and the Father. You must first understand that "God" is just a title not a proper name.

2. Most Christians don't have personal conviction that is founded on personal research. They just flow with what the general Christians body says. Or they just nod their head , jump up and scream yes to whatever their Daddy GO says.

3. They don't believe their Daddy GO can make mistakes because no one can have complete knowledge of everything about God and spirituality. We are not meant to have that complete knowledge. That's why the bible says we know in part. We see in part. Until we come unto complete perfect knowledge when Christ come.

4. Their argument that Jesus is Yahweh is very weak, coming from The book of Isaiah where prophecy about the birth of Christ also mentions the name he will be called.
The book of Revelation where Alpha and Omega is mentioned, and the book of John chapter 1 , the famous in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.

I'm not here to present argument against or for, because I have seen over the years that people prefer to die with their bias, than accept they are wrong in the face of superior evidence.

Imagine basing the argument that Jesus is Yahweh using only 3 or 4 books from a Bible that contains 66 books and over 60 books where tonnes of evidence shows Jesus is a separate entity from Yahweh... It's crazy how religious bias work.


5. Reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will quickly tell you that Jesus never for once equate himself to be Yahweh. Never. He never implied he came by himself. He always referred to an entity superior to him who sent him. He always gave Yahweh the glory and always call him Father. But people can't see.

6. Some Christians believe that not seeing Jesus as same as Yahweh is blasphemy or belittles the divine nature of God. No it doesn't. The disciples never for once, not Peter, not Paul, Not any ever thought Jesus was Yahweh. They all knew Yahweh and differentiated him from Christ in all of their writings.
You only have to open your eyes and mind while reading new testament to realise no disciples thought Jesus was Yahweh. Not one, not in their writings. The Father is always referenced as a different entity from the Son.
But Christians of 2025 and their GOs seems to know more than Christ disciples.

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Well, Jesus is God in relation to creation, the universe, powers and all .... In that respect Jesus is God because Yahweh made him God... But in relation to Yahweh , he's not God, they are different entity. He's Yahwehs son for whom, through whom by whom Yahweh designated the Destiny of the whole creation.

If you run a critical analysis of the new testament to know if the early Christians or the disciples thought Jesus was also the Father or was also Jehovah, the result will show how ridiculous such question is by just reading their epistles. Then you will now wonder if Nigerian Christians know Jesus and Jehovah more than the direct disciples of Christ.


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Isaiah 44:6 described yahweh as the only God. There are no two Gods but only one.

So Jesus cannot be another God from yahweh.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Compare this with

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Whoever fails to distinguish between the two cannot be saved because there is a reason God keeps emphasizing on the importance of recognizing Jesus as His only begotten Son!

SIRTee15:
Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.

If someone set rules and lived by his own rules can we say such a person is OBEDIENT? Hebrews 5:7

Surely it's being obedient to someone else we are to imitate from Jesus not setting up standards by ourselves and claiming we are obedient for living by our own standard.

So when God said Jesus is His only begotten Son who has always pleased Him {Matthew 17:5} this can never ever be the same person talking about Himself because it will make no practical sense!

FreeSpirited:
Of course he's a god that has jurisdiction in Nigerians business/private sector. That's doesn't make him the President.
So Jesus is God in relation to the universe, the creation, and the destiny of the universe, yet that doesn't make him Jehovah. Jesus defers to Jehovah and Jehovah makes him heir of everything

Yahweh is not in the bible especially as it is even said to be Canaanite god. And the Bible records that Isreal worshipped the Canaanite gods too.

"Ancient Deity: Yahweh was once considered a Canaanite deity of weather and war before becoming the national god of Israel and Judah"

So, you cannot join Jesus to Yahweh

Dtruthspeaker:
Yahweh is not in the bible especially as it is even said to be Canaanite god. And the Bible records that Isreal worshipped the Canaanite gods too.

"Ancient Deity: Yahweh was once considered a Canaanite deity of weather and war before becoming the national god of Israel and Judah"

So, you cannot join Jesus to Yahweh

Yahweh exists in the scripture, though he's distinct from Jesus. It was translation to English that changed Yahweh and Jehovah which are both same transliteration, to LORD . ANYWHERE YOU SEE IN THE SCRIPTURE WHERE capital letter is used to write LORD OR GOD.... the real word there is Jehovah or Yahweh

Steep:
Isaiah 44:6 described yahweh as the only God. There are no two Gods but only one.

So Jesus cannot be another God from yahweh.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Compare this with

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

These are the weakest of argument to puncture... But i won't go round doing that..... Cos I've seen time and time against Nigerian Christians don't have ability to see beyond their bias.

FreeSpirited:
Yahweh exists in the scripture, though he's distinct from Jesus. It was translation to English that changed Yahweh and Jehovah which are both same transliteration, to LORD . ANYWHERE YOU SEE IN THE SCRIPTURE WHERE capital letter is used to write LORD OR GOD.... the real word there is Jehovah or Yahweh

There is no place in the bible where Yahweh is mentioned.

Further did you not read that the Israelites worshipped the gods of Canaan? And now Yahweh is said to be a Canaanite god

Does that not tell you that The LORD Who Spoke to Abraham before his seed japad to Canaan is not Yahweh?

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Yes, Yahweh was likely a Canaanite deity who was eventually integrated into the Israelite religion,

Steep:
Isaiah 44:6 described yahweh as the only God. There are no two Gods but only one.

So Jesus cannot be another God from yahweh...

Yahweh is not in the bible.

Did you not read that the Israelites worshipped the gods of Canaan? And now Yahweh is said to be a Canaanite god

Does that not tell you that The LORD Who Spoke to Abraham before his seed japad to Canaan is not Yahweh?

AI Overview
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Yes, Yahweh was likely a Canaanite deity who was eventually integrated into the Israelite religion,

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no place in the bible where Yahweh is mentioned.

Further did you not read that the Israelites worshipped the gods of Canaan? And now Yahweh is said to be a Canaanite god

Does that not tell you that The LORD Who Spoke to Abraham before his seed japad to Canaan is not Yahweh?

AI Overview
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Yes, Yahweh was likely a Canaanite deity who was eventually integrated into the Israelite religion,

This is not a biblical statement, and I have to question the authority from whence your statement or assertion came. This is what the Bible says when God speaking to Moses clarified his real name when trying to introduce himself to Moses before he was sent to lead Isreal out of Egypt.

Exodus 6:2-3
[2]And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: (NB: 'LORD' here was transliterated from the word Yahweh in the Hebrew manuscript)
[3]And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


So obviously this is God telling Moses his real name.... God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as El shaddai.... Which means Almighty God.... But revealed himself to Moses as Yahweh/Jehovah according to this verse

FreeSpirited:
These are the weakest of argument to puncture... But i won't go round doing that..... Cos I've seen time and time against Nigerian Christians don't have ability to see beyond their bias.

Their problem started with Bible versions replacing God's personal name with the title "LORD"
Take for instance David said:

"Jehovah (Yahweh) is my shepherd" Psalms 23:1
But in most Bible versions it's rendered:
"The Lord is my shepherd"

So whenever churchians read anything in the Old Testament they thought it's all Jesus and as they often say "Jesus is Lord" but please read Psalm 110:1 where David said:

"Jehovah said to my Lord"

Their translators are confused so they translated it
"The Lord said to my Lord"

If you ask a Churchian what you will hear is the capital LORD is for the father while the small is for the Son yet they'll still say it's the same person!😟

FreeSpirited:
This is not a biblical statement, and I have to question the authority from whence your statement or assertion came. This is what the Bible says when God speaking to Moses clarified his real name when trying to introduce himself to Moses before he was sent to lead Isreal out of Egypt.

Exodus 6:2-3
[2]And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: (NB: 'LORD' here was transliterated from the word Yahweh in the Hebrew manuscript)
[3]And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


So obviously this is God telling Moses his real name.... God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as El shaddai.... Which means Almighty God.... But revealed himself to Moses as Yahweh/Jehovah according to this verse

See, you just accused others of holding on to their biased yet here you are holding unreasonably to your own.

You say LORD' was translated from the word Yahweh. If so, did you not see that in the bible shows that Isreal rejected God, even from Egypt and they sought to replace and substitute Him with the gods of Canaan as evidenced by the golden calf affair?

And funny, this Yahweh word is the only word which shares meaning and connection with Canaanite god, how come?

Does this not make it very suspicious especially as all the other Names ascribed to God are Independent, Pure and Holy in line with God's Nature except this word Yahweh which is corrupted by being the same name of the gods of Canaan whom we see the Israelites loved and adopted to be their god?

Dtruthspeaker:
See, you just accused others of holding on to their biased yet here you are holding unreasonably to your own.

You say LORD' was translated from the word Yahweh. If so, did you not see that in the bible shows that Isreal rejected God, even from Egypt and they sought to replace and substitute Him with the gods of Canaan as evidenced by the golden calf affair?

And funny, this Yahweh word is the only word which shares meaning and connection with Canaanite god, how come?

Does this not make it very suspicious especially as all the other Names ascribed to God are Independent, Pure and Holy in line with God's Nature except this word Yahweh which is corrupted by being the same name of the gods of Canaan whom we see the Israelites loved and adopted to be their god?

Israel's love for strange gods started before their journey to Canaan. It's understandable cos they knew no other gods except the gods and religion of Egypt which was polythiestic, until Moses came to tell and teach them of the way of Yahweh demonstrated by unrivalled power and miracles.
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Conflating Yahweh with Canaanite God is quite disingenuous if I must say. In the scripture, gods like Baal, Astoreth, Micolm, were common gods associated with Israel's rebellion, and it's apt that Yahwehs first and greatest law is that you should love only your God who is Yahweh and served no other gods which was the debacle of the Israelite.
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So which Canaanite god perse are you conflating with Yahweh, ? I must say u are blaspheming, calling Yahweh a Canaanite deity

Dtruthspeaker:
See, you just accused others of holding on to their biased yet here you are holding unreasonably to your own.

You say LORD' was translated from the word Yahweh. If so, did you not see that in the bible shows that Isreal rejected God, even from Egypt and they sought to replace and substitute Him with the gods of Canaan as evidenced by the golden calf affair?

And funny, this Yahweh word is the only word which shares meaning and connection with Canaanite god, how come?

Does this not make it very suspicious especially as all the other Names ascribed to God are Independent, Pure and Holy in line with God's Nature except this word Yahweh which is corrupted by being the same name of the gods of Canaan whom we see the Israelites loved and adopted to be their god?

Meanwhile, I want to be sure you know the etymology of the word YAHWEH, I hope I wasn't assuming you knew.
Because it's disingenuous to conflate YAHWEH a holy name of God that came from Tetrgrammatom of jewish letter in an attempt to give the name of God a sound YHWH. which is like breath.... You need to present how YHWH became or was a Canaanite god

FreeSpirited:
Meanwhile, I want to be sure you know the etymology of the word YAHWEH, I hope I wasn't assuming you knew.
Because it's disingenuous to conflate YAHWEH a holy name of God that came from Tetrgrammatom of jewish letter in an attempt to give the name of God a sound YHWH. which is like breath.... You need to present how YHWH became or was a Canaanite god

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We do not need to go into the DNA of small pox and all the grammar to identify small pox.

Without going into DNA of words and etymology the history shows the fact that Canaan has a god called Yahweh.

Isreal went to Canaan and took up those same gods in solid and consistent rejection of The God of their father Abraham.

Now we have a name, the only name out of all the other Holy Names ascribed to The Holy God of Abraham which have no blemish.

But here we have this ONE blemished word called Yahweh, a name attached to a murder filled corrupt Canaanite god and you do not find that questionable and suspicious as you accept all those contorted shii..s trying to connect an unholy thing to a Holy God?

It does not add up man.

FreeSpirited:
Israel's love for strange gods started before their journey to Canaan. It's understandable cos they knew no other gods except the gods and religion of Egypt which was polythiestic, until Moses came to tell and teach them of the way of Yahweh demonstrated by unrivalled power and miracles.

Please avoid raising excuses for Isreal's blatant rejection of God. Especially as if you are not deceiving yourself you would know that a rebellion means a rejection.

FreeSpirited:
Conflating Yahweh with Canaanite God is quite disingenuous if I must say. In the scripture, gods like Baal, Astoreth, Micolm, were common gods associated with Israel's rebellion, and it's apt that Yahwehs first and greatest law is that you should love only your God who is Yahweh and served no other gods which was the debacle of the Israelite.
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So which Canaanite god perse are you conflating with Yahweh, ? I must say u are blaspheming, calling Yahweh a Canaanite deity

The bible clearly stated Isreal worshipped Canaanite gods. And here we have a name ascribed to a Canaanite murderfilled god being attached to Holy God.

And you do not find that suspicious?

You would be the one blaspheming by attaching a Canaanite god unto the Holy One!

Dtruthspeaker:
yp

We do not need to go into the DNA of small pox and all the grammar to identify small pox.

Without going into DNA of words and etymology the history shows the fact that Canaan has a god called Yahweh.

Isreal went to Canaan and took up those same gods in solid and consistent rejection of The God of their father Abraham.

Now we have a name, the only name out of all the other Holy Names ascribed to The Holy God of Abraham which have no blemish.

But here we have this ONE blemished word called Yahweh, a name attached to a murder filled corrupt Canaanite god and you do not find that questionable and suspicious as you accept all those contorted shii..s trying to connect an unholy thing to a Holy God?

It does not add up man.

Why should I believe you or your source that Canaanite had a god called Yahweh, which was never alluded in the scripture.

What's the authority of your source?
And how historically accurate is your source?
How do you proof that the first supreme Being named Yahweh isn't that of God of Israel. The burden of proof is on you, because anti-Christians sentiments are known to play around with unpopular historical claims they can't proof. As I said the burden of proof is on you, it's not about just saying Jesus is a native of Kaduna, you have to proof such claims beyond doubt. And the historical authority of your source must be superior to Bible

FreeSpirited:
Disclaimer:. I am not Jehovah witness! You don't have to be JW before acknowledging certain unpopular truths in the scripture.

I won't post details of my research here because it's very lengthy, and comprehensive. But I discovered a number of reasons why Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Note I didn't use God for a reason. We should be very particular about the God we are talking about because the Almighty God has a name, the son has a name too.
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The name of the Christian God is Yahweh or Jehovah.And most Christians think Jesus is Jehovah God. Jehovah God is different from Christ the Lord.

There's no way you can conclusively proof that Jesus is also Yahweh or Jesus is also Jehovah except you are a poor and uncritical bible researcher.
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However I have few reasons why a lot of lazy Christians just believe Jesus is Jehovah.

1. Jesus is God in his own right. But he's not Jehovah. If you can understand how Jesus is God but not Jehovah, then you can have a good start at understanding the very subtle differences btw the son and the Father. You must first understand that "God" is just a title not a proper name.

2. Most Christians don't have personal conviction that is founded on personal research. They just flow with what the general Christians body says. Or they just nod their head , jump up and scream yes to whatever their Daddy GO says.

3. They don't believe their Daddy GO can make mistakes because no one can have complete knowledge of everything about God and spirituality. We are not meant to have that complete knowledge. That's why the bible says we know in part. We see in part. Until we come unto complete perfect knowledge when Christ come.

4. Their argument that Jesus is Yahweh is very weak, coming from The book of Isaiah where prophecy about the birth of Christ also mentions the name he will be called.
The book of Revelation where Alpha and Omega is mentioned, and the book of John chapter 1 , the famous in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.

I'm not here to present argument against or for, because I have seen over the years that people prefer to die with their bias, than accept they are wrong in the face of superior evidence.

Imagine basing the argument that Jesus is Yahweh using only 3 or 4 books from a Bible that contains 66 books and over 60 books where tonnes of evidence shows Jesus is a separate entity from Yahweh... It's crazy how religious bias work.


5. Reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will quickly tell you that Jesus never for once equate himself to be Yahweh. Never. He never implied he came by himself. He always referred to an entity superior to him who sent him. He always gave Yahweh the glory and always call him Father. But people can't see.

6. Some Christians believe that not seeing Jesus as same as Yahweh is blasphemy or belittles the divine nature of God. No it doesn't. The disciples never for once, not Peter, not Paul, Not any ever thought Jesus was Yahweh. They all knew Yahweh and differentiated him from Christ in all of their writings.
You only have to open your eyes and mind while reading new testament to realise no disciples thought Jesus was Yahweh. Not one, not in their writings. The Father is always referenced as a different entity from the Son.
But Christians of 2025 and their GOs seems to know more than Christ disciples.

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Well, Jesus is God in relation to creation, the universe, powers and all .... In that respect Jesus is God because Yahweh made him God... But in relation to Yahweh , he's not God, they are different entity. He's Yahwehs son for whom, through whom by whom Yahweh designated the Destiny of the whole creation.

If you run a critical analysis of the new testament to know if the early Christians or the disciples thought Jesus was also the Father or was also Jehovah, the result will show how ridiculous such question is by just reading their epistles. Then you will now wonder if Nigerian Christians know Jesus and Jehovah more than the direct disciples of Christ.


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You have not presented any arguments to teach us your findings.

You just leave us more bewildered than you met us.


A clearer analysis would be better.

FreeSpirited:
Why should I believe you or your source that Canaanite had a god called Yahweh, which was never alluded in the scripture.

What's the authority of your source?
And how historically accurate is your source?
How do you proof that the first supreme Being named Yahweh isn't that of God of Israel. The burden of proof is on you, because anti-Christians sentiments are known to play around with unpopular historical claims they can't proof. As I said the burden of proof is on you, it's not about just saying Jesus is a native of Kaduna, you have to proof such claims beyond doubt. And the historical authority of your source must be superior to Bible

Is Google not on your phone again for easy and quick research and check of facts?

This is the height and depth of denial.

So my proof is discharged for it is clearly stated that Isreal went to Canaan and took up the gods the Canaanites worshipped in solid and consistent rejection of The God of their father Abraham.

And history via Google clearly states that one of the Canaanites god is called Yahweh.

So, if you dispute this facts as provided by Google and its several sources, it is you who has the burden of rebutting their evidence and claim.

And already you see none of the 64 viewers which included people who are learned in both the bible and history have come to say that I am lying. So this is a matter that is just between you and your denial

Dtruthspeaker:
Is Google not on your phone again for easy and quick research and check of facts?

This is the height and depth of denial.

So my proof is discharged for it is clearly stated that Isreal went to Canaan and took up the gods the Canaanites worshipped in solid and consistent rejection of The God of their father Abraham.

And history via Google clearly states that one of the Canaanites god is called Yahweh.

So, if you dispute this facts as provided by Google and its several sources, it is you who has the burden of rebutting their evidence and claim.

And already you see none of the 64 viewers which included people who are learned in both the bible and history have come to say that I am lying. So this is a matter that is just between you and your denial

Your claim came as ridiculous actually. And it seems you don't even realize that Google is just a dumping ground for all manner of web pages that anyone can write out of different motivation and bias.
Imagine for instance telling me that a satanist who writes a book to critique the bible or Christian doctrine will be fair, of course your first intellectual honest mind will definitely consider a good chance of conflict of interest and bias.
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So back to your ludicrous claim, who are these researchers, and what is there authority to claim Yahweh started as a Canaanite God. Lol. Very ridiculous. Please provide your source and let's validate and analyse their research.

FreeSpirited:
Disclaimer:. I am not Jehovah witness! You don't have to be JW before acknowledging certain unpopular truths in the scripture.

I won't post details of my research here because it's very lengthy, and comprehensive. But I discovered a number of reasons why Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Note I didn't use God for a reason. We should be very particular about the God we are talking about because the Almighty God has a name, the son has a name too.
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The name of the Christian God is Yahweh or Jehovah.And most Christians think Jesus is Jehovah God. Jehovah God is different from Christ the Lord.

There's no way you can conclusively proof that Jesus is also Yahweh or Jesus is also Jehovah except you are a poor and uncritical bible researcher.
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However I have few reasons why a lot of lazy Christians just believe Jesus is Jehovah.

1. Jesus is God in his own right. But he's not Jehovah. If you can understand how Jesus is God but not Jehovah, then you can have a good start at understanding the very subtle differences btw the son and the Father. You must first understand that "God" is just a title not a proper name.

2. Most Christians don't have personal conviction that is founded on personal research. They just flow with what the general Christians body says. Or they just nod their head , jump up and scream yes to whatever their Daddy GO says.

3. They don't believe their Daddy GO can make mistakes because no one can have complete knowledge of everything about God and spirituality. We are not meant to have that complete knowledge. That's why the bible says we know in part. We see in part. Until we come unto complete perfect knowledge when Christ come.

4. Their argument that Jesus is Yahweh is very weak, coming from The book of Isaiah where prophecy about the birth of Christ also mentions the name he will be called.
The book of Revelation where Alpha and Omega is mentioned, and the book of John chapter 1 , the famous in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.

I'm not here to present argument against or for, because I have seen over the years that people prefer to die with their bias, than accept they are wrong in the face of superior evidence.

Imagine basing the argument that Jesus is Yahweh using only 3 or 4 books from a Bible that contains 66 books and over 60 books where tonnes of evidence shows Jesus is a separate entity from Yahweh... It's crazy how religious bias work.


5. Reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John will quickly tell you that Jesus never for once equate himself to be Yahweh. Never. He never implied he came by himself. He always referred to an entity superior to him who sent him. He always gave Yahweh the glory and always call him Father. But people can't see.

6. Some Christians believe that not seeing Jesus as same as Yahweh is blasphemy or belittles the divine nature of God. No it doesn't. The disciples never for once, not Peter, not Paul, Not any ever thought Jesus was Yahweh. They all knew Yahweh and differentiated him from Christ in all of their writings.
You only have to open your eyes and mind while reading new testament to realise no disciples thought Jesus was Yahweh. Not one, not in their writings. The Father is always referenced as a different entity from the Son.
But Christians of 2025 and their GOs seems to know more than Christ disciples.

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Well, Jesus is God in relation to creation, the universe, powers and all .... In that respect Jesus is God because Yahweh made him God... But in relation to Yahweh , he's not God, they are different entity. He's Yahwehs son for whom, through whom by whom Yahweh designated the Destiny of the whole creation.

If you run a critical analysis of the new testament to know if the early Christians or the disciples thought Jesus was also the Father or was also Jehovah, the result will show how ridiculous such question is by just reading their epistles. Then you will now wonder if Nigerian Christians know Jesus and Jehovah more than the direct disciples of Christ.


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of what use to all these argument to ascertain whether Jesus is God or not?

Does the knowledge give eternal life?

paxonel:
of what use to all these argument to ascertain whether Jesus is God or not?
Does the knowledge give eternal life?

YES!
This is what Jesus himself said:

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. John 17:3

Jesus said it's knowing two persons that will open the door to everlasting life so whoever says it's the same person that sent himself such an individual is far away from salvation!😟

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
This is what Jesus himself said:

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. John 17:3

Jesus said it's knowing two persons that will open the door to everlasting life so whoever says it's the same person that sent himself such an individual is far away from salvation!😟

Ok ,
Compare this scripture

And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. John 17:3

to this one

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

What do you think?

Be objective

FreeSpirited:
Your claim came as ridiculous actually. And it seems you don't even realize that Google is just a dumping ground for all manner of web pages that anyone can write out of different motivation and bias.
Imagine for instance telling me that a satanist who writes a book to critique the bible or Christian doctrine will be fair, of course your first intellectual honest mind will definitely consider a good chance of conflict of interest and bias.
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So back to your ludicrous claim, who are these researchers, and what is there authority to claim Yahweh started as a Canaanite God. Lol. Very ridiculous. Please provide your source and let's validate and analyse their research.

Then, since you dispute that that Google's reports on Yahweh being a Canaanite god is not True, then the burden is on you to supply the valid evidence and proof in rebuttal to me and Google if you have it. But I know you don't have any hence all these antics of placing burden of proof even when it is your turn to prove your denial but you cannot because you never knew that Yahweh that people scream all over the place is a Canaanite god

paxonel:
Ok ,
Compare this scripture
And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. John 17:3
to this one
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
What do you think?
Be objective

Title "GOD" in Hebrew form doesn't have upper or lower case it's the person interpreting to English that will use discretion to differentiate between the Gods in question.
Jesus (the word) was a God in the time he walked the earth just as Moses was a God {Exodus 7:1} that's why Peter liking Jesus to Moses as both prophets had a lot in common.
Both of them were:

*Humans.
*Called "God".
*Without food for 40 days and 40 nights.
*Performed great miracles.
*Served as mediators of covenant.
*Knew God one on one.
*Their corpse were taken away by angels.

In view of these similarities God told the Israelites that He will choose another prophet among them like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever fails to listen to that prophet will be cut off from among the living {Deuteronomy 18:19 compare to John 3:16-18} Peter the apostle confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is that promised prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses. Act 3:22

So when John wrote his own gospel it was the last book written after the death of all other apostles that book was to remind the Jewish Christians that Jesus is the prophet who served as God just as their God promised to send another prophet/God to them like Moses not that Jesus is the Almighty God!😟

Dtruthspeaker:
Then, since you dispute that that Google's reports on Yahweh being a Canaanite god is not True, then the burden is on you to supply the valid evidence and proof in rebuttal to me and Google if you have it. But I know you don't have any hence all these antics of placing burden of proof even when it is your turn to prove your denial but you cannot because you never knew that Yahweh that people scream all over the place is a Canaanite god

You made an infamous blasphemous claim by calling the name of the Almighty a deity from Cannan. I told you to prove your claim, you say it's from Google, then I ask you to bring the source and research so we can analyse their claim, u are telling me the burden of proof is on me. How? When you have not even submitted the source of your inglorious claim so we can examine if it's worth our time or just like miriads of many Antichristian mischief makers across the globe who are bent on speaking ill of anything Jehovah and his Son.

Oga don't you tell me to make a proof. I have no proof to establish that Yahweh is a Canaan God, that's a satanic blasphemy. You are the one who is speaking for this Canaanite god,so u must prove to the world that ur so called god is who he is.... I speak for Yahweh who is the maker of heaven and earth who revealed himself to Moses, and sent us his son in the last days to reveal his eternal plan.
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This is how they deceive you guys, and u people are so swolen up in your spiritual pride and darkness. Thinking you know what you are doing, but you have no foundation, no hope, no solid ground, standing on heresies, philosophies that has no eternal place

MaxInDHouse:
Title "GOD" in Hebrew form doesn't have upper or lower case it's the person interpreting to English that will use discretion to differentiate between the Gods in question.
Jesus (the word) was a God in the time he walked the earth just as Moses was a God {Exodus 7:1} that's why Peter liking Jesus to Moses as both prophets had a lot in common.
Both of them were:

*Humans.
*Called "God".
*Without food for 40 days and 40 nights.
*Performed great miracles.
*Served as mediators of covenant.
*Knew God one on one.
*Their corpse were taken away by angels.

In view of these similarities God told the Israelites that He will choose another prophet among them like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever fails to listen to that prophet will be cut off from among the living {Deuteronomy 18:19 compare to John 3:16-18} Peter the apostle confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is that promised prophet who is to come in the manner of Moses. Act 3:22

So when John wrote his own gospel it was the last book written after the death of all other apostles that book was to remind the Jewish Christians that Jesus is the prophet who served as God just as their God promised to send another prophet/God to them like Moses not that Jesus is the Almighty God!😟

Don't even attempt to bring proofs from the Bible.. These people have eyes, they cant see, they only want to hear what their GO tells them not what the scripture truly says...
Their are hundreds of glaring unmistakable verses that shows Jesus is not Jehovah. Don't bother.

Many don't even know LORD and GOD capital letters means Yahweh, many among them don't even know that it was English that invented the idea of using capital letter "G" to write God, in the original manuscript it was not so. People who don't understand those basic nuance will come and be arguing, u will be wasting time... There are more than a hundred verse coming from Christ himself and the disciples... But they chose to ignore it .


This is Jesus speaking after he resurrected from grave o telling them he's going to his GOD, and telling the disciples that this GOD is also their GOD....
John 20:17
[17]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Even here Jesus is saying he doesn't know when the trumpet will sound, not even angels knows, not even the Son referring to himself, only the Father which is clearly not him. But Naija Christians believe Christ is the Father.

Mark 13:32
[32]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


I am not here to bring any proof because it's really crazy to conclude Jesus is Jehovah when he himself never made that claim ...