₦airaland Forum

justwise:
Totally agreed but military intervention by a foreign govt is never the solution as that never worked anywhere in the world.

American defence contractors are rubbing their hands together now waiting to start selling guns and other aminations to us and laugh their way to the bank. We will pay for this war with our resources while the country is destroyed and the war will never end.

Justwise, what's the solution?

Biko, never try to outsmart your employers..... If you're sick and receiving sick pay....... Stay sick in your house and rest.......

The consequence of double dipping, might burn you......🤔

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25597536.princess-royal-hospital-orpington-former-doctor-jailed/

babajeje123:
Justwise, what's the solution?

Nigerian govt is the solution, the Nigeria govt knew those sponsoring the extremist groups, the Nigerian govt knew how they get amination supply, Nigerian govt can equip our military to get the job done. All these militant groups are political tools in the hands of some northern politicians. We do not need a foreign military intervention.

babajeje123:
Justwise, Nigerians are not getting killed by militants. They are getting killed by Fulani Herdsmen, Islamic Jihadists, and Boko Haram. Let's start by calling a spade what it is first. That said, the killings started in the North with Christians as the main victims. The silence of the Nigeria government, coupled with the supports these terrorists received from some state governors and Islamic leaders like Gumi, made the killings continue, and the Muslims are now becoming victims.

Trump is not starting any religious war in Nigeria. The war started many years back in the North and gradually, it's coming to the South. We need all the external supports we can get to end these ethnic cleansing and religious genocides since our governments, both state and Federal, are highly useless.

They can also be referred to as militants, you can decide to call them by their group name or affiliations.

Again both Christians and Muslims are getting killed, this is not about only Christians ONLY, i will also suggest that more Muslims are getting killed than Christians in the North.

Trumps focus on Christians only is a cynical way to start a religious war, show me a single verifiable report that stated that only Christians are getting killed in the North. JUST ONE. Please don't give a report from InterSociety.

If this military intervention starts it will not start and end in the North, it will spread to the South and the East, even more Christians will be killed.

This is my prayer to you all supporting this military intervention: May you live to see the consequences of what you supported.

justwise:
Nigerian govt is the solution, the Nigeria govt knew those sponsoring the extremist groups, the Nigerian govt knew how they get amination supply, Nigerian govt can equip our military to get the job done. All these militant groups are political tools in the hands of some northern politicians. We do not need a foreign military intervention.

Did you just say Nigerian government is the solution? Are you being sarcastic?
For decades nigerian government has been pampering these fulani terrorists while they kept killing upon killing with no end in sight. The same government crushes any other threat in any other part of the country but won't ever go hard on these special terrorists.
It is easy to sit in the comfort of your safe cities in the south or abroad and be saying no to foreign military intervention, please ask people in the line of fire crying for help for decades without any if they give a damn about foreign military intervention.
Nobody likes a foreign military intervention in their country but if your country is useless and can't protect you and will never protect you at least we have seen this evidence for more than a decade then no big deal about foreign military intervention.
If these terrorists killing Christians are also killing Muslims as claimed then doesn't it mean eliminating these terrorists also end the killing of Muslims? Will it not also benefit the Muslim community who are also victims? What is the brouhaha all about?
Two things can be true at the same time. Trump is a werey, I'm not his fan and can never be his fan. But if his intervention whether by threats or an actual strikes is going to stop these unnecessary killings in the middle belt, I'll take it irrespective of his motives. For goodness sake, there are people who have lost their families and can't go near their communities anymore cos they have been captured by fulani terrorists and we are still here debating, where was nigerian government all these while?

Kenn55:
Did you just say Nigerian government is the solution? Are you being sarcastic?
For decades nigerian government has been pampering these fulani terrorists while they kept killing upon killing with no end in sight. The same government crushes any other threat in any other part of the country but won't ever go hard on these special terrorists.
It is easy to sit in the comfort of your safe cities in the south or abroad and be saying no to foreign military intervention, please ask people in the line of fire crying for help for decades without any if they give a damn about foreign military intervention.
Nobody likes a foreign military intervention in their country but if your country is useless and can't protect you and will never protect you at least we have seen this evidence for more than a decade then no big deal about foreign military intervention.
If these terrorists killing Christians are also killing Muslims as claimed then doesn't it mean eliminating these terrorists also end the killing of Muslims? Will it not also benefit the Muslim community who are also victims? What is the brouhaha all about?
Two things can be true at the same time. Trump is a werey, I'm not his fan and can never be his fan. But if his intervention whether by threats or an actual strikes is going to stop these unnecessary killings in the middle belt, I'll take it irrespective of his motives. For goodness sake, there are people who have lost their families and can't go near their communities anymore cos they have been captured by fulani terrorists and we are still here debating, where was nigerian government all these while?

No i'm not, i'm dead serious, the solution to the killing falls on the feet of Nigerian govt and not American military intervention.

American politicians and Trump have used the figure 100,000 Christians killed in Nigeria since 2009 , that figure is from[b] InterSociety[/b], the same organisation reported that in the same period 60,000 "moderate Muslims" also died, did you hear Trump and his bootlickers mentioned that? No, do you have any idea how many American died of mass shooting last year alone? 711 , in 2023 average of 18,854 , figure for 2021 is 48,830 , why haven't the American govt stopped mass shooting by simply restricting gun ownership?

Please help me o.
Who has booked a flight to the UK through Lufthansa airline from Nigeria?

We currently booked a flight for Grandma to visit the UK from Nigeria through Lufthansa because it was the most affordable at the time and hubby didn't pay for changes to be able to update the ticket or anything else.

Now someone said we must also apply for a transit visa for her as she would not be allowed into Frankfurt in Germany for layover without it.

We have successfully filled the transit Visa application form through the German embassy online, but the problem is we can't book an appointment for her Biometrics on VFS global website.

How do I book appointment for Biometrics for the transit visa application?
Her flight is in December.


Please If you have done this before, please enlighten me. Thank you.

Lexusgs430:
Biko, never try to outsmart your employers..... If you're sick and receiving sick pay....... Stay sick in your house and rest.......

The consequence of double dipping, might burn you......🤔

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25597536.princess-royal-hospital-orpington-former-doctor-jailed/

Very unfortunate.....contentment is a great gain in life....

Na why it is good to invest the little change you have left rather than doing locums here and there....imagine going to jail for 3 yrs at 61 yrs

ukay2:
Very unfortunate.....contentment is a great gain in life....

Na why it is good to invest the little change you have left rather than doing locums here and there....imagine going to jail for 3 yrs at 61 yrs

It seems it's more prevalent, in the medical sector(I wonder why)....... 🤣😂

A nurse is currently facing NMC, for actively working for 2 employers (2 full time positions together at the same time, within the same time period)...... 🤣⌚😂

Day shift with employer 1, on the same day, night shift with employer 2.......😂😊🌃

Otokitifunmi:
Please help me o.
Who has booked a flight to the UK through Lufthansa airline from Nigeria?

We currently booked a flight for Grandma to visit the UK from Nigeria through Lufthansa because it was the most affordable at the time and hubby didn't pay for changes to be able to update the ticket or anything else.

Now someone said we must also apply for a transit visa for her as she would not be allowed into Frankfurt in Germany for layover without it.

We have successfully filled the transit Visa application form through the German embassy online, but the problem is we can't book an appointment for her Biometrics on VFS global website.

How do I book appointment for Biometrics for the transit visa application?
Her flight is in December.


Please If you have done this before, please enlighten me. Thank you.

I fly Only Lufthansa cos it goes to PH. This is so unfortunate, there is no way around it, you must have a transit visa if you do not have an EU passport. They will check two times, so there is no escaping What you should enquire from them now is if you can do it on arrival at the point of transit.You never know answer can be yes..If this is not possible then you will need to buy a fresh tkt,but ask 1st.

Justwise's hatred for Trump always cloud his judgement in issues that concern Trump or America. Saying Nigerians are being killed by militants when even the deaf and blind knows that Boko Haram terrorists are behind the killings.

After being called out, went on to say they can be referred to as militants. Twisting narratives because of disdain for Trump.

justwise:
Totally agreed but military intervention by a foreign govt is never the solution as that never worked anywhere in the world.

American defence contractors are rubbing their hands together now waiting to start selling guns and other aminations to us and laugh their way to the bank. We will pay for this war with our resources while the country is destroyed and the war will never end.

Let's be practical here. Whats the solution?

What should I tell someome who has seen their family nembers r**ped, killed, kidnapped, burnt alive? To wait and hope? I have seen folks who had their whole family wiped out and only escaped via a stroke of luck.

For all intents, Trump may be using this to bully Nigeria into subservience given our refusal to acquiesce to his plan to deport untethered folks to Nigeria- a move which might have given other African nations the nerve to say no. Or perhaps, he is trying to shift attention from his turbulent dip at the polls.
All said, as much as I despise Trump, given what I've seen, I cannot in all honesty tell folks caught up in this to sit and wait.

jedisco:
Let's be practical here. Whats the solution?

What should I tell someome who has seen their family nembers r**ped, killed, kidnapped, burnt alive? To wait and hope? I have seen folks who had their whole family wiped out and only escaped via a stroke of luck.

For all intents, Trump may be using this to bully Nigeria into subservience given our refusal to acquiesce to his plan to deport untethered folks to Nigeria- a move which might have given other African nations the nerve to say no. Or perhaps, he is trying to shift attention from his turbulent dip at the polls.
All said, as much as I despise Trump, given what I've seen, I cannot in all honesty tell folks caught up in this to sit and wait.

I have stated the solution here before and my view on that hasn't changed.

Trump doesn't give a toilet brush about Christians in Nigeria or human life in general, the current Nigerian govt and previous administrations have failed Nigeria but they are the only one that can fix this mess.

If the American military forces start operation in Nigeria the situation will get worst, more ''cherished Christians'' will die and peace and security will be a distant memory

justwise:
I have stated the solution here before and my view on that hasn't changed.

Trump doesn't give a toilet brush about Christians in Nigeria or human life in general, the current Nigerian govt and previous administrations have failed Nigeria but they are the only one that can fix this mess.

If the American military forces start operation in Nigeria the situation will get worst, more ''cherished Christians'' will die and peace and security will be a distant memory

So following your “logic”, let the status quo of killings continue unabated because it is only the inept Nigeria government that can take action (issue that started since 2009). Trump and other Nigerians calling for intervention be damned. Like many have said, no one cares about the pretext, just let the killings stop. Thousands killed under Tinubu govt alone. Not to talk of kidnapping and banditry.

Also please stop the red herring talk of invasion or a ground offensive; the US can send drones or missiles to take out the terrorists in the camps and enclave without one soldier setting foot on Nigerian soil. Please wake up my brother. People are dying!

Jamesclooney:
So following your “logic”, let the status quo of killings continue unabated because it is only the inept Nigeria government that can take action (issue that started since 2009). Trump and other Nigerians calling for intervention be damned. Like many have said, no one cares about the pretext, just let the killings stop. Thousands killed under Tinubu govt alone. Not to talk of kidnapping and banditry.

Also please stop the red herring talk of invasion or a ground offensive; the US can send drones or missiles to take out the terrorists in the camps and enclave without one soldier setting foot on Nigerian soil. Please wake up my brother. People are dying!

No you need to wake up because you have been in coma since 2003, America has never won any war on terror whether troop on ground or by air strike, America has never bring peace and security to any country they engaged militarily.

They will fail miserably in Nigeria the same way to failed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. Boke haram and other militant groups will be even stronger by the time America withdraw in shame leaving Nigeria in pieces

justwise:
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No you need to wake up because you have been in coma since 2003, America has never won any war on terror whether troop on ground or by air strike, America has never bring peace and security to any country they engaged militarily.

They will fail miserably in Nigeria the same way to failed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. Boke haram and other militant groups will be even stronger by the time America withdraw in shame leaving Nigeria in pieces

I'll take you serious only when you or your family members relocate to those communities under attack. You stay in your safe environment and you dismiss the cry for help from the victims.

You think the Nigerian government who are thinking of winning 2027 will go hard on the fulani terrorists that would upset their base? Are you this naive? Why haven't they done it for more than a decade?

Yes, America war on terror hasn't been a success in most places but it doesn't mean it will fail in this case. All cases aren't the same. Even if it fails, the victims have nothing more to lose cos they are already being wiped out gradually. He who is on the ground fears no fall.

Something else has to be done to try to stop this madness and I don't care where it is going to come from. Saving the lives of the victims is more important than the politics of the people involved at this point. How else do you want me to say this?

US State Department to allow denial of immigrant visas to those with certain medical conditions.

...Applicants for immigrant visas to the U.S. could be rejected if they have certain medical conditions under a new State Department directive, the agency confirmed.

Certain medical conditions — including, but not limited to, cardiovascular diseases, respiratory diseases, cancers, diabetes, metabolic diseases, neurological diseases, and mental health conditions — can require hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of care,” the cable states.



https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5595789-immigrant-visas-medical-conditions-state-department/

Canada, Australia and other countries have similar medical exams for certain categories of immigrants before admitting them or granting them settlement status.

Apart from TB, the UK has zero health checks and does not deny visas or settlement on this basis.

Kenn55:
I'll take you serious only when you or your family members relocate to those communities under attack. You stay in your safe environment and you dismiss the cry for help from the victims.

You think the Nigerian government who are thinking of winning 2027 will go hard on the fulani terrorists that would upset their base? Are you this naive? Why haven't they done it for more than a decade?

Yes, America war on terror hasn't been a success in most places but it doesn't mean it will fail in this case. All cases aren't the same. Even if it fails, the victims have nothing more to lose cos they are already being wiped out gradually. He who is on the ground fears no fall.

Something else has to be done to try to stop this madness and I don't care where it is going to come from. Saving the lives of the victims is more important than the politics of the people involved at this point. How else do you want me to say this?

Say it with your thinking cap on and say it without emotion.

You knew that American war on terror never worked but some how you want them to use Nigeria as their next killing field?

The Home Secretary is set to announce a major shake-up of the immigration and asylum system later this month.

Shabana Mahmood will model some of her new measures on the Danish system - seen as one of the toughest in Europe.

It is understood officials have been looking at Denmark's tighter rules on family reunion and restricting most refugees to a temporary stay in the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go

...For those who say that the government encourages the boat crossings and is very soft on asylum seekers.

Zahra29:
The Home Secretary is set to announce a major shake-up of the immigration and asylum system later this month.

Shabana Mahmood will model some of her new measures on the Danish system - seen as one of the toughest in Europe.

It is understood officials have been looking at Denmark's tighter rules on family reunion and restricting most refugees to a temporary stay in the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go

...For those who say that the government encourages the boat crossings and is very soft on asylum seekers.

But most people who have been successfully granted asylum when fleeing conflicts are now only allowed to remain in the country on a temporary basis

Temporary basis means? 2 or 3 yrs? What happens if the individual get married to a British citizen? .

justwise:
But most people who have been successfully granted asylum when fleeing conflicts are now only allowed to remain in the country on a temporary basis

Temporary basis means? 2 or 3 yrs? What happens if the individual get married to a British citizen? .

I believe under the Danish model, temporary means until their home country is judged to be safe to return. For example Denmark recently deemed Syria a safe country and refused to renew the residence permits of Syrian refugees.

We'll find out more when the policy details are announced, but I imagine that if an asylum seeker enters into a genuine and subsisting marriage with a British citizen, and meets relevant legal requirements, then they should be allowed to settle under the spousal route.

Zahra29:
I believe under the Danish model, temporary means until their home country is judged to be safe to return. For example Denmark recently deemed Syria a safe country and refused to renew the residence permits of Syrian refugees.

We'll find out more when the policy details are announced, but I imagine that if an asylum seeker enters into a genuine and subsisting marriage with a British citizen, and meets relevant legal requirements, then they should be allowed to settle under the spousal route.

That is the loophole in this policy, this policy is not actually new, yrs ago Zimbabweans were allowed to stay in the UK when Mugabe was running his thing until when Zimbabwean situation gets better

justwise:
I have stated the solution here before and my view on that hasn't changed.

Trump doesn't give a toilet brush about Christians in Nigeria or human life in general, the current Nigerian govt and previous administrations have failed Nigeria but they are the only one that can fix this mess.

If the American military forces start operation in Nigeria the situation will get worst, more ''cherished Christians'' will die and peace and security will be a distant memory

I'm struggling to get your practical take on this.

Some folks in Jos pushed to raise awareness of this in the U.S after years of begging for help

1. What is your advise to folks in Jos or southern Kaduna who have seen village after vilage decimated and much of their kit and kin killed? All this happened while they were begging the Nigerian society to come to their rescue. What would be your advise- should the remaining residents of Kagoro sit and beg the government while waiting for their turn to be killed?

2. What if it was your village and relatives being affected- would that change your response? If 17 members of your family were machetted down in a day (like someone I know), would your response still be to keep waiting for the government?

Lastly, If the answer is to beg the government, how long do they need to do that before it becomes obvious it's not working?

It does appear that many Nigerians underestimate the true reach of terror in Nigeria.

I said it years ago that I have my doubts the Nigerian government can truly defeat these terrorists even in decades. With each passing day, these terrorists grow stronger. It's easy to think that what we have now as a nation is the norm. Far from it- the world keeps changing and even in modern times, lines keep being redrawn.

After a long stint in the south, I remember visiting Zaria, alighting from a bus at night and froze as I saw a young boy with a plate begging for money. I stood looking at him for over 10 secs and all that flashed back was part of my childhood and hoardes of kids that came around begging.

Despite growing up in the north and thinking I had a good understanding of the north, my time in Kano changed my perspective. I lived in good part of the city yet my alarm clock daily was tens of young boys who'd come around in different batches singing and begging for alms. I encountered many sleeping on the road pavement or bare floor at night. I always asked myself if there are these many out-of-school boys begging, where are their female counterparts because they obviously were not in school and there was very little female representation in the office space. While a few of the boys came from surrounding states, with time I got to know that many of their female counterparts lived most of their lives behind high walls waiting to be married off to make more out-of-school kids and sadly some used to settle debt. It doesn't surprise that Kano has one of the highest birth rates in the world.

What irks me is the fact that things are getting worse. Those out of school kids are increasing in number. Those boys grow up in the worst of conditions being indoctrinated, traumatised and left with little or no skills to make money. Does it surprise that the gunmen have an unlimited source of foot soldiers? Combine this with the wide, largely under-developed terrain in the north, discovery of solid minerals to sell on the black market, porous (or non-existent) land borders, most of northern Africa being run by ragtag militias, resource limitations of the Nigerian state, corruption etc. then you see my skepticism

There's much talk about seperatist narrative from the east. However, I belive the strongest concern to the Nigerian states continued existence is growing terror. And to be clear, this is not a north vs south issue as most parts of Nigeria are struggling. It's just the reality of my experience

Zahra29:
Canada, Australia and other countries have similar medical exams for certain categories of immigrants before admitting them or granting them settlement status.

Apart from TB, the UK has zero health checks and does not deny visas or settlement on this basis.

We should do well to have a rounded conversation as this place grows. There is no point cherrypicking stuff to suit ones narrative.

Discussions around migration should be about weighing pros and cons. I've gone through the main migration pathway for both the UK and Canada and can say for most, the later is easier to get into but then, that's hardly the point here.

What I want to see is a comparison of what each nation has to offer and not the constant urge to excuse any negative change on the basis that 'Saudi Arabia' doesn't allow migrants to do xyz

jedisco:
I'm struggling to get your practical take on this.

Some folks in Jos pushed to raise awareness of this in the U.S after years of begging for help

1. What is your advise to folks in Jos or southern Kaduna who have seen village after vilage decimated and much of their kit and kin killed? All this happened while they were begging the Nigerian society to come to their rescue. What would be your advise- should the remaining residents of Kagoro sit and beg the government while waiting for their turn to be killed?

2. What if it was your village and relatives being affected- would that change your response? If 17 members of your family were machetted down in a day (like someone I know), would your response still be to keep waiting for the government?

Lastly, If the answer is to beg the government, how long do they need to do that before it becomes obvious it's not working?

Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one.

If America truly care about the 'cherished Christians in Nigeria and want to put pressure on Nigeria govt to do more then there are many other tools they can use to intensify the pressure..sanction Nigerian politicians, seize their assets, travel ban including their families, work with Nigerian military by sharing intelligent about the location of these militants, cut off their weapon supply channel, supply Nigerian military with weapons, the same level of support Israel received to go after Hamas in Gaza and outside Gaza city.
America did all that without carrying out air strike or putting foot on ground.

You know why they haven't do that or interested in doing that? This is not about cherished Christians getting killed, they want to get hold of Nigerian natural resources and control the govt as they have done in every single country they forced their way into.

If you think that the American govt give a sh.t about the killing in Nigeria then i want you to pass over to me whatever you have been smoking

justwise:
Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one. ..

Again, I am not in support of a U.S intervention or violation of our sovereignty but I cannot look at those being whose relatives are being murdered and tell them to wait for their turn. The image of a butchered truck of bodies brought in or burning bodies during riots is forever etched in my memory.

In practical terms, could you give an answer to my questions

jedisco:
Again, I am not in support of a U.S intervention or violation of our sovereignty but I cannot look at those being whose relatives are being murdered and tell them to wait for their turn. The image of a butchered truck of bodies brought in or burning bodies during riots is forever etched in my memory.

In practical terms, could you give an answer to my questions

No worry e go do you like film trick, I pray the go ahead with their plans so we can see who's right or wrong

jedisco:
Again, I am not in support of a U.S intervention or violation of our sovereignty but I cannot look at those being whose relatives are being murdered and tell them to wait for their turn. The image of a butchered truck of bodies brought in or burning bodies during riots is forever etched in my memory.

In practical terms, could you give an answer to my questions

You are.

Yes, there is large scale terror in Nigeria.

Yes, America's intervention would make things worse than it currently is.

Two truths can co-exist at the same time.

justwise:
Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one.

If America truly care about the 'cherished Christians in Nigeria and want to put pressure on Nigeria govt to do more then there are many other tools they can use to intensify the pressure..sanction Nigerian politicians, seize their assets, travel ban including their families, work with Nigerian military by sharing intelligent about the location of these militants, cut off their weapon supply channel, supply Nigerian military with weapons, the same level of support Israel received to go after Hamas in Gaza and outside Gaza city.
America did all that without carrying out air strike or putting foot on ground.

You know why they haven't do that or interested in doing that? This is not about cherished Christians getting killed, they want to get hold of Nigerian natural resources and control the govt as they have done in every single country they forced their way into.

If you think that the American govt give a sh.t about the killing in Nigeria then i want you to pass over to me whatever you have been smoking

They will rather cancel visas of innocent people and lie and claim in the media that they have banned or revoked visas of people involved in drinking and driving, or those who got involved in anti govt protests and all sorts of crap. They never go after or sanction politically exposed persons linked to terrorism. Phew!

Otokitifunmi:
Please help me o.
Who has booked a flight to the UK through Lufthansa airline from Nigeria?

We currently booked a flight for Grandma to visit the UK from Nigeria through Lufthansa because it was the most affordable at the time and hubby didn't pay for changes to be able to update the ticket or anything else.

Now someone said we must also apply for a transit visa for her as she would not be allowed into Frankfurt in Germany for layover without it.

We have successfully filled the transit Visa application form through the German embassy online, but the problem is we can't book an appointment for her Biometrics on VFS global website.

How do I book appointment for Biometrics for the transit visa application?
Her flight is in December.


Please If you have done this before, please enlighten me. Thank you.

I think it’s always better to go thru routes where we hardly hear about complaints of transit visa. Folks who use KLM or even Air France hardly have issues. It’s better to always check out these airlines properly before booking tickets. Affordability shouldn’t always be the only consideration.