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justwise:
You are.

I find it worrying that despite asking repeatedly, the only solution you're offering to what is increasingly the certain demise of many Nigerians is for them to sit and wait for their turn.

My posts on this have been clear. Never been a fan of Trump (even opined he may be looking to bully Nigeria and Africa through this). Neither am I oblivious of his possible underlying motives. However, I cannot tell those who have seen their villages decimated over the last decade to sit and wait for their turn.

hammed71:
No worry e go do you like film trick, I pray the go ahead with their plans so we can see who's right or wrong

So what should these Nigerians being killed daily do? Sit and wait for their turn I guess?

If you are worried about my stance, you should thank God it's not my family facing what many of the villagers are. Then you'd see how extreme views can be.

If you're responding, please don't forget to add what these Nigerians should do

Raalsalghul:
Yes, there is large scale terror in Nigeria.

Yes, America's intervention would make things worse than it currently is.

Two truths can co-exist at the same time.

Yea

The question I keep asking myself is.....


How can a bunch of people that call themselves "elite" be so dull to sit back and watch, or even suspectedly so, tacitly support the level of killings going on in Nigeria

They are all acting like they don't care

These guys can be wiped out easy over the course of one year
But the special Interest groups protect them

Rubbish

“The former governor of Bauchi State, (Isa) Yuguda, was able also to go with a government delegation into the bush and they met more than 5000 bandits. They are all complaining — those who have lost their parents, those who have lost their brothers, those from hostility too,” Gumi said.

Does not surprise that I woke up to these headlines on NL.

The government is organising prayers and going to beg. The victims should wait for their attackers to show mercy but in the interim start paying tax to these bandits and sending their daughters over as gifts to appease them as many communities already are.

This is what folks say victims should wait for. It's easy to tell folks to sit and wait when one is far removed from the chaos. The shocking lack of empathy is telling.

There is no concrete plan to go ahead with robust community policing, immediately ending the almaj*r* scheme, manaditing education for kids, perhaps approaching China for cheaper drones, expanding the federal police and military and and making them be proactive in their response, chanelling the exorbitant pay of our federal and legislative politicians into security, tangible infrastructural and economic investment into a populace that is increasingly being impoverished e.t.c.

The last governments solution was to fashion a grazing route in the 21st century. This ones plan seems to be to plaster over it and pretend it does not exist

RodgersAkpafu:
The question I keep asking myself is.....


How can a bunch of people that call themselves "elite" be so dull to sit back and watch, or even suspectedly so, tacitly support the level of killings going on in Nigeria

They are all acting like they don't care

These guys can be wiped out easy over the course of one year
But the special Interest groups protect them

Rubbish

It became a huge enterprise actually just like any war when it starts the enterprise and business part of it makes it continue. I think that’s where folks are also concerned about the Americans coming in cos another huge and bigger enterprise might emerge just like the Ukraine war and then it becomes another story. It’s a deadlock actually anywhere you turn for solace. Now that’s a terrible place to be in.

jedisco:
I find it worrying that despite asking repeatedly, the only solution you're offering to what is increasingly the certain demise of many Nigerians is for them to sit and wait for their turn.
My posts on this have been clear. Never been a fan of Trump (even opined he may be looking to bully Nigeria and Africa through this). Neither am I oblivious of his possible underlying motives. However, I cannot tell those who have seen their villages decimated over the last decade to sit and wait for their turn.

What is worrying here is the fact that you knew that American military intervention will lead to disaster in Nigeria but in an attempt to sound sympathetic you are still suggesting that military intervention is the only solution for the killing going on.

I have listed a number of possible solutions here but as that is not what you want to hear you keep asking me to repeat it again and again.

Nigerian govt is so corrupt that they play politics with everything, Tinubu is more concerned about winning the next election, nobody really cares about the cry for help over the years from Jos, South Kaduna, Benue and recently Niger and Kwara states. I remember vividly the fulani idiots tried coming close to Lagos, they striked along Ibadand and other parts of Oyo state, Akeredolu of blessed memory took it upon himself to declare total war in Ondo/Ekiti and Osun states.

Someone asked what is the solution to banditory? My answer is, every Governor most be proactive instead of being reactive, take the war to them, you as a Gov should declare war on banditory unless you are complicit, organise local vigilantes, spend money on them stop stealing and looting the montly allocations, employ the youths and train them to become vigilantes, equip them with amunitions, pay them well, put a bounty on the heads of the bandits and see how banditry will naturally and gradually fizzle out.

If anyone here believes USA or Donald Trump is coming to fight your battle for you in Nigeria and hand over governance to the existing thieves[leaders] at the end of the day, you are living in fools paradise, nobody is gonna fight your war for you.

Most of us do travel home for dirty december and what not, once US moves in, let me see how you are going to visit your lovely Nigeria, am even sure US intels will advice Trump against starting a war in Nigeria, if Nigerians ever gets displaced, I wonder how many countries would be able to accept an exodus of asylum seeking Nigerians.

justwise:
What is worrying here is the fact that you knew that American military intervention will lead to disaster in Nigeria but in an attempt to sound sympathetic you are still suggesting that military intervention is the only solution for the killing going on.

I have listed a number of possible solutions here but as that is not what you want to hear you keep asking me to repeat it again and again.

As regards what to do, the only thing I remember you saying is that the solution lies with the Nigerian government i.e they should wait until such a time the government looks their way. In practical terms, they should wait for their turn to be killed.

We can only guesstimate what an intervention by the U.S would bring. What we know for certain is that many parts are being decimated as we speak. What I have said is simple- I cannot in the comfort of Canada/UK ask those who are being killed to sit and wait for their turn. I can't offer them a pill I know I wouldn't take. If I can't profer a solution, then I should approach whatever solution they find with empathy.

Again, for the fourth time at least I ask-what should those being killed do?

Teedol:
Someone asked what is the solution to banditory? My answer is, every Governor most be proactive instead of being reactive, take the war to them, you as a Gov should declare war on banditory unless you are complicit, organise local vigilantes, spend money on them stop stealing and looting the montly allocations, employ the youths and train them to become vigilantes, equip them with amunitions, pay them well, put a bounty on the heads of the bandits and see how banditry will naturally and gradually fizzle out.

Almost there but not quite. The governors have been 'trying' since 2010.

If it was my question you're referring to- it's simple.
What should the victims do? I have seen villages being laid bare with hundreds killed. Many locals in Kaduna, Jos e.t.c know their village is next in line to be decimated. What should they do?

jedisco:
Almost there but not quite. The governors have been 'trying' since 2010.

If it was my question you're referring to- it's simple.
What should the victims do? I have seen villages being laid bare with hundreds killed. Many locals in Kaduna, Jos e.t.c know their village is next in line to be decimated. What should they do?

First, am afraid the Governors and local council chairmen are not doing enough, we read everyday in the news how some Governors and law makers now reside in Abuja permanently, yet they get re-elected every 4 years to various positions by the same oppressed people.

2nd, if you know you are in such critical danger, you prepare defence and rally your co villagers, if not possible because of superior fire power, flee to a safe place, why would I wait to be overrun by bandits?

justwise:
Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one.

If America truly care about the 'cherished Christians in Nigeria and want to put pressure on Nigeria govt to do more then there are many other tools they can use to intensify the pressure..sanction Nigerian politicians, seize their assets, travel ban including their families, work with Nigerian military by sharing intelligent about the location of these militants, cut off their weapon supply channel, supply Nigerian military with weapons, the same level of support Israel received to go after Hamas in Gaza and outside Gaza city.
America did all that without carrying out air strike or putting foot on ground.

f you think that the American govt give a sh.t about the killing in Nigeria then i want you to pass over to me whatever you have been smoking

Thoughtful solutions except the bold. The Nigerian military is compromised and largely full of incompetent people. The talk about seizing natural resources does not hold as Western companies controlled a greater share of our oil production until they opted to drill elsewhere, where the costs and community relations are better off. If na rare earth, other countries have them in abundance, and nothing stops American allied companies and countries from owning and operating mines in Nigeria. The issue with rare earth is the refining, which the Chinese control. No African country can attain that height.

Teedol:
First, am afraid the Governors and local council chairmen are not doing enough, we read everyday in the news how some Governors and law makers now reside in Abuja permanently, yet they get re-elected every 4 years to various positions by the same oppressed people.

2nd, if you know you are in such critical danger, you prepare defence and rally your co villagers, if not possible because of superior fire power, flee to a safe place, why would I wait to be overrun by bandits?

First paragraph is spot on. Hence why I can't fault victims for seeking help.

The second is more nuanced.
First these villages have a known location. The herdsmen OTOH are nomads and have been migrating for centuries. Looking at the gear these gunmen weild, anyone looking to challenge them needs to be well armed. How do villagers reliably fund the procurement of similar weaponry? Would they start kidnapping folks and demanding ransom like herdsmen did? Would their known rich folks be willing to go head on with the government by sponsoring purchaes? Even if the issue of finance is solved, we move to supply lines. How do they procure these weapons? Most of these weapons come via the Sahara with supply routes manned by folks herdsmen share a common heritage with. Thirdly even if they get the weapons and are ready, they are just sitting ducks waiting for the Nigerian army to swoop on, place allegations on and retrieve weapons from. We've seen this occur on multiple occasions in KD and Jos. Even the former Benue state governor could not arm the security team meant to deter herdsmen.


Lastly, asking folks to flee is quite easy when you are far. In the past, I used watch videos of war casualties around the world and wonder why folks didn't just run away. Lets remember almost every human would do everything possible to protect their life.
These people and their progenitors have spent their whole lives in that place. Their livelihood comes from there as many are farmers. If the get up and run, who will feed them? Where would they stay? And most importantly, they create a vacuum for bandits to move into. Sadly, this is now happening in many parts.
Talking about where they'd stay is also quite important. I've had to sleep in the police barracks for some days during an ethnic riot. Trust me, it was a very unpleasant experience. I look at pictures of IDP camps and would wish it on no one. There's a reason why after sometime in an IDP camp some folks attempt to go back to their hometown and strike a deal with bandits by paying them huge sums or part of their farm produce. If nothing is done, then ultimately a formidable ethnic militia would arise to counter these bandits. By then, it may be too late.

It's a sorry state of affairs and I would never fault victims for seeking help. If Trumps threat causes the Nigerian government to act, then their pleas would have achieved something.

It remains amazing to me how this whole U.S. intervention is still something that we debate. However sinister the intentions behind the intervention might be, and of course we all know it is not entirely a Christian genocide, as the victims of the banditry and terrorism are people of both Islam and Christian faith. But what we all can agree to or should agree to is the fact that the killings have to stop.

We can deny it all we want, but as someone once said, if an insurgency lasts beyond 24 hours, then the government is complicit in it. For this insurgency to have lasted for more than 15 years tells a bigger story that we all fail to acknowledge or we just deny for the sake of it.

In the wake of this call, we can all see how proactive the government has been on the matter. This just shows that they had it within them to have curbed or even totally eradicated the terrorists, but just chose not to. And like some people have said here, it is not up to anyone to tell the victims of these attacks what to do.

My hometown and local government area in Kogi State have been under steady attack for the past few months now. You want to tell me at this point I should give a damn about preserving the integrity of Nigeria? No, I don’t. As much as I know there’s a chance that U.S. intervention might escalate the situation beyond what it is, I also know there’s a chance it doesn’t have to.

The government should rather see the charge by Trump as a wake up call for them to do what is right.

justwise:
What is worrying here is the fact that you knew that American military intervention will lead to disaster in Nigeria but in an attempt to sound sympathetic you are still suggesting that military intervention is the only solution for the killing going on.

I have listed a number of possible solutions here but as that is not what you want to hear you keep asking me to repeat it again and again.

For the last time on this issue.

First of all, how did we get here? Kinsmen of the victims abroad have been crying out to their representatives abroad for help over the years but largely ignored until now Trump suddenly took interest for whatever reason hence the threats. Sen Lankford of Oklahoma is one of such senators that received this petition.

Secondly, you are hinging most of your argument on things getting worse but the question is getting worse for who? For the victims or for the rest of the country? If it is for the victims, what is worse than being slaughtered, loosing your family, ancestral lands and communities and living in an IDP camp in your own country?
I suspect you are worried that things escalate and these terrorists start attacking our peaceful communities. If that is the case, that is a selfish take. You are implying that the victims should continue to be the sacrificial lamb of the country so that your own "peaceful " communities or cities won't be at risk. How do you think this will sound in their ears?
By the way, how many times have the rest of the country who now expect the victims not to seek foreign intervention cos of the implications have held a serious protest from the east, west to south calling on government to halt these killings in the last 15 years? Every body is going about their normal businesses and just ranting online occasionally when they see headlines of the atrocities. Why haven't you led a protest in defense of these people? But you want to deprive them of any foreign intervention cos you fear that it might make things worse not for them but for you and other Nigerians who are enjoying peace. Why do you think they should care?

Another talking points is sovereignty. Sovereignty that can't protect her people from terrorists in their own country is that sovereignty?

Natural resources? Hmm, how has the natural resources helped the people to warrant using it as an argument. Are they not mining it illegally already? These arguments don't hold water.

Lastly,read Mcleo007 above, you will understand the point I'm making.

justwise:
What is worrying here is the fact that you knew that American military intervention will lead to disaster in Nigeria but in an attempt to sound sympathetic you are still suggesting that military intervention is the only solution for the killing going on.

I have listed a number of possible solutions here but as that is not what you want to hear you keep asking me to repeat it again and again.

Justwise, most of those solutions (Nigerian govt, Nigerian military) have had their chances to stop the killings. What did they do instead? Turn a blind eye, treat the victims with contempt/disregard and pamper the terrorists. The killings have been happening for decades, especially in the northern part. Many people have lost so much, so you can't begrudge them for wanting Trump's intervention, regardless of the potential dangers associated with it. I have tried to put myself in their shoes and realised I cannot blame them for that. They have been pushed to the walls, and the Nigerian government and its military have failed them. Hopefully, the recent outcry will help keep the federal and the affected state governments on their toes and start taking necessary actions, so much so that Trump's 'intervention' will not be needed or seen as necessary again.

They will go to another country for the solution to that one

justwise:
But most people who have been successfully granted asylum when fleeing conflicts are now only allowed to remain in the country on a temporary basis

Temporary basis means? 2 or 3 yrs? What happens if the individual get married to a British citizen? .

I am tempted not to say a word regarding this USA and Nigeria matter however if you have never experienced the loss of loved ones through this insurgent then you will never ever understand the pain and grievance the survivals are passing through. The Trauma is ever lasting!

They way these known perpetrators are pampered is the most unimaginable thought one could have.

Why must we wait for the US threat before things are correctly? Just a word form trump and every quarter are running helter skelter, simply implies they are taking us for granted.

Have you ever Imagined the Christian faith is also a violence as some other religion? Just imagine the revenge and bloodshed

The Christians faith have been insisting on peaceful resolution to every attack probably that is why this insurgent has lasted this far, if it was the other way round? Americas invasion would have been to separate two-fighting.

If these monster are eliminated here comes the much needed peace if not one would instead prefer a total separation if that's the only viable alternative. Northern Nigeria and Southern Nigeria will be a great move. This will restore peace but i know they elites or the kingmakers will not want it to happen.

One thing from me? If Americans invasion would put both the leaders and the followers in despair then than would be nice. Let it be so, afterall it would be nothing new to the followers as they have acclimatised themselves to such situation for ages but the leaders would learn the hard way, feel the severe pain too (ban them and their lived ones from moving abroad, ensures the ones already abroad are deported back/cancel their visias)...
As per the perpetrators, let them rot in hell
No amnesty, no repentant, no 2nd chance
Their sponsors can also will follow suit
Their supporters can join the wagon too if they wish to..

May the Almighty Creator grant the souls of the victims crying for help - eternal rest.

Please, what are the options for people who have tried but still can’t find sponsorship jobs?

Guys,
Let’s ease up on Justwise, it’s starting to feel like a pile on. We don’t all have to agree on every issue, but it’s clear he’s in the minority on this one. That’s one reason I like elections or voting, they put an end to endless debates. Some people usually course correct pretty quickly or simply persist and stand on their principles. Fine either way.

Good news is, it seems the govt has finally woken up and are doing all they can to avert Trump’s intervention. Let’s hope they sustain it and put a stop to it once and for all.

Jamesclooney:
Guys,
[bL]et’s ease up on Justwise, it’s starting to feel like a pile on[/b]. We don’t all have to agree on every issue, but it’s clear he’s in the minority on this one. That’s one reason I like elections or voting, they put an end to endless debates. Some people usually course correct pretty quickly or simply persist and stand on their principles. Fine either way.

Good news is, it seems the govt has finally woken up and are doing all they can to avert Trump’s intervention. Let’s hope they sustain it and put a stop to it once and for all.

Oh! please don't say that, my position on this hasn't changed and it i will never. I stopped replying those that qouted my post because i dont want to keep repeating myself

omoluka:
Please, what are the options for people who have tried but still can’t find sponsorship jobs?

Have you tried Nhs Scotland, that’s if you’re interested in health. They do offer sponsorship from band 3 upwards.

Teedol:
If anyone here believes USA or Donald Trump is coming to fight your battle for you in Nigeria and hand over governance to the existing thieves[leaders] at the end of the day, you are living in fools paradise, nobody is gonna fight your war for you.

Most of us do travel home for dirty december and what not, once US moves in, let me see how you are going to visit your lovely Nigeria, am even sure US intels will advice Trump against starting a war in Nigeria, if Nigerians ever gets displaced, I wonder how many countries would be able to accept an exodus of asylum seeking Nigerians.

So we should keep quite and pretend that all is well and terrorists will continue killing people because you want to still be coming back for dirty December.

Nigerians are impossible

Borrow2222:
So we should keep quite and pretend that all is well and terrorists will continue killing people because you want to still be coming back for dirty December.

Nigerians are impossible

Go and assist the USA in blowing up Nigeria as you do not understand simple logic.

Hello my brothers and sisters,

I trust you are fine. I am currently on a skilled worker visa from January 2023 to January 2026, my employer is ready to extend my sponsorship for another 2 years but the person in charge of the SMS just realised that he should have applied for undefined COS allocation from the home office before now because standard application can be up to 16 weeks. He has been sending expedite requests emails to the home office by 7:01 am since 10th of November but no confirmation of slots. I am worried because myself and my family have got only 8 weeks left of our visa. Kindly advise me on this issue please.

Which yeye Simple logic are you talking about? Nigerians are too selfish. Individualism is killing us

Teedol:
Go and assist the USA in blowing up Nigeria as you do not understand simple logic.

Which yeye Simple logic are you talking about? Nigerians are too selfish. Individualism is killing us

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stephoye:
Which yeye Simple logic are you talking about? Nigerians are too selfish. Individualism is killing us

What do you mean by this though 🤔?

RodgersAkpafu:
What do you mean by this though 🤔?

lol. I was replying @Teedol

Goodenoch:
No personal experience but these seem helpful:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukvisa/comments/1e704n5/just_had_my_study_visa_interview_today/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukvisa/comments/1f5tg33/15hour_ukvi_interviewdid_i_mess_up_seeking_advice/

Best of luck!

thank you sir