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MaxInDHouse:
You just feel like asking questions and answering your own self.
I'm inferior to my father because he is responsible for my birth something he could have stopped by telling his wife to abort the pregnancy which i had no say on the matter back then. So if today i'm now a man it doesn't change the fact that he is my superior any day any time!😟

MaxInDHouse:
You reason like a kid, abeg try to grow up a little nah!😟
Whenever someone is always claims he knows everything about right and wrong people around him will conclude he is making himself God over others. That's the reason why you people have several religions all claiming Christians as you don't want to believe only one could know it all. Pharisees in the first century disagreed with the idea of someone far too young to claim he knows everything about right and wrong then saying he knows God's mind.

That's what happened!🙂

Janosky:
Therefore Jesus is NOT equal to God his Senior, ANCESTOR, Elder (Father)

Janosky:
The God that bore Isreal born the mountains.

The Jews never made your false claim.
Oga,Continue WAILING ooo!

blueAgent:
That's good.
Thank God you did not deny been inferior to your father didn't stop you from been his literal SON?

blueAgent:
No reasonable you said here.

blueAgent:
Go back to your quote I quoted.

tctrills:
Solomon was also a Son of God , Is he also a begotten son?
The bible never called Adam a begotten son. Please take it easy with the guesswork.
Hope you know that there is a curse on anyone who adds to the word of God. The bible calls Adam a son not a begotten son.

MaxInDHouse:
Literal going by the English dictionary is physical but God has no physical son all of us are His creations that's what makes Jesus the first born! Colossians 1:15

MaxInDHouse:
But when you say someone who keeps begging another is the same person he's begging it makes perfect sense shey?

Janosky:
Tctrills,are you sure you even listening to yourself?
Adam and Solomon, which of them came to life first?

Adam is God's begotten son means that God fathered Adam by creation.

Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation.
The God that appointed Jesus as High Priest made Jesus his creature.

Psalms 2:7, God Fathered Solomon by Creation.

Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.
Every begotten is a creature.
Jesus the High Priest is a creature.
Every high priest is a creature.

Let this truth sink in to the max.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus can't be God since he is a servant of God so it's reasonable to conclude that he is God's Son as he himself said and since angels are God's sons too Jesus must have been one of them before coming to earth.

Simple. Anything other than this is what could be called going astray from truth!

Janosky:
[b]Oga, did God beget (born) Jesus his son?
Yes
Did God beget Isreal?
Not literally
Did God born the mountains?
Not literally
Oga, told us Jesus is the literal son of God.
Come and be lying that beget & born (as the Jews understand it) is not literal.

tctrills:
You quoted the wrong person

Janosky:

Oga,you want to deceive yourself.
Besides, no evidence that you know Greek more than Greek scholars,Briggs,Thayer & Strong's whose works are well known in that body of knowledge.

Most Trinitarians even acknowledge that "a god" is the correct translation of John 10:33.
Screenshot evidence.


Jesus said he is a god because he is the son of God,@ John 10:34-36.
@ John 5:18,The Jews said Jesus "called God his Father.(Senior)."
That can not make Jesus equal to God his Senior (Father).
This Jewish people know Psalms 82:6 rendition.
@ Psalms 82:6, the sons (called " gods" know that God is their Father.

blueAgent:
The same Jews that Understood Jesus, meant he was the literal Son of God, and wanted to stone him? :oJohn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Oga,your claim very faulty.

The Jews claim @ John 5:18 " Calling God his own Father (his own Senior) making himself equal to God."
pulled the rug out of the capital 'G' @ John 10:33.
His Jewish accusers claimed that God is Jesus own Father (Senior,Elder) , therefore, equality doesn't exist.

@ John 19:7 & Matthew 26:63-65, is incontrovertible evidence that John 10:33 is "a god" .
The Jews accused Jesus that he " is the son of God".


As a result, Jesus referenced Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove that he didn't break any law because the Jews believed in Psalms 82:6.

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blueAgent:
See how you confuse yourself.

Jesus never claimed equality to GOD.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


He only acknowledged the fact that he is the literal Son of GOD and hence has the same nature and divinity of GOD.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Oga, how does you being an express image of your Father mean that you are your Father, the claim you are making about John 14:7?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself about John 14:7.
@ Matt 11:27, Jesus said the disciples seen the Father because Jesus revealed God the Father to them by speaking the words, messages of John 14:24 the Father sent him to show them @ John 14:7.

Have you forgotten John 1:18 & John 5:37 that Jesus taught the disciples?
No man has seen God at anytime
None of them has seen God's form and none of them heard God's voice.

Janosky:
Tctrills,are you sure you even listening to yourself?
Adam and Solomon, which of them came to life first?

Adam is God's begotten son means that God fathered Adam by creation.

Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation.
The God that appointed Jesus as High Priest made Jesus his creature.

Psalms 2:7, God Fathered Solomon by Creation.

Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.
Every begotten is a creature.
Jesus the High Priest is a creature.
Every high priest is a creature.

Let this truth sink in to the max.

blueAgent:
Crap.

Where in the Bible is it written that God beget Adam.

The same GOD that said he has never begotten any Angel/ Man or called anyone else his son except Jesus?

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Abeg try to dey fear GOD small

Psalm 2:7, God begotten ( the Father of) David & Solomon (son of God).

God begotten (the Father of) Adam (son of God).
God begotten (the Father of) Jesus Christ. (Son of God).
God begotten (the Father of ) Adam (son of God).
God begotten Israel.
God begotten (the Father of) ALL.

Begotten meaning "the Father of/Father/ became Father".
The screenshot is self explanatory.
Every begoted/ begotten being is a creature.
God is our Father /the Father of Jesus by creation.
This is the truth that most persons feel uncomfortable about on this thread.

This is not rocket science nau.

blueAgent:
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Abeg try to dey fear GOD small

blueAgent:
As usual you are dodging the question.

You have boxed yourself into a corner.
You can see God is greater and smart than you false teachers.

I ask, how does God been greater than Jesus mean that,Jesus is not his literal Son, [/b]afterall we give birth to our sons, who are younger and less experienced than us.


John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So answer me.

tctrills:
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You are yet to make sense. Adam came first before Solomon but the bible says both are sons of God so what exactly is your point?
Who is a begotten son?
Is it your first born or are all your children begotten?
Please explain.
Ok Hebrew 5:5, who created Adam? So if there are 2 begotten, how do you claim Jesus is the only begotten. Are you confused?
Please don't be double minded. It's either Jesus Christ is the only begotten or both He and Adam are begotten. Please choose one.
Again are all spirits begotten of God?
Ephesians 4:6, You again say that God is the Father of ALL by creation. So again you imply that all creatures are begotten of God, are you confused.

In one paragraph you say,
Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation
And in another paragraph you say,
Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.

So according to you, all creatures are begotten children of God and Jesus Christ is the only begotten son at the same time?

Oga even if it is your pastor teaching you this nonsense, it's ok for you to tell him to go to hell.
This is the most unintelligent doctrine you guys have ever taught.

Every comment you made up there disagrees with your bible.
@ Hebrew 5:5 Jesus is begotten (Fathered) by God".
B

You saw "I have begotten you"/ I have Fathered you" @ Psalms 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5, but you are giving excuses & WAILING upandan.

@ John 3:16, Jesus is his Father's only Begotten.
You don't want to admit your Bible is correct that Jesus is "begotten" and also "only begotten".
Oga,you are claiming that John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is "nonsense" to you.
Tctrills,pls provide evidence you that you removed John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 from your Bible.

blueAgent:
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Please interpret the above verse.

blueAgent:
You keep talking illogical.
Me begging my Father for something means am not his literal Son?

blueAgent:
This JW interpretation and its is false just like all the other false predictions you guys made in the past.

Dangote's children can go errands/ messengers for him, it does not make them less his literal Children.

He can appoint them to head his companies, assign offices and responsibilities to them, it still does not change the fact that they are his literal Children.

Try another lie

Janosky:
"Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"
Compare Psalms 2:7 & Hebrew 1:5. Hebrew 5:5.

Janosky:
Psalm 2:7, God begotten ( the Father of) David & Solomon (son of God).

God begotten (the Father of) Adam (son of God).
God begotten (the Father of) Jesus Christ. (Son of God).
God begotten (the Father of ) Adam (son of God).
God begotten Israel.
God begotten (the Father of) ALL.

Begotten meaning "the Father of/Father/ became Father".
The screenshot is self explanatory.
Every begoted/ begotten being is a creature.
God is our Father /the Father of Jesus by creation.
This is the truth that most persons feel uncomfortable about on this thread.

This is not rocket science nau.

Janosky:
Every comment you made up there disagrees with your bible.
@ Hebrew 5:5 Jesus is begotten (Fathered) by God".
B

You saw "I have begotten you"/ I have Fathered you" @ Psalms 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5, but you are giving excuses & WAILING upandan.

@ John 3:16, Jesus is his Father's ONLY Begotten.
You don't want to admit your Bible is correct that Jesus is "begotten" and also "only begotten".
Oga,you are claiming that John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is "nonsense" to you.
Tctrills,pls provide evidence you that you removed John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 from your Bible.