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Ifexibe:
There's more than sufficient evidence for life after death, with enough evidence to back them up. I can quote academic sources I read back in 2023, if you like.

Go ahead, but of course, non of the evidences will have scientific backing.

you are only just trying to bring spirituality into the question, fear which is the soul foundation of your religion is what is making you use fear in this contest, people can be afrad or filled with fear when they are about to die just beacuse of religious teachings and believe of hell and heaven....its just fuuny

Dtruthspeaker:
If you are giving the option of traveling to Abuja by road from Benin, would you have chills and fear?

Yes!

Why?

Because of what is waiting for you there.

Unlike if they say you should travel by road from Houston to Georgia, you would not be afraid

Why?

Because the thing you fear in Lokoja is not there on the Houston expressway. It's as simple as that

GanagiBitrus:
Go ahead, but of course, non of the evidences will have scientific backing.

They all have scientific backing. I change my mind. Use Google.

Roycemadeit:
Let's have a look at a few

Please say it is my lack of understanding what is written and then give the right context
2 Samuel 24:1
“Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, ‘Go, take a census of Israel and Judah.’”
1 Chronicles 21:1
“Now Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”

These is as a result of errors on the part of translators.

Here is the correction:
The anger of Jehovah again blazed against Israel when one incited David against them, saying: “Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.” 2Samuel 24:1
So God was angry because David failed to distinguish between inspired expressions from Satan and that of God according to God's promise to Abraham no human will be able to count the children of Abraham! Genesis 13:16

The 1Chronicles shows the real person behind the inspired expression. 1John 4:1

Roycemadeit:
Amos 3:6
“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?”

Isaiah 45:7

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

Amos is telling the Israelites that when they are attacked by enemies it means God is fulfilling His words regarding what He seriously warned them against! Deuteronomy 28:45-48

The second quotation God is telling Isaiah that whatever weapon enemies want to use against His faithful worshipers He created it and has the power to make it work in a strange way.
Take for instance God created all the gasses that formed heat (fire) but when Nebuchadnezzar decided to use fire against God's faithful servants God redirected the gasses to form air-conditioner while the same fire killed Nebuchadnezzar's strong guards.
Again God created light and darkness but when He wants to prove His power to Egyptians the sky refused to bring it's daylight for three consecutive days.

That's the practical application of what you quoted Sir!😟

Roycemadeit:
^{I have once been asked this question and this was my reply...I suppose you are JW}

Many people turn to sacred texts,chief among them, the Bible, in search of clarity on life’s most enduring questions: Where do we come from? Why are we here? Why is there suffering? If we all seek peace, why is there war?

These texts are often treated as divine instruction manuals, handed down to light the way through human confusion. But when we pause, not out of fear or inherited belief, but from a place of curiosity and courage, we begin to notice something: the answers may not be as absolute as we've been told.

Let’s begin with origins. The Bible offers a creation story, but it is far from the only one. The Yoruba tell of Oranmiyan forming the earth with a five-legged fowl and a shell of sand. In Chinese cosmology, a cosmic egg splits open, birthing yin and yang from which all things emerge. Among the Fulani, divine milk pours from the heavens.

None of these accounts can be proven, but that’s not their point. These stories are cultural expressions of wonder in the face of the unknown. No human witnessed the beginning. So, we make meaning through myth. These tales, passed down through generations, are reflections of the questions people dared to ask, not blueprints of universal truth, but mirrors of cultural imagination.

Why then is the biblical story elevated as the truth?

Largely because it was carried by empires. In Africa, Christianity didn’t take root through some grand spiritual revelation; it came wrapped in colonial conquest. With the missionaries came the sword, and the Bible.

Even the language we now use to describe the divine reveals this history. In the original Hebrew, the name revealed to Moses was YHWH, so sacred it was rarely spoken aloud, often replaced with titles like Adonai (Lord) or HaShem (The Name). Today, we say “God”, a term not native to Hebrew, but from the old Germanic word, "Gudan," meaning “that which is invoked.”

This is not just a translation. It's a transformation. To rename the sacred is to reshape it. It’s a shift not only in language, but in power. Names carry identity, and to change a name is to assert control over how something is seen, spoken of, and understood. You could say even God’s name was colonised. And isn’t that the essence of colonisation, the power to rename, redefine, and rewrite, even the divine?

This isn't an attack on faith, but a call to examine the forces that shape it. Belief is never formed in a vacuum. It’s shaped by culture, politics, and power.

Now to the question of purpose: Why are we here?

Many assume the Bible holds this answer. But much of it is a record of ancient people grappling with their own questions, Abraham, Moses, David. These were not universal declarations addressed to all humanity. They were moments in a larger, evolving dialogue. To rely solely on a 2,000-year-old manuscript to define our personal destiny is to ignore the voices of billions who have sought, and found, meaning in other ways.

If purpose is truly divine, wouldn’t it speak to each of us directly, rather than solely through ancient intermediaries?

Consider also the problem of suffering. When innocent people suffer, the explanation is often “the devil.” But even that raises questions: if God created all things, did He not create, or at least allow, the devil? Isaiah 45:7 says, “I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.” That verse alone challenges the neat division between good and evil often presented in Sunday school.

The Eden story further complicates things. Two humans, innocent and unaware of good or evil, are placed in a garden with a forbidden tree. They’re told not to eat from it, but not given the moral understanding to truly grasp the command. When they do, they are punished, and all of humanity is said to have inherited their guilt, except Enoch and Elijah who are not of his seed.🙃 But then we’re also told humans were made perfect in God’s image. Which is it?


Even more troubling are the stories where God commands the killing of entire nations, including infants. What do such acts say about suffering, innocence, justice, or divine love?

And when we ask why humans war even though they seek peace, the answer often lies in identity. People fight to protect or impose their sense of who they are, tribes, nations, beliefs. Ironically, the Bible itself tells of a time when humanity spoke one language and worked together. But it was God who, fearing their unity, scattered them, confused their speech, and planted the seeds of division. From that division came borders, religions, and conflict.

So we must ask: does the Bible really offer peace, or the beginnings of fragmentation? Does it answer our questions, or deepen our confusion?

There is great power in questioning. Sacredness is not diminished by scrutiny; it is revealed through it. Faith born from fear may feel comforting, but it is not freedom. True understanding begins when we stop clinging to inherited answers and start daring to ask better questions.

Because if this text cannot withstand my honest doubt... would I be right to say that it is divine in the first place?

Since the bible does not provide the answers, my questions still stands.

So are you saying that all the perspectives of afterlife from every region of the world is false?

I would like to ask you...
How did life and the universe begin?
What is the purpose of humans on earth and how did we get here?
Why is there so much suffering in the world and what is the solution to all suffering?
What do you think is the standard for good and evil if you believe they exist?

Die first and come back n tell us

SeriouslySense:
Philippians 1: 23, 2 Corinthians 5: 8, Luke 23: 43


Philippians 1:23
23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;


2 Corinthians 5:8
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.


Luke 23:43
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Note for Luke23: 43. that was before Jesus death, because he went to paradise to meet the godly who died before his death, now after his resurrection, he stays in heaven sited at the right hand of the Father, so our souls will go directly to heaven instead of paradise.

Where do the above verses mention "souls" as going to heaven?

Sirchiboy:
When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.

John 3 v 16 explains it all, depends on the death you're talking about, but the death of the body is not the real death, the death of the soul is the real death. Christians dont die, they leave forever, if you take that opportunity to have Jesus, he gives you life, and you never die. Those without christ, who goes to hell are the ones that die. Because hell is death.

slipperyanus07:
Humans never dies we only leave the outer carcass (body) ur consciousness is the real you it never dies it will always exist but in another dimension (spirit world)

I said it we don't die we just transform to another form and leave our memories behind.

Ifexibe:
They all have scientific backing. I change my mind. Use Google.

Scientific Backing & yet you are unable to mention one Science Textbook or Journal it was documented.
Dey play.

Lyricalz01:
John 3 v 16 explains it all, depends on the death you're talking about, but the death of the body is not the real death, the death of the soul is the real death. Christians dont die, they leave forever, if you take that opportunity to have Jesus, he gives you life, and you never die. Those without christ, who goes to hell are the ones that die. Because hell is death.

So death and hell is the same thing?

ericmor:
Even at that, people won’t still believe you died and resurrected and if you try and tell them your experience after death, they will say you are just making it up

If you have a Death Certificate from a medical doctor & perhaps spent a week in the mortuary before coming back to life, that's enough evidence that can not be disputed.

Please if you are a Christian, read the passages for yourself , I am not responsible for spoon feeding anyone.

You asked a question, i gave my answers, you asked another question, so you have already made your conclusion, which is understandable, so just leave there.

Truthseeker10:
Where do the above verses mention "souls" as going to heaven?

You are just a resource which your spirit is using to harvest food for sustenance in heaven. Your spirit is always in heaven

SeriouslySense:
Please if you are a Christian, read the passages for yourself , I am not responsible for spoon feeding anyone.

You asked a question, i gave my answers, you asked another question, so you have already made your conclusion, which is understandable, so just leave there.

So to show me where those verses mentions "soul" has become a problem for you?

How come you claim that I have my own conclusion when you've not shown me where the bible identifies an entity called "soul" that goes to heaven when someone dies? Or is the word "soul" a figment of your own imagination?

SkengRay:
We are all in a loop, it's never Ends

source of this information?

adams123:
In Islam, when a person dies, their soul goes through several stages. Here is a clear and simple explanation:

1. The Soul Leaves the Body

At death, the soul is taken by the Angel of Death (Malakul Maut). For a righteous believer, it is gentle; for an evil person, it is difficult.

2. The Grave – Barzakh (The Life Between Death and Resurrection)

Islam teaches that after death, every soul enters Barzakh, a waiting period before the Day of Judgment.

In Barzakh:

The believer’s grave becomes spacious, peaceful, and full of light.

The disbeliever’s or sinful person’s grave becomes tight and distressing.

The soul experiences either comfort or punishment depending on their deeds.

3. Questioning in the Grave

Two angels, Munkar and Nakir, ask the person:

Who is your Lord?

What is your religion?

Who is your Prophet?

Believers will answer easily.
Those who rejected the truth will struggle to answer.
4. Day of Resurrection (Qiyamah)

All souls will be resurrected and brought for judgment.

5. Final Destination

After judgment, the soul goes either to:

• Jannah (Paradise):

For those who believed in Allah and did righteous deeds.

• Jahannam (Hell):

For those who rejected Allah or lived in major sins without repentance.

So you Mean that Islam teaches that the soul goes to the physical grave where people are buried?

Ifexibe:
There are several planes of existence.

There's the astral realm. The lower and mid astral Realms and other planes of existence.

Most people after death, move on to the mid astral Realms. A place just like heaven.

Those who led a dark life, dictators, rapists, murderers, move on to the lower astral realms. A place just like hell.

It's much more complicated than I make it seem, but you can read the book: "Our ultimate reality, life and the destiny of mankind, to understand further and better.

Thanks.

What exactly is that thing that moves from one realm to another?

MaxInDHouse:
If we have to believe everything people have been observing surely there will be no place for God's word that's what Satan is doing underG! 2Corinthians 4:4🙂

In that case you'd also not believe God's word because it is PEOPLE that wrote down God's word - people with their own agendas and biases.
If there are countless cases of babies remembering in detail lives they and there parents were never exposed to, better believe there is something there

johnstin:
Heaven or hellfire, depending on whether they accepted Jesus Christ and followed him to the end of their lives.

What exactly is the thing that goes to heaven or hell?

merits:
I said it we don't die we just transform to another form and leave our memories behind.

How come all these small children who remember past lives don't leave memories behind?

josielewa:
there is no one born gay, your society influences what you become....

So how come it only influences same small percentage and not everybody?

josielewa:
I also do remember what i called past live, always questioing my dad if he ever worked at thr tin can port or on ships, and he would laugh at me saying no.., the truth is there are no solid eveidence of people truly remebering their past lives, it could be a case o children fantasy or what scientist call paramnesia. everybody will tell you they remember a thing or two about their past lives, but can they prove it.., NO.

We are talking SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED AND PEER REVIEWD. See below

DiarisGodoo:
We are talking SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED AND PEER REVIEWD. See below

What exactly made these children to claim to remember their past lives?

DiarisGodoo:
In that case you'd also not believe God's word because it is PEOPLE that wrote down God's word - people with their own agendas and biases.

This is all i need to hear from you but as for God's word it's not given to humans with different agendas and biases those used in writing the Bible have the same line of thought regarding God's Kingdom that's how He (God) select and inspired them:

For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit. 2Peter 1:21

So it's not their ideas they pen down but truth from God Himself! 2Timothy 3:16

I don't think fear of death is a criteria to proof sth exists after, just because one fears "death".

Some people don't even fear death per se.

I believe we have all experience a form of death when we sleep and blank out unconsciously.
It's not sth to be fearful cuz we don't even feel it.


1) The First Fear of Death some say they have conquered is actually:
Fear of unfinished plans, enjoyments and what becomes of dependants left behind in the living. This is what people who say they have conquered fear have actually conquered.

2) The 2nd Fear when it seems death is knocking is actually PAIN FEAR OF PAIN not fear of death itself. But physical and psychological pain(suffering).
Because most death comes with some form of pain and suffering.
Flight from pain is the human body's natural defence mechanism.

Even Jesus had to cry unto God to please take away his coming pain and suffering in the garden of Gethsemene. Though ultimately submitting to God's will.

I don't think anyone can easily overcome this 2nd fear.
It takes a huge believe and faith to own up to whatever outcome and remain unshaken and unbroken.


Fear of death is not a proof of afterlive.

Sirchiboy:
When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.

Luke 20:27-40)
Jesus provided answer with context when asked by the Sadducee’s who do not believe in life after death by the way!

MaxInDHouse:
This is all i need to hear from you but as for God's word it's not given to humans with different agendas and biases those used in writing the Bible have the same line of thought regarding God's Kingdom that's how He (God) select and inspired them:

For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit. 2Peter 1:21

So it's not their ideas they pen down but truth from God Himself! 2Timothy 3:16

The verse you quoted as proof that it was not written down by man was also written down by man!

1 Corinthians 13:12 makes clear that our current understanding of God and spiritual matters is incomplete and imperfect, like a dim, unclear reflection in an ancient mirror!

I know that physical death is not the final chapter of our existence. There is consciousness, there is life, beyond the moment we leave these bodies behind on Earth. Some will ask, “How can you be so sure? Who has died and returned to tell us?” The truth isn’t handed over through second-hand stories or demanded as proof in a courtroom. Those who genuinely seek—truly, earnestly seek with an open heart and quiet mind—will come to know it for themselves. It will become like awakening a third eye, not a physical organ, understanding that the creation of GOD is vast and that the one we sense with our physical organs is only but a pinpoint.

DiarisGodoo:
So how come it only influences same small percentage and not everybody?

The other guy has answered you, it's mainly environmental influence.
Let me add:

If Messi or Ronaldo was born pre-soccer era in Argentina or Portugal.
They will never have been passionate about football.

If the wright brothers haven't invented the first Plane ✈,
Nobody will be shouting passion to be a Pilot, passion to be an aeronautic Engineer, etc.
As a rhetorical question to your question,why don't these professions influence everybody?
Or without Soccer existence and media influence today, Messi would end up in a different field of life.

you probabyly did not finish reading that article to the end...read this, i went online to see if your screenshot is facts, but alas,

DiarisGodoo:
We are talking SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED AND PEER REVIEWD. See below