₦airaland Forum

ppeoye:
This is not just about the health care sector. Anyone in a role below RQF level 6 faces a 15 year wait. Some roles will be exempted but what about others

RodgersAkpafu:
ILR will definitely be gotten
But e go hard gan

Goke7:
Some of us said this countless times here that folks should look elsewhere but we were told that the Uk is still the best. Honestly I celebrate folks who have since used the Uk as the stepping stone to other places. They are the original MVPs and the wisest.

HustlaOfLagos:


I remember when Justwise used to blame all and sundry for speaking about healthcare visas and saying Nigerians can switch to whatever career they want after 5 years even though the signs were there that the gov would soon start to target that sector.

I wonder if he still shares the same sentiment

justwise:
Yes I still share the same sentiment.

What is happening now is not unexpected considering the level of abuse carried out by mainly Nigerians and Indians, I only feel sorry for genuine visa holders who played by the book but unfortunately the sins of others are rubbed on innocent ones.

The policy is very very harsh beyond what I anticipated but no country will tolerate this level of visa abuse, though UKIV helped in someways encouraged the abuse.

HustlaOfLagos:
No lies detected

I honestly wonder though ... If all the folks in care are poached by Canada / Australia, what will happen to the UK then?

I predict this will be the trend over the next few years once word of this gets out and is commonplace. The same way Australia is brazenly poaching UK nurses, they will likely poach HCA with promise of better weather, pay, work conditions and residency

justwise:
Yes I still share the same sentiment.

What is happening now is not unexpected considering the level of abuse carried out by mainly Nigerians and Indians, I only feel sorry for genuine visa holders who played by the book but unfortunately the sins of others are rubbed on innocent ones.

The policy is very very harsh beyond what I anticipated but no country will tolerate this level of visa abuse, though UKIV helped in someways encouraged the abuse.

Raalsalghul:
You make it seem as if this all boils down to the abuse when they're other factors like demographic change (too many black and brown faces) and limiting access to benefits.

My point? Even without the abuse, these laws would have come into effect one or the other.

Raalsalghul:
Look for another set of people to blame. It's their modus operandi.

justwise:
Yes I still share the same sentiment.

What is happening now is not unexpected considering the level of abuse carried out by mainly Nigerians and Indians, I only feel sorry for genuine visa holders who played by the book but unfortunately the sins of others are rubbed on innocent ones.

The policy is very very harsh beyond what I anticipated but no country will tolerate this level of visa abuse, though UKIV helped in someways encouraged the abuse.

WanderingChild:
On the comical side (no harm intended), the birthing in the US thread on Nairaland literally died when trump with one stroke of the pen ended birth tourism for non-US citizens and PRs. It seems we may see the same for the thread on UK property. If people now have no assurance on their future status, it makes investing in property, pension, SIPP almost toxic for immigrants. Will you be paying pension for a future you may not be entitled to? Imagine people who have paid pension for 5 years and now have to emigrate elsewhere? What happens to the money sunk into the UK pension system? Imagine those who have bought property thinking they were on a path to settlement and now have to emigrate elsewhere. What happens to their property (someone says sell it)? Immigrants MUST be mindful of not allowing themselves become tools to enrich the Prince’s Trust and UK PLC. Deploy that resource in securing alternative options for yourself. Until you have that settlement, be very careful in making certain kinds of investments.

Raalsalghul:
[qoute]You make it seem as if this all boils down to the abuse [/quote ] when they're other factors like demographic change (too many black and brown faces) and limiting access to benefits.

My point? Even without the abuse, these laws would have come into effect one or the other.

HustlaOfLagos:
If you did not anticipate all these despite all the statistics they have been publishing for at least 2 years, then you should rescind the advice you gave at the time.

Advising MSc holders to be on minimum wage jobs for 5 years is not it and definitely not what the UK wants / expected to happen when the student visa stuff was open around 2021. This formed the basis of what was said by The Migration Advisory Committee and is part of the reason why we are seeing these crazy rules

You will not find a British MSc holder doing care jobs.

Mcleo007:
They created a system with exploitable flaws, and because people are inherently opportunistic, they seized the chance. Since all healthcare professionals entered the country lawfully using government-issued visas, who is at fault when the system is overloaded? Not the migrants, of course.

HustlaOfLagos:
If you did not anticipate all these despite all the statistics they have been publishing for at least 2 years, then you should rescind the advice you gave at the time.

Advising MSc holders to be on minimum wage jobs for 5 years is not it and definitely not what the UK wants / expected to happen when the student visa stuff was open around 2021. This formed the basis of what was said by The Migration Advisory Committee and is part of the reason why we are seeing these crazy rules

You will not find a British MSc holder doing care jobs.

Goodenoch:
1. What alternative options?
Alternative migration/survival options.

Goodenoch:
2. Don't mislead people. Your SIPP and your entitlement to stay in the UK are two separate things. You can draw from your SIPP when you reach the appropriate age even if you leave the UK either directly or by transferring it into a foreign scheme,depending on the country.
Mislead? SIPP is pension that you privately manage. You invest in SIPP and move to a country that is not part of QROPS and you have no status in the UK, how then do you access that SIPP when you get to retirement age? Not all providers even allow transfers to a QROPS. You are not even sure what the retirement age is since it changes everytime. How them am I misleading people? Yes, if you go to countries recognised under QROPS you can transfer your SIPP. What happens if that country is say Nigeria?

Goodenoch:
I am very particular about this pension matter because Ive seen many people stop contributions because of misleading half-baked information they've got from social media. There are very few investments people can make that will be as beneficial as paying into their pensions,especially if they're higher rate payers. Feel free to tell us what you recommend if you disagree.
They are being careful to not invest in a tomorrow based somewhere that they may never access. I am saying you do not want to go through hassles tomorrow to resolve financial issues that will overwhelm you simply because of access.

Goodenoch:
Also, property - why would people not buy property because they have a longer route to settlement? If they don't buy they continue paying rent but if they buy and then leave the country it's as simple as selling it and taking the cash wherever they're going. Except for edge cases the vast majority of people would make a profit doing that.
I have no grouse with anyone owning property - that's something to cherish. Just make sure you don’t get burnt especially when you are not settled. We all know that selling is not a straightforward process when the time comes. When the need arises for quick decisions and fast movement in today’s world, owning a property may become burdensome especially when disposing in a saturated or slow market is difficult.

The overall advice is simple - shine your eyes.

justwise:
That was not what i said, read my post again

justwise:
This is just nonsense, so those who came direct from Nigeria with COS got no masters or degree? Is not what the UK wanted as well?

hammed71:
People should just avoid the UK, there are better countries out there

HustlaOfLagos:
The majority of those who switched to that visa switched from student visas. > 49% of skilled workers were issued to those who switched from MSc to care roles

Did you read the stats or you just want to argue?

HustlaOfLagos:
I still stand by what I said

You did not expect or anticipate this to be the case or you would not have argued about it that time. I remember you saying that people can switch after 5 years to whatever role they want and this was pointed out as being laughable given the years lost while doing HC roles

You also gave examples of people making it in HC roles and a particular example of someone driving a Range Rover or something, comfortably ignoring COS scammers like MC Olumo and his ilk.

Now that there is new information suggesting your advice was bad, you do not also want to backtrack and admit it was bad advice in retrospect

HustlaOfLagos:
If you did not anticipate all these despite all the statistics they have been publishing for at least 2 years, then you should rescind the advice you gave at the time.

Advising MSc holders to be on minimum wage jobs for 5 years is not it and definitely not what the UK wants / expected to happen when the student visa stuff was open around 2021. This formed the basis of what was said by The Migration Advisory Committee and is part of the reason why we are seeing these crazy rules

You will not find a British MSc holder doing care jobs.

justwise:
Yes I still share the same sentiment.

What is happening now is not unexpected considering the level of abuse carried out by mainly Nigerians and Indians, I only feel sorry for genuine visa holders who played by the book but unfortunately the sins of others are rubbed on innocent ones.

The policy is very very harsh beyond what I anticipated but no country will tolerate this level of visa abuse, though UKIV helped in someways encouraged the abuse.

HustlaOfLagos:
I can bet my left balls that if it was US citizens, they would not dare make the rules this restrictive

HustlaOfLagos:
No lies detected

I honestly wonder though ... If all the folks in care are poached by Canada / Australia, what will happen to the UK then?

I predict this will be the trend over the next few years once word of this gets out and is commonplace. The same way Australia is brazenly poaching UK nurses, they will likely poach HCA with promise of better weather, pay, work conditions and residency

Mcleo007:
They created a system with exploitable flaws, and because people are inherently opportunistic, they seized the chance. Since all healthcare professionals entered the country lawfully using government-issued visas, who is at fault when the system is overloaded? Not the migrants, of course.

Fred2020:
It's a done deal already, maybe small changes to appease the left of the party.

Interestingly, there is still about 3 years before the next GE, so there are likely still more punitive changes to come targeting migrants.

Migration and migrant-blaming are an election winner in Reform's election book, and Reform will milk it for everything they can get in the polls. Expect Reform to throw some more jabs soon and expect Labour to follow suit.

Viruses:
If access to public fund/benefit is the problem, can the govt. just enact a policy to say no recourse to public funds for people that'll get ILR/citizenship by naturalization from 2025.

The freedom and liberty that comes with ILR/citizenship far outweigh the public funds.

And to be honest, this seems to be their subtle goal because they left higher rate tax payers in 5yrs knowing they will not qualify for most of the public funds.