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HustlaOfLagos:


I remember when Justwise used to blame all and sundry for speaking about healthcare visas and saying Nigerians can switch to whatever career they want after 5 years even though the signs were there that the gov would soon start to target that sector.

I wonder if he still shares the same sentiment

Viruses:
I was among those that said this and no regrets.

Those in that route did not get there by choice, they did because it was the available option (sentiments aside, show me one person that his/her ambition in life was to leave Nigeria to do care work in UK). Saying they should bear for 5yrs and switch career after is to keep hope alive and save some from depression.

Do you really think there's someone that had a chance to switch visas but stayed because one person said 5yrs is not far?

Zahra29:
Even if Canada and Australia wanted or managed to "poach" over 600k HCA (including dependants), the UK could simply open up a new care visa route - this time they could make it very strict from the outset e.g. no dependants, 20 years to ILR or no route to ILR, and it's almost guaranteed that the route would be oversubscribed in less than 1 week and from the very same countries that rushed it the first time around.

WanderingChild:
https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1991924018656788506?s=20

This Twitter thread is really eye opening. If we ever get a Reform or right leaning government, immigration policies will be worse.

WanderingChild:
You said what? Hold my beer. They are worse. The US now has a policy in place where they can deny you visa (immigrant and non-immigrant) for being obese or having certain diseases like diabetes and hypertension amongst others.

WanderingChild:
I am happy to see this argument. I remembered when we were here celebrating the MAC report because it said we made more contribution to the economy than Brits – we need to do better as a people in understanding how these British folks operate. Now we are seeing the true agenda of that MAC report. It was to set the tone for successive punitive policies.

If we had majority of our grads going on to set up businesses, create products, create jobs, or get high level paying roles, the discussion today would have been different. Imagine that we even had more of our grad leaving the UK to become highfliers elsewhere, the UK would have created a similar youth visa scheme like India for our grads.

justwise:
The system allows that, so that is what the Britsh wants

HustlaOfLagos:
The issue is -

1. A lot of folks did not even TRY despite MSc in courses like Data / Business Analysis, Cybersecurity, Cloud Computing, AI etc.

They switched immediately to HC and some even bought COS citing "the end justifies the means" and "all of us go gather get ILR after 5 years".

2. This trend reflected in the MAC analysis and the decision was made as a result and I do not believe your position of this being the available option. It's a "lazy" assertion that seeks to side bad decisions taken by loads of people.

One of my bones of contention at the time was that the HC was easy to get and makes people relax. Lots of those people would not go on to other roles after that 5 yrs as most are already old and would just rather not bother after that long HC stay

This has always been my position and I clearly clamoured that WE can do better than choosing the easy way out (We are kuku known for this)

babajeje123:
That Rupert is a crazy guy. He hates any immigration with all his fabrics.

HustlaOfLagos:
I wonder where you got the 600K stats from o . I am referring to only the guys/students who came between 2020/2021 - 2025 who will be affected by this new policy

I honestly doubt that if there are more viable options, the route will be oversubscribed unless for folks who just want to come in, work for 3 yrs and move back to their countries or take out loans from the system and japa

babajeje123:
I agree with you, based on personal experience. A family friend was mad with me that I applied for PSW after studies and didn't even give HC visa a thought. Then, he had switched from student to HC visa in the usual way, if you know what I mean. Many didn't even complete their studies before they switched. Now, the matter don wear 'kon kon shu', and it's going to be a long ride except a miracle happens, in the order of Covid 19.

Zahra29:
Well the reality is that there are few or no viable options from comparable English speaking, western countries, and you know that many will take grab it to at least japa first, and then perhaps use it as a launch pad for Japa 2.0.

Lol, I didn't make it up - 600k is the government's estimate for the number that came in on the HC visa between 2022 and 2024. See below, page 3 of the Command Paper:

"This extraordinary open border experiment was the legacy of the last Conservative
government. The bar to entry was lowered significantly. This was most evident in the
Health and Care visa. An attempt to fill between 6,000 and 40,000 jobs saw the arrival of
616,000 individuals from 2022 to 2024. Over half were not even arriving to work in that
sector but were instead dependants of those who were. Fraud, as any constituency
Member of Parliament can tell you, was rife."

Raalsalghul:
Let me just state this here for the sake of posterity. Anybody on this group that thinks they should just accept the new terms (whether 10/15 years) and continue living your life, be ready to accept that you are not going to get that ILR. The goal post will continue to shift until it is out of your reach and impossible for you to attain.

The above is for those that think they can wing through it and continue living life.

So, all those money saved for mortgage deposit start redirecting it towards other endeavours and stop investing on British soil. Your visa fees and taxes are enough

HustlaOfLagos:
Yeah, this figure includes dependents

I still maintain that the UK should be used by most as a stepping stone, not the final destination.

They have shown their hands time and again and will likely continue to do so.

After 10-15 years, who says they cant shift the goal post again?

HustlaOfLagos:
Honestly, in a lot of ways, you cant blame these guys.

Sometimes, you look at videos from Birmingham with certain demographics trying to impose Sharia law etc. Makes 0 sense but sensible immigration is still needed by all countries to poach ready made talent

babajeje123:
Absolutely! Sensible and quality immigration is needed. That said, it’s unfair on the part of the government to rescind on their promises they made when they threw opened their borders. It's highly insensitive and inhumane to apply the proposed laws retrospectively.

Zahra29:
The government's position is that no promises were/are made while on a temporary visa and that the people they have made explicit promises to are those who have been given ILR. Page 4 of the Command Paper:

"We will not, and would never, take away settled status from those who have already been granted it. These are people who have been in our country for years, even decades. They
have families here. They have contributed to our society. Fairness is the most fundamental
of British values. We made these people a promise when we gave them settlement. We
welcomed them here permanently at that point, and we do not break our promises."

Zahra29:
The government's position is that no promises were/are made while on a temporary visa and that the people they have made explicit promises to are those who have been given ILR. Page 4 of the Command Paper:

"We will not, and would never, take away settled status from those who have already been granted it. These are people who have been in our country for years, even decades. They
have families here. They have contributed to our society. Fairness is the most fundamental
of British values. We made these people a promise when we gave them settlement. We
welcomed them here permanently at that point, and we do not break our promises."

babajeje123:
The HS quote you highlighted is recent. We pray Nigel Farage doesn't win the next GE else he will rub your quote off with his bumbum.

babajeje123:
Zahra, you have always been anti-immigrant and that's very okay. However, you shouldn't deny that it's a common knowledge that after spending 5 years on a skilled worker visa, the holder of such has permission to apply for ILR. https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-tier-2-t2-skilled-worker-visa

babajeje123:
The HS quote you highlighted is recent. We pray Nigel Farage doesn't win the next GE else he will rub your quote off with his bumbum.

Raalsalghul:
People be thinking they're untouchable.

HustlaOfLagos:
No lies detected

I honestly wonder though ... If all the folks in care are poached by Canada / Australia, what will happen to the UK then?

I predict this will be the trend over the next few years once word of this gets out and is commonplace. The same way Australia is brazenly poaching UK nurses, they will likely poach HCA with promise of better weather, pay, work conditions and residency

babranancy:
My mum is 69 years and holds a uk visit visa. she came to the UK to visit me and fell ill so she was seen by the GP and the GP prescribed a medication for her. She went to the pharmacy to collect the medication but the pharmacist refused to accept her medication payment because she’s 69 years old so she’s automatically exempted from payment for her medication. I informed them that she’s on a visit visa but they refused saying that I should ask around and if I still want to pay, I can come later and pay.

Please what should I do?
Is she truly exempted from payment because she’s above 60 years?
I don’t want it to be that she’s using public fund and I don’t want anything that will affect her visa application in the future.
Please I need your suggestions. Thank you so much.

Goke7:
Some of us said this countless times here that folks should look elsewhere but we were told that the Uk is still the best. Honestly I celebrate folks who have since used the Uk as the stepping stone to other places. They are the original MVPs and the wisest.

Hardworking and legal immigrants are being mocked 😜 imagine those on care visas facing the possibility of 15 yrs not even the 10 years that was originally tendered meanwhile the smarter ones have used their care experience to obtain PR in Canada and will be Canadian citizens in just 3 years while their counterparts in uk are filling online surveys that may never make any difference. Anyway each man to his own!

Zahra29:
The government's position is that no promises were/are made while on a temporary visa and that the people they have made explicit promises to are those who have been given ILR. Page 4 of the Command Paper:

"We will not, and would never, take away settled status from those who have already been granted it. These are people who have been in our country for years, even decades. They
have families here. They have contributed to our society. Fairness is the most fundamental
of British values. We made these people a promise when we gave them settlement. We
welcomed them here permanently at that point, and we do not break our promises."

Zahra29:
Even if Canada and Australia wanted or managed to "poach" over 600k HCA (including dependants), the UK could simply open up a new care visa route - this time they could make it very strict from the outset e.g. no dependants, 20 years to ILR or no route to ILR, and it's almost guaranteed that the route would be oversubscribed in less than 1 week and from the very same countries that rushed it the first time around.

Fred2020:
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You overestimate the UK's appeal. Immigration already fell by more than 50% with the little changes.

The problem with the current situation is that many have already invested a lot financially and socially and are in a delimma moving and potentially having time and money spent as wasted or staying and taking the hit.

Even the current rule if implemented as is, will lead to a sizeable remigration of the current in coming years for sure.

The UK isnt Dubia and the health care jobs are not as fanciful and well renumerated as people seem to think. Most people settled for it for the ILR, that is an open secret. There are not many who genuinely did a £30k Masters so they can work long hours on minimum wage in care. Some even paid a further £10s to land shoddy COS with no shifts. It's not the pay or the job that attracted them.

You strip the ILR or make it very distant, except the conditions of the job is significantly improved (which the councils cannot currently afford), they will stuggle to fill the roles with immigrants once the current pipeline dries up.

babajeje123:
Absolutely! Sensible and quality immigration is needed. That said, it’s unfair on the part of the government to rescind on their promises they made when they threw opened their borders. It's highly insensitive and inhumane to apply the proposed laws retrospectively.

jedisco:
Hehe... folks said 'migrants like seeking utopia' with constant reminders stating 'it's not better elsewhere'. Like I said before, if a Suelette is telling you it's not better elsewhere, you should probably be looking elsewhere. Just like an abuser telling his victims not to leave cos other men are no better.


Oddly, just like with most things. Many caught the wave. I have come across a few japa 2.0 crew members of late. On the Canada express entry thread, someone recently shared her move. Even in Cana, last few weeks, I met someone who came into the UK as a carer and in a year+ activated his 2.0.