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budaatum:
The below is from your initial post on this thread. It is a judgement, and based on you not even knowing at the time that budaatum is not sonmyavina (your apology for the mixup is accepted by the way), and you even mentioned your support for Maxindhouse who's only contribution to the thread was also a judgement.



What's a pity is you now claim not to have had the time to check the available evidence, which makes me think of you as one of those people who hear others shout "thief", so you "draw an inference" and join in putting a tyre around the person's neck and pouring petrol and setting the accused alight without a trial and because you did not have the time to check if the person you were burning was really a thief!

Your action here could have resulted in a tragedy, but thankfully no one got burnt, and I hope you learn from your action, because if you are one who draws inferences, instead of spending time researching as you have not done here, in FX that you claim to be a master in, I can see you on the losing side of profitable trades very often.

@FxMasterz, do not be gaslit by this dramatic analogy. This is a distraction from the facts I just laid out

Budaatum is trying to make you feel guilty for considering the evidence, comparing it to a mob action. That is absurd. I have presented specific, documented evidence of promotion and defense,not mere inference

Ignore his noise and look at the evidence I just provided, the recruitment post and the passionate defenses and judge for yourself. The facts are clear and speak for themselves

LordReed:
I was responding to FxMasterz and apparently, he sees the point. If you think your accusation has not been properly addressed, then that's between you and budaatum.

I understand you. But your reply misrepresented the issue for him,making him think it has to do with just sharing educative materials.

budaatum:
Are you suggesting FxMasterz and others who cleared buda of your nefarious allegations are fools who can not reason with their own minds?

You, sir, doth protest too much, and are like one who calls thief on an innocent person so the mob can help you burn them, only to find the supposed mob is far too intelligent to do your evil will.

No one is being called a fool for their opinion. The problem is that a "judgment" was passed based on a complete misrepresentation of the facts.

The core of my accusation was never about whether an atheist can "share educative materials." The accusation, backed by evidence, is that you:

Promoted and advertised Amorc for membership and providing recruitment links.

You passionately defended AMORC's specific doctrines from criticism, acting as a guardian of their beliefs.
These are the actions of an advocate or a member, not a neutral atheist. The "clearing" you received was based on the fabricated premise that this was only about "sharing information". It was not. it was about recruitment and defense

You are the one protesting, and you "doth protest too much" because you have been caught. Instead of addressing the specific evidence of your promotional activities, you hide behind irrelevant analogies about mobs and thieves, hoping to gaslight everyone into forgetting what this is actually about

The "supposed mob" is being misled by you. I am simply reminding them of the actual charges and the actual evidence you have repeatedly failed to address. So, please stop running from the facts

triplechoice:
The "supposed mob" is being misled by you.

Trust me when I say that I am very delighted and exceedingly pleased that those you invited to come and help you put a tyre around buda's neck and pour petrol on and burn are being "misled" by buda not to burn the buda that you want to burn.

It increases my trust and faith in the human race.

LordReed:
It is not hypocrisy exactly because we don't see it as something to believe. It is like teaching someone about Aesop's Fables, they are stories meant to convey some sort of morality or practical advice. Aesop doesn't need you to believe that the sun can talk because it says so in a story, no. Learn the lesson the story is trying to convey. That is how we view your religious text.

sometimes too it might be a merely academic reference, like telling you what book and chapter the story of Bathseba and David is in. It doesn't mean we believe the Bible.

Then you do that and provide recruitment links, and vehemently defend the position you don't believe in?

This is the point Triplechoice is trying to establish. Budaatum didn't just share for the purpose of education. He aimed at recruitments and even vehemently defended his materials against those who had opposing views.

budaatum:
Trust me when I say that I am very delighted and exceedingly pleased that those you invited to come and help you put a tyre around buda's neck and pour petrol on and burn are being "misled" by buda not to burn the buda that you want to burn.

It increases my trust and faith in the human race.

Ahn ahn, Aunty Buda, a whole 10 page thread for lil 'ol you?? Since when did you become such a celeb?? 😱

And since when did you transition to a full blown atheist?? Aunty I am shocked!! 😨😨

FxMasterz:
Then you do that and provide recruitment links, and vehemently defend the position you don't believe in?

This is the point Triplechoice is trying to establish. Budaatum didn't just share for the purpose of education. He aimed at recruitments and even vehemently beater against those who had opposing views.

Oh Mein Gott!!

*gasp* 😳

BUDAATUM?! OH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 😫😫😫

FxMasterz:
Then you do that and provide recruitment links, and vehemently defend the position you don't believe in?

Next you'd be claiming you don't have time to investigate the evidence while passing judgement, but if I ask you to post your so called "vehemently" now you'd likely claim not to have time!

But seriously, if I were recruiting people, is links all I'd post?

Wouldn't I contact potential recruitees to further sell it to them?

Why would I not fear that one of those I failed to recruit might post my recruiting conversation with them here?

Or is it that I'm so powerful that I wiped the communication off your device?

And how would I reap a reward if the link is a general one to the site, and not one I get paid for?

Or do you think I'd be recruiting with no financial reward for myself?

Or is that I'm so successful at recruiting you and your loyalty to me and what I've recruited you to makes you dare not say, FxMasterz?

Alright, and on that last one. I release you from the non-disclosure I made you sign when I attempted to recruit you, and I promise not to put a spell on you. Please release the communication I had with you when trying to recruit you, so triple's allegation can be confirmed. Thank you much in advance.

Ishilove:
Ahn ahn, Aunty Buda, a whole 10 page thread for lil 'ol you?? Since when did you become such a celeb?? 😱

And since when did you transition to a full blown atheist?? Aunty I am shocked!! 😨😨

Ah, Ishi my love. You did not know buda is a full blown atheist from birth and did not just "become"?

You must not come to this section much, lol.

Here's one from 6 years ago about buda's atheism.
https://www.nairaland.com/5178192/questions-budaatum-how-follow-jesus

budaatum:
Next you'd be claiming you don't have time to investigate the evidence while passing judgement, but if I ask you to post your so called "vehemently" now you'd likely claim not to have time!

But seriously, if I were recruiting people, is links all I'd post?

Wouldn't I contact potential recruitees to further sell it to them?

Why would I not fear that one of those I failed to recruit might post my recruiting conversation with them here?

Or is it that I'm so powerful that I wiped the communication off your device?

And how would I reap a reward if the link is a general one to the site, and not one I get paid for?

Or do you think I'd be recruiting with no financial reward for myself?

Or is that I'm so successful at recruiting you and your loyalty to me and what I've recruited you to makes you dare not say, FxMasterz?

Alright, and on that last one. I release you from the non-disclosure I made you sign when I attempted to recruit you, and I promise not to put a spell on you. Please release the communication I had with you when trying to recruit you, so triple's allegation can be confirmed. Thank you much in advance.

Now, that's interesting.

If Triplechoice can prove that you went beyond mere education to posting recruitment links as he claimed, the case is already closed.

Thankfully, he and others have saved screenshots as exhibits.

Ishilove:
Oh Mein Gott!!

*gasp* 😳

BUDAATUM?! OH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 😫😫😫

I might be shocked too if I only read FxMasterz's post and didn't do my own research. But I'd then need to be lazy too, and that's just not me.

FxMasterz:
Now, that's interesting.

If Triplechoice can prove that you went beyond mere education to posting recruitment links as he claimed, the case is already closed.

Thankfully, he and others have saved screenshots as exhibits.

"If"?

You should make up your own mind up, I think.

And post the recruiting material buda sent to you!

All this talk about Rosicrucian stuff has set me to go look for some I haven't seen for years.

And since I have an audience, I guess I shouldn't let a good opportunity go by unused.

https://archive.org/details/rosicrucian_mysteries_1202_librivox

This is for the attention of Triplechoice, and is unfortunately not one I've read yet.

My Lordreed, I promised you Aesop's and haven't delivered!

Here is where you can find audios.

https://archive.org/details/audio_bookspoetry?tab=collection&query=aesop

budaatum:
"If"?

You should make up your own mind up, I think.

And post the recruiting material buda sent to you!

Lol.

This is not a matter of making up my mind. It's a matter of 'seeing is believing'. After which I can have some conviction.

Since I do.not have the time to be rummaging Nairaland just to research buda, the evidences I see from those who present them will serve as the basis for the inferences that I'll draw. Who told you that I must always do everything by myself before I can know the truth?

FxMasterz:
Then you do that and provide recruitment links, and vehemently defend the position you don't believe in?

This is the point Triplechoice is trying to establish. Budaatum didn't just share for the purpose of education. He aimed at recruitments and even vehemently defended his materials against those who had opposing views.

So if I post a JW website link it means I am trying to recruit for JW? It doesn't follow especially as budaatum didn't explicitly ask anyone to join AMORC. Budaatum even clearly says the opposite, that would be a very strange thing to do if actively seeking to recruit don't you think?

LordReed:
So if I post a JW website link it means I am trying to recruit for JW? It doesn't follow especially as budaatum didn't explicitly ask anyone to join AMORC. Budaatum even clearly says the opposite, that would be a very strange thing to do if actively seeking to recruit don't you think?

My Lord, I'm tired of them. And the annoying thing is they want me to shut up. So, for the next few days I'm going to do the exact opposite and post more Rosicrucian stuff so they can really convince themselves that buda is promoting Amorc. And the good thing is some of it will be audio, so even those who don't read can easily listen to it.

That should recruit them!

budaatum:
I might be shocked too if I only read FxMasterz's post and didn't do my own research. But I'd then need to be lazy too, and that's just not me.

Heh. Aunty, you should know me well enough by now to know when I'm clowning around. It is those who haven't been on Nairaland for long that will not know who budaatum is and what buda represents.

Oh, and by the way, would you believe I still haven't gone beyond the first page of Siddharta after all these years? It seems it got lost in my device.

Tsk tsk. Not a very good recruiter, are you?

Where freedom of speech and expression is tolerated some people will surely feel offended that's why most people are now talking about cyber bullying but the truth remains that if you are honest hearted and sincere there is nothing anyone can say to tannish your image you are the only one who makes you you and not what anyone says.
So if you are made in a unique way what someone else says about you can only season what you have built as image and as for back bitters whatever they say can't last because your manner of approach and dealings with others will destroy whatever evil they said against you!🙂

budaatum:
My Lord, I'm tired of them. And the annoying thing is they want me to shut up. So, for the next few days I'm going to do the exact opposite and post more Rosicrucian stuff so they can really convince themselves that buda is promoting Amorc. And the good thing is some of it will be audio, so even those who don't read can easily listen to it.

That should recruit them!

I remember you trying to recruit me for Socrates and Plato, you bad buda! LoLz.

budaatum:
My Lordreed, I promised you Aesop's and haven't delivered!

Here is where you can find audios.

https://archive.org/details/audio_bookspoetry?tab=collection&query=aesop

Holy Andromeda! Budaatum is recruiting me for Aesop! LoLz.

Thanks buda, now I can share these with my children. Lovely.

Ishilove:
Heh. Aunty, you should know me well enough by now to know when I'm clowning around. It is those who haven't been on Nairaland for long that will not know who budaatum is and what buda represents.

Oh, and by the way, would you believe I still haven't gone beyond the first page of Siddharta after all these years? It seems it got lost in my device.

Tsk tsk. Not a very good recruiter, are you?

Guess I just wasn't assuming love. And indeed I must up my recruiting if I've failed with you, lol.

Try these audio versions of Siddharta to see if either is easier. I too will be listening after all these years as I need a refresher.

https://archive.org/details/siddhartha_ap_librivox

https://archive.org/details/siddhartha_1912_librivox/siddhartha_01_hesse_128kb.mp3

LordReed:
I remember you trying to recruit me for Socrates and Plato, you bad buda! LoLz.

I'm making recruitment my new duty, my Lord. And those who refuse I'll just forcefully conscript.

LordReed:
Holy Andromeda! Budaatum is recruiting me for Aesop! LoLz.

Thanks buda, now I can share these with my children. Lovely.

I'm so sorry I've taken so long my Lord. I guess I never thought of an audio version before now that triplechoice made me go look for Rosicrucian material and it occured to me. We must thank him.

budaatum:
I'm so sorry I've taken so long my Lord. I guess I never thought of an audio version before now that triplechoice made me go look for Rosicrucian material and it occured to me. We must thank him.

Happy you remembered. I loved Aesop as a child, it was like discovering treasure when I read it.

LordReed:
Happy you remembered. I loved Aesop as a child, it was like discovering treasure when I read it.

I actually always remembered and felt guilty quite a lot, and don't have to no more. Yippee!

I still owe you a hard copy though, and will one day.

budaatum:
I actually always remembered and felt guilty quite a lot, and don't have to no more. Yippee!

I still owe you a hard copy though, and will one day.

Does this AMORC books have any story concerning Jesus the Christ? And can I download free copies online?

LordReed:
So if I post a JW website link it means I am trying to recruit for JW? It doesn't follow especially as budaatum didn't explicitly ask anyone to join AMORC. Budaatum even clearly says the opposite, that would be a very strange thing to do if actively seeking to recruit don't you think?

Your hypothetical scenario is a false equivalence that ignores the specific context of Buda's actions.

Posting a single JW link in a neutral discussion is not the same as what Buda' did. The evidence shows a consistent pattern .

He didn't just drop a link. He used the first person "we" to describe AMORC and outlined the benefits one would gain by engaging with the group. This frames the information as an endorsement, not a neutral reference.

The link in the post was to download AMORC 's introductory materials, which are explicitly designed for potential new members,not for critical analysis.

This wasn't a one -off event. It is long history of him defending AMORC's doctrines from criticism, an action that makes no sense for a true atheist . He has never criticized the group instead what you find each time Amorc comes under attack is that Budaatum is always there to defend it.

Let me use your analogy correctly. If I consistently used "we"when talking about JWs, praised the benefits of being a Jehovah's Witness, distribute their "what we Believe" brochures,and passionately defended their doctrines online,you would be right to conclude I was an advocate or a member, even if I never explicitly said the words"please join"

The intent is clear from the totality of the actions . Buda wasn't just "sharing a link"he was promoting a group he is clearly affiliated with.

Members of Amorc are everywhere and they hardly reveal publicly their affiliation to the group. It is the same with Buda Visit the thread where he made that post and noticed that the title of the thread was written using the language only members of Amorc can understand.

The intent is clear from the totality of the actions. Buda wasn't just "sharing a link"; he was promoting a group he is clearly affiliated with.

See below the title of the thread for confirmation. It evidenced it is not the creation of an outsider. I am not the only person on Nairaland who knows Buda is an initiate of Amorc. I almost joined the group.So I know what I am talking about.

It is Latin which they mostly used in communicating certain messages within the group.

LordReed:
So if I post a JW website link it means I am trying to recruit for JW? It doesn't follow especially as budaatum didn't explicitly ask anyone to join AMORC. Budaatum even clearly says the opposite, that would be a very strange thing to do if actively seeking to recruit don't you think?

You are not clear here.

"What do you mean by Budaatum even clearly says the opposite "

budaatum:
Guess I just wasn't assuming love. And indeed I must up my recruiting if I've failed with you, lol.

Try these audio versions of Siddharta to see if either is easier. I too will be listening after all these years as I need a refresher.

https://archive.org/details/siddhartha_ap_librivox

https://archive.org/details/siddhartha_1912_librivox/siddhartha_01_hesse_128kb.mp3

Thank you. I'm still wondering how the file disappeared

budaatum:
Trust me when I say that I am very delighted and exceedingly pleased that those you invited to come and help you put a tyre around buda's neck and pour petrol on and burn are being "misled" by buda not to burn the buda that you want to burn.

It increases my trust and faith in the human race.

Your melodramatic fantasy about tyres and petrol is a pathetic deflection,and everyone can see it. It's silly performance designed to paint yourself as a victim and avoid the factual basis of this discussion.

1. You created a thread promoting AMORC

2. You used the word "we" and provided recruitment links.3.

3 You then technically "hid" this thread from your profile and kept silent where it can be found for over two years.

4. You only admitted it and produced the link when you were cornered in this very thread.

These are the actions of a person caught in a lie

You can perform your ", delight" and talk about your "faith"in the human race" all you want hiding behind your phone. But it doesn't change the facts. Your theatrical response only proves you have no legitimate answer to the evidence against you

The floor is still open for you to explain your documented actions.No amount of drama changes that

triplechoice:
You are not clear here.

"What do you mean by Budaatum even clearly says the opposite "

Budaatum said (paraphrased) don't join AMORC and pay the fees when you can read their literature for free. Does a recruiter say such a thing?