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LordReed:
On point.

It is Off Point.

steadygo:
Do you see your arrogance? I come at you for your inconsiderate response on your people and you claim it is "hatism" against God.

Then you assume I am an atheist as if for anyone to attack your posts here they must be an atheist. I do believe in God. However, I do not believe in your arguments.

It is very silly to think that most of these people who are showing clear signs of illnesses and going to pastors are actually not medically sick. Some are even given a clear diagnosis of their condition but they leave the assigned treatment in order to seek the help of a pastor or native doctor only to end up dying in the process. How can you then say they know their problem is not medical?

Sorry I mistook you for an atheist and this post does not seek my caring for the people. It only seeks understanding as to why such people act as they do. And I am only giving my view which is even a fact we all say offline when this observation comes up.

jaephoenix:
He has refused to educate himself. I have engaged him and many theists. There's a certain indifference and disdain they have towards science, like science is wrong and whatever the bible or pastor says is right. One Christian here Ogascomax or something like that told me scientists hate Christianity

No Christian should fight science, I don't fight science. God created science and gave men wisdom even in the Bible days to create things. Scripture speaks of three kinds of knowledge and scientific knowledge is one of them.
We need science in this last days to advance our work and our Gospel. But when science contradict the one who created it then will need to set that science right or correct that science.
Like I said they are questions about evolution and the big bang theory that they could not answer but the answer is in God. Because nothing can exist without nothing.
So one question is where did life come from. You cannot prove to me that things just begun to exist? What is the history of existence?
Theories were built around to many scientific assumption. The fact that science could come up with some stories of evolution does not make evolution true or the big bang.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is Off Point.

It is so on point.

ogascomax:
No Christian should fight science, I don't fight science. God created science and gave men wisdom even in the Bible days to create things. Scripture speaks of three kinds of knowledge and scientific knowledge is one of them.
We need science in this last days to advance our work and our Gospel. But when science contradict the one who created it then will need to set that science right or correct that science.
Like I said they are questions about evolution and the big bang theory that they could not answer but the answer is in God. Because nothing can exist without nothing.
So one question is where did life come from. You cannot prove to me that things just begun to exist? What is the history of existence?
Theories were built around to many scientific assumption. The fact that science could come up with some stories of evolution does not make evolution true or the big bang.

1.How can the creation of an all powerful and all knowing god contradict it's creator? So this god created science knowing it would contradict and mislead it's people?
2. There is proof of dinos,human tail etc which negates what is in the bible. So are you saying god creates science which is proving him a liar?
3. What are the questions about evolution? Just so you know,there's plenty evidence of evolution. We are evolving. Every other animal is evolving. There are organs in the human body that are completely useless like the appendix etc. They point to earlier use which is now useless due to our current die since we have evolved. Same with the human tail,which again evidence exists.
4. Yes,science cannot categorically state how we started to exist but instead of cooking up stories,it is investigating and researching. Religion is inserting a god into this knowledge gap. Are you aware that your version of the creation story is one in a thousand others(which are almost the same). So how do we know your particular story is legit. Do you know people inserted their god into previous the knowledge gap we had about floods,lightning etc. But currently we know how they exist

ogascomax:
No Christian should fight science, I don't fight science. God created science and gave men wisdom even in the Bible days to create things. Scripture speaks of three kinds of knowledge and scientific knowledge is one of them.
We need science in this last days to advance our work and our Gospel. But when science contradict the one who created it then will need to set that science right or correct that science.
Like I said they are questions about evolution and the big bang theory that they could not answer but the answer is in God. Because nothing can exist without nothing.
So one question is where did life come from. You cannot prove to me that things just begun to exist? What is the history of existence?
Theories were built around to many scientific assumption. The fact that science could come up with some stories of evolution does not make evolution true or the big bang.

No Christian fights science. Science belongs to God and comes from Him, so we are not fighting science..
However, we fight devus because they raise science beyond its due place, which is a tool for solving our problems. That is all.

Secondly, things don't just exist. Someone creates them, so evolution is a Lie. And the fact that they say "theories" is proof that they are not real but mere speculations.

Dtruthspeaker:
No Christian fights science. Science belongs to God and comes from Him, so we are not fighting science..
However, we fight devus because they raise science beyond its due place, which is a tool for solving our problems. That is all.

Secondly, things don't just exist. Someone creates them, so evolution is a Lie. And the fact that they say "theories" is proof that they are not real but mere speculations.

This is exactly how someone that have no idea about science post. No idea how science works,no idea about the terminologies, no idea about the history? Introducing Dtruthspeaker, ladies and gentlemen

jaephoenix:
1.How can the creation of an all powerful and all knowing god contradict it's creator? So this god created science knowing it would contradict and mislead it's people?
2. There is proof of dinos,human tail etc which negates what is in the bible. So are you saying god creates science which is proving him a liar?
3. What are the questions about evolution? Just so you know,there's plenty evidence of evolution. We are evolving. Every other animal is evolving. There are organs in the human body that are completely useless like the appendix etc. They point to earlier use which is now useless due to our current die since we have evolved. Same with the human tail,which again evidence exists.
4. Yes,science cannot categorically state how we started to exist but instead of cooking up stories,it is investigating and researching. Religion is inserting a god into this knowledge gap. Are you aware that your version of the creation story is one in a thousand others(which are almost the same). So how do we know your particular story is legit. Do you know people inserted their god into previous the knowledge gap we had about floods,lightning etc. But currently we know how they exist

All these rubbish have been destroyed in all the threads they were raised so there is no need for reargument

Dtruthspeaker:
All these rubbish have been destroyed in all the threads they were raised so there is no need for reargument

No they haven't. If you think they were,point me to them. I have literally been on all the threads in christian section,and they were not tackled. Christians tend to run from atheist debates

jaephoenix:
1.How can the creation of an all powerful and all knowing god contradict it's creator? So this god created science knowing it would contradict and mislead it's people?
2. There is proof of dinos,human tail etc which negates what is in the bible. So are you saying god creates science which is proving him a liar?
3. What are the questions about evolution? Just so you know,there's plenty evidence of evolution. We are evolving. Every other animal is evolving. There are organs in the human body that are completely useless like the appendix etc. They point to earlier use which is now useless due to our current die since we have evolved. Same with the human tail,which again evidence exists.
4. Yes,science cannot categorically state how we started to exist but instead of cooking up stories,it is investigating and researching. Religion is inserting a god into this knowledge gap. Are you aware that your version of the creation story is one in a thousand others(which are almost the same). So how do we know your particular story is legit. Do you know people inserted their god into previous the knowledge gap we had about floods,lightning etc. But currently we know how they exist

Your arguments are lame. God gave man free will to act in whatever capacity they wish but at the end of all things he would judge man. Even you that is a rebel today God gave you that freedom to believe whatsoever you chose but at the end he would judge you. Whatever thing you need to believe in the existence of God is available but you have chose to follow lies.

So let's dive more into these things.
“The Bible is not written in modern scientific language, but it makes foundational claims that align with reality:
The universe had a beginning
Order preceded life
Life came from life
Humanity is unique and purposeful”
“ The Bible is not primitive” argument.
Can science prove that only natural causes exist?
Is methodological naturalism a rule or a fact?
Why trust reason if it evolved purely for survival, not truth?
“If our minds are products of blind processes, why trust them to discover truth?”
That’s a philosophical problem for naturalism.
“Science explains mechanisms. The Bible explains meaning, origin, and purpose. These are not enemies — but when science oversteps into philosophy, it stops being science.”
The universe operates within extremely precise constants.
“If gravity, electromagnetic force, or nuclear forces were slightly different, life would be impossible.”
These shows that something design the earth to be perfect, that thing can only be God and science cannot prove where those things come from. When science talked about an imaginary lines that runs through the earth, the North and South poles, talking about longitude and latitude.
God created all those things, the imaginary things you are talking about.
Hebrews 11:3 (KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Colossians 1:16-17
[16]For it was in Him that all things were created, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, whether thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [by His service, intervention] and in and for Him.
[17]And He Himself existed before all things, and in Him all things consist (cohere, are held together). [Prov. 8:22-31.]
Science does not have a claim of how the earth came about but we have a God that says he created what you don't know how it came about. Who them are you going to believe. God or the unknown?

jaephoenix:
This is exactly how someone that have no idea about science post. No idea how science works,no idea about the terminologies, no idea about the history? Introducing Dtruthspeaker, ladies and gentlemen

Says the one who I ask who came first is it science or natural living? And he runs away.

Like every section here is talking is science.

Wail till you collapse, when I take you on, you would never have any reasonable thing to say after as even this thread has shown

jaephoenix:
No they haven't. If you think they were,point me to them. I have literally been on all the threads in christian section,and they were not tackled. Christians tend to run from atheist debates

If they were not, you won't have been complaining and attacking that former atheists who abused you atheists.

ogascomax:
Your arguments are lame. God gave man free will to act in whatever capacity they wish but at the end of all things he would judge man. Even you that is a rebel today God gave you that freedom to believe whatsoever you chose but at the end he would judge you. Whatever thing you need to believe in the existence of God is available but you have chose to follow lies. ..

His arguments itself is fallty. It has not even reached the quality where it can be considered an argument. The argument is itself an argument. So he has not even started arguing.

ogascomax:
Your arguments are lame. God gave man free will to act in whatever capacity they wish but at the end of all things he would judge man. Even you that is a rebel today God gave you that freedom to believe whatsoever you chose but at the end he would judge you. Whatever thing you need to believe in the existence of God is available but you have chose to follow lies.

So let's dive more into these things.
“The Bible is not written in modern scientific language, but it makes foundational claims that align with reality:
The universe had a beginning
Order preceded life
Life came from life
Humanity is unique and purposeful”
“ The Bible is not primitive” argument.
Can science prove that only natural causes exist?
Is methodological naturalism a rule or a fact?
Why trust reason if it evolved purely for survival, not truth?
“If our minds are products of blind processes, why trust them to discover truth?”
That’s a philosophical problem for naturalism.
“Science explains mechanisms. The Bible explains meaning, origin, and purpose. These are not enemies — but when science oversteps into philosophy, it stops being science.”
The universe operates within extremely precise constants.
“If gravity, electromagnetic force, or nuclear forces were slightly different, life would be impossible.”
These shows that something design the earth to be perfect, that thing can only be God and science cannot prove where those things come from. When science talked about an imaginary lines that runs through the earth, the North and South poles, talking about longitude and latitude.
God created all those things, the imaginary things you are talking about.
Hebrews 11:3 (KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Colossians 1:16-17
[16]For it was in Him that all things were created, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, whether thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [by His service, intervention] and in and for Him.
[17]And He Himself existed before all things, and in Him all things consist (cohere, are held together). [Prov. 8:22-31.]
Science does not have a claim of how the earth came about but we have a God that says he created what you don't know how it came about. Who them are you going to believe. God or the unknown?

1.Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc. Freewill is an excuse Christians give to put their god out of scrutiny but they pray every day for their god to change the heart of their bosses, spouses, governors,presidents etc thereby disrupting the freewill of those folks listed. It's really funny. Also how is there freewill if an all knowing god already knows what we're gonna do? Does it make sense? And finally, let's just assume for the purpose of this discussion that yhwh allows freewill. Then why punish humans for exercising this freewill? It's just like a dad telling his toddler"u can eat ice cream or rice but if you eat rice,imma punish u" of course the child ice cream since rice carries a punishment.
2.And which scientists told you the world has a beginning? The consensus is still that we don't know
3. Science is agnostic about supernatural events since it cannot interface with it. If you have evidence of supernatural phenomena,do let us know
4. So you don't trust your reasoning faculties,or what? So if we can't trust our minds,what can we trust? Tell me what it is,and why
5. Ah,the bible. The book that never stops giving. The bible has been found not just to contain half-truths,but contradictions and plain lies. I have made a thread about the bible contradictions on this forum. Two other atheists have made similar threads too. The brave christians that managed to make contributions were incoherent. The bible has been found to be historically,scientifically and logically incorrect. Examples abound. Egypt never colonized Israel,there was no time the sun or moon stood still,there was no time people mass resurrected from the grave etc. I can go on but if you want the thread, check my profile.
6. Can you explain this sentence?
'If gravity, electromagnetic force, or nuclear forces were slightly different, life would be impossible'
This is cos life can survive with 1.5G gravity or 0.5G gravity. Also humans can survive when the other parameters you mentioned are altered. Animals are highly resilient and evolve to adapt to many environments
Also the human body is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
7. So if I tell you that this world was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, would you believe it and why or why not?

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who I ask who came first is it science or natural living? And he runs away.

Like every section here is talking is science.

Wail till you collapse, when I take you on, you would never have any reasonable thing to say after as even this thread has shown

When did ask me that question? And wtf is natural living?

Dtruthspeaker:
If they were not, you won't have been complaining and attacking that former atheists who abused you atheists.

Which former atheist?
And when did we attack this 'former atheist'?

jaephoenix:
When did ask me that question? And wtf is natural living?

See it, now you have resorted to pretence and Lies when you see you cannot answer. Yet, you were making stewpi noises.

Dtruthspeaker:
See it, now you have resorted to pretence and Lies when you see you cannot answer. Yet, you were making stewpi noises.

Lol 😆
All this gaslighting and lies won't make my questions go away. Please if you cannot answer,shift make Ogascomax try.
Or better still, get your antipsychotics

jaephoenix:
Which former atheist?
And when did we attack this 'former atheist'?

Be there asking silly questions. You think we do not remember the thread earlier this year where you came hollering at the atheists who openly said that you people are stewp...? ou think I will forget your pain of that day?

Every year, every stewp follow follow who became an atheist, will leave you people and they would even declare that you people are the most fuuull.icsh on earth.

jaephoenix:
Lol 😆
All this gaslighting and lies won't make my questions go away. Please if you cannot answer,shift make Ogascomax try.
Or better still, get your antipsychotics

Your question has been answered already and people here saw them. And I did not talk to you, it is you who spoke to me.

And in your mind because ogasco, is giving the answers you know, you think you can vampire him into your deat. Well, he may surprise you that you won't be able to bite him

Dtruthspeaker:
See it, now you have resorted to pretence and Lies when you see you cannot answer. Yet, you were making stewpi noises.

Ok,psycho. I have heard

Dtruthspeaker:
Be there asking silly questions. You think we do not remember the thread earlier this year where you came hollering at the atheists who openly said that you people are stewp...? ou think I will forget your pain of that day?

Every year, every stewp follow follow who became an atheist, will leave you people and they would even declare that you people are the most fuuull.icsh on earth.

Ok,sir. Noted

Akinpedia:
Good day, Great Nairalanders.



My Question to You: Is this total trust in religious leaders the reason why we aren't progressing as a nation? Or is the Pastor simply filling a gap that the Government and Professionals left wide open?

Let’s take some time to discuss this topic in more detail and explore all the relevant aspects thoroughly.

Trust in pastors or religion is not the primary reason for our nation's lack of progress.

The major factors for the country's underdevelopment are the widespread lack of access to quality education and endemic poverty.

Europeans did not progress by banning religion. Their approach was to open wide the doors to quality education for all citizens, thereby training their critical thinking skills. The results of that investment are what they enjoy today. Historically, it was often the church, particularly the Catholic church that led the way in educating people and encouraging their contribution to societal development.

We can do the same here. However, our government officials are products of the same society where many have not been taught how to think critically. Consequently, they often do not know what to do beyond using public office for personal gain.

Also, we should be aware that only a small minority engage in the behaviour you described, ignoring medical advice or avoiding legal counsel. If most Nigerians did this, lawyers would go hungry, doctors would lack patients,and hospitals would be deserted.


Many Churches are actively contributing to Nigeria's development in certain critical areas like healthcare and education. They have built and run quality schools open to both their members and the general public. They have also established hospitals,staffed them with qualified doctors,and provided scholarships for students to study fields like medicine and law, directly investing in the nation's human capital.

Therefore, the situation is not quite as you have portrayed it. In fact, these days, only a few believers place complete trust in pastors. Most are wary of them because of past experiences. Some no longer attend church due to encounters with pastors who duped them with fake prophecies. Those who still attend after such an ordeal usually say the pastor is not the reason they go to church, but rather their faith in God.

Akinpedia:
➜You say even the educated follow them? There is a difference between Schooling and Education. Many Nigerians are schooled (they have degrees) but they aren't educated enough to question illogical dogmas. When fear enters the heart, 'schooling' flies out the window. That is why a Professor will still carry a bottle of 'holy oil' to fix a car engine.

You say that, but if you watch even people like Jerry Eze's daily show, you will find your professors, doctors, and lawyers believing in all of that nonsense.

triplechoice:
Trust in pastors or religion is not the primary reason for our nation's lack of progress.

The major factors for the country's underdevelopment are the widespread lack of access to quality education and endemic poverty.

Europeans did not progress by banning religion. Their approach was to open wide the doors to quality education for all citizens, thereby training their critical thinking skills. The results of that investment are what they enjoy today. Historically, it was often the church, particularly the Catholic church that led the way in educating people and encouraging their contribution to societal development.

We can do the same here. However, our government officials are products of the same society where many have not been taught how to think critically. Consequently, they often do not know what to do beyond using public office for personal gain.

Also, we should be aware that only a small minority engage in the behaviour you described, ignoring medical advice or avoiding legal counsel. If most Nigerians did this, lawyers would go hungry, doctors would lack patients,and hospitals would be deserted.


Many Churches are actively contributing to Nigeria's development in certain critical areas like healthcare and education. They have built and run quality schools open to both their members and the general public. They have also established hospitals,staffed them with qualified doctors,and provided scholarships for students to study fields like medicine and law, directly investing in the nation's human capital.

Therefore, the situation is not quite as you have portrayed it. In fact, these days, only a few believers place complete trust in pastors. Most are wary of them because of past experiences. Some no longer attend church due to encounters with pastors who duped them with fake prophecies. Those who still attend after such an ordeal usually say the pastor is not the reason they go to church, but rather their faith in God.

Let me explain why trust in pastors is part of our demise as a nation.
Accountability is a major force in developed countries,and it checkmates corruption. Of course no country is corruption free but it's relatively less in those countries. The bible says you should ask and it shall be given,whether good governance,new car or good health. Just pray. Same bible also says we should obey those in leadership and pray for them. Notice it didn't say we should castigate or hold them accountable.Religion and it's drivers like pastors take this accountability away from the government and places it on god. That's why we say religion is a manipulative tool by the government, who work hand in hand with the religious leaders. Prime example is some top pastors. They tell you to pray for leaders everyday

Kobojunkieee:
You say that, but if you watch even people like Jerry Eze's daily show, you will find your professors, doctors, and lawyers believing in all of that nonsense.

Exactly, that's the sad part

triplechoice:
..Europeans did not progress by banning religion. Their approach was to open wide the doors to quality education for all citizens, thereby training their critical thinking skills...

They did better than that. They supported and promoted their own local businesses and economies even if it meant killing other foreign competition.

Like I just learnt in the village that the white bandits came here and banned our own local and better gin called "Sapele water" only to promote their own Gordons gin. Thereby creating the economy of foreign imports.

So, how can the ordinary local people prosper and get their due rewards for their local labour and industry when nearly all their local enterprises are being stifled instead of encouraged and grown and exported?

And this can only be done by the rulers. Exports must be more than imports for a nation to prosper

jaephoenix:
Let me explain why trust in pastors is part of our demise as a nation.
Accountability is a major force in developed countries,and it checkmates corruption. Of course no country is corruption free but it's relatively less in those countries. The bible says you should ask and it shall be given,whether good governance,new car or good health. Just pray. Same bible also says we should obey those in leadership and pray for them. Notice it didn't say we should castigate or hold them accountable.Religion and it's drivers like pastors take this accountability away from the government and places it on god. That's why we say religion is a manipulative tool by the government, who work hand in hand with the religious leaders. Prime example is some top pastors. They tell you to pray for leaders everyday

The major flaw in your argument is that you are confusing the effect for the cause,and the "manipulative tool" for the mechanism.

You diagnose our perceived stagnation relative to developed nations, a perception that overlooks the tangible progress made over the past decades, and based on a selective , superficial reading of Christian scripture, attributes it to a certain Christian mindset, while ignoring the fact Nigeria is not a solely Christian nation. Your implied solution is to remove this "manipulative tool" ( religion) to kick-start progress or make Nigerians demand accountability from their leaders.

This logic of yours is completely flawed. If you want to put out a fire, you don't blow at the smoke.

The true cause is not the tool of manipulation, but the condition of the people being manipulated. What creates this vulnerability is not a holy book, Bible or Qur'an, but a critical faculty left undeveloped by lack of access to good quality education and entrenched poverty.

Nigeria is the rated has the poverty capital of the world, with the highest number of out-of-school children, many of whom may never learn to read or write. This is the root cause. An uneducated populace grappling with survival is vulnerable to control regardless of the ideology used.

If you ban religion, but leave the people uneducated and powerless, the ruling class will simply replace it with another, often insidious, tool. Look at North Korea, it has banned religion, yet the population is ruthlessly manipulated by state sponsored propaganda and personality cult. In this instance, the tool changed or was removed, the mechanism of control did not.

This is precisely why access to quality education is strategically denied by those in power, whether corrupt politicians, extremist leaders, or controlling sects.

Boko Haram understands this perfectly. They are literally. "against Western education" because enlightenment threatens their control.

The Jehovah Witnesses discourage higher education ( like studying medicine or law) under the guise of it being unnecessary for the "new world" . The unspoken reason is the fear of losing members who become rational independent thinkers capable of questioning authority.

Therefore, the problem was never religion itself. The problem is, and has always been, a ruling class that perpetuates a lack of critical education to maintain a pliable populace.. Yes, Religion can be one vehicle for this, but it is not the engine. The engine is deliberate disempowerment .

You are focusing on the smoke ( a religious interpretation) and blaming it for the burning building, while ignoring the raging fire, a system that produces uneducated, desperate citizens. Ignore the smoke and put out the fire and the building will be saved.

triplechoice:
The major flaw in your argument is that you are confusing the effect for the cause,and the "manipulative tool" for the mechanism.

You diagnose our perceived stagnation relative to developed nations, a perception that overlooks the tangible progress made over the past decades, and based on a selective , superficial reading of Christian scripture, attributes it to a certain Christian mindset, while ignoring the fact Nigeria is not a solely Christian nation. Your implied solution is to remove this "manipulative tool" ( religion) to kick-start progress or make Nigerians demand accountability from their leaders.

This logic of yours is completely flawed. If you want to put out a fire, you don't blow at the smoke.

The true cause is not the tool of manipulation, but the condition of the people being manipulated. What creates this vulnerability is not a holy book, Bible or Qur'an, but a critical faculty left undeveloped by lack of access to good quality education and entrenched poverty.

Nigeria is the rated has the poverty capital of the world, with the highest number of out-of-school children, many of whom may never learn to read or write. This is the root cause. An uneducated populace grappling with survival is vulnerable to control regardless of the ideology used.

If you ban religion, but leave the people uneducated and powerless, the ruling class will simply replace it with another, often insidious, tool. Look at North Korea, it has banned religion, yet the population is ruthlessly manipulated by state sponsored propaganda and personality cult. In this instance, the tool changed or was removed, the mechanism of control did not.

This is precisely why access to quality education is strategically denied by those in power, whether corrupt politicians, extremist leaders, or controlling sects.

Boko Haram understands this perfectly. They are literally. "against Western education" because enlightenment threatens their control.

The Jehovah Witnesses discourage higher education ( like studying medicine or law) under the guise of it being unnecessary for the "new world" . The unspoken reason is the fear of losing members who become rational independent thinkers capable of questioning authority.

Therefore, the problem was never religion itself. The problem is, and has always been, a ruling class that perpetuates a lack of critical education to maintain a pliable populace.. Yes, Religion can be one vehicle for this, but it is not the engine. The engine is deliberate disempowerment .

You are focusing on the smoke ( a religious interpretation) and blaming it for the burning building, while ignoring the raging fire, a system that produces uneducated, desperate citizens. Ignore the smoke and put out the fire and the building will be saved.

You're right. Critical thinking skills are important for nation growth and unhindered religion is the outcome. However, suppressing religion is a good point, and removing it totally from the state is paramount. You won't see developed countries tell its citizens that security comes from any god
But you're right anways

Cuz certain Nigerians love to be idiots, write some book place it in some random location and boom it is "legitimate" after being found 3000 years later

jaephoenix:
You're right. Critical thinking skills are important for nation growth and unhindered religion is the outcome. However, suppressing religion is a good point, and removing it totally from the state is paramount. You won't see developed countries tell its citizens that security comes from any god
But you're right anways

I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge the importance of critical thinking. However, your conclusion that "suppressing religion" and "removing it totally from the state is paramount" is not only a non-sequitur but a dangerous and simplistic prescription. It ignores the fact that Nigeria is a democratic nation where religious rights and freedoms are entrenched in the constitution. If such rights are removed, the country ceases to be a democratic society.

You are still attacking the symptom, not the cause. The state's energy should be channeled into providing quality education and eradicating poverty, not the futile and authoritarian task of policing belief.

Moreover,it is impractical and harmful to suppress religion. Religion is deeply tied to culture, identity, and the country's economy. Attempting to eradicate it in the manner you suggest would create immense social strife . The goal should be a society where people are free to believe what they want, as long as they do not try to force it on anyone else and function as constructive citizens.

And again, your premise is factually incorrect. You claim, "You won't see developed countries tell its citizens that security comes from any god". This is simply not true. Many developed nations, like the US, UK, and Germany, have robust religious freedoms, and their leaders openly reference it when the occasion calls for it. Their development did not come from suppressing religion but from building strong secular institutions that protect all citizens, regardless of belief. In fact, the American constitution is an intrinsically religious document; it references faith with the phrase,. "In God we Trust".

I welcome your agreement with my diagnosis, but I do not accept your prescribed cure because it is not only wrong but also counterproductive. Build the schools, not the thought police. Empower the people with knowledge, and you will not need to suppress their beliefs, they will be equipped to navigate them responsibly. The irony in all of this is that in Nigeria today, it is the churches and mosques that are doing what the government is supposed to do: building standard schools from elementary to university levels so citizens can have a quality education, yet you want them removed completely.