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Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:52am On Jan 01
MaxInDHouse:
In your delusional thoughts shey?🤣

Did anyone call Jesus "Almighty God" ?🤣
Google or search what
I AM

mean in the Bible search what it mean when God told it to Moses
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25am On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
Google or search what
I AM
mean in the Bible search what it mean when God told it to Moses
Wikipedia says that's not the exact word in the scriptures it could be translated "i will prove" so your I AM was subject to different meanings!
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:31am On Jan 01
MaxInDHouse:
Wikipedia says that's not the exact word in the scriptures it could be translated "i will prove" so your I AM was subject to different meanings!
In the Bible, "I AM" signifies God's eternal, self-existent nature, revealed to Moses as "I AM WHO I AM" (Exodus 3:14), meaning He is timeless, unchanging, and the ultimate reality. Jesus later uses "I AM" (Greek: ego eimi) with seven metaphorical "I AM" statements in John's Gospel (e.g., " I am the bread of life, " "I am the light of the world " ) to declare His divine identity and saving role.

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:34am On Jan 01
MaxInDHouse:
Wikipedia says that's not the exact word in the scriptures it could be translated "i will prove" so your I AM was subject to different meanings!
Immediately jesus used that word they know he was saying I am... God almighty

They picked up stone to kill him

Only you refuse to know what jesus meant when he said I am

Because you are still blind using fake Bible.. Wrong foundations
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:11am On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
I will use Bible to explain it soon
I'm waiting
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:33am On Jan 01
Truthseeker10:
I'm waiting
I will do it a long write up because I will start from trinity of God and show trinity of man it will take days or weeks to finish writing and am already writing some of it step by step am collecting the various verse
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:47am On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
I will do it a long write up because I will start from trinity of God and show trinity of man it will take days or weeks to finish writing and am already writing some of it step by step am collecting the various verse
Oga below are the questions that I've asked you. If you don't answer them, I will repeat the questions. So please be specific about answering them and don't deviate.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul tells the brain what to do? Did you not tell me here that Adam's brain is his soul? Is the brain not part of the body again?

In the example of the human body that you gave, Who is the Holy spirit giving life, is it the father or the son?

Where does the Bible teach that Adam Soul is Powerful than his spirit?

Where does the Bible also teach that Jesus spirit is powerful than his soul?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:49am On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
Immediately jesus used that word they know he was saying I am... God almighty

They picked up stone to kill him

Only you refuse to know what jesus meant when he said I am

Because you are still blind using fake Bible.. Wrong foundations
What is the Greek word for "I AM"?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:06am On Jan 01
Truthseeker10:
Oga simply answer the questions of your teachings below. If you can't just rest.

Where does the Bible teach that the soul tells the brain what to do? Did you not tell me here that Adam's brain is his soul? Is the brain not part of the body again?

In the example of the human body that you gave, Who is the Holy spirit giving life, is it the father or the son?

Where does the Bible teach that Adam Soul is Powerful than his spirit?

Where does the Bible also teach that Jesus spirit is powerful than his soul?
NOTE THIS
When i say powerful I actually mean the part of the man that rules more than the other part

Example Adam soul which is his brain rules more that why Bible even said he became a living soul

While in jesus he became a life giver life giving spirit so that what I meant by powerful

Examples
just as Adam brought sin and death to humanity through disobedience,
Jesus, the "life-giving Spirit" from heaven, brings righteousness, spiritual life, and resurrection to believers through His obedience and sacrifice

THE OTHER ANSWER IS COMING UP
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:09am On Jan 01
Truthseeker10:
What is the Greek word for "I AM"?
Stop looking for language God uses all language

In the old testament
God told moses I am
As his person

Meaning I am who I am
I am what you want me to be
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 11:09am On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
NOTE THIS
When i say powerful I actually mean the part of the man that rules more than the other part

Example Adam soul which is his brain rules more that why Bible even said he became a living soul

While in jesus he became a life giver life giving spirit so that what I meant by powerful

Examples
just as Adam brought sin and death to humanity through disobedience,
Jesus, the "life-giving Spirit" from heaven, brings righteousness, spiritual life, and resurrection to believers through His obedience and sacrifice

THE OTHER ANSWER IS COMING UP
Is Adam's brain not part of his body?

Did you not tell me that it is the Holy spirit that gives life, so why are you now pinning it on Jesus?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10:
Kingsnairaland:
Stop looking for language God uses all language

In the old testament
God told moses I am
As his person

Meaning I am who I am
I am what you want me to be
Lol are you joking....was the bible not originally written in ancient Hebrew and Greek? So what is the Greek word for "I AM"? OGA answer.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 3:52pm On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
Stop looking for language God uses all language

In the old testament
God told moses I am
As his person

Meaning I am who I am
I am what you want me to be
God never said "I Am" to Moses.

You can't force God to be what you want him to be.
Rather, God will BE WHAT HE CHOSE TO BE.
Note the difference ,please.
Hebrew language bible rejects your claim.
Read the evidence in screenshots.


God said to Moses : "I will be", @ Exodus 3:12,14.
"I AM" is not in the Greek manuscript of Exodus 3:12 when God first spoke the word "Ehyeh" & later said "Ehyeh" ("I will be what I will be"wink,the 2nd time @ Exodus 3:14.
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is NOT 'I am what you want me to be'.

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 4:09pm On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
In the Bible, "I ideAM" signifies God's eternal, self-existent nature, revealed to Moses as "I AM WHO I AM" (Exodus 3:14), meaning He is timeless, unchanging, and the ultimate reality. Jesus later uses "I AM" (Greek: ego eimi) with seven metaphorical "I AM" statements in John's Gospel (e.g., " I am the bread of life, " "I am the light of the world " ) to declare His divine identity and saving role.
You done give evidence in your own screenshot (2nd main point) that the Hebrew word is "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (" I will be what I want to be)" @ Exodus 3:14.

Yet, you are deceiving yourself claiming " I am".

Is Hebrew the same language as Greek ?
No.

Is Yoruba the same language as Igbo?
No.

Does 'Jide' or Olaniyi in Yoruba language also mean 'Jide' or Olaniyi in Igbo language?

No.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
grin cheesy cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 4:15pm On Jan 01
MaxInDHouse:
Wikipedia says that's not the exact word in the scriptures it could be translated "i will prove" so your I AM was subject to different meanings!
The Trinitarians disingenious attempt to find support for their doctrine led them to make it seem as if Exodus 3:12,14 is similar to John 8:58 when in fact they are dissimilar.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by sonmvayina(m): 8:43pm On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
Death is when some thing stops to exist

Now since man is trinity he is
a soul
a body
a spirit

The body is made of or from clay soil

The spirit is from God made of or from fire equivalent to God's spirit

The Soul it just like a software it your thinking part of the human being

The body can die and perish but the spirit can't stop to exist because it is spirit... so physical death can happen to body and it stops to exist

But spiritual death when it happens to the spirit it takes place when the soul and spirit or the new body is put in hell or lake of fire
That is eternal separation from God
I guess you are new to religion and spirituality.

No, no No, man is not a trinity.
body + spirit= soul. when the spirit enters the body it becomes a soul, a living soul. when it's numbers are up, the spirit returns to God who gave it and the body is buried for it to return to dust.
There never was any need for Jesus. The Romans/Greeks created him to control the masses and deceive them into believing in false hope.
God already gave the Jews a solution to the problem of sin, and it does not involve human sacrifice , confess and forsake I will forgive see 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Jesus is just a myth.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:58pm On Jan 01
Kingsnairaland:
Immediately jesus used that word they know he was saying I am... God almighty
They picked up stone to kill him
Only you refuse to know what jesus meant when he said I am
Because you are still blind using fake Bible.. Wrong foundations
When a 33 year old youth claims he has been in existence before Abraham what do you think he meant?

Well he said that to prove he knows more than their great grandmother and means he is not a mere human which makes him a divine being (angel) that's why they got provoked o!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:45am On Jan 02
Truthseeker10:
Is Adam's brain not part of his body?

Did you not tell me that it is the Holy spirit that gives life, so why are you now pinning it on Jesus?
When you accept jesus immediately the holy spirit gives you eternal life because the holy spirit is the spirit of jesus...
But for you to have special powers you need to tell God to give you the holy spirit because the holy spirit is a special kind of gift he gives you ability to speak in tongues this is a powerful way to communicate with God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:50am On Jan 02
Truthseeker10:
Lol are you joking....was the bible not originally written in ancient Hebrew and Greek? So what is the Greek word for "I AM"? OGA answer.
Brother it does matter if it was written in French or yoruba

Moses wanted to know the specific name of God and God proved to him he does not have any

GOD show him I AM

I AM WHO YOU WANT ME TO BE
I AM WHO I AM

SO WE NOW TAKE GOD name to be I AM

and when Jesus was asked who are you that you said David call you lord
Jesus even also said before Abraham I AM

THEN they wanted to kill him because they know he called himself God almighty
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:00am On Jan 02
Janosky:
God never said "I Am" to Moses.

You can't force God to be what you want him to be.
Rather, God will BE WHAT HE CHOSE TO BE.
Note the difference ,please.
Hebrew language bible rejects your claim.
Read the evidence in screenshots.


God said to Moses : "I will be", @ Exodus 3:12,14.
"I AM" is not in the Greek manuscript of Exodus 3:12 when God first spoke the word "Ehyeh" & later said "Ehyeh" ("I will be what I will be"wink,the 2nd time @ Exodus 3:14.
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is NOT 'I am what you want me to be'.
Only God knows the type of evil bible they write for you

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

ויאמר אלוהים אל משה: "אהיה אשר אהיה. כה תאמר לבני ישראל: 'אהיה שלחני אליכם'".

Exodus 3:14 ►
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

New Living Translation
God replied to Moses, “ I Am Who I Am . Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.”

English Standard Version
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

Berean Standard Bible
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

King James Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:06am On Jan 02
Janosky:
God never said "I Am" to Moses.

You can't force God to be what you want him to be.
Rather, God will BE WHAT HE CHOSE TO BE.
Note the difference ,please.
Hebrew language bible rejects your claim.
Read the evidence in screenshots.


God said to Moses : "I will be", @ Exodus 3:12,14.
"I AM" is not in the Greek manuscript of Exodus 3:12 when God first spoke the word "Ehyeh" & later said "Ehyeh" ("I will be what I will be"wink,the 2nd time @ Exodus 3:14.
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is NOT 'I am what you want me to be'.
Several years ago
You don't even think properly after Israel has lost it true Hebrew language don't you know that language change
The new Israel don't even know all the original
Meaning recently


You better stick to the old meaning without changing any things

I am who you want me to be is truly the real one why

Because if you need money then God will become what you want him to be

He will be the provider

If you need health
He will be the healer

Etc
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:12am On Jan 02
Janosky:
You done give evidence in your own screenshot (2nd main point) that the Hebrew word is "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (" I will be what I want to be)" @ Exodus 3:14.

Yet, you are deceiving yourself claiming " I am".

Is Hebrew the same language as Greek ?
No.

Is Yoruba the same language as Igbo?
No.

Does 'Jide' or Olaniyi in Yoruba language also mean 'Jide' or Olaniyi in Igbo language?

No.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
grin cheesy cheesy
You don't get how things work

Example
If God used yoruba and taiwo means twins
If God said my name is taiwo


Now let say jesus speaks English during his own time and jesus said my name is is twins

It still the same thing

Stop thinking that Jesus must use that same taiwo before you accept

Expand your thinking God is vast

Even though jesus used that exact word God used to Moses..
In aramaic.. And John translated it to Greek ... that why they wanted to kill him

When Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58), the Greek words used were ἐγὼ εἰμί (egō eimi), meaning "I am," which powerfully echoed the Hebrew name of God, Yahweh (YHWH), from Exodus 3:14 ("I AM WHO I AM," Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh). Jesus likely spoke Aramaic or Hebrew, but John recorded the declaration in Greek, with egō eimi directly referencing God's eternal nature and claiming divinity, prompting the Jews to try and stone Him for blasphemy.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:50am On Jan 02
Janosky:
The Trinitarians disingenious attempt to find support for their doctrine led them to make it seem as if Exodus 3:12,14 is similar to John 8:58 when in fact they are dissimilar.
Continue to lie to yourself.. If it was not the same thing jesus said.. Why then do they say he makes himself God almighty
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op):
sonmvayina:
I guess you are new to religion and spirituality.

No, no No, man is not a trinity.
body + spirit= soul. when the spirit enters the body it becomes a soul, a living soul. when it's numbers are up, the spirit returns to God who gave it and the body is buried for it to return to dust.
There never was any need for Jesus. The Romans/Greeks created him to control the masses and deceive them into believing in false hope.
God already gave the Jews a solution to the problem of sin, and it does not involve human sacrifice , confess and forsake I will forgive see 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Jesus is just a myth.
You are lost saying jesus don't exist

GOD said you have no hope so talking to you is just waste of time

GOD told us a xxxxxxx. Says God jesus don't exist
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op):
MaxInDHouse:
When a 33 year old youth claims he has been in existence before Abraham what do you think he meant?

Well he said that to prove he knows more than their great grandmother and means he is not a mere human which makes him a divine being (angel) that's why they got provoked o!🤣
You are truly lost
Only cult group say jesus is angel

Jw founder said many times when Jesus was going to come and he failed all the predictions

Bible shows us false teachers will arise and say jesus is going to come so and so time

Why did they not say we want to stone you for claiming angel
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op):
MaxInDHouse:
When a 33 year old youth claims he has been in existence before Abraham what do you think he meant?

Well he said that to prove he knows more than their great grandmother and means he is not a mere human which makes him a divine being (angel) that's why they got provoked o!🤣
So in revelation the 24, elders were worship angel jesus

And Thomas was worshipping angel jesus

You truly are lost


John 10:33 ►
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

New Living Translation
They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Why did they not say we want to stone you for claiming angel
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by sonmvayina(m): 10:01am On Jan 02
Kingsnairaland:
You are lost saying jesus don't exist

GOD said you have no hope so talking to you is just waste of time

GOD told us a xxxxxxx. Says God jesus don't exist
He was created by the Roman/Greeks. There is no evidence for Jesus in history. God was already forgiving sin before the Romans created him. there is no need for him.
God hates human sacrifice, so Jesus can't be from God. it is simple.
Follow God's commandments and live a righteous life.
when we die, our spirit returns to God and those alive just buries the body after some ceremonies. see Ecclesiastes 12:7.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:23am On Jan 02
sonmvayina:
He was created by the Roman/Greeks. There is no evidence for Jesus in history. God was already forgiving sin before the Romans created him. there is no need for him.
God hates human sacrifice, so Jesus can't be from God. it is simple.
Follow God's commandments and live a righteous life.
when we die, our spirit returns to God and those alive just buries the body after some ceremonies. see Ecclesiastes 12:7.
You are lost God told us people like you are going to come to say this things
Sorry you are lost

That Ecclesiastes also told you do you know the name of God's son
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10:
Kingsnairaland:
Brother it does matter if it was written in French or yoruba

Moses wanted to know the specific name of God and God proved to him he does not have any

GOD show him I AM

I AM WHO YOU WANT ME TO BE
I AM WHO I AM

SO WE NOW TAKE GOD name to be I AM

and when Jesus was asked who are you that you said David call you lord
Jesus even also said before Abraham I AM

THEN they wanted to kill him because they know he called himself God almighty
Oga....if you claim that Jesus said "I am" to mean he is God almighty in John 8:58, kindly tell us the Greek word for "I AM" in that verse so that we can compare it with the Greek septuagint of Exodus 3:14.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:32am On Jan 02
Kingsnairaland:
When you accept jesus immediately the holy spirit gives you eternal life because the holy spirit is the spirit of jesus...
But for you to have special powers you need to tell God to give you the holy spirit because the holy spirit is a special kind of gift he gives you ability to speak in tongues this is a powerful way to communicate with God
Is Adam's brain not part of his body?

So you're now saying again that it is not Jesus that gives eternal life, it is now the Holy Spirit after telling us that Jesus is the "live-giving spirit" from heaven?
Oga it seems that you are confused. Is it Jesus that Is the "life-giving Spirit" or it is the Holy spirit that is the "life-giving Spirit"?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 10:47am On Jan 02
Kingsnairaland:
Continue to lie to yourself.. If it was not the same thing jesus said.. Why then do they say he makes himself God almighty
The Jews did not say that.
Matt 26:63-65. John 5:18-19. John 19:7.
Oga,go & confirm this in your Bible.
Pls stop deceiving yourself.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 10:58am On Jan 02
Kingsnairaland:
You don't get how things work

Example
If God used yoruba and taiwo means twins
If God said my name is taiwo


Now let say jesus speaks English during his own time and jesus said my name is is twins.
It still the same thing

Stop thinking that Jesus must use that same taiwo before you accept




Expand your thinking God is vast

Even though jesus used that exact word God used to Moses..
In aramaic.. And John translated it to Greek ... that why they wanted to kill him

When Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58), the Greek words used were ἐγὼ εἰμί (egō eimi), meaning "I am," which powerfully echoed the Hebrew name of God, Yahweh (YHWH), from Exodus 3:14 ("I AM WHO I AM," Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh). Jesus likely spoke Aramaic or Hebrew, but John recorded the declaration in Greek, with egō eimi directly referencing God's eternal nature and claiming divinity, prompting the Jews to try and stone Him for blasphemy.
No Sir.
Your own AI screenshot says :
The Hebrews right word is "I WILL BE what I WILL BE" @ Exodus 3:12,14.
Use king James bible dictionary & confirm " I AM" is false.
See the KJV dictionary screenshot, "I Will BE" is correct.

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