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Leyqute:
If 2 out of 4 turns out good, we’ll be fine.

Instead, we buy 1, and heap pressure on them to turn good by force by fire.

Heard that Dorgu wasn’t fought to be an instant starter. Same with Lammens. But because we were so depleted in player resources , they had to be thrown into the deep end.

Why didn’t Shaw play today? If the reason for his absence is logical, why don’t we have another option for that position that is better than Dorgu? One injury to Shaw now and we’ll have to suffer at the hands of Dorgu.

When I saw Fletcher talking about the club DNA and how they want to look inwards, I just knew we're not leaving the trenches soon. Even city spend good money on players every year

Leyqute:
He’ll also tell him to “play the yoots.”

As if other teams are relying heavily on their academy to win games.

Can you bring up any post where I said we should play the yooots? Also, remind me how you guys were against signing expensive mercenaries and just buying players that will grow with the team. I remember when Utd was buying the big boys, you guys were saying we needed to build a squad with potentials. Now, we should revert to the mercenary model.

Chai, Una get plenty mouths for here o.

nitrogen:
I guess we take one and discard the other. Arsenal is performing because they have above average players not because Arteta seems to know how to make the squad work. Zubimendi and Rice are now superstars?

Will you take Zubimendi and Rice over Ugarte and Mainoo—yes or no?

Are they superstars?

What about Bruno Guimaraes and Sandro Tonali? Are they superstars?

eph12:
When I saw Fletcher talking about the club DNA and how they want to look inwards, I just knew we're not leaving the trenches soon. Even city spend good money on players every year

We’ll sign new managers but the tears will not go away. I give Nitrogen and his coven 3 weeks before they turn on the interim.

Leyqute:
Will you take Zubimendi and Rice over Ugarte and Mainoo—yes or no?

Are they superstars?

What about Bruno Guimaraes and Sandro Tonali? Are they superstars?

Well. Hindsight is great, we sabi Rice now. No Dey whine us for here. If Rice was here, he would have been another useless British player.

Rice and the players you mentioned are average players that are performing well because of their managers.

Meanwhile, should we go back to the mercenary model?

Leyqute:
We still need a midfielder pass all these ones wey you dey talk.

Arsenal had Rice and bought Zubimendi the next TW. This is in addition to Merino and Odegaard.

Chelsea bought Enzo and added Lavia and Caicedo the next year. Dem get 2 heads?

I don’t want to mention City who bought 2 GKs in a window. If na Man Utd buy that Trafford and it doesn’t look like it will work out, instead of buying Donnarumma, they will demand Pep to make magic with Trafford.

I never said a CM is not priority. I only pointed out another sore point that should be taken seriously, despite spending 62m to strengthen the same department barely 7 months ago

If you look at the antecedents on this thread, it appears our "needs" are dynamic and always changing

I remember when the general consensus here was that the addition of wingbacks was the immediate solution to Amorim's problems. How has that panned out? Was it not afterwards the talk changed to midfield?

Remember when Onana was pinpointed as the cause of the leaky defence. People swore that we would be keeping clean sheets once we sign a new goalkeeper. How are we travelling with that now?

Whoever it is that is in charge needs to assess the team holistically and properly before making decisions that should be devoid of sentimental opinions of fans.


Till then, the manager has to make the most out of the season - we can still have a decent finish

At this rate, our fans would only be happy if we swap squads with other performing teams every year.

Leyqute:
We still need a midfielder pass all these ones wey you dey talk.

Arsenal had Rice and bought Zubimendi the next TW. This is in addition to Merino and Odegaard.

Chelsea bought Enzo and added Lavia and Caicedo the next year. Dem get 2 heads?

I don’t want to mention City who bought 2 GKs in a window. If na Man Utd buy that Trafford and it doesn’t look like it will work out, instead of buying Donnarumma, they will demand Pep to make magic with Trafford.

Fire and hire will only work when you back it up with a quality squad.

God bless you for that City reference.

They noticed a dross signing and quickly replaced him before the window ended. That's a sign of a serious club.

odizeey:
God bless you for that City reference.

They noticed a dross signing and quickly replaced him before the window ended. That's a sign of a serious club.

Comparing us with CL teams that have UEFA money to spend?

Jamiuokolaa:
Comparing us with CL teams with UEFA money to spend?

We dey even try sef. We competitively sign players despite no major trophies and inconsistent UCL participations.

afrodoc2:
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But that is exactly what you just said. You said people should criticise the player before he is bought rather than criticising him after he has played for us.

It should concern you as a fan if the club replaces an average player with another average player. It should concern you as a fan if the club replaces a mediocre manager with another mediocre manager.

It tells you that we are not going to get better anytime soon.

Most of the players we buy are players who did well enough at their previous clubs that made it seem like a reasonable decision. The signing of Cunha and Mbeumo made a whole lot of sense back when they were brought in, a lot of fans felt it was a good decision seeing that we were getting good supporting cast with EPL experience. Cunha is not doing as well as we expected right now but that is down to the benefit of hindsight, you can't start questioning the board when it appeared the reasonable move to make at the time...In fact, it has been a recurring problem for sometime, we sign a good player and he gets here and struggles. As a manager (board), you can't keep changes players especially when we are not getting the cash that comes with playing in the UCL...The only option is to change the manager while sustaining reasonable investment in the team...

nitrogen:
Quick question for you? Is our squad worse than those of Wolves, Burnley and Nottingham Forest? Why are we not beating the small clubs?

We don't have that many players that are better than some of the players in these teams. I can easily list 5-7 of our players that are not all that. There's a reason why top teams want to have the best players possible in every position.

There's also the matter of mentality, fitness, strength and determination to fight for every ball and cover a lot of ground

StarchAndBanga:
Same Ugarte u been dey talk about for here or another one?



Same person way dey drag ETH for wanting to keep McTom instead of signing Ugarte don dey campaign for McTom being a better player than Ugarte

Hindsight is wonderful

Can you defend the notion that Ugarte is better than Fred?

nitrogen:
We dey even try sef. We competitively sign players despite no major trophies and inconsistent UCL participations.

With this porous midfield? Jehovah!

Leyqute:
He’ll also tell him to “play the yoots.”

As if other teams are relying heavily on their academy to win games.

Fletcher last interview, he was singing the song the owners will love to hear. How the United DNA is all about the academy and wanting to look inwards. I just laughed because he will be sacked very soon if he tries that as the manager

eph12:
We don't have that many players that are better than some of the players in these teams. I can easily list 5-7 of our players that are not all that. There's a reason why top teams want to have the best players possible in every position.

There's also the matter of mentality, fitness, strength and determination to fight for every ball and cover a lot of ground

So, are you saying that we won’t achieve anything with this set of players, even if we get a better manager?

Jamiuokolaa:
Comparing us with CL teams that have UEFA money to spend?

Don't bring this spending excuse here abeg. Aston Villa get money pass us? Check their activities this window.

Jamiuokolaa:
I never said a CM is not priority. I only pointed out another sore point that should be taken seriously, despite spending 62m to strengthen the same department barely 7 months ago

If you look at the antecedents on this thread, it appears our "needs" are dynamic and always changing

I remember when the general consensus here was that the addition of wingbacks was the immediate solution to Amorim's problems. How has that panned out? Was it not afterwards the talk changed to midfield?

Remember when Onana was pinpointed as the cause of the leaky defence. People swore that we would be keeping clean sheets once we sign a new goalkeeper. How are we travelling with that now?

Whoever it is that is in charge needs to assess the team holistically and properly before making decisions that should be devoid of sentimental opinions of fans.


Till then, the manager has to make the most out of the season - we can still have a decent finish

Who were the wingbacks added?

Jamiuokolaa:
I never said a CM is not priority. I only pointed out another sore point that should be taken seriously, despite spending 62m to strengthen the same department barely 7 months ago

If you look at the antecedents on this thread, it appears our "needs" are dynamic and always changing

I remember when the general consensus here was that the addition of wingbacks was the immediate solution to Amorim's problems. How has that panned out? Was it not afterwards the talk changed to midfield?

Remember when Onana was pinpointed as the cause of the leaky defence. People swore that we would be keeping clean sheets once we sign a new goalkeeper. How are we travelling with that now?

Whoever it is that is in charge needs to assess the team holistically and properly before making decisions that should be devoid of sentimental opinions of fans.


Till then, the manager has to make the most out of the season - we can still have a decent finish

I think we can even still manage Cunha, Mount or whoever on the wings. You see that midfield, it’s one of the most important departments in football. Yet we only have a couple of troublesome options there. Mainoo, Ugarte, and Casemiro.

None of these guys should be a starter for Man United right now. Two of them were in the starting XI today and the third one came on to “rescue” the game with his weak legs.

We are not ready at all.

odizeey:
Don't bring this spending excuse here abeg. Aston Villa get money pass us? Check their activities this window.

You tell us how much we have spent compared to Aston Villa in the last 2 years

Leyqute:
With this porous midfield? Jehovah!

Have we spent over the years or not?

nitrogen:
So, are you saying that we won’t achieve anything with this set of players, even if we get a better manager?

What's your definition of anything? What's your minimum expectation?

Jamiuokolaa:
You tell us how much we have spent compared to Aston Villa in the last 2 years

Then why are you acting like the club is broke?

eph12:
What's your definition of anything? What's your minimum expectation?

Top 4-6 this season, same next season and one of the cups.

eph12:
Fletcher last interview, he was singing the song the owners will love to hear. How the United DNA is all about the academy and wanting to look inwards. I just laughed because he will be sacked very soon if he tries that as the manager

That one na yes man now. That’s what he’s expected to say.

Meanwhile, transfer window will soon close and we won’t strengthen that midfield in any manner this January.

Leyqute:
I think we can even still manage Cunha, Mount or whoever on the wings. You see that midfield, it’s one of the most important departments in football. Yet we only have a couple of troublesome options there. Mainoo, Ugarte, and Casemiro.

None of these guys should be a starter for Man United right now. Two of them were in the starting XI today and the third one came on to “rescue” the game with his weak legs.

We are not ready at all.

Just one injury or loss of form to Mbuemo/Amad and the story would change to how Cunha has been shyte since we bought him yet the board did nothing.

How Mount has spent more time in the hospital yet we stuck with him

No be this thread again? Na today?

odizeey:
Can you defend the notion that Ugarte is better than Fred?

Same Ugarte u been dey talk about for here or another one? ?

odizeey:
Now we are hearing the man wanted to keep McTomminay and was against Ugarte. 😀

Na that kind person Una dey expect something from.

Same person way dey drag ETH for wanting to keep McTom instead of signing Ugarte don dey campaign for McTom being a better player than Ugarte

Hindsight is wonderful

nitrogen:
Have we spent over the years or not?

Have you plugged the hole in midfield since SAF left?

eph12:
Walai it's true but no need to dwell on that.

We could get a win or a draw and everyone will think we're back. Then we lose or draw the next small team we face. That's why I'm never particular or interested in the results against big teams. They don't tell the true story. I'll know we're back when we start destroying the smaller teams

The day this starts happening consistently home or away is the day we become a consistent top 4 team again and not all that "we thank God we beat Liverpool games". To challenge for league from there will be a matter of 1 or 2 key signings.

But no matter who the manager is, that's never going to happen when we are still parading Dalot, Dorgu, Shaw, Ugarte and co

Jamiuokolaa:
Just one injury or loss of form to Mbuemo/Amad and the story would change to how Cunha has been shyte since we bought him yet the board did nothing.

How Mount has spent more time in the hospital yet we stuck with him

No be this thread again? Na today?

We need reinforcements on the wings as well but at this moment the midfield is more important. It’s astounding how that point flew over your head.

patrickmuf:
Most of the players we buy are players who did well enough at their previous clubs that made it seem like a reasonable decision. The signing of Cunha and Mbeumo made a whole lot of sense back when they were brought in, a lot of fans felt it was a good decision seeing that we were getting good supporting cast with EPL experience. Cunha is not doing as well as we expected right now but that is down to the benefit of hindsight, you can't start questioning the board when it appeared the reasonable move to make at the time...In fact, it has been a recurring problem for sometime, we sign a good player and he gets here and struggles. As a manager (board), you can't keep changes players especially when we are not getting the cash that comes with playing in the UCL...The only option is to change the manager while sustaining reasonable investment in the team...

Changing the manager is one of the things to do.

Another thing to do is improving our scouting, player identification and general assessment of players.

The scouting of some of these average players might make a lot of sense to a fan who has his own job to do but watches Man United weekly and checks YouTube highlights of a player or watches the player a couple of times a season. Very importantly, it is not the fan’s duty to assess the player.

When we keep buying players that appear not good enough then it is reasonable to ask for more from the staff members whose job it is to study and analyse these players for days, weeks, months before we decide to buy them and the staff whose job it is to approve the deals.

I don’t get what you don’t understand about us improving our assessment of players in addition to changing underperforming managers. We can do both at the same time. It is not an either or issue.

StarchAndBanga:
Same Ugarte u been dey talk about for here or another one? ?



Same person way dey drag ETH for wanting to keep McTom instead of signing Ugarte don dey campaign for McTom being a better player than Ugarte

Hindsight is wonderful

Is Ugarte better than Fred?

If you can't answer, then please don't mention me again because I won't bother answering you anymore