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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 7:40pm On Jan 17
eph12:
I think Casemiro contract ends this season. Ugarte may be sold too. We will need 2 new midfielders. Dalot should not be first choice next season so yes we need a full back.

As for wingers, is it certain Barca will pay for Rashford? We also have Lacey. Ineos may not want to spend a lot. So maybe Lacey will just be promoted fully to the senior team
Rashford ship has sailed abeg. Let everybody involved move on from that relationship.

I don't think we should sell Ugarte just yet. We can keep him for another year as 4th choice CM for squad depth.

I'll prefer we sell Dalot but I can live with him eating bench
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7:
larride:
There's nothing as sweet as a derby win.
Beating Liverpool is as sweet.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:13pm On Jan 17
Leyqute:
Even so, he should be a squad option at most. We still need a winger for the left side. Rashford is a no-no. Barca should pay up. That chapter is closed.
It will be interesting to see ineos transfer decisions in the summer. I'm not convinced they'll want to spend that much unless we make good sales
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:13pm On Jan 17
larride:
There's nothing as sweet as a derby win.
They said you were sad
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:14pm On Jan 17
Lana1:
Rashford ship has sailed abeg. Let everybody involved move on from that relationship.

I don't think we should sell Ugarte just yet. We can keep him for another year as 4th choice CM for squad depth.

I'll prefer we sell Dalot but I can live with him eating bench
We need to give that space to someone like Kone. He's better of sold if he's going to be 4th choice
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jamiuokolaa: 8:59pm On Jan 17
cool

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 9:22pm On Jan 17
chrisley024:
Dorgu! cool
Where's Mrviktor huh
Kudos to him.

He should be a converted winger

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 5:58am On Jan 18
It could have been a different story if dalot was shown a red card that early in the game.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 7:42am On Jan 18
I can see amorim at Tottenham
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 7:43am On Jan 18
We need to use that nothinham forest temple versus arsenal
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 7:58am On Jan 18
MRTA7:
Beating Liverpool is as sweet.
Absolutely especially at A field.

Beating Arsenal will be the cherry on the cake
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 7:59am On Jan 18
eph12:
They said you were sad
Why will I be sad that the team I support win. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 8:00am On Jan 18
Mrviktor:
We need to use that nothinham forest temple versus arsenal
We are going to the Emirates
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jamiuokolaa: 8:24am On Jan 18
Mrviktor:
I can see amorim at Tottenham
Lol

Not sure his reputation is too good at the moment

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:25am On Jan 18
They have still not shown the VAR images of that Mount goal that was ruled offside.
PGMOL should fear God o.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by maik99(m): 8:57am On Jan 18
Lana1:
Rashford ship has sailed abeg. Let everybody involved move on from that relationship.

I don't think we should sell Ugarte just yet. We can keep him for another year as 4th choice CM for squad depth.

I'll prefer we sell Dalot but I can live with him eating bench
You people amaze me mehn
Why exactly should Ugarte and Dalot not be sold
Don't you get tired of watching dross?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by akwesenana: 9:29am On Jan 18
Jamiuokolaa:
Lol

Not sure his reputation is too good at the moment
Amorim is bad. I see delulus saying he's going to replace Pep at shitty. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:41am On Jan 18
eph12:
The return of Maguire and Martinez has helped a lot. We used to have Yoro and Heaven as our CBs.
No, we used to have a dysfunctional setup. How many times did Maguire and Martinez face the kind of pressure we used to face under Amorim's setup?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:13am On Jan 18
Now the dust has settled, let me drop my take on the performance yesterday.

1. The players were only 30% of the problem, the bulk of it was the dysfunctional setup deployed by Amorim. In a 4-3-3 formation, there are a lot of bodies in the middle, so it is difficult for the opposition to play through the middle. Yesterday, with Bruno (He surprisingly stuck to his position), Mainoo and Casemiro, we had control in the midfield and enough bodies to stop City from attacking us through the middle. This alone meant that the defence was not left exposed as was the case with Amorim's 3-4-2-1 (3-4-3) formation. In Amorim's setup, the 3 CBs were left exposed for the most part, which is suicidal at this level, but in the 4-3-3 setup, we were more proactive than reactive; we stopped a lot of attacks before they got to our box.

2. Bruno, as the most advanced of our midfielders, ensured that the ball kept moving with quick passes and constant movement. He showed us what we have been missing by playing him in a 2-man midfield.

3. We need a LWF. I admit Dorgu had an above-average game, but we need more at this level. Amad on the right ensured Ake and, later on, O'Riley were on their toes for the entirety of the game with his direct runs and dribbles.
When Cunha came on, he looked even more effective playing from the right even though he might prefer playing from the left. If Cunha were on the left, he would look to cut in and shoot rather than drive to the byline and cross. I hope we can get a LWF forward in the summer.

4. Casemiro is irreplaceable at the moment. Age might have caught up with the combative Brazilian, but his experience and passing are indispensable. For someone renowned for his tackling, Casemiro's ability to play a one-time pass is often not talked about as much as it should. He is a calming presence in our midfield, one that we must replace with a player of similar attributes come the summer.

5. Mainoo is not as bad as we thought he had become. I thought he complemented Casemiro very well yesterday with some very good movement and short passing. If Carrick can get the best out of Mainoo, it will do the club a lot of good...

I don't want to talk about Martinez and his ball-playing abilities, as I think it's already common knowledge.

In the whole, we looked much better in a 4-3-3 setup, which seems like the formation that's best suited for the majority of players in our setup.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 10:13am On Jan 18
patrickmuf:
No, we used to have a dysfunctional setup. How many times did Maguire and Martinez face the kind of pressure we used to face under Amorim's setup?
Of all the sins of Amorim his cardinal sin was playing his 3-4-3 which requires a 2-man midfield when NONE of our midfielders is suited to 2-man midfield. That was what made his set up dysfunctional and that was what led to our defence being under so much pressure.

Asking 2 men who can't do the job of 2 men to do the job of 3 men.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:17am On Jan 18
afrodoc2:
Of all the sins of Amorim his cardinal sin was playing his 3-4-3 which requires a 2-man midfield when NONE of our midfielders is suited to 2-man midfield. That was what made his set up dysfunctional and that was what led to our defence being under so much pressure.

Asking 2 men who can't do the job of 2 men to do the job of 3 men.
Exactly.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CrystalTiger(m): 10:17am On Jan 18
patrickmuf:
No, we used to have a dysfunctional setup. How many times did Maguire and Martinez face the kind of pressure we used to face under Amorim's setup?
Good football for the most part is very simple to the eyes.. Allow players do what they're good at and not these unnecessary tactical nonsense..

Every player on the pitch yesterday was for the most part in his comfort zone which helped them defend together and attack together..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 10:24am On Jan 18
But then you have to question the wisdom of the top guys who went for a strict 3-4-3 coach in the first place.

Fingers have been pointing at Berrada as the person who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth didn't want him because of the formation issue but that one wanted Southgate. Wilcox also didn't want Amorim because of the formation issue.

I think Amorim's sack is linked to Wilcox finally getting control over football matters above Berrada.

The formation is only part of the problem though. All our struggles pre-Amorim came in a back 4 formation. Wilcox and Vivell have to work hard at improving the squad and appointing a quality head coach.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:27am On Jan 18
CrystalTiger:
Good football for the most part is very simple to the eyes.. Allow players do what they're good at and not these unnecessary tactical nonsense..

Every player on the pitch yesterday was for the most part in his comfort zone which helped them defend together and attack together..
As simple as ABC. Play to the strength of your PLAYERS, and do not overcomplicate things.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by akwesenana: 10:27am On Jan 18
afrodoc2:
But then you have to question the wisdom of the top guys who went for a strict 3-4-3 coach in the first place.

Fingers have been pointing at Berrada as the person who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth didn't want him because of the formation issue but that one wanted Southgate. Wilcox also didn't want Amorim because of the formation issue.

I think Amorim's sack is linked to Wilcox finally getting control over football matters above Berrada.

The formation is only part of the problem though. All our struggles pre-Amorim came in a back 4 formation. Wilcox and Vivell have to work hard at improving the squad and appointing a quality head coach.
Do you think he'd have been sacked if he didn't make that outburst after the Leeds game?
Personally I think it's not yet Uhuru as those guys up there look clueless.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:31am On Jan 18
afrodoc2:
But then you have to question the wisdom of the top guys who went for a strict 3-4-3 coach in the first place.

Fingers have been pointing at Berrada as the person who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth didn't want him because of the formation issue but that one wanted Southgate. Wilcox also didn't want Amorim because of the formation issue.

I think Amorim's sack is linked to Wilcox finally getting control over football matters above Berrada.

The formation is only part of the problem though. All our struggles pre-Amorim came in a back 4 formation. Wilcox and Vivell have to work hard at improving the squad and appointing a quality head coach.
Amorim has shown he is a terrible manager with the poor job he did at Leverkusen...One think I noted yesterday was the fact that Bruno was not all over the place like was the case in Erik Bin Laden's era, he was posionally disciplined, and it help us contain City in the middle of the park...Pep had to sub Foden after the first half for Cherki who was also subdued.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 10:44am On Jan 18
afrodoc2:
They have still not shown the VAR images of that Mount goal that was ruled offside.
PGMOL should fear God o.
I think but not sure that they only checked the offside against Ake but they should have checked against Rodri as well who looked like he was further behind.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 10:44am On Jan 18
Jamiuokolaa:
Lol

Not sure his reputation is too good at the moment
Conte also abused Tottenham
So I don't think they care about him
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 10:46am On Jan 18
afrodoc2:
But then you have to question the wisdom of the top guys who went for a strict 3-4-3 coach in the first place.

Fingers have been pointing at Berrada as the person who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth didn't want him because of the formation issue but that one wanted Southgate. Wilcox also didn't want Amorim because of the formation issue.

I think Amorim's sack is linked to Wilcox finally getting control over football matters above Berrada.

The formation is only part of the problem though. All our struggles pre-Amorim came in a back 4 formation. Wilcox and Vivell have to work hard at improving the squad and appointing a quality head coach.
Either Berrada or Wilcox or both needs to be sacked at the end of the season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by engrelvis(m): 10:48am On Jan 18
Besides good tactical formation by Carrick the energy n determination ( which I didn't often see in Amorim tenure) was there.They wanted that win but can they sustain that same energy in other matches?.Tbh Amorim left us much better than when he met us .He bought good players . Arrogancy n rigidity is what finish him
As for Mainoo let us pray this positive ascendency continues
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by OneDollarSalary(m): 10:59am On Jan 18
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:11am On Jan 18
patrickmuf:
Amorim has shown he is a terrible manager with the poor job he did at Leverkusen...One think I noted yesterday was the fact that Bruno was not all over the place like was the case in Erik Bin Laden's era, he was posionally disciplined, and it help us contain City in the middle of the park...Pep had to sub Foden after the first half for Cherki who was also subdued.
No matter what happens going forward one can't take away the fact that it was a coaching masterclass. Let's pray for more of such for the rest of the season. They said Carrick and McKenna were the ones who did the coaching during Ole's tenure.

Talking about the City players, so many of them ghosted the game. Haaland and Foden had no impact. Semenyo did nothing all game (Pep has to move him to the left).

Another quiet ghost was Rodri who i suspect is terminally finished. That knee injury seems to have wrecked him. The only Ballon d'Or level player on that pitch was Ballon Dorgu. grin
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