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On a more serious note, Trump admin is damaging alliances that have lasted for 8 decades plus because of over excited wannabe Technofeudalists pushing him.

When Canada + Europe looks internally and among themselves, and pivot away from the United States

It is then that the country will know what they did to themselves

Voting a riff raff as president was the WORST THING they did

RodgersAkpafu:
On a more serious note, Trump admin is damaging alliances that have lasted for 8 decades plus because of over excited wannabe Technofeudalists pushing him.

When Canada + Europe looks internally and among themselves, and pivot away from the United States

It is then that the country will know what they did to themselves

Voting a riff raff as president was the WORST THING they did

Pension funds et al from the UK that are exposed to American markets should do some serious introspection and fashion a pivot plan, because if the Trump showdown with the feds really continue like this, that credibility America 🇺🇸 has been cashing in on will suffer serious impairments

These are interesting and dangerous times

Goodenoch:
https://www.nairaland.com/8601162/trump-slaps-sanctions-tarrifs-nato

Chai - China is at it again o

He is totally out of control now, midterm election may never happen the way he is going.

The UK and EU need some backbone to stand up to this lunatic, The American economy is in bad shape already...so what are they waiting for?

RodgersAkpafu:
Pension funds et al from the UK that are exposed to American markets should do some serious introspection and fashion a pivot plan, because if the Trump showdown with the feds really continue like this, that credibility America 🇺🇸 has been cashing in on will suffer serious impairments

These are interesting and dangerous times

...and if the supreme court rules against his tariffs then the economy will be on a free fall.

Folks should keep some money aside because the stock market will go off the roof

justwise:
...and if the supreme court rules against his tariffs then the economy will be on a free fall.

Folks should keep some money aside because the stock market will go off the roof

Trouble is brewing

justwise:
He is totally out of control now, midterm election may never happen the way he is going.

The UK and EU need some backbone to stand up to this lunatic, The American economy is in bad shape already...so what are they waiting for?

Many are speculating that that's his game plan- to derail the midterms using unrests like Minnesota and other factors.

It's difficult to suddenly detach ourselves from America's teat after we've been so heavily reliant on them for decades. KS et al will be hoping for the US Supreme Court to reign in Trump's executive power to impose tariffs, not least because of the damage it is inflicting on the American people. The ruling should prevent the 25% tariffs from coming into effect in June, even if we can't avoid the 10% from Feb.

The silver lining in all of this brouhaha is that the UK and EU hopefully get a colossal wake up call to start investing in our own defence systems instead of relying on our "big bro". The UK in particular -our army is about a third the size of France's 🫠

justwise:
He is totally out of control now, midterm election may never happen the way he is going.

The UK and EU need some backbone to stand up to this lunatic, The American economy is in bad shape already...so what are they waiting for?

They are waiting to grow balls

On their own, what does the EU have without Russia who they have lumped in with China? Hell, they could not even fight Russia without support from the US which is why Trump has the temerity to hurl insults at EU leaders without fear of repercussion.

Decades of overreliance on the US, following them to fight perceived US enemies without forging their own paths leaves them more like wet wipes with very little relevance and ability to stand up to the US.

justwise:
...and if the supreme court rules against his tariffs then the economy will be on a free fall.

Folks should keep some money aside because the stock market will go off the roof

A friend told me last week that we underestimate the global power of the average American voter, omo we never see anything yet

Zahra29:
Many are speculating that that's his game plan- to derail the midterms using unrests like Minnesota and other factors.

It's difficult to suddenly detach ourselves from America's teat after we've been so heavily reliant on them for decades. KS et al will be hoping for the US Supreme Court to reign in Trump's executive power to impose tariffs, not least because of the damage it is inflicting on the American people. The ruling should prevent the 25% tariffs from coming into effect in June, even if we can't avoid the 10% from Feb.

The silver lining in all of this brouhaha is that the UK and EU hopefully get a colossal wake up call to start investing in our own defence systems instead of relying on our "big bro". The UK in particular -our army is about a third the size of France's 🫠

At the start of the Bretton Woods order
American and European partners were "partners" in every sense of the word

It was cover my arse and I cover yours and every administration on both sides of the Atlantic understood this, until cowboys, and wanna be machos took over the white house

And to be fair, ill say in my own view, that America has even been more reliant on Europe than vice versa, but that is an argument for another post

This damaged relationship between Washington and London, Paris et al will have ramifications for decades to come

Zahra29:
Many are speculating that that's his game plan- to derail the midterms using unrests like Minnesota and other factors.

It's difficult to suddenly detach ourselves from America's teat after we've been so heavily reliant on them for decades. KS et al will be hoping for the US Supreme Court to reign in Trump's executive power to impose tariffs, not least because of the damage it is inflicting on the American people. The ruling should prevent the 25% tariffs from coming into effect in June, even if we can't avoid the 10% from Feb.

The silver lining in all of this brouhaha is that the UK and EU hopefully get a colossal wake up call to start investing in our own defence systems instead of relying on our "big bro". The UK in particular -our army is about a third the size of France's 🫠

That is his game plan and he will do anything to make sure the midterm election is derailed.
If the democrat takes over both houses after midterm that Trump and all his bootlickers are toast and they know this.

The UK and EU are just full of it, if they put their heads together Trump will not do much for too long, tariffs as a weapon will hit everyone not just the UK and EU, Trump will not be in office for life, health wise he is getting worst day by day

Another Tory defected to Reform UK. Andrew Rosindell resigned from the Conservative Party and defected to Reform UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98jn1wywdyo

4ever1:
Good morning
Pls I need hacks on applying for jobs on nhs , a step by step guidelines

What job/role?

Would you need a visa?

Goodenoch:
No o please educate me and other average Nigerians who don't know of these henious WTO violations perpetrated by China that the US and its vassals are so very innocent of.

From what little I know (sorry if it's innacurate; you know some of us just “ran masters package”, so we might not be as up-to-date as an elite immigrant like you), China isn't the (only?) one that has weaponized sanctions on countries they disagree with politically, slapped arbitrary tarrifs on a range of countries, threatened countries that want to shift away from dependency on the 'mighty dollar', invaded countries to steal their oil, sanctioned and locked out representatives of global institutions for daring to criticize its BigTech companies, used OFAC and the SWIFT system to strong-arm financial institutions worldwide, paralysed the WTO Appellate Body since 2017 when rulings went against it, pulled out of a variety of 'green' treaties while preaching sustainability AKA deindustrialisation to African countries, imposed export bans on critical technologies, using subsidies to enable their companies to engage in rampant food dumping in Africa; resulting in the collapse of poultry, milk and rice value chains in various countries, ati be be lo.

And this is just economic stuff o, not national security and military violations. But China is the boogeyman because they make things cheaply.

It's becoming a tired narrative now. Hidden behind this 'warning' is the assumption that Africans/Caribbeans can't think for themselves.
The Prime minister of Barbados - Mia Motley put it nicely when a BBC reporter kept warning about China.

Not surprising that when you ask why - silence follows thru


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4sJqR2VNPA

Cyberknight:
At the bolded, no, that's not the case. Give some credit to both sides of your ancestral regions here. Everyone knows that the Chinese are just another bunch of sharks out to prey upon the weak, but since we live in shark-infested waters and have no defences we are simply resigned to being prey. There's a conversation to be had about that resignation and how we ended up in that role, but not regarding where African and Caribbean countries are.

Waiting with bated breath to see what's eventually decided regarding the Chinese super embassy. I have the feeling that Starmer will sign it off, probably just to show that there'll be no more U-turning. While I really wish Labour and Starmer will succeed, I have to say that it's not looking good for them with all the reversals of policy. The ID one annoyed me in particular as it was spectacularly ill-thought-through from the beginning. It's generally the case (not just here but also in other developed countries that attract immigrants) that the general [British] public are usually massively uninformed about how the immigration system works. Many people believe that legal immigrants can claim benefits for instance. They have no idea how much people have to pay for visas and so forth and generally tend to believe the narratives they read in the papers. It generally seems that it's only those who've got friends or family members who have to engage with the immigration system have some or very good knowledge of how it works.

Labour's ID plan felt this way. You get the impression that the people making policy don't actually know how their own immigration system works either. One would think that the government, who runs the eVisa system, would know that legal immigrants already have digital ID so introducing digital ID for the whole country to combat illegal working would be pointless, and isn't a good reason to advance for wanting to do so. You wonder where their Sir Humphreys are doing (if indeed any still remain) - why is no-one getting rid of these ideas before they are announced as policy in the first place?

I'd differ on the bolded. The constant warning from the West that China is not 'father christmas' is not meant to help but to scaremonger. Why do they care? It seems most westerners are incapable of imagining an association between African nations and others that benefits both parties. It says alot about how parasitic our relationship with the west has been.

For the very first time in over 300 yrs, we live in a world where there are now true options - wealth and progress is no longer beholden to one source/narrative. Competition is usually a good thing moreso at a time when many western economies have stalled and are now struggling to fund their opulence. I don't need to caveat that there's no free lunch anywhere. It's for Africa to make good use of the current trend.

For the very first time, there's been a conversation about China without the usual trope asking 'but why are you not in China'? It was this narrative that led me to keep saying our presence in the west is not cos we're wanted but because we're needed.
Narratives here have seemingly matured.

Still on China- this is huge. ( https://www.nairaland.com/8601905/china-names-24.5-billion-ogidigben ). Imagine the number of high quality jobs and local wealth this would create

While it'd be good to know the terms, I'd much rather we receive such infrastructure-dedicated loans than billions more from the worldbank, IMF or via eurobonds for catch phrases like 'millennium development goals', 'economic resilience' e.t.c

Finally, some screnshots on the state of our foreign loans and interest we pay. Notice the large hitters? Interesting that despite how low China ranks, their loans have generated the most narrative while still being the most tangible.

jedisco:
It's becoming a tired narrative now. Hidden behind this 'warning' is the assumption that Africans/Caribbeans can't think for themselves.
The Prime minister of Barbados - Mia Motley put it nicely when a BBC reporter kept warning about China.

Not surprising that when you ask why - silence follows thru


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4sJqR2VNPA

Thank you for this. I had seen it before but forgot about it.

Zahra29 - watch this; it’s a direct response to your claim that "African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..."

Goodenoch:
Thank you for this. I had seen it before but forgot about it.

Zahra29 - watch this; it’s a direct response to your claim that "African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..."

I've watched it.

My view remains the same, although I also agree with Cyberknight's rather sobering assessment that many of these countries may recognise that they are being used by China but may also feel that they don't have m(any) options.

Once again, the question is not whether or not to do business with China. Of course one should. The concern is to what degree. If you know anyone who was born in the Caribbean e.g. Jamaica, or has lived there for decades, ask them about the scale of China's operations over the last decade and the impact it has had/is having on the locals.

I have deliberately not spoken much about China's involvement in other countries as it's not really my business - they are free to do/trade as they please. My main concern is my own country and hoping that my government does not become complacent (and in some cases - stops being complacent) in its dealings with China. I was encouraged to see the protests over the weekend over the proposed super embassy plans - I can only hope that KS et co listen and U-turn again.

Zahra29:
I've watched it.

My view remains the same, although I also agree with Cyberknight's rather sobering assessment that many of these countries may recognise that they are being used by China but may also feel that they don't have m(any) options.

Once again, the question is not whether or not to do business with China. Of course one should. The concern is to what degree. If you know anyone who was born in the Caribbean e.g. Jamaica, or has lived there for decades, ask them about the scale of China's operations over the last decade and the impact it has had/is having on the locals.

I have deliberately not spoken much about China's involvement in other countries as it's not really my business - they are free to do/trade as they please. My main concern is my own country and hoping that my government does not become complacent (and in some cases - stops being complacent) in its dealings with China. I was encouraged to see the protests over the weekend over the proposed super embassy plans - I can only hope that KS et co listen and U-turn again.

Oh? Could have fooled me with your comment that "many African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..." and your endorsement of the post you were responding to.

One might have thought that such a definitive comment reflected a feeling that you had a real basis to be commenting on the subject, but thanks for clarifying that it was actually baseless.

jedisco:
What job/role?

Would you need a visa?

I am a student

Every day I wonder anew about how people with primary school level education and above ended up voting for or supporting this man-child: https://apple.news/AdjNbEJQ3TD-lP7znf1SfpA

Goodenoch:
Oh? Could have fooled me with your comment that "many African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..." and your endorsement of the post you were responding to.

One might have thought that such a definitive comment reflected a feeling that you [b]had a real basis to be commenting on the subject, [/b]but thanks for clarifying that it was actually baseless.

Lol @ you attacking my one sentence response to a post while choosing to ignore the original post that was longer and more critical. If you are so pressed about China being viewed through a cautious/negative lens, why not engage with that post?

My view remains the same. I have some family in the Caribbean so I have "real basis" for this view, at the same time my main concern is my own home and the complacency of my own government. Let me know if you need help understanding this 😊

Zahra29:
Lol @ you attacking my one sentence response to a post while choosing to ignore the original post that was longer and more critical. If you are so pressed about China being viewed through a cautious/negative lens, why not engage with that post?

My view remains the same. I have some family in the Caribbean so I have "real basis" for this view, at the same time my main concern is my own home and the complacency of my own government. Let me know if you need help understanding this 😊

I couldn’t possibly care less about China being viewed with any kind of lens.

I am African and my sole concern (as I told you earlier) is the dismissive way you claimed African and Caribbean countries are short-sighted and complacent just because they don’t continue to parrot and follow Western diktats about China being the enemy while the same West is cosying up to China to benefit from its financial muscle. It’s the same sort of condescending behavior the prime minister of Barbados pointed out - and usually grounded in ignorance as she also highlighted.

The UK was recently celebrating its trade talks with China (not even a deal o ), Canada was there just last week or so for the same purpose and even over in the US Mr TACO caved in to reality when faced with the consequences of his trade war.

It’s not China that has the UK scrambling with the PM stumbling over his words like a schoolboy ‘toasting’ a girl for the first time, but you still feel comfortable dismissing entire swathes of Africa as being “complacent and short-sighted” for keeping their options open in a way that perhaps if the UK and Europe had done they’d be in a better position today instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’.

Goodenoch:
Every day I wonder anew about how people with primary school level education and above ended up voting for or supporting this man-child: https://apple.news/AdjNbEJQ3TD-lP7znf1SfpA

start from this thread...some here will stay something like... i like some of his policies but they can't name one sensible policy from this buffoon. You knowingly voted a criminal into power and he is openly engaging in criminal activities and people are acting surprise?

Goodenoch:
I couldn’t possibly care less about China being viewed with any kind of lens.

I am African and my sole concern (as I told you earlier) is the dismissive way you claimed African and Caribbean countries are short-sighted and complacent j[b]ust because they don’t continue to parrot and follow Western diktats about China being the enemy while the same West is cosying up to China to benefit from its financial muscle. It’s the same sort of condescending behavior the prime minister of Barbados pointed out - and usually grounded in ignorance as she also highlighted[/b].

The UK was recently celebrating its trade talks with China (not even a deal o ), Canada was there just last week or so for the same purpose and even over in the US Mr TACO caved in to reality when faced with the consequences of his trade war.

It’s not China that has the UK scrambling with the PM stumbling over his words like a schoolboy ‘toasting’ a girl for the first time, but you still feel comfortable dismissing entire swathes of Africa as being “complacent and short-sighted” for keeping their options open in a way that perhaps if the UK and Europe had done they’d be in a better position today instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’.

The bolded is another work of your imagination. I have also said that the UK has at times been complacent in its dealings with China, case in point the super embassy issue, so my criticism isn't reserved for Africa or the Caribbean - in fact I have been far more vocal and critical about the UK government - which an objective reader can clearly see.

Yet another instalment of "The Z Rants of Good/Bad Enoch" - I'm sure your supporters will lap it up so "ride on"

>> "instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’. "

You mean like Trump effectively banning citizens of certain countries from even entering or settling in the US?

Zahra29:
The bolded is another work of your imagination. I have also said that the UK has at times been complacent in its dealings with China, case in point the super embassy issue, so my criticism isn't reserved for Africa or the Caribbean - in fact I have been far more vocal and critical about the UK government - which an objective reader can clearly see.

Yet another instalment of "The Z Rants of Good/Bad Enoch" - I'm sure your supporters will lap it up so "ride on"

>> "instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’. "

You mean like Trump effectively banning citizens of certain countries from even entering or settling in the US?

Yes, exactly. Difference is those countries didn’t think they had a “special relationship” with a peer power so they aren’t acting shocked at the realization that they’ve been nothing but vassals all this while 😉

Goodenoch:
Yes, exactly. Difference is those countries didn’t think they had a “special relationship” with a peer power so they aren’t acting shocked at the realization that they’ve been nothing but vassals all this while 😉

Erm, I can assure you that several countries are still recovering from the huge SHOCK at being included in the US visa ban.

Some countries are used to being blocked lol, others have hitherto enjoyed special/easy access to the US....until Trump.

The reality is that in this Trump era, every country will "collect" something, ally or not, as Trump is loyal above all to Trump, the US and money. The difference is the degree of action, humiliation or threats.

Picture taken by me yesterday ... Whenever you wake up is your own good morning

You can choose to continue speaking fancy English while following your "ally" who threatens to annex you based on vibes and inshallah or forge your own path that will benefit your people.

The choice is up to you .

Zahra29:
The reality is that in this Trump era, every country will "collect" something, ally or not, as Trump is loyal above all to Trump, the US and money. The difference is the degree of action, humiliation or threats.

... And what if someone cut from the same coat as Trump emerges and rules for another 8 years making a total of 16 years of ass licking and waiting for someone reasonable to take over? JD Vance? Someone worse? What gives?

At what point does the EU / UK / NATO start to invest in their own weapons/ weapon systems, data centres and infra and stop licking the ass of the US? When another world war sponsored by their ally happens?

Abi na only me dey look future or from another angle?

HustlaOfLagos:
... And what if someone cut from the same coat as Trump emerges and rules for another 8 years making a total of 16 years of ass licking and waiting for someone reasonable to take over? JD Vance? Someone worse? What gives?

At what point does the EU / UK / NATO start to invest in their own weapons/ weapon systems, data centres and infra and stop licking the ass of the US? When another world war sponsored by their ally happens?

Abi na only me dey look future or from another angle?

Me I want Trump to have a 3rd term o or jd Vance takes over so everyone will learn by force what life is really like under a far right govt! 😂make everywhere blur gan! That’s when sense will finally return to everyone!

Goke7:
Me I want Trump to have a 3rd term o or jd Vance takes over so everyone will learn by force what life is really like under a far right govt! 😂make everywhere blur gan! That’s when sense will finally return to everyone!

It's actually weird when you think about it.

I am not against collaborating with an ally but blindly following them when you dont have your own stuff is just plain stupid. It makes you susceptible to all manner of fipa which is exactly what we are seeing now

Zahra29:
Erm, I can assure you that several countries are still recovering from the huge SHOCK at being included in the US visa ban.

Some countries are used to being blocked lol, others have hitherto enjoyed special/easy access to the US....until Trump.

The reality is that in this Trump era, every country will "collect" something, ally or not, as Trump is loyal above all to Trump, the US and money. The difference is the degree of action, humiliation or threats.

I have to agree with you in totality

I just watched the Canadian PM address the country not too long ago

The message is clear
Canada 🇨🇦 has since pivoted from the United States
And his delivery i must say, was powerful

Goodenoch:
No o please educate me and other average Nigerians who don't know of these henious WTO violations perpetrated by China that the US and its vassals are so very innocent of.

From what little I know (sorry if it's innacurate; you know some of us just “ran masters package”, so we might not be as up-to-date as an elite immigrant like you), China isn't the (only?) one that has weaponized sanctions on countries they disagree with politically, slapped arbitrary tarrifs on a range of countries, threatened countries that want to shift away from dependency on the 'mighty dollar', invaded countries to steal their oil, sanctioned and locked out representatives of global institutions for daring to criticize its BigTech companies, used OFAC and the SWIFT system to strong-arm financial institutions worldwide, paralysed the WTO Appellate Body since 2017 when rulings went against it, pulled out of a variety of 'green' treaties while preaching sustainability AKA deindustrialisation to African countries, imposed export bans on critical technologies, using subsidies to enable their companies to engage in rampant food dumping in Africa; resulting in the collapse of poultry, milk and rice value chains in various countries, ati be be lo.

And this is just economic stuff o, not national security and military violations. But China is the boogeyman because they make things cheaply.