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MaxInDHouse:
And you are relating well with those who are not JWs because they are interpreting Bible rightly!🙂

JW own is organisational misinterpretation!

tctrills:
Does God have the ability to express emotions?
To get angry
To be happy
To talk
You and I are not to decide what God can or cannot do. We did not create Him He created us.

But then why are you uncomfortable with God showing emotions?
Why should this be a big deal to you?

Of course there are things that not beffiting for God to do! Like God dying or becoming man!

Can God lie?

Back to the OP, Did God wept before Jesus wept or the verse below is a lie?

AntiChristian:
So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For WHATEVER the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:19

What does "WHATEVER" mean as used above?

So you can relate well with people who are not ORGANIZED in their beliefs just as you Muslims are not also organized in your beliefs shey?😟

AntiChristian:
JW own is organisational misinterpretation!

MaxInDHouse:
So you can relate well with people who are not ORGANIZED in their beliefs just as you Muslims are not also organized in your beliefs shey?😟

Individual misinterpretation vs organisational misinterpretation!

AntiChristian:
Of course there are things that not beffiting for God to do! Like God dying or becoming man!

Can God lie?

Back to the OP, Did God wept before Jesus wept or the verse below is a lie?

My brother,
Is it you or I to decide what is or is not befitting of God?
Don't you think we should depend on revelation and not you and me creating our own God?
It would be stupid for me to answer your question if I am not able to point you to scripture.
I hope you get it now. It's not up to man to decide the nature of God

AntiChristian:
Individual misinterpretation vs organisational misinterpretation!

The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Judaism is not the religion Moses or any of ancient Israel prophets practiced that is the religion apostate Jews started after their return from Babylon.

According to the prophets angels are Gods because they share same nature with God the only difference between the Almighty and angels is that angels could be destroyed {Psalms 82:1 & 6} but the only true God cannot be destroyed. But as regards nature they are all spirits that's why rebellious angels could deceive humans into worshiping them since they also have supernatural powers!🙂

Your argument is flawed because it mixes up roles with nature and poetry with ontology. The pre-exilic prophets (before the exile) clearly advocated for the exclusive worship of YHWH, and this was preserved by post-Babylonian Judaism rather than being a new invention. This is a matter of historical fact, not theology. In Psalm 82, the term elohim is used functionally, not in terms of essence. The passage also states that these gods die, which indicates they are not divine by nature. Just because they share a title does not mean they share God's essence. Being a spirit does not equate to divine essence. Angels are created spirits, while God is uncreated, eternal, and self-existent. If we equate spirit with the same essence, it would imply that Satan shares God's nature, which Scripture refutes. Therefore, in John 5:19, Jesus' statements indicate dependence and agency rather than a shared divinity. Imitation clarifies the text, while the idea of shared essence contradicts it.

Then the 'ungodly clergy' by your analogy also have supernatural powers likened to God to so mislead their following? Please!

In a nutshell do Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods?

The idea that a god claimed to be the one Abraham worshiped is not enough evidence that it's that same God because there are many spirits claiming the one and only true God!🙂

honesttalk21:
Your argument is flawed because it mixes up roles with nature and poetry with ontology. The pre-exilic prophets (before the exile) clearly advocated for the exclusive worship of YHWH, and this was preserved by post-Babylonian Judaism rather than being a new invention. This is a matter of historical fact, not theology. In Psalm 82, the term elohim is used functionally, not in terms of essence. The passage also states that these gods die, which indicates they are not divine by nature. Just because they share a title does not mean they share God's essence. Being a spirit does not equate to divine essence. Angels are created spirits, while God is uncreated, eternal, and self-existent. If we equate spirit with the same essence, it would imply that Satan shares God's nature, which Scripture refutes. Therefore, in John 5:19, Jesus' statements indicate dependence and agency rather than a shared divinity. Imitation clarifies the text, while the idea of shared essence contradicts it.

Then the 'ungodly clergy' by your analogy also have supernatural powers likened to God to so mislead their following? Please!

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell do Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods?

No; Hebrew prophets did not agree that there are many gods.
They consistently taught exclusive monotheism as seen in I am YHWH, and there is no other (Isaiah 45:5) as well as
YHWH is God in heaven above and on the earth below there is no other (Deut 4:39).

Don't say you are mistaking perishable gods with the one true above all God?

honesttalk21:
No; Hebrew prophets did not agree that there are many gods.
They consistently taught exclusive monotheism as seen in I am YHWH, and there is no other (Isaiah 45:5) as well as
YHWH is God in heaven above and on the earth below there is none else (Deut 4:39)

The Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods they taught that only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one true God.
So if your Allah now claims to be that one true God where is the proof?

Remember that Abraham's ancestors were worshiping other Gods before the true God called Abraham out from that place {Joshua 24:2} and a king deceived Israelites and claimed that his two golden calves is the God of Moses {1King 12:28} that's my point.

Please where is the evidence that your Allah who orchestrated that your Quran is the one true God?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The Hebrew prophets agreed that there are many Gods they taught that only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one true God.
So if your Allah now claims to be that one true God where is the proof?

Remember that Abraham's ancestors were worshiping other Gods before the true God called Abraham out from that place {Joshua 24:2} and a king deceived Israelites and claimed that his two golden calves is the God of Moses {1King 12:28} that's my point.

Please where is the evidence that your Allah who orchestrated that your Quran is the one true God?🙂

Your argument seems to confuse the biblical understanding of false gods with the recognition of true beings that deserve worship. The Hebrew prophets were quite clear that these so-called gods have no real divine power. Take Joshua 24:2, for instance, which says thus saith the LORD God of Israel, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. This verse points out the idolatry of our ancestors but doesn’t legitimize those gods. Instead, it sets the stage for God’s call to Abraham, urging him to turn away from such false worship. Similarly, when Jeroboam brought in the golden calves, the Scriptures condemned this act for falsely giving divine status: And he said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. (1 Kings 12:28). The prophets consistently push back against these claims. Isaiah puts it plainly: They that make a graven image are all of them vanity… he feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside. (Isaiah 44:9, 20). Jeremiah also makes it clear: The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth. (Jeremiah 10:11). Islam carries a similar prophetic message. False gods are merely misguided objects of worship, not beings that deserve it. Allah identifies Himself as the God of Abraham, continuing this legacy. The existence of false gods doesn’t lessen the identity of the true God; instead, it highlights the prophetic distinction between the One who is truly worthy of worship and all that falsely claims that title.

honesttalk21:
Your argument seems to confuse the biblical understanding of false gods with the recognition of true beings that deserve worship. The Hebrew prophets were quite clear that these so-called gods have no real divine power.

What is the proof that your Allah is not a lying spirit claiming to be the one true God?
I know the Hebrew prophets worshiped the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because they knew there are many Gods that's why they worshiped only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So my question is where is the proof that your Allah is that one true God?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
What is the proof that your Allah is not a lying spirit claiming to be the one true God?
I know the Hebrew prophets worshiped the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because they knew there are many Gods that's why they worshiped only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So my question is where is the proof that your Allah is that one true God?🙂

The Hebrew prophets were firm in their belief in one God and rejected the idea of multiple deities. Allah claims to be the same God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and He does not accept any partners, sons, or shared essence just as the prophets taught. This leads to an important question, if referring to angels or rulers as gods does not make them divine in nature, why compare Jesus to these other gods by asserting that he shares the same essence as the one true God?

Validity test to your Hebrew multiple Gods claim is can you show by your scripture where any of these other Gods did anything supernatural?

honesttalk21:
The Hebrew prophets were firm in their belief in one God and rejected the idea of multiple deities. Allah claims to be the same God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and He does not accept any partners, sons, or shared essence just as the prophets taught. This leads to an important question, if referring to angels or rulers as gods does not make them divine in nature, why compare Jesus to these other gods by asserting that he shares the same essence as the one true God?

Divinity simply means supernaturals and angels are supernaturals. You can check the meaning of divine in any dictionary of your choice!

A lot of religions today are claiming their God is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so just because your own people choose another religious group name is not enough proof that it's the same God. Tens of thousands of religions today claims they are worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

honesttalk21:
Validity test to your Hebrew multiple Gods claim is can you show by your scripture where any of these other Gods did anything supernatural?

Gods behind the religions are rebellious angels (demons) so they have powers to do supernatural things!

The magicians of Egypt used their magic to do the same thing—so even more frogs came out onto the land in Egypt! Exodus 8:7

Demons do perform supernatural acts even here our traditional religionists do perform supernatural acts so that's not the evidence the Bible God promised His worshipers!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Divinity simply means supernaturals and angels are supernaturals. You can check the meaning of divine in any dictionary of your choice!

A lot of religions today are claiming their God is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so just because your own people choose another religious group name is not enough proof that it's the same God. Tens of thousands of religions today claims they are worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Gods behind the religions are rebellious angels (demons) so they have powers to do supernatural things!

The magicians of Egypt used their magic to do the same thing—so even more frogs came out onto the land in Egypt! Exodus 8:7

Demons do perform supernatural acts even here our traditional religionists do perform supernatural acts so that's not the evidence the Bible God promised His worshipers!🙂

Saying that many religions refer to Abraham's God is misleading. The truth isn't determined by how many people believe something. The Bible itself mentions false prophets, yet God remains singular (Deut 18:22). Regarding demonic signs, Scripture counters this argument; for instance, Pharaoh’s magicians could only perform limited tricks before they acknowledged God's true power (Exod 8:19). Demonic signs are mere imitations, temporary, and ineffective against genuine revelation they do not define what is true. The Bible's criteria for understanding God includes:

1. Pure monotheism (Deut 6:4, Isa 45:5)
2. Consistency in God's nature (Mal 3:6)
3. Genuine prophecy and moral law.

Islam worships the same God as Abraham because it maintains strict monotheism, rejects the worship of angels or demons, and recognizes all prophets without elevating any to divine status. If we dismiss all supernatural signs as demonic, then we also undermine Christian miracles. Skepticism cannot be applied selectively. The key issue is not who claims Abraham, but who upholds Abraham's monotheism without distortion.

Seems you're enjoying the growing diversion from your view on whatever with regards to equating Jesus or his essence with the one true God? Seeing more how your arguments in support of this are inadequate and improper?

This is not the proof God promised His worshipers in our time!

Worshipers of the same demon will also claim monotheism, they will remain consistent in their argument and when it comes to prophecy demons are also capable of foretelling events while they manipulate things to fit in to what they said.

There is a promise the one and only true God made to faithful people globally.

According to the Bible humans globally were speaking just one language after the death of Noah so they decided to stay in one location {Genesis 11:1-4} as against spreading to all the parts of the planet which God intended for humans in the beginning. Genesis 1:28

So God called His loyal angels and they made humans to start hearing different tongues instead of the same language they were use to. Genesis 11:7-5

Of course this will surely lead to confusion and since Satan's intentions is to make humans kill one another he will use that to a greater advantage turning people against themselves. So later those who have signed pact with Satan became human kings in different places and they began using their subjects to fight for more territories therefore people started killing people due to the difference in languages as one agent of Satan will speak the language his own subjects understands to instigate them against another race.

The true God later called Abraham while he is also worshiping the demons with his ancestors and God introduced Himself to Abraham promising the man that He will do great things for him in the future. Genesis 12:1-3

All these promises God made to Abraham and to Isaac and to Jacob He fulfilled according to Joshua {Joshua 23:14} but one thing remains: will God only continue to support Israelites even though faithful people arises from other nations and willing to worship the only true God?

This is why God made a promise that no other God could fulfill:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

According to this promise faithful people throughout the world will be gathered to study God's word (laws) and because it's the same Spirit that's organizing them they will use what is found in God's word to settle all their disparities among themselves peacefully, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

This is why God later promised that they will speak the same spiritual language of PEACE among themselves {Zephaniah 3:9} because He the true God is LOVE {1John 4:8} so Love will stand as the proof that they are the worshipers of the true God! John 13:34-35

So if any religion can't work this out among it's adherents it belongs to Satan the deceiver. Can you prove that this type of LOVE exists among the worshipers of your Allah?🙂

honesttalk21:
The Bible's criteria for understanding God includes:
1. Pure monotheism (Deut 6:4, Isa 45:5)
2. Consistency in God's nature (Mal 3:6)
3. Genuine prophecy and moral law.

MaxInDHouse:
This is not the proof God promised His worshipers in our time!

Worshipers of the same demon will also claim monotheism, they will remain consistent in their argument and when it comes to prophecy demons are also capable of foretelling events while they manipulate things to fit in to what they said.

There is a promise the one and only true God made to faithful people globally.

According to the Bible humans globally were speaking just one language after the death of Noah so they decided to stay in one location {Genesis 11:1-4} as against spreading to all the parts of the planet which God intended for humans in the beginning. Genesis 1:28

So God called His loyal angels and they made humans to start hearing different tongues instead of the same language they were use to. Genesis 11:7-5

Of course this will surely lead to confusion and since Satan's intentions is to make humans kill one another he will use that to a greater advantage turning people against themselves. So later those who have signed pact with Satan became human kings in different places and they began using their subjects to fight for more territories therefore people started killing people due to the difference in languages as one agent of Satan will speak the language his own subjects understands to instigate them against another race.

The true God later called Abraham while he is also worshiping the demons with his ancestors and God introduced Himself to Abraham promising the man that He will do great things for him in the future. Genesis 12:1-3

All these promises God made to Abraham and to Isaac and to Jacob He fulfilled according to Joshua {Joshua 23:14} but one thing remains: will God only continue to support Israelites even though faithful people arises from other nations and willing to worship the only true God?

This is why God made a promise that no other God could fulfill:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

According to this promise faithful people throughout the world will be gathered to study God's word (laws) and because it's the same Spirit that's organizing them they will use what is found in God's word to settle all their disparities among themselves peacefully, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

This is why God later promised that they will speak the same spiritual language of PEACE among themselves {Zephaniah 3:9} because He the true God is LOVE {1John 4:8} so Love will stand as the proof that they are the worshipers of the true God! John 13:34-35

So if any religion can't work this out among it's adherents it belongs to Satan the deceiver. Can you prove that this type of LOVE exists among the worshipers of your Allah?🙂

Wow! There's real trouble if this is how you come about equating the essence of Jesus to God.

Your argument suggests that global peace and complete unity must already exist to validate the existence of the true God. However, the Bible itself acknowledges that this promise is eschatological and not yet fully realized, as seen in Isaiah 11:6–9. According to your own criteria, Christendom is also marked by division, violence, and conflict, indicating that the evidence you seek is lacking among Christians as well.

Regarding demonic monotheism, the Bible clearly states that demons do not create moral law, promote sustained reform, or submit to God, as noted in James 2:19. Islam, on the other hand, explicitly rejects the influence of demons, angels, saints, and humans as intermediaries and advocates for radical monotheism, charity, racial unity, and daily discipline across nations; principles that demons typically oppose rather than support.

Demons in the Bible can imitate signs or guess short-term events, but they do not know or control God’s decreed future (Isaiah 46:9–10; Daniel 2:28). Their prophecies are reactive, vague, and eventually exposed, never producing lasting moral law or global reform. Only God fulfills long-range, world-shaping prophecy, something demons have never achieved in history. Do we need revisit the comedy of prophesies abound amongst the Christian clergy?

When it comes to love as evidence, Islam defines love through justice, mercy, charity, and self-restraint rather than mere sentiment. The Qur'an emphasizes reconciliation, prohibits aggression, mandates charity, and brings together different races in worship every day. No other faith has established a single global ritual unity comparable to that of Islam.

If internal shortcomings indicate the presence of Satan, then no religion would endure, including Christianity. The standard you apply ultimately condemns your own beliefs first.

honesttalk21:
Your argument suggests that global peace and complete unity must already exist to validate the existence of the true God. However, the Bible itself acknowledges that this promise is eschatological and not yet fully realized, as seen in Isaiah 11:6–9. According to your own criteria, Christendom is also marked by division, violence, and conflict, indicating that the evidence you seek is lacking among Christians as well.

The two highlighted is your problem!

If you think different religions contradicting one another and being carried away with politics and racism to the point of hating, fighting and killing themselves are disciples of Jesus who said LOVE will be the strong bond of union among his disciples {John 13:34-35} then you need to be more intelligent than you are right now because Satan's worshipers will not know they are worshiping Satan {Matthew 7:21-23} rather they will be claiming they are worshiping the one and only true God despite the fact that they won't meet up with the criteria God gave.

For your information there is only one religion that has achieved success with God's promise regarding love joy and peace among worshipers globally God began calling them by another group name {Isaiah 65:15} after Satan's agents defamed the name inhabitants of Antioch gave our first century brothers. Act 11:26

That group name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Now you can go back to check if there is anything God promised that's not being fulfilled by this group!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
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The two highlighted is your problem!

If you think different religions contradicting one another and being carried away with politics and racism to the point of hating, fighting and killing themselves are disciples of Jesus who said LOVE will be the strong bond of union among his disciples {John 13:34-35} then you need to be more intelligent than you are right now because Satan's worshipers will not know they are worshiping Satan {Matthew 7:21-23} rather they will be claiming they are worshiping the one and only true God despite the fact that they won't meet up with the criteria God gave.

For your information there is only one religion that has achieved success with God's promise regarding love joy and peace among worshipers globally God began calling them by another group name {Isaiah 65:15} after Satan's agents defamed the name inhabitants of Antioch gave our first century brothers. Act 11:26

That group name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Now you can go back to check if there is anything God promised that's not being fulfilled by this group!🙂

Farthest off the primary discussion but I will not follow you down this hole hiding your misunderstanding of the meaning of whatever in John 5:19

John 5:19 simply connotes God's wisdom to do things that demons can never ever achieve no matter how hard they try.

There has never been a time when two opposing sides are loyally worshiping the true God yet fighting and killing one another because that is what God's word supposed to help them settle amicably among themselves. Your Allah can never ever achieve that other than demanding worship from you people. Luke 4:7

The secret of peace among worshipers is only achievable through the teachings of Christ Jesus who imitated God as His only begotten Son. John 3:16

So if your religion fail to teach you why Jesus differ from all the other servants of God that Bible verse is the secret.

Your Allah may pick one aspect of God's word in the Bible and continue deceiving you with it claiming he is the true God but his inability to make his worshipers cohabit peacefully among themselves is a sign that he is not the true God who called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Farewell!🙂

honesttalk21:
Farthest off the primary discussion but I will not follow you down this hole hiding your misunderstanding of the meaning of whatever in John 5:19

MaxInDHouse:
John 5:19 simply connotes God's wisdom to do things that demons can never ever achieve no matter how hard they try.

There has never been a time when two opposing sides are loyally worshiping the true God yet fighting and killing one another because that is what God's word supposed to help them settle amicably among themselves. Your Allah can never ever achieve that other than demanding worship from you people. Luke 4:7

The secret of peace among worshipers is only achievable through the teachings of Christ Jesus who imitated God as His only begotten Son. John 3:16

So if your religion fail to teach you why Jesus differ from all the other servants of God that Bible verse is the secret.

Your Allah may pick one aspect of God's word in the Bible and continue deceiving you with it claiming he is the true God but his inability to make his worshipers cohabit peacefully among themselves is a sign that he is not the true God who called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Farewell!🙂

Continue trying to decorate what you say

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
It simply means Jesus has made himself the exact phototype of God through his thoughts, words and actions.

MaxInDHouse:
So that is why he (Jesus) was called God's Son by his friends! Matthew 16:16

No prophet could be like Jesus who got that perfect imitation of his heavenly father!

Look like isn't original

honesttalk21:
Continue trying to decorate what you say. Look like isn't original

If you think it's by arguing based on what is written in some random books that we can prove the presence or work of the true God in the midst of people then you are not really honest with yourself because books be it Bible or Quran or Veda was written by people we don't know but if the message is really from the true God then it must achieve PEACE among adherents of such book.

So call it whatever name they gave you, lay whatever claim they made about the book as long as it falls to make peace reign among people of all the nations adhering to it know today that it's a lie and all it's stories are false theories from Satan!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
If you think it's by arguing based on what is written in some random books that we can prove the presence or work of the true God in the midst of people then you are not really honest with yourself because books be it Bible or Quran or Veda was written by people we don't know but if the message is really from the true God then it must achieve PEACE among adherents of such book.

So call it whatever name they gave you, lay whatever claim they made about the book as long as it falls to make peace reign among people of all the nations adhering to it know today that it's a lie and all it's stories are false theories from Satan!🙂

Practicing your chosen doesn't require your lieing about Islam or the Quran. Keep on misinterpreting your biblical scripture or creating your delusion.

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

You don't or feign not to understand?

honesttalk21:
John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

The PEACE God's Son taught us requires no use of weapons or force {Matthew 5:43-48} that peace doesn't come by the deceitful teachings from demons because it involves being strict with what is written in God's word which will surely cause division among faithless people! Matthew 10:34-39
So does your religion meet up with this criteria?🙂

honesttalk21:
John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

In the world of faithless people servants of the true God will surely have tribulations because we are not carried away with sentiment, tribalism, racism or politics but among us we are globally united in LOVE! John 13:34-35
Has your religion achieved this?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The PEACE God's Son taught us requires no use of weapons or force {Matthew 5:43-48} that peace doesn't come by the deceitful teachings from demons because it involves being strict with what is written in God's word which will surely cause division among faithless people! Matthew 10:34-39
So does your religion meet up with this criteria?🙂

In the world of faithless people servants of the true God will surely have tribulations because we are not carried away with sentiment, tribalism, racism or politics but among us we are globally united in LOVE! John 13:34-35
Has your religion achieved this?🙂

Your argument is based on a flawed standard and a selective interpretation of history and religious texts.

1. Peace without force in Matthew 5 focuses on personal ethics rather than political strategy. Jesus himself acknowledges that truth can lead to division and conflict (Matt 10:34–39). Similarly, Islam prohibits aggression, allows the use of force only to prevent oppression, and emphasizes justice, even when it involves oneself. Moral teachings do not equate to political pacifism.

2. Global unity in love - The history of Christianity contradicts this notion as a measure of truth; the crusades, inquisitions, inter-denominational wars, and colonial violence were all actions taken by Christians referencing scripture. The truth of Islam is not dependent on human shortcomings, just as the truth of Christianity is not.

Jesus as perfect imitation remains exactly the issue. Imitation does not mean identity. Prophets demonstrate obedience to God, not an identical essence. Claiming that Jesus is uniquely divine because he imitated God better is merely a matter of personal admiration, not a statement of being, and it contradicts Jesus’ own language about dependence (John 5:19; 17:3). Labeling disagreement as satanic is not a valid argument. Islam fulfills its criteria by calling for one God, moral discipline, justice, and accountability. Principles that are central to the messages of all prophets, including Jesus.

honesttalk21:
Islam prohibits ggression, allows the use of force only to prevent oppression.

This is exactly what all humans believe that is why it's called human wisdom so has it led to peaceful coexistence in your religion?
Do Muslims agree to use the words of your Allah to settle disparities peacefully among themselves or they turn to force and weapons yet claiming believers in the same God?🙂

honesttalk21:
2. Global unity in love - The history of Christianity contradicts this notion as a measure of truth; the crusades, inquisitions, inter-denominational wars, and colonial violence were all actions taken by Christians referencing scripture.

Now use your own brain to answer the question not what they claim:

Are people using weapons to settle issues real followers of the man who said his disciples must never raise weapons against anyone? Matthew 26:52

Ọmọ it's Satan's deceit!

All of you are worshiping the same God of deceit that's why you people are fighting and killing one another yet thinking you doing so for justice when you have books telling you what God will do to liars in the last day.
So if your God promised to judge matters and you believe in your God then why taking laws into your hands?
Why not wait patiently onto your God if truly you believe he exists?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
This is exactly what all humans believe that is why it's called human wisdom so has it led to peaceful coexistence in your religion?
Do Muslims agree to use the words of your Allah to settle disparities peacefully among themselves or they turn to force and weapons yet claiming believers in the same God?🙂



Now use your own brain to answer the question not what they claim:

Are people using weapons to settle issues real followers of the man who said his disciples must never raise weapons against anyone? Matthew 26:52

Ọmọ it's Satan's deceit!

All of you are worshiping the same God of deceit that's why you people are fighting and killing one another yet thinking you doing so for justice when you have books telling you what God will do to liars in the last day.
So if your God promised to judge matters and you believe in your God then why taking laws into your hands?
Why not wait patiently onto your God if truly you believe he exists?🙂

You are mixing up the ideals of ethics with human shortcomings and then attributing that to religion. Islam promotes peaceful coexistence, emphasizing reconciliation, arbitration, and justice as highlighted in the Qur’an (49:9–10). It does not advocate for aggression; rather, it states, Fight in the way of God those who fight you, but do not transgress (Qur’an 2:190). Force is only permitted in cases of oppression, as noted in Qur’an 22:39. Justice is paramount, even when it comes to oneself: Stand firmly for justice, even against yourselves or your parents (Qur’an 4:135). When Muslims engage in conflict with one another, they are acting against their own teachings, similar to how Christians have strayed from Jesus’ message despite Matthew 26:52. Your argument about pacifism does not hold up when considering Christian history. If the use of weapons undermines true faith, then the crusades, sectarian conflicts, and political violence would disqualify Christianity under the same reasoning. Islam does not endorse vigilantism; it prohibits individuals from taking the law into their own hands and limits the use of force to lawful authorities to combat oppression. The principle of patiently waiting on God applies to personal grievances, not to allowing injustice to prevail unchecked. The misuse of religion by individuals reflects human deceit, not a failure of divine truth.

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honesttalk21:
Islam promotes peaceful coexistence, emphasizing reconciliation, arbitration, and justice as highlighted in the Qur’an (49:9–10). It does not advocate for aggression; rather, it states, Fight in the way of God those who fight you, but do not transgress (Qur’an 2:190). Force is only permitted in cases of oppression, as noted in Qur’an 22:39.

Is your Allah able to figure out who are wrongdoers even though such ones are claiming to worship him?
If so then why must his worshipers fight among themselves despite having the words of your God and TRUSTING in his judgement?
Ọmọ the truth is there is no Allah it's just another form of deceit. If truly Allah exists and all what Muhammad claimed your Allah said in that book is true there is no reason to fight oppressors among you instead all you need to do is read the words of your Allah to remind them if they truly believe in your Allah nobody will compel them to repent and ask for forgiveness. But it's obvious there is no Allah that's why you guys have to depend on what you trust weapons!😟

honesttalk21:
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You just needed to be drawn out of that shell in order to know that you're not truly honest hearted as you called yourself.
Jesus is simply a messenger of our God not God that is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach whoever wants to learn from us!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Is your Allah able to figure out who are wrongdoers even though such ones are claiming to worship him?
If so then why must his worshipers fight among themselves despite having the words of your God and TRUSTING in his judgement?
Ọmọ the truth is there is no Allah it's just another form of deceit. If truly Allah exists and all what Muhammad claimed your Allah said in that book is true there is no reason to fight oppressors among you instead all you need to do is read the words of your Allah to remind them if they truly believe in your Allah nobody will compel them to repent and ask for forgiveness. But it's obvious there is no Allah that's why you guys have to depend on what you trust weapons!😟


You just needed to be drawn out of that shell in order to know that you're not truly honest hearted as you called yourself.
Jesus is simply a messenger of our God not God that is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach whoever wants to learn from us!🙂

The three statements you variously provided cannot all be true simultaneously. Interpreting John 5:19 as indicating that God's wisdom, which demons cannot replicate, introduces a power dynamic that the verse does not imply. Claiming that Jesus is the exact prototype of God suggests a shared essence, which conflicts with the verse's assertion that the Son can do nothing independently. Additionally, stating that Jesus is God's Son due to perfect imitation reduces the concept of sonship to mere moral similarity rather than a deeper ontological relationship. John 5:19 clarifies this issue. The term whatever refers to the actions that the Father reveals and permits, indicating a dependent relationship rather than equal power or shared essence, and it does not imply a contrast with demons. The text emphasizes agency and obedience rather than inherent divinity.

Furthermore in John 5:19, whatever signifies what the Father wills and does, rather than encompassing all possible actions. The opening line, the Son can do nothing by himself, establishes this dependence rather than equality. Therefore, whatever pertains to actions that are authorized and observed, meaning the Son acts only in response to the Father. This aligns with the concepts of imitation and agency rather than ontological equality. Referring to Jesus as the Son of God in this context highlights perfect obedience and representation, rather than shared essence or divinity.

In summary, whatever signifies what God allows and shows him to do, which does not serve as evidence of divinity or contrast with demons, but rather underscores complete dependence and faithful imitation.

MaxInDHouse:
The same applies to Islam only Jehovah's organization doesn't have such among us!🙂

You are the only Christian on earth!

Your own Jesus came again in 1914!

tctrills:
My brother,
Is it you or I to decide what is or is not befitting of God?
Don't you think we should depend on revelation and not you and me creating our own God?
It would be stupid for me to answer your question if I am not able to point you to scripture.
I hope you get it now. It's not up to man to decide the nature of God

Of course, someone that qualifies himself as the highest can not be represent as the lowest!

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

Na your Bible be this o! God is not human...that he should lie.....

But later your God became human!

AntiChristian:
Of course, someone that qualifies himself as the highest can not be represent as the lowest!

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

Na your Bible be this o! God is not human...that he should lie.....

But later your God became human!

You just made my point. We can only know God's characteristics through revelation.
So from revelation, we know that God does not lie.
It is not up to you to decide His other characteristics.
Now, your argument here is not really intelligent, and here is why. God is not Human but He can talk. Someone like you would argue that He shouldnt be able to speak because He isnt Human.
Just because God isn't human doesn't mean He doesn't have lots of shared emotions and characteristics with Humans. We are in His image and likeness, remember?