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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by engrelvis(m): 9:09am On Feb 02
afrodoc2:
What do you mean by excuse our coaches against mid table teams?
First there is nothing like mid table team .All these terminology are excuses for bad performances from coaches.lf u can set up yr team to beat high flyers in the league then y can't u do the same for so called mid teams?.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 9:10am On Feb 02
engrelvis:
grin..am very happy bro.U suddenly realize this team can achieve top 4 ( after so much heartache from Amorim with his constant "we suffer" slogan)
Oh I know you are happy and I think everybody is happy. I used to think it was the regular defeats that was causing the warfare but this one that we are winning and both sides are still tackling themselves dey critical.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 9:13am On Feb 02
engrelvis:
First there is nothing like mid table team .All these terminology are excuses for bad performances from coaches.lf u can set up yr team to beat high flyers in the league then y can't u do the same for so called mid teams?.
Of all the wrong things that you have ever said, this is the one that is wrong the most. LOL
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by engrelvis(m): 9:19am On Feb 02
afrodoc2:
Of all the wrong things that you have ever said, this is the one that is wrong the most. LOL
Ok.Y can't we beat so called mid table team?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 9:35am On Feb 02
engrelvis:
Ok.Y can't we beat so called mid table team?
Poor coaching snd poor play from players are contributory but that’s not the whole story.

A major factor is the type of players we have had in our squad for a while.

If you have players who are mainly counterattack players that thrive when theyre is open space to run into but struggle in tight spaces from a technique point of view. , you will do well against other big teams because those ones will attack you and leave huge space behind

Against small teams that are willing to play low blocks and limit the spaces in behind and around the box such counterattacking players are not be as effective. Even Bruno who has been our best player for the past 5 years is best when he can throw a long pass in behind a high defence.

Poor coaching snd poor play from players are contributory but that’s not the whole story.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by kizolo(m): 10:00am On Feb 02
I observed yesterday that we might have the Ten Hang problem repeating itself whenever we face teams that sit back if we don’t get rid of Maguire or Martinez or both from the starting lineup or find a way to fix the problem.

When playing against teams that seat back in this Carricks system, the midfielders are expected to press higher and with intensity also the backline are expected to pus higher as well. However, with Maguire and Martinez, we don’t have the recovery speed in behind so they stay back

What we have now is a high press without intensity and a low backline resulting to wide open midfield - Recipe for disaster
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by engrelvis(m): 10:21am On Feb 02
afrodoc2:
Poor coaching snd poor play from players are contributory but that’s not the whole story.

A major factor is the type of players we have had in our squad for a while.

If you have players who are mainly counterattack players that thrive when theyre is open space to run into but struggle in tight spaces from a technique point of view. , you will do well against other big teams because those ones will attack you and leave huge space behind

Against small teams that are willing to play low blocks and limit the spaces in behind and around the box such counterattacking players are not be as effective. Even Bruno who has been our best player for the past 5 years is best when he can throw a long pass in behind a high defence.

Poor coaching snd poor play from players are contributory but that’s not the whole story.
Am happy u said poor coaching ( exactly what I was referring in my earlier post).
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ellexy: 11:29am On Feb 02
Jamiuokolaa:
That Kevin R2 - why does lammens seem to be helpless in such scenarios?

Na him weakness?

I remember Ellexy talking about our goalie having short arms

I agree with your take on Amad - he probably needs to be more dangerous when cutting in
Lammens needs to work on his long range shot stopping. If he works on that, he'll be world-class imo. He has conceded some questionable long rangers.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 1:00pm On Feb 02
Jamiuokolaa:
That Kevin R2 - why does lammens seem to be helpless in such scenarios?

Na him weakness?

I remember Ellexy talking about our goalie having short arms

I agree with your take on Amad - he probably needs to be more dangerous when cutting in
In fairness to him R2 is almost always difficult for goalkeepers to save, unless it is like that of Amad that was low for the Fulham keeper to stop. I agree Lammens need to work on his weakness expecially claiming set piece..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 1:04pm On Feb 02
patrickmuf:
For the first time in many years, Fulham approached the game scared for what we could have done to them. We scored 2 goals and looked a safe bet for the win until that penalty decision...

Whether you admit it or not, we look a much better team playing with this formation, much better than we ever looked under that useless Amorim Bin Laden setup.

I know you so badly want that 'I told you so' moment...
Ah the moment will come soon no worry.

Just go through the comments here before the second goal to confirm what people thoughts and reactions were during the match. Even after the second goal, we were still not comfortable. I hear it's because it was Fulham and they are currently the best team in the league, though they have just 2 wins in 6 matches or so.

I see you're one of those that get excited quickly over results irrespective of how we get it, but the bad news is that if things don't improve the excitement will clear soon and we will turn on the coach because we will not always be lucky with the results
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Silentgroper(m): 1:46pm On Feb 02
engrelvis:
First there is nothing like mid table team .All these terminology are excuses for bad performances from coaches.lf u can set up yr team to beat high flyers in the league then y can't u do the same for so called mid teams?.
You typo sounds contradictive ..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 1:59pm On Feb 02
Can we do it grin grin

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2:
engrelvis:
Am happy u said poor coaching ( exactly what I was referring in my earlier post).
Lol you ignored every other thing I said and atta her to that one.

The point is that you were wrong to say there is nothing like small or mid table team.

The way mid table teams set up us different from the way top teams set up. Top teams will play higher line against you and come at us, leaving space behind us that our counterattack players can exploit. Most of our best attackers have been counterattack players and not possession. Most of our defenders as well have been low block defenders which favours us playing against top teams.

Against small teams our counterattack players are not as useful because those ones will sit back and there is less space to exploit. Our low block defensive players like Maguire, de Ligt, Casemiro are also less effective because they have to play high lines and cover more space that they would like.

The mentality of the players is a factor. The coaching is a factor. But they real key is buying players who do not depend on counterattack to excel and I think we have started doing that.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LordAdam16: 2:21pm On Feb 02
eph12:
Ah the moment will come soon no worry.

Just go through the comments here before the second goal to confirm what people thoughts and reactions were during the match. Even after the second goal, we were still not comfortable. I hear it's because it was Fulham and they are currently the best team in the league, though they have just 2 wins in 6 matches or so.

I see you're one of those that get excited quickly over results irrespective of how we get it, but the bad news is that if things don't improve the excitement will clear soon and we will turn on the coach because we will not always be lucky with the results
have a lead and collapse after subs

is that not peak amorim?

ugarte entered the match, we sat back, and everything crumbled
different manager, same sequence

we needed midfield reinforcement this winter
but they like living dangerously

the sad part is that two wc midfielders in the mold of vitinha and camavinga will make the first 11 unplayable

lammens
maz, de ligt, mag, shaw
vitinha, camavinga, bruno
three from amad/cunha/mbeumo/sesko

and then you'd have mount, mainoo. dalot, licha, dorgu, heaven as backup

that's a top 4 team regardless of manager or system

all they needed to do was get a backup midfielder this winter to avoid the ugarte second half slump
and then buy wc midfielders in the summer
but they couldn't do that

yesterday was yet another warning
we escaped against arsenal as well

the only kludge for carrick is to make licha the dmf in the last third of the game
sub off casemiro for heaven/yoro (until de ligt is back) and make licha the dmf
this top 4 race will go down to the wire
and we're betting the house on casemiro staying healthy and ugarte giving 10/10 performances for the rest of the season

-Lord
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m):
engrelvis:
Am happy u said poor coaching ( exactly what I was referring in my earlier post).
So you picked poor coaching but ignored “type of players”? 😀
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LordAdam16: 3:17pm On Feb 02
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:28pm On Feb 02
LordAdam16

The problem is that Ugarte, Mainoo and co can’t sense danger whenever Case comes off.

Fulham’s first goal yesterday happened because Mainoo stepped up to join the squeeze in midfield with Ugarte already high up doing his senseless pressing. This left a huge space for the opposition to exploit with a simple lob pass.

Mainoo should have delayed his action and protected that zone in front of the defenders.

We need a midfielder who can read the game properly, sense danger early, and act proactively to prevent disaster.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 3:35pm On Feb 02
afrodoc2:
Lol you ignored every other thing I said and atta her to that one.

The point is that you were wrong to say there is nothing like small or mid table team.

The way mid table teams set up us different from the way top teams set up. Top teams will play higher line against you and come at us, leaving space behind us that our counterattack players can exploit. Most of our best attackers have been counterattack players and not possession. Most of our defenders as well have been low block defenders which favours us playing against top teams.

Against small teams our counterattack players are not as useful because those ones will sit back and there is less space to exploit. Our low block defensive players like Maguire, de Ligt, Casemiro are also less effective because they have to play high lines and cover more space that they would like.

The mentality of the players is a factor. The coaching is a factor. But they real key is buying players who do not depend on counterattack to excel and I think we have started fling that. No
Cunha and Sesko actually look like they’ll do well against low blocks if allowed some freedom. Even Mainoo sef, although he isn’t the finished article.

My worry is that they’ll be indoctrinated by the majority to have that counter attacking mindset and always start attacks whenever they get the ball.

Sometimes during the Fulham game- when we were 2-0 up, I felt we should’ve kept the ball more in some moments instead of risking another counter attack that likely wouldn’t yield any fruit.

Heck, Fulham’s first goal came from one of those failed attacks.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 4:21pm On Feb 02
LordAdam16:
have a lead and collapse after subs

is that not peak amorim?

ugarte entered the match, we sat back, and everything crumbled
different manager, same sequence

we needed midfield reinforcement this winter
but they like living dangerously

the sad part is that two wc midfielders in the mold of vitinha and camavinga will make the first 11 unplayable

lammens
maz, de ligt, mag, shaw
vitinha, camavinga, bruno
three from amad/cunha/mbeumo/sesko

and then you'd have mount, mainoo. dalot, licha, dorgu, heaven as backup

that's a top 4 team regardless of manager or system

all they needed to do was get a backup midfielder this winter to avoid the ugarte second half slump
and then buy wc midfielders in the summer
but they couldn't do that

yesterday was yet another warning
we escaped against arsenal as well

the only kludge for carrick is to make licha the dmf in the last third of the game
sub off casemiro for heaven/yoro (until de ligt is back) and make licha the dmf
this top 4 race will go down to the wire
and we're betting the house on casemiro staying healthy and ugarte giving 10/10 performances for the rest of the season

-Lord
The bolded players might come in and struggle with the pace of the league, and will then turn to deadwood while fan start asking for another midfield signings. SAF signed some good midfielders who turned out to be flops because they couldn't cope with the League or playing style of the team. I would prefer we sign only EPL proven midfielders like Anderson, Baleba, Wharton or any other good DM for less than £70m per player, we can sign both Anderson and Baleba sef if it will be possible...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LordAdam16: 5:17pm On Feb 02
TrebleChamp:
The bolded players might come in and struggle with the pace of the league, and will then turn to deadwood while fan start asking for another midfield signings. SAF signed some good midfielders who turned out to be flops because they couldn't cope with the League or playing style of the team. I would prefer we sign only EPL proven midfielders like Anderson, Baleba, Wharton or any other good DM for less than £70m per player, we can sign both Anderson and Baleba sef if it will be possible...
they should splurge on the DM
you have a point about epl proven because the pace of the league
but at this point i'd take wc from any of the top 5 leagues

this position has been an issue since McFred days

even when you watch casemiro's game
there are times where he'd be with the ball, you'd see an opposing player bearing on him
and be very nervous

-Lord
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LordAdam16: 5:24pm On Feb 02
Leyqute:
LordAdam16

The problem is that Ugarte, Mainoo and co can’t sense danger whenever Case comes off.

Fulham’s first goal yesterday happened because Mainoo stepped up to join the squeeze in midfield with Ugarte already high up doing his senseless pressing. This left a huge space for the opposition to exploit with a simple lob pass.

Mainoo should have delayed his action and protected that zone in front of the defenders.

We need a midfielder who can read the game properly, sense danger early, and act proactively to prevent disaster.
let's just hope carrick finds a way to get top 4 by hook or crook

and get to the summer
until then we'd need to put a protection spell on case
magic will not solve ugarte's problem, so we would have to hope that he has more good games than bad for the rest of the season

and maybe we do not have to sub case off every game
in some games we should push our luck and make him play the 90 as he did against arsenal

-Lord
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 7:07pm On Feb 02
Amad short oh

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 10:03pm On Feb 02
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MRTA7: 10:13pm On Feb 02
Mrviktor:
https://x.com/i/status/2018230564398993771
Rubbish but everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 10:18pm On Feb 02
I believe David degea saves 60% of this goals.

But at least we know our young goalie has something to work on

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 10:21pm On Feb 02
Mrviktor:
I believe David degea saves 60% of this goals.

But at least we know our young goalie has something to work on

https://x.com/i/status/2018215687932563603
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jamiuokolaa: 12:00am On Feb 03
nani667:
#AmorimOUT
#SackTheFraud
#JailTheBasterd

!!!!!
nani667:
#TrashHagOUT
#SackTheFraud
#JailTheBasterd
Finally!! cool

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jamiuokolaa: 12:14am On Feb 03
LordAdam16:
let's just hope carrick finds a way to get top 4 by hook or crook

and get to the summer
until then we'd need to put a protection spell on case
magic will not solve ugarte's problem, so we would have to hope that he has more good games than bad for the rest of the season

and maybe we do not have to sub case off every game
in some games we should push our luck and make him play the 90 as he did against arsenal

-Lord
If the idea is to bring in a DM to see out a game, Mazraoui might not be a bad idea.

Ugarte is a big liability to the team.

Raumdeuter please confirm below snippet

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:34am On Feb 03
Leyqute:
So you picked poor coaching but ignored “type of players”? 😀
Very majestic. grin grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 1:59am On Feb 03
Leyqute:
Cunha and Sesko actually look like they’ll do well against low blocks if allowed some freedom. Even Mainoo sef, although he isn’t the finished article.

My worry is that they’ll be indoctrinated by the majority to have that counter attacking mindset and always start attacks whenever they get the ball.

Sometimes during the Fulham game- when we were 2-0 up, I felt we should’ve kept the ball more in some moments instead of risking another counter attack that likely wouldn’t yield any fruit.

Heck, Fulham’s first goal came from one of those failed attacks.
Yes, Sesko has the box movement and aerial presence to work well against low blocks, and Cunha has just enough dribbling, invention, long-range shooting, and pace to trouble any block (low or high). He just needs to work on his touch, which can sometimes be loose.

Amad can work against any block as well. Once he improves his finishing and starts targeting and hitting the far post area of the goal, e don be for EPL LBs.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:54am On Feb 03
Jamiuokolaa:
If the idea is to bring in a DM to see out a game, Mazraoui might not be a bad idea.

Ugarte is a big liability to the team.

Ramdeuter please confirm below snippet
Mazroui played left back and right back at Bayern.

I dont recall him playing DM though maybe for an emergency in game solution
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 4:46am On Feb 03
afrodoc2:
Yes, Sesko has the box movement and aerial presence to work well against low blocks, and Cunha has just enough dribbling, invention, long-range shooting, and pace to trouble any block (low or high). He just needs to work on his touch, which can sometimes be loose.

Amad can work against any block as well. Once he improves his finishing and starts targeting and hitting the far post area of the goal, e don be for EPL LBs.
I’m a bit worried about Amad. He’s not as dangerous as he once was. His ambition and hunger has taken a hit. He still puts in the effort and his work in the team is evident.

But I’d like him to be more daring in certain moments or even have the belief that he can make something happen. Instead he just takes the safest options in most cases when faced with some difficulty.

It’s almost as if his growth has stagnated. Hopefully it’s another stage in his arc and he can become extremely dangerous in the next months cos I know how talented he is.
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