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Expanse2020:
In Islam we don't discriminate , about tribe, countries once you are Muslim. we believed we are one, brothers, sisters ...
And if you take arms against your brother the prophets said such person will enter hell fire so Islam don't support WAr too not even political or tribe except when God allow them to fight in the cause of Allah after 10years of the persecution of Muslims in makkh...
You can fact check me on all what am saying too ...
Those was mostly were started by the disbelievers of the then time because Islam is growing..

So according to you now there is no single Muslim among all those called "SOLDIERS" on this planet today?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
So according to you now there is no single Muslim among all those called "SOLDIERS" on this planet today?🤔

I never said there is no Muslims soldiers
There is everywhere soldiers Muslims
Muslims soldiers

Is there no christians soldiers

Expanse2020:
I never said there is no Muslims soldiers
There is everywhere soldiers Muslims
Muslims soldiers.

Is there no christians soldiers

Going by Jesus' command to his disciples there has never ever been one Christian who vows to kill his neighbor at the command of someone else since it's only Jesus we see as our commander!

So back to you, since there are Muslims everywhere who are into military service do you think such ones won't kill there fellow worshipers in other countries due to racial, political or tribal differences?

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MaxInDHouse:
Going by Jesus' command to his disciples there has never ever been one Christian who vows to kill his neighbor at the command of someone else since it's only Jesus we see as our commander!

So back to you, since there are Muslims everywhere who are into military service do you think such ones won't kill there fellow worshipers in other countries due to racial, political or tribal differences?

Did you know David is a prophet and he went to wat
Did you know Moses is a prophet and went to war and can continue mention...
Jesus itself said he brought sword ..
Coming back to the book that lack integrity you maynot know even if Jesus or his followers went to war because the book has been edited and redefine to suite the slave master....

Coming back to your question
In the bible many prophets went to war and command batterllion.

there many christians who believed they are Christians and follow orders killed another fellow Christians in another country..
On Islam it said there should be some people who will be curbing some people who loved to cause mischievous on the planet...
Those who uphold law..
Like judge, military and polices and the likes whose uphold truth..
So it's agree to have a soldiers and other military in Islam.. In as much s it can curb mischievous

Expanse2020:
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Did you know David is a prophet and he went to wat
Did you know Moses is a prophet and went to war and can continue mention...
Jesus itself said he brought sword ..
Coming back to the book that lack integrity you maynot know even if Jesus or his followers went to war because the book has been edited and redefine to suite the slave master....
Coming back to your question
In the bible many prophets went to war and command batterllion.

Please let us be sincere with this we are not arguing in support of our own place here rather we are trying to figure out which scripture could make peace reign among faithfuls.

I told you that before Christ God told the Israelites to fight and defend the place where PURE WORSHIP is stationed that is why they are fighting against enemies of pure worship not due to racial, tribal or political reasons. If anyone worships the God of Israel no matter where that person comes from he or she has become one of them so they must not lift up weapons against such a person.

But when Jesus came he told his disciples that because they are taking pure worship to other lands they will have fellow believers throughout the world so anywhere their fellow believers assemble has become holy ground. John 4:23-24
For that reason faithfuls should no longer engage in tribal, racial or political wars because it will involve killing their fellow believers but they must have love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

Expanse2020:
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There many christians who believed they are Christians and follow orders killed another fellow Christians in another country..

This is where sincerity is required on our part. I explained why there was wars in ancient Israel against other nations who were against PURE WORSHIP not tribal, racial or political reasons. So why are you trying to return to what you yourself condemned?

Expanse2020:
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On Islam it said there should be some people who will be curbing some people who loved to cause mischievous on the planet...
Those who uphold law..
Like judge, military and polices and the likes whose uphold truth..
So it's agree to have a soldiers and other military in Islam.. In as much s it can curb mischievous

This is what you typed with your own hands:

You said:

Expanse2020:
In Islam we don't discriminate , about tribe, countries once you are Muslim. we believed we are one, brothers, sisters ...

So how can a Muslim be a soldier in one country and vow to fight and kill the enemies of his country without killing his fellow Muslims in other countries?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Please let us be sincere with this we are not arguing in support of our own place here rather we are trying to figure out which scripture could make peace reign among faithfuls.
Have been sincere with all what am saying and I asked you to fact checked all am saying

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told you that before Christ God told the Israelites to fight and defend the place where PURE WORSHIP is stationed that is why they are fighting against enemies of pure worship not due to racial, tribal or political reasons. If anyone worships the God of Israel no matter where that person comes from he or she has become one of them so they must not lift up weapons against such a person.

But when Jesus came he told his disciples that because they are taking pure worship to other lands they will have fellow believers throughout the world so anywhere their fellow believers assemble has become holy ground. John 4:23-24

so after the Jesus left are Christians not lifting arms against each other countries, tribes and so on

For that reason faithfuls should no longer engage in tribal, racial or political wars because it will involve killing their fellow believers but they must have love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-3

are the christians now faithful to each other's, re they stop fighting against each other's, have they stop bombing each other's..


This is where sincerity is required on our part. I explained why there was wars in ancient Israel against other nations who were against PURE WORSHIP not tribal, racial or political reasons. So why are you trying to return to what you yourself condemned?


This is what you typed with your own hands:

You said:

So how can a Muslim be a soldier in one country and vow to fight and kill the enemies of his country without killing his fellow Muslims in other countries?🤔

I didn't denied it...

So are you insinuating that no christian is a soldier and no christians killing each others

Expanse2020:
Have been sincere with all what am saying and I asked you to fact checked all am saying.

There is a difference between quoting a book and presenting faithfuls who are PRACTICING what is written in the book.
So if the Quran teaches something good your only evidence that the book is from God are faithfuls doing exactly what was written in that book. I know you are not a baby when talking about intelligence therefore you can distinguish between theory and practical if your theory can't be put into practice by any known group then something is wrong somewhere.

Expanse2020:
Are the christians now faithful to each other's, re they stop fighting against each other's, have they stop bombing each other's..

Please try to be intelligent nah.
I said "there has never been a Christian who picks up weapons against faithfuls on the ground of tribal, racial or political grounds" so stop following claims and focus on actions.
If some people are claiming Muslims yet eating pork and drinking beer inside their place of worship would you agree that such people are Muslims and their place of worship a mosque for Allah?
Of course not because they are going against what Allah commanded in the Quran.
So stop calling disobedient religionists "Christians" simply because they claim so instead look forward to those practicing what Jesus commanded!

Expanse2020:
I didn't denied it...
So are you insinuating that no christian is a soldier and no christians killing each others.

YES!
The one and only Christian Organization on this planet are Jehovah's Witnesses and we will never ever support any race, tribe or political party against another so anywhere we go to on this planet is our home as long as Jehovah's Witnesses are there.
Racial, Tribal or Political barriers cannot separate us we all stand together to condemn anyone who goes against what Jesus commanded in fact there is no place on this planet where Jehovah's Witnesses will welcome whoever goes against what Jesus taught us because such a person has turned his or her back on our global family!

MaxInDHouse:
There is a difference between quoting a book and presenting faithfuls who are PRACTICING what is written in the book.
So if the Quran teaches something good your only evidence that the book is from God are faithfuls doing exactly what was written in that book. I know you are not a baby when talking about intelligence therefore you can distinguish between theory and practical if your theory can't be put into practice by any known group then something is wrong somewhere.


Please try to be intelligent nah.
I said "there has never been a Christian who picks up weapons against faithfuls on the ground of tribal, racial or political grounds" so stop following claims and focus on actions.
If some people are claiming Muslims yet eating pork and drinking beer inside their place of worship would you agree that such people are Muslims and their place of worship a mosque for Allah?
Of course not because they are going against what Allah commanded in the Quran.
So stop calling disobedient religionists "Christians" simply because they claim so instead look forward to those practicing what Jesus commanded!


YES!
The one and only Christian Organization on this planet are Jehovah's Witnesses and we will never ever support any race, tribe or political party against another so anywhere we go to on this planet is our home as long as Jehovah's Witnesses are there.
Racial, Tribal or Political barriers cannot separate us we all stand together to condemn anyone who goes against what Jesus commanded in fact there is no place on this planet where Jehovah's Witnesses will welcome whoever goes against what Jesus taught us because such a person has turned his or her back on our global family!

So you are saying no Christians in Arm forces abii

Expanse2020:
So you are saying no Christians in Arm forces abii

Use what the Bible said to judge that:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:43-48

So it's only the group of people who are living by this command that you should consider as followers of that man not just people claiming they are his followers.

MaxInDHouse:
Use what the Bible said to judge that:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:43-48

So it's only the group of people who are living by this command that you should consider as followers of that man not just people claiming they are his followers.

Well o know a particular Jehovah witnesses who's was in navy before, he wa a Carew too in Ibadan that time...
So he didn't understand the verse or what

Expanse2020:
Well o know a particular Jehovah witnesses who's was in navy before, he wa a Carew too in Ibadan that time...
So he didn't understand the verse or what.

He wasn't one of Jehovah's Witnesses but an interested person attending our meetings, before a person could be counted among us he must become baptized and we will never ever baptize a person whose work is to kill!
Many people do attend our meetings but we don't count them as members since they have not dedicated their life to our God to live by His standards so we are not like other religions that keep counting the crowds at their place of worship therefore if we give you a figure of all members of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world we are talking about those who are dedicated and baptized as preachers carrying bags to visit people in their homes to teach them what we believe and practice.

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't one of Jehovah's Witnesses but an interested person attending our meetings, before a person could be counted among us he must become baptized and we will never ever baptize a person whose work is to kill!
Many people do attend our meetings but we don't count them as members since they have not dedicated their life to our God to live by His standards so we are not like other religions that keep counting the crowds at their place of worship therefore if we give you a figure of all members of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world we are talking about those who are dedicated and baptized as preachers carrying bags to visit people in their homes to teach them what we believe and practice.

Abeg shift...
The man is conc. Jehova witness
There is a certificate of baptism in his house where he hanged him before he joined army self ... Stop lieing guy

Expanse2020:
Abeg shift...
The man is conc. Jehova witness
There is a certificate of baptism in his house where he hanged him before he joined army self ... Stop lieing guy

Ọmọ Jehovah's Witnesses don't give certificates for baptism that's why i said "Make sure of all things" 1Thessalonians 5:21

You can ask anybody around you if JWs do give certificates for baptism that means his former religion before he started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jehovah's Witnesses don't give certificates for baptism that's why i said "Make sure of all things" 1Thessalonians 5:21

You can ask anybody around you if JWs do give certificates for baptism that means his former religion before he started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂

But he hang the picture where he was baptized on his house was that not certificate

Expanse2020:
But he hang the picture where he was baptized on his house was that not certificate

My guy go out there and ask anybody as in anybody if JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can be in the military service.
I'm telling you the first and foremost rule that makes anyone a member of JWs not just an option.
So if you see the picture it means that was his baptism in another religion not with Jehovah's Witnesses.
Please ask the person himself if JWs can baptize a serving military officer as one of us!🙂

This is in obedience to the commandment Jesus gave us that we must love our fellow believers just as he loves us {John 13:34-35} in addition to the law that we must love our neighbors as ourselves! Mark 12:31

This is what i'm telling you that exposed all false religions because due to politics, racism and tribalism they will carry weapons and kill their neighbors including those who are members of their own faith {Revelation 6:3-4} but true faith will never allow for such a thing!

@ Hussein27

Copied The gates of heaven won't be open for them grin
The kuffar will never enter Jannah.
"Surely those who receive our revelations with denial and arrogance, the gates of heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel passes through the eye of a needle. This is how We reward the wicked." Surah A'raf 7:40
The soul of kaafir will be blown away, going about till it goes back to its body.
The two angels will sit him down, they will ask who is your Lord. The kaafir that do say he's an atheist, he will regret, this day all his certificate, cloth wealth, affiliation will be gone. He has come to meet Angels where all degrees of this world are useless and can't save you.

You are right that the Kufar will never enter into the Mohammedan idea of Heaven, in the same way Mohammedans will never be able to make it into the Buddhist idea of heaven or the Kingdom of God. It is simple and understandable and simple! To each... his own. 🥱🥱

Chicious:
➜A real man is someone who fears God and submits to His will for his life. He is committed to discipline and order as he pursues the mission and calling God has given him. He is not intimidated or shaped by cultural or feminist gyno centric standards that seek to redefine manhood in ways that weaken, distort or neuter it.
➜He understands that if he becomes a husband and father, he is called to lead his family. That leadership carries both authority and responsibility. He must guide, protect, and provide for his household, directing it according to a clear vision grounded in obedience to God.
➜ So in a simple short sentence: A real man fears God, governs himself, loves sacrificially, leads with authority and responsiblity, stands firm against corruption, and lives with integrity in private and public life.

1. Fears and submits to which God naw? I ask because even that Khomeini guy wey dem kill yesterday swear say him too be man wey they pursue the mission and calling given him by his god even after him don murder about 32000 of his people in less than a month at that.

2. Yes, that is usually the external image we are given of such men as the one mentioned above, until you take a closer look and realize they are some of the vilest of creatures, as portrayed by his beliefs as presented in his book on Islamic Governance. 🥱🥱

3. Yet, history has shown us, time and time again, that most of these so-called men who fear God are some of the most corrupt and most wicked entities the world has ever had. How come?

Kobojunkie:
1. Fears and submits to which God naw? I ask because even that Khomeini guy wey dem kill yesterday swear say him too be man wey they pursue the mission and calling given him by his god even after him don murder about 32000 of his people in less than a month at that.

2. Yes, that is usually the external image we are given of such men as the one mentioned above, until you take a closer look and realize they are some of the vilest of creatures, as portrayed by his beliefs as presented in his book on Islamic Governance. 🥱🥱

3. Yet, history has shown us, time and time again, that most of these so-called men who fear God are some of the most corrupt and most wicked entities the world has ever had. How come?

First off, By God here I meant the thrice holy triune God and secondly, it's God that knows those who are truly His.

Chicious:
➜First off, By God here I meant the thrice holy triune God and secondly, it's God that knows those who are truly His.

I know in your mind, you probably also think your religion is better than or produces better "gods of men" than all other religions, but reality shows otherwise. No one religion produces the best of men(or women).

hassinho707

➜Many people associate Islam with terrorism because some violent groups claim to act in the name of Islam. But it is important to separate the actions of criminals from the teachings of the religion itself.
In Islam, the killing of innocent human beings is strictly forbidden. T[b]he Qur’an clearly states that killing one innocent person is like killing all of humanity, and saving one life is like saving all of humanity (Qur’an 5:32).[/b]
➜Islam teaches that human life is sacred, regardless of religion, race, or nationality.

1. This claim of yours regarding the Quran is false. 🥱

When you closely examine Surah Al-Maidah (Chapter 5) verse 32, you will find that it instead points to a command that was supposedly handed down by Allah to the Muslims(according to the text) only to the children of Israel, as shown in the image below. I believe this is Mohammed's attempt at referencing one of the Ten Commandments handed down by Moses to the children of Israel. 🥱🥱

2. This only verse you referenced cannot be used in reference to Mohammedans. Therefore, it is false to claim that Islam teaches any of what you claim, as there are numerous verses and passages from both the Quran and Haddiths which instead insist that Allah's commandments to Mohammedans held no regard for life, even that of Mohammedans. If you are open, we can contextually review as many of the Sunahs on this.🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
hassinho7071. This claim of yours regarding the Quran is false. 🥱

When you closely examine Surah Al-Maidah (Chapter 5) verse 32, you will find that it instead points to a command that was supposedly handed down by Allah to the Muslims(according to the text) only to the children of Israel, as shown in the image below. I believe this is Mohammed's attempt at referencing one of the Ten Commandments handed down by Moses to the children of Israel. 🥱🥱

2. This only verse you referenced cannot be used in reference to Mohammedans. Therefore, it is false to claim that Islam teaches any of what you claim, as there are numerous verses and passages from both the Quran and Haddiths which instead insist that Allah's commandments to Mohammedans held no regard for life, even that of Mohammedans. If you are open, we can contextually review as many of the Sunahs on this.🥱🥱

You are correct that Qur’an 5:32 mentions that the rule was written for the Children of Israel. However, your conclusion is not accurate.

In the Qur’an, Allah often mentions laws given to previous nations in order to teach moral lessons to Muslims and humanity in general. The Qur’an repeatedly reminds Muslims of the teachings given to earlier prophets such as Moses and Jesus.

The verse does not mean that the sanctity of life applies only to the Children of Israel. In fact, the very next verse (Qur’an 5:33) condemns those who spread violence and corruption in the land.

Furthermore, the Prophet Muhammad also clearly prohibited killing innocent people. In authentic hadith, he forbade the killing of women, children, monks, and civilians even during war.

So when extremist groups kill innocent people, they are violating both the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet.

The Qur’an frequently refers to previous scriptures to show that the moral principles of God are consistent across time. The message is clear: human life is sacred, and unjust killing is a grave sin.

Therefore, the verse still demonstrates the Islamic principle that innocent life must be protected.

If Islam allowed killing innocent people, why did the Prophet forbid killing women, children, monks, and farmers during war?

hassinho707:
➜You are correct that Qur’an 5:32 mentions that the rule was written for the Children of Israel. However, your conclusion is not accurate.
In the Qur’an, Allah often mentions laws given to previous nations in order to teach moral lessons to Muslims and humanity in general. The Qur’an repeatedly reminds Muslims of the teachings given to earlier prophets such as Moses and Jesus.
➜ The verse does not mean that the sanctity of life applies only to the Children of Israel. In fact, the very next verse (Qur’an 5:33) condemns those who spread violence and corruption in the land.
Furthermore, the Prophet Muhammad also clearly prohibited killing innocent people. In authentic hadith, he forbade the killing of women, children, monks, and civilians even during war.
➜ So when extremist groups kill innocent people, they are violating both the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet.
The Qur’an frequently refers to previous scriptures to show that the moral principles of God are consistent across time. The message is clear: human life is sacred, and unjust killing is a grave sin.
➜ Therefore, the verse still demonstrates the Islamic principle that innocent life must be protected. If Islam allowed killing innocent people, why did the Prophet forbid killing women, children, monks, and farmers during war?

1. Laws that apply to other people do not apply to Mohammedans. That is what Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 32 points to. 🥱🥱

2. Wrong! Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33 does not say any of what you claim. Rather, it insists that all those who are against Allah and Mohammed should be killed or maimed and exiled, which constitutes disgrace in this world and the next. Allah declares death on those who want nothing to do with Allah and Mohammed, aka those who are against or speak out against them. 🥱🥱

3. Wrong! Mohammedans, those whom you regard as extremists, in fact, uphold Allah's words as expressed there in Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33. 🥱🥱

4. These leaps of yours are clearly against the content of Surah Al-Maidah. Allah calls for the death, crucifixion, maiming, and/or exiling of those who are against Allah and Mohammed, as is written. 🥱🥱
Seun

Kobojunkie:
1. Laws that apply to other people do not apply to Mohammedans. That is what Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 32 points to. 🥱🥱

2. Wrong! Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33 does not say any of what you claim. Rather, it insists that all those who are against Allah and Mohammed should be killed or maimed and exiled, which constitutes disgrace in this world and the next. Allah declares death on those who want nothing to do with Allah and Mohammed, aka those who are against or speak out against them. 🥱🥱

3. Wrong! Mohammedans, those whom you regard as extremists, in fact, uphold Allah's words as expressed there in Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33. 🥱🥱

4. These leaps of yours are clearly against the content of Surah Al-Maidah. Allah calls for the death, crucifixion, maiming, and/or exiling of those who are against Allah and Mohammed, as is written. 🥱🥱
Seun

Your interpretation ignores the context of the verses.

First, regarding Qur’an 5:32: Yes, the verse says that the rule was written for the Children of Israel. But the Qur’an frequently reminds Muslims about laws given to previous prophets to emphasize universal moral principles. The point of the verse is to show how serious the crime of killing an innocent person is in the sight of God.

Second, your interpretation of Qur’an 5:33 is incorrect. The verse does not say that anyone who simply disagrees with Islam should be killed. The verse clearly says: “those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread corruption in the land.”

Classical Islamic scholars explain that this refers to violent criminals such as bandits, rebels, or people who terrorize society — not ordinary people who simply hold different beliefs.

In fact, the Qur’an itself clearly states: “There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256). If Islam commanded killing people just for being against Islam, this verse would not exist.

Historically, Muslims lived alongside Jews and Christians for centuries under Muslim rule. If Islam commanded the killing of anyone who disagreed with it, those communities would not have survived.

So Qur’an 5:33 is about punishment for violent criminals who wage war and spread chaos in society — not a command to kill people simply for disagreeing with Islam.

hassinho707:
➜Second, your interpretation of Qur’an 5:33 is incorrect. The verse does not say that anyone who simply disagrees with Islam should be killed. The verse clearly says: “those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread corruption in the land.”
Classical Islamic scholars explain that this refers to violent criminals such as bandits, rebels, or people who terrorize society — not ordinary people who simply hold different beliefs.

1. The same literal interpretation applied to Surah Al-Maidah 32 is applied to Surah Al-Maidah 33. So, why are you attempting to ignore what is literally written to assert something different? 🥱🥱

2. Ibn Kathir's Tafsir on Surah Al-Maidah vs 33 instead makes it abundantly clear that, despite the ruling supposedly given by Allah specifically to the children of Israel as detailed in Surah Al-Maidah vs 32, what is prohibited to Mohammedans is the shedding of the blood of fellow Mohammedans/a soul that Allah has forbidden killing of(even that, as we will see later, is dependent on circumstances). 🥱

(And if anyone saved a life...) means, he refrains from killing a soul. Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah's statement, (it would be as if he killed all mankind. .) means, "Whoever kills one soul that Allah has forbidden killing, is just like he who kills all mankind.'' Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.'' In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah,

The only lives precious to Islam are lives that Allah himself has forbidden the killing of, not all of humanity or all souls. 🥱🥱

hassinho707:
➜In fact, the Qur’an itself clearly states: “There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256). If Islam commanded killing people just for being against Islam, this verse would not exist.
➜Historically, Muslims lived alongside Jews and Christians for centuries under Muslim rule. If Islam commanded the killing of anyone who disagreed with it, those communities would not have survived.
➜ So Qur’an 5:33 is about punishment for violent criminals who wage war and spread chaos in society — not a command to kill people simply for disagreeing with Islam.

1. Surah Al-Baqarah instead states, "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the (Allah's) truth stands out clearly from falsehood." Essentially, the passage makes abundantly clear that only those religions that hold the claims of Allah have no compulsion against them. All other religions are to be brought under submission to Allah's truth. That is clearly not a religion that tolerates any others. 🥱🥱

2. That never happened! There is no historical situation, since the time of Mohammed, until now, in which Muslims considered themselves equal citizens of any land with the Jews, especially under Islamic rule. Jews were particularly regarded as Dhimmis(second-class citizens)in pretty much all of the Islamic world, even to this day. 🥱🥱

3. There is no statement made in Surah Al-Maidah regarding violent crimes. The verse, which I have posted several times now, simply states that all those who do not accept Allah and Mohammed are subject to death, maiming, or exile. No need to add ideas to the passage that are not suggested there. 🥱🥱

Seun

Kobojunkie:
1. Surah Al-Baqarah states instead states that, "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the (Allah's) truth stands out clearly from falsehood." Essentially, the passage makes abundantly clear that only those religions that hold the claims of Allah have no compulsion against them. All other religions are to be brought under submission to Allah's truth. That is clearly not a religion that tolerates any others. 🥱🥱

2. That never happened! There is no historical situation, since the time of Mohammed, until now, in which Muslims considered themselves equal citizens of any land with the Jews, especially under Islamic rule. Jews were particularly regarded as Dhimmis(second-class citizens)in pretty much all of the Islamic world, even to this day. 🥱🥱

3. There is no statement made in Surah Al-Maidah regarding violent crimes. The verse, which I have posted several times now, simply states that all those who do not accept Allah and Mohammed are subject to death, maiming, or exile. No need to add ideas to the passage that are not suggested there. 🥱🥱

Seun

Your arguments are based on interpretations that ignore the historical and textual context of the ****.

First, the verse in ** 2:256** clearly states “There is no compulsion in religion.” The verse does not say “no compulsion only for those who already believe.” Classical Islamic scholars explained that faith must be accepted freely because belief forced by coercion has no value before God. That is why historically Jews and Christians continued practicing their religions under Muslim rule instead of being forced to convert.

Second, regarding Jews, history is more complex than the picture you are presenting. Jewish communities lived for centuries under Muslim civilizations such as **** in Islamic Spain and the ****, where they maintained their synagogues, courts, and religious leadership. The term dhimmi referred to a protected minority with legal autonomy in exchange for a tax, which was a common system in pre-modern states. Calling it “second-class” using modern political standards ignores the historical context.

Third, the verse in ** 5:33** does not say that people who simply do not accept Allah and the Prophet must be killed. The verse explicitly refers to those who “wage war against Allah and spread corruption in the land.” Classical scholars understood this as punishment for violent crimes such as armed rebellion, banditry, or terrorism against society — not for ordinary disbelief.

So when these verses are read in their proper context, they are addressing freedom of belief, social order, and criminal justice — not forcing people into Islam. Criticism is fine, but it should be based on accurate readings of the text rather than selective interpretations.

Kobojunkie:
1. Laws that apply to other people do not apply to Mohammedans. That is what Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 32 points to. 🥱🥱

2. Wrong! Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33 does not say any of what you claim. Rather, it insists that all those who are against Allah and Mohammed should be killed or maimed and exiled, which constitutes disgrace in this world and the next. Allah declares death on those who want nothing to do with Allah and Mohammed, aka those who are against or speak out against them. 🥱🥱

3. Wrong! Mohammedans, those whom you regard as extremists, in fact, uphold Allah's words as expressed there in Surah Al-Maidah 5 vs 33. 🥱🥱

4. These leaps of yours are clearly against the content of Surah Al-Maidah. Allah calls for the death, crucifixion, maiming, and/or exiling of those who are against Allah and Mohammed, as is written. 🥱🥱
Seun

You are still mixing verses that discuss the sanctity of life with verses that describe legal punishment for violent crimes, and that is where the misunderstanding is coming from.

First, in ** 5:32**, the **** emphasizes the value of human life by stating that killing one innocent person is like killing all humanity. The verse mentions the Children of Israel because it refers to an earlier ruling given to them, but the Qur'an presents it as a moral lesson about the gravity of unjust killing.

Then 5:33 moves to a completely different subject: punishment for those who “wage war against Allah and spread corruption in the land.” Classical scholars understood this as referring to violent criminals such as armed bandits, rebels, or those who terrorize society. In Islamic law this crime is known as ****, which is essentially violent banditry or terrorism against the public.

So the verse is not talking about ordinary non-Muslims or people who simply disagree with Islam. It is describing the punishment for people who commit severe violent crimes against society.

Regarding ****, his commentary does not claim that only Muslim lives matter. Islamic teachings clearly forbid killing innocent people, including non-Muslims who live peacefully or who are under protection. There are authentic narrations from **** warning that anyone who kills a protected non-Muslim unjustly will face severe accountability.

So when the verses are read in their full context, they are addressing the seriousness of unjust killing and the punishment for violent crime, not saying that only Muslim lives are valuable.

hassinho707:
➜...So when these verses are read in their proper context, they are addressing freedom of belief, social order, and criminal justice — not forcing people into Islam. Criticism is fine, but it should be based on accurate readings of the text rather than selective interpretations.

It is draining the way you continue to deny the information literally presented in each of the verses...even after the other verses that are in the same context are present to help you...

Anyways, the internet has made at least 32 different versions of the Quran available to anyone out there willing to read. And we all know that the true Mohammedans are not those of you who claim you are moderates, but rather those we refer to as fundamentalists, the terrorists as well. Islam, from Mohammed's very own example, was never designed as the peaceful religion we are being gaslighted into believing today, and never was. 🥱

Kobojunkie:
It is draining the way you continue to deny the information literally presented in each of the verses...even after the other verses that are in the same context are present to help you...

Anyways, the internet has made at least 32 different versions of the Quran available to anyone out there willing to read. And we all know that the true Mohammedans are not those of you who claim you are moderates, but rather those we refer to as fundamentalists, the terrorists as well. Islam, from Mohammed's very own example, was never designed as the peaceful religion we are being gaslighted into believing today, and never was. 🥱

No one is denying what the verses say. The issue is that verses must be read in their full context, not isolated and given a meaning the text itself does not support.

For example, in the **, ** 5:33 explicitly describes people who “wage war and spread corruption in the land.” That is clearly describing violent criminals who attack society, not ordinary people who simply follow another religion.

Your second claim about “32 different Qurans” is also a common misunderstanding. Muslims use the same Arabic Qur'an worldwide. What you are referring to are different translations into English and other languages not different scriptures. Even in the earliest manuscripts the Arabic text has remained the same.

Finally, judging a religion of nearly two billion people only by extremists is not a fair standard. By that logic, any religion could be defined by the actions of its worst followers. The teachings of **** include clear instructions against killing innocent people and against injustice.

Criticism and discussion are fine, but they should be based on accurate information and proper context, not on internet talking points that misrepresent the text.

sonmvayina:
Because it is idolatry, Everything God forbids in his laws is what Christianity is built on.....

Yes Christians are just doing the opposite of their religion I stand with ISESE

@ Ironfaceman, the following is in response to your post, "Does The Koran Support Terrorism?"

First, please pick up or download a copy of "A Two-Hour Koran (A Taste of Islam)" and "Sharia Law for Non-Muslims (A Taste of Islam)", both by Bill Maher, if you are not versed on what the Quran and Hadiths say on any subject. These are condensed, unbiased documents to help you and anyone who wishes to know about Islam. 🥱🥱

Nairaland seems to hate it when one tries to post facts about Islam. That much I have come to realize at this point. So, to honestly answer your question, I would suggest that you pick up the books above and try to read through them for yourself. The first book contains at least 100 references commanding violence against those who are not Mohammedans. And the second book details the conquests carried out by the founder of the political system that is Islam, all under a period of about 23 years, against people who did not care for his ideology. 🥱🥱

The primary reason why those who claim to be moderate in their beliefs do not speak out against the atrocities is that they understand that even that aspect that they do not engage in is part and parcel of their very belief system. 🥱🥱

Seun