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For thousands of years, people have told women: “Childbirth is painful because of Eve’s sin.” The Bible says it. The story of Eden says it. But here’s the truth: it’s a myth. A story meant to explain something humans didn’t understand.

Pain in childbirth isn’t punishment. It’s biology.

Humans have big brains. Our babies’ heads are huge compared to our pelvis. Our pelvis is narrow to help us walk upright. The result? Labor is physically tough. Pain is inevitable. Every contraction, every strain, every scream., that is your body navigating a tight passage.

Animals feel pain during birth too. Cows, horses, lions, primates, they all experience it. If we say it is because of the curse on eve, does it mean that the animals also ate the forbidden fruit?

Pain is universal, not selective. It’s not about sin. It’s about survival. Pain triggers the body to release hormones, coordinate contractions, bond with the baby, and alert others for help. Pain saves lives.

The Eden story says women were cursed after eating a fruit. But research shows that painful labor existed long before any story of Eve. Upright posture, large heads, small birth canals, these are facts, not fables. There’s no “pre-Eden painless childbirth.” There’s only biology.

Understanding this changes everything: pain is natural. It’s functional. And we no longer have to attach guilt or moral judgment to it. Modern medicine exists not to “erase sin,” but to make birth safer and less excruciating.

Childbirth pain isn’t a curse. It’s the cost of being human. The Eden story is a myth. The truth? Biology made you strong, not guilty.

Lojical1:
For thousands of years, people have told women: “Childbirth is painful because of Eve’s sin.” The Bible says it. The story of Eden says it. But here’s the truth: it’s a myth. A story meant to explain something humans didn’t understand.

Pain in childbirth isn’t punishment. It’s biology.

Humans have big brains. Our babies’ heads are huge compared to our pelvis. Our pelvis is narrow to help us walk upright. The result? Labor is physically tough. Pain is inevitable. Every contraction, every strain, every scream., that is your body navigating a tight passage.

Animals feel pain during birth too. Cows, horses, lions, primates, they all experience it. If we say it is because of the curse on eve, does it mean that the animals also ate the forbidden fruit?

Pain is universal, not selective. It’s not about sin. It’s about survival. Pain triggers the body to release hormones, coordinate contractions, bond with the baby, and alert others for help. Pain saves lives.

The Eden story says women were cursed after eating a fruit. But research shows that painful labor existed long before any story of Eve. Upright posture, large heads, small birth canals, these are facts, not fables. There’s no “pre-Eden painless childbirth.” There’s only biology.

Understanding this changes everything: pain is natural. It’s functional. And we no longer have to attach guilt or moral judgment to it. Modern medicine exists not to “erase sin,” but to make birth safer and less excruciating.

Childbirth pain isn’t a curse. It’s the cost of being human. The Eden story is a myth. The truth? Biology made you strong, not guilty.

So how did the first man and woman appear?

Truthseeker10:
So how did the first man and woman appear?

Appear?

Is this a Nigerian movie.

How else did you expect it to be if not natural?

Lojical1:
For thousands of years, people have told women: “Childbirth is painful because of Eve’s sin.” The Bible says it. The story of Eden says it. But here’s the truth: it’s a myth. A story meant to explain something humans didn’t understand.

Pain in childbirth isn’t punishment. It’s biology.

Humans have big brains. Our babies’ heads are huge compared to our pelvis. Our pelvis is narrow to help us walk upright. The result? Labor is physically tough. Pain is inevitable. Every contraction, every strain, every scream., that is your body navigating a tight passage.

Animals feel pain during birth too. Cows, horses, lions, primates, they all experience it. If we say it is because of the curse on eve, does it mean that the animals also ate the forbidden fruit?

Pain is universal, not selective. It’s not about sin. It’s about survival. Pain triggers the body to release hormones, coordinate contractions, bond with the baby, and alert others for help. Pain saves lives.

The Eden story says women were cursed after eating a fruit. But research shows that painful labor existed long before any story of Eve. Upright posture, large heads, small birth canals, these are facts, not fables. There’s no “pre-Eden painless childbirth.” There’s only biology.

Understanding this changes everything: pain is natural. It’s functional. And we no longer have to attach guilt or moral judgment to it. Modern medicine exists not to “erase sin,” but to make birth safer and less excruciating.

Childbirth pain isn’t a curse. It’s the cost of being human. The Eden story is a myth. The truth? Biology made you strong, not guilty.

I love your write-up but I would love you to throw more light on something you wrote.
These were your words.
But research shows that painful labor existed long before any story of Eve.
Please, can you provide links to the research papers?
Thanks

Lojical1:
Appear?

Is this a Nigerian movie.

How did the first man and woman come into existence?

Truthseeker10:
How did the first man and woman come into existence?

Our first ancestors were formed from clay on the Divine Porters Wheel.

tctrills:
I love your write-up but I would love you to throw more light on something you wrote.
These were your words.
But research shows that painful labor existed long before any story of Eve.
Please, can you provide links to the research papers?
Thanks

Yes.
Childbirth pain is explained by two main factors:

1. Humans walk upright, which narrows the pelvis.
2. Humans have large brains, which means large baby heads.
This 2 combination makes birth mechanically difficult.

Key research:
¶ Rosenberg and Trevathan, “The Evolution of Human Birth,” Scientific American, 2002.

¶Dunsworth et al., Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2012.

Fossils show early human already had pelvic structures consistent with difficult labor aeons ago, that predates the Genesis story by a very long time. So pain in childbirth is anatomical, not moral

Aaronsrod:
Our first ancestors were formed from clay on the Divine Porters Wheel.

source of this information?

Lojical1:
Yes.
Childbirth pain is explained by two main factors:

1. Humans walk upright, which narrows the pelvis.
2. Humans have large brains, which means large baby heads.
This 2 combination makes birth mechanically difficult.

Key research:
¶ Rosenberg and Trevathan, “The Evolution of Human Birth,” Scientific American, 2002.

¶Dunsworth et al., Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2012.

Fossils show early human already had pelvic structures consistent with difficult labor aeons ago, that predates the Genesis story by a very long time. So pain in childbirth is anatomical, not moral

Sir you realize that you did not provide links to the resources you mentioned.
Again do these resources show or state the date God cursed the woman. with the pain of labour? How did the above researchers figure out the day God cursed.
If you are saying that labour pain predates Moses receiving the revelation in Genesis, that's one thing but it seems you are saying something else.
Please the papers you mentioned, do they indicate the timeline of the curse so we can compare with the science of labour pains.

Also, I did some research and I would love you to explain these.

In a survey from France in 2021, about 25 % of women reported feeling no pain at the moment the baby’s head emerged, even without pain medication. This is a specific phase of labour, not the whole process.

In broader statistics (e.g., Australia 2020 data), about 20.5 % of women did not use any pain relief during labour — but not using pain relief doesn’t mean they felt no pain. Many still experienced pain, just without analgesia

Most studies on childbirth pain show that the overwhelming majority of women do feel significant pain at some point during labour unless effective pain relief (like epidural anesthesia) is used. One medical overview suggests that in places like France, about 98 % of women report moderate to severe pain during delivery.

What this means

Truly painless labour without any medical anesthesia is relatively uncommon.

Estimates of women who feel no pain at all at any point during childbirth (without analgesia) are likely well below 25 % and often much lower when considering the entire labor process, not just one moment.

Some women may experience reduced pain or very manageable sensations due to rapid labor, high pain tolerance, or physiological differences, but these cases are not the norm.

Lojical1:
Yes.
Childbirth pain is explained by two main factors:

1. Humans walk upright, which narrows the pelvis.
2. Humans have large brains, which means large baby heads.
This 2 combination makes birth mechanically difficult.

Key research:
¶ Rosenberg and Trevathan, “The Evolution of Human Birth,” Scientific American, 2002.

¶Dunsworth et al., Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2012.

Fossils show early human already had pelvic structures consistent with difficult labor aeons ago, that predates the Genesis story by a very long time. So pain in childbirth is anatomical, not moral

Quite apt 👏

tctrills:
Sir you realize that you did not provide links to the resources you mentioned.
Again do these resources show or state the date God cursed the woman. with the pain of labour? How did the above researchers figure out the day God cursed.
If you are saying that labour pain predates Moses receiving the revelation in Genesis, that's one thing but it seems you are saying something else.
Please the papers you mentioned, do they indicate the timeline of the curse so we can compare with the science of labour pains.

Also, I did some research and I would love you to explain these.

In a survey from France in 2021, about 25 % of women reported feeling no pain at the moment the baby’s head emerged, even without pain medication. This is a specific phase of labour, not the whole process.

In broader statistics (e.g., Australia 2020 data), about 20.5 % of women did not use any pain relief during labour — but not using pain relief doesn’t mean they felt no pain. Many still experienced pain, just without analgesia

Most studies on childbirth pain show that the overwhelming majority of women do feel significant pain at some point during labour unless effective pain relief (like epidural anesthesia) is used. One medical overview suggests that in places like France, about 98 % of women report moderate to severe pain during delivery.

What this means

Truly painless labour without any medical anesthesia is relatively uncommon.

Estimates of women who feel no pain at all at any point during childbirth (without analgesia) are likely well below 25 % and often much lower when considering the entire labor process, not just one moment.

Some women may experience reduced pain or very manageable sensations due to rapid labor, high pain tolerance, or physiological differences, but these cases are not the norm.

And here comes the typical gish gallop when claims are shown to be empty. Typical.

Lojical1:
Yes.
Childbirth pain is explained by two main factors:

1. Humans walk upright, which narrows the pelvis.
2. Humans have large brains, which means large baby heads.
This 2 combination makes birth mechanically difficult.

Do you real eyes that you are talking rubbish and that your answer is like saying that in those days yansch dey for back?

2) are babies born with big brains?

Lucifyre:
And here comes the typical gish gallop when claims are shown to be empty. Typical.

There is no gish gal here. He only made one or two points so, you or him can refute it if you think you can

Lojical1:
Fossils show early human already had pelvic structures consistent with difficult labor aeons ago, that predates the Genesis story by a very long time. So pain in childbirth is anatomical, not moral

And this one is Hear say

tctrills:
Sir you realize that you did not provide links to the resources you mentioned.
Again do these resources show or state the date God cursed the woman. with the pain of labour? How did the above researchers figure out the day God cursed.
If you are saying that labour pain predates Moses receiving the revelation in Genesis, that's one thing but it seems you are saying something else.
Please the papers you mentioned, do they indicate the timeline of the curse so we can compare with the science of labour pains.

Also, I did some research and I would love you to explain these.

In a survey from France in 2021, about 25 % of women reported feeling no pain at the moment the baby’s head emerged, even without pain medication. This is a specific phase of labour, not the whole process.

In broader statistics (e.g., Australia 2020 data), about 20.5 % of women did not use any pain relief during labour — but not using pain relief doesn’t mean they felt no pain. Many still experienced pain, just without analgesia

Most studies on childbirth pain show that the overwhelming majority of women do feel significant pain at some point during labour unless effective pain relief (like epidural anesthesia) is used. One medical overview suggests that in places like France, about 98 % of women report moderate to severe pain during delivery.

What this means

Truly painless labour without any medical anesthesia is relatively uncommon.

Estimates of women who feel no pain at all at any point during childbirth (without analgesia) are likely well below 25 % and often much lower when considering the entire labor process, not just one moment.

Some women may experience reduced pain or very manageable sensations due to rapid labor, high pain tolerance, or physiological differences, but these cases are not the norm.

And you expect me to take you serious. You just finished saying that i didn’t give any link yet you went ahead to do same thing you complain. The worst is that you now gave me a copy and paste work from an AI chat bot.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you real eyes that you are talking rubbish and that your answer is like saying that in those days yansch dey for back?

2) are babies born with big brains?

If you disagree, point to evidence. Insults are not arguments, it shows how crude you are.

And Yes. Compared to body size, human babies have very large brains. A newborn human brain is about 25 percent of its adult size. That is huge compared to most mammals at birth.

More importantly, the baby’s head is large relative to the mother’s birth canal in labor.

For comparison:
• Human newborn head circumference averages about 34 to 35 cm.
• The human pelvis is narrow because we walk upright.
This tight fit is why labor is difficult and painful.
Chimpanzee babies, for example, pass through the birth canal more easily because their head to pelvis ratio is different. This is not opinion. It is basic anatomy studied in comparative biology and obstetrics.

Lojical1:
And you expect me to take you serious. You just finished saying that i didn’t give any link yet you went ahead to do same thing you complain. The worst is that you now gave me a copy and paste work from an AI chat bot.

No problem, I will give you links so calm down.
Here are some peer reviewed papers

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35608876/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8835069/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Now it's up to you

Point is, painless labour is a thing even though the percentage is very small.

The human head is big no doubt but painless labour is a possibility. The question remain, when did labour pains begin? Was it before or after the curse.

Your argument is that it began before the curse and I am hoping that you can prove it showing timelines.

Your topics states
Childbirth Pain: Nature, Not A Curse
What if it is both?
How do I mean?
If there is a God, then He is the God or the creator of nature.

I just want you to show how you came to know that the first woman was not cursed to have pains at childbirth.

tctrills:
No problem, I will give you links so calm down.
Here are some peer reviewed papers

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35608876/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8835069/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Now it's up to you

Point is, painless labour is a thing even though the percentage is very small.

The human head is big no doubt but painless labour is a possibility. The question remain, when did labour pains begin? Was it before or after the curse.

Your argument is that it began before the curse and I am hoping that you can prove it showing timelines.

Your topics states
Childbirth Pain: Nature, Not A Curse
What if it is both?
How do I mean?
If there is a God, then He is the God or the creator of nature.

I just want you to show how you came to know that the first woman was not cursed to have pains at childbirth.

A this argument just to force a conclusion that the story of biblical curse on eve is true.

Lojical1:
A this argument just to force a conclusion that the story of biblical curse on eve is true.

That would be a foolish argument to make with you.
I believe when you created this post, you were open to questions and discussion. Please don't be so defensive.

I only want to know how you came about your conclusions. Just present your timeline.

The argument that the first woman was not cursed, is your opinion and belief or is it rooted in science? That's what I am digging at.

I have no problem if it is just your opinion.

Truthseeker10:
So how did the first man and woman appear?

i think there were different groups of human created.....The igbo creation myth said 8, ......

tctrills:
That would be a foolish argument to make with you.
I believe when you created this post, you were open to questions and discussion. Please don't be so defensive.

I only want to know how you came about your conclusions. Just present your timeline.

The argument that the first woman was not cursed, is your opinion and belief or is it rooted in science? That's what I am digging at.

I have no problem if it is just your opinion.

the author of the book of genesis just wove a story around a known fact.
we were told a thousand of those while growing up,
i was told why the tortoise shell is rough, i know if that story was in the bible too, you would believe it as fact...

Lojical1:
Childbirth pain isn’t a curse. It’s the cost of being human. The Eden story is a myth. The truth? Biology made you strong, not guilty.

Thank you jàre but i believe the Bible o whatever you think about Eve's curse is your own personal opinion!🙂

sonmvayina:
the author of the book of genesis just wove a story around a known fact.
we were told a thousand of those while growing up,
i was told why the tortoise shell is rough, i know if that story was in the bible too, you would believe it as fact...

So your argument is that every story you were told growing up is false? Anyway, that's not even the topic here.

Lojical1:
If you disagree, point to evidence. Insults are not arguments, it shows how crude you are.

And Yes. Compared to body size, human babies have very large brains. A newborn human brain is about 25 percent of its adult size. That is huge compared to most mammals at birth.

More importantly, the baby’s head is large relative to the mother’s birth canal in labor.

For comparison:
• Human newborn head circumference averages about 34 to 35 cm.
• The human pelvis is narrow because we walk upright.
This tight fit is why labor is difficult and painful.
Chimpanzee babies, for example, pass through the birth canal more easily because their head to pelvis ratio is different. This is not opinion. It is basic anatomy studied in comparative biology and obstetrics.

I did not insalt you. I only pointed out that your argument is simply saying "yansch dey for back".

So, you are saying that these sweet little babies that we see and hold even with one arm like these ones
https://www.nairaland.com/2524054/cute-baby-pictures#36927938

Their brains are so big and large like their body?

Not to talk of the fallacy you now added of comparing babies brain to non human things.

And remember this is just my second counter. You could not address my counter which is "How else did you expect it to be if not natural?

In all these, you did not show how childbirth was before the curse, so how can you say it is not a curse?

Lojical1:
A this argument just to force a conclusion that the story of biblical curse on eve is true.

Is it not already True? Do women not already suffer the curse of barrenness and death in child birth/pain in childbirth that there are not enough maternity hospitals?

tctrills:
So your argument is that every story you were told growing up is false? Anyway, that's not even the topic here.

The stories are all allegories not actual history. We are meant to read it and learn the message they contain or teach.

sonmvayina:
The stories are all allegories not actual history. We are meant to read it and learn the message they contain or teach.

That's your opinion. I can't argue with your opinion.
So according to you, Abraham never existed, Moses, Isaiah, Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul are not actual historic figures. I can't argue with an opinion.

Do you also think Alexander the great is not an actual person?

tctrills:
That's your opinion. I can't argue with your opinion.
So according to you, Abraham never existed, Moses, Isaiah, Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul are not actual historic figures. I can't argue with an opinion.

Do you also think Alexander the great is not an actual person?

He might be/he might not be, doesn't really concern me.
but when it comes to religious scriptures I know better.
Abraham,Moses Jesus Christ, Peter Paul are all allegorical figures, they are all characters in a story. we were never meant to believe but to know. to know the spiritual message in the stories. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life...
God is the universal divine consciousness...not a Jewish man up in the sky. God is the universe, and we are the universe expressing itself as us..

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not already True? Do women not already suffer the curse of barrenness and death in child birth/pain in childbirth that there are not enough maternity hospitals?

It's a biological reality.

Remember, the ancients don't have science so the best way ti explain this was to use stories and myths to explain why things happen like that. But that doesn't make the stories true, they just try to make sense of reality.

Lojical1:
It's a biological reality.

Remember, the ancients don't have science so the best way ti explain this was to use stories and myths to explain why things happen like that. But that doesn't make the stories true, they just try to make sense of reality.

Who told the ancients did not have science? Does the history of science not start with the ancients? And all these maternity things today are they not built on the science of the ancients?

All, in all both your ancients and modern are still struggling against God's curs to the point now that it is even worser today. Who heard of buying babies in the 70's/80's?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who told the ancients did not have science? Does the history of science not start with the ancients? And all these maternity things today are they not built on the science of the ancients?

All, in all both your ancients and modern are still struggling against God's curs to the point now that it is even worser today. Who heard of buying babies in the 70's/80's?

What ancients?

Thinking that diseases are caused by demons?

Mental health issues as people being possessed?

There are actually interesting discovering in ancient time but don't try to twist reality just to support religious claims that's intellectual dishonesty.