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Lexusgs430:
Unfortunately, with the current polarisation in British political environment, in no distant future. Labour and Conservatives, would pale into insignificance and Green + Reform, would become 1 & 2......

Interesting decades ahead (unless they start working harder than usual, to claw back all their lost glories...... 🙄

Baba even if them use Viagra on those lost glories, E no fit glory again 🤣🤣🤣.
The genie is out already. The politics around the world is now too radical especially. Things would only get worse for mainstream political parties and

Goke7:
Thought to share


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlP0b-aH1_s?si=ZGg0Z8N6LSX5A0q_

@Jedisco this might be of interest!

Nice video. Dem fit dey this thread sef

Issue is main data source they discussed was based on self-reported surveys by Ohent Pay- a money transfer company.
First thing is that these surveys are not backed by verifiable data. I understand this is quite difficult - even some census data is self-reported. While most people would and should tell the truth, quite a few aren't bothered. I know people who when they come across such just put in an arbitrary number. When asked that in Canada, I don't know where to start.

Also, many people have moved on from Ohent Pay so by numbers, I wonder how robust this is. They were quite analog and slow but used to have quite competitive rates which brought people in. With time, the likes of Lemfi beat them on rates with a sleek app too.
Lastly, these surveys are usually done at the point of signup and hardly updated.

All said, good point were raised and I think the actual fact isnt far off. Like where he listed the 'stages of development' as one carries on

Goke7:
😂 Omo see gaslighting

https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2027338096526643553?s=46&t=tk-1hGRx-HBpOmsos8uccA

Multiracial vs Multicultural OMG!

Kemi the preacher.. hehe. She don see Right wey pass far-Right.

Thank God for Greens. They and Reform abi Restore may help safeguard things.

jedisco:
Kemi the preacher.. hehe. She don see Right wey pass far-Right.

Thank God for Greens. They and Reform abi Restore may help safeguard things.

Kemi total vote in next general election may not be up to 50k. 90% whites wont vote her and 99% immigrants won't vote her.

jedisco:
Kemi the preacher.. hehe. She don see Right wey pass far-Right.

Thank God for Greens. They and Reform abi Restore may help safeguard things.

I can understand Reform and Labour suggesting that “sectarianism” was the reason for their loss, even though Reform has been campaigning there for quite some time.

I’m not sure that excuse works for Kemi, though, considering her party managed only about 700 votes out of a possible 40,000+.

Kemi added more damage to that party when she took on the role with what “Nigel-lite” behaviour at the start. Fortunately for her, there are always different excuses available when the party performs poorly.

The Tories are watching the complete rot of their “banana”, while Kemi is telling them it’s simply a sign that the “banana” is ripening.

Cyberknight:
Maybe time for Labour to consider enacting prop. rep. to save their skins. On the other hand, prop. rep. will defo bring us to continental-style instability and Farage's merry band will swell considerably in Westminster. Or they could just smartly move a little leftwards to Burnham and Rayner territory and try their luck there. As an expatriate in the UK I'm hoping for the latter.

Well done to the Greens, but I don't see their brand of kookish loony leftism getting into power, as disaffected as the younger generation and other demographics may be.

Your party by Corbyn will be next better alternative to green party when everyone knows green manifesto

jedisco:
Nice video. Dem fit dey this thread sef

Issue is main data source they discussed was based on self-reported surveys by Ohent Pay- a money transfer company.
First thing is that these surveys are not backed by verifiable data. I understand this is quite difficult - even some census data is self-reported. While most people would and should tell the truth, quite a few aren't bothered. I know people who when they come across such just put in an arbitrary number. When asked that in Canada, I don't know where to start.

Also, many people have moved on from Ohent Pay so by numbers, I wonder how robust this is. They were quite analog and slow but used to have quite competitive rates which brought people in. With time, the likes of Lemfi beat them on rates with a sleek app too.
Lastly, these surveys are usually done at the point of signup and hardly updated.

All said, good point were raised and I think the actual fact isnt far off. Like where he listed the 'stages of development' as one carries on

Yeah to be honest it will be difficult to obtain such updated data. Only the govt can with their various legal touch points with residents so it’s understandable. I think they enumerate most things we can all relate to! I like how the guy himself was honest with the struggles his own parents had when they came in as immigrants in the uk. He’s also very much in touch with reality back home too and from his other videos he speaks about the financial and pension implications of immigrating from the uk or back home as he has another nice video on this breaking down the various countries the uk has pension arrangements with and the ones they don’t.

jedisco:
Kemi the preacher.. hehe. She don see Right wey pass far-Right.

Thank God for Greens. They and Reform abi Restore may help safeguard things.

The Greens may just be a party many immigrants may just waste their votes on intentionally but I just hope they too won’t be hijacked by far right mongers with the way the mainstream parties were hijacked.

abuhusna1:
Kemi total vote in next general election may not be up to 50k. 90% whites wont vote her and 99% immigrants won't vote her.

Hehe.. they still have areas they control though things are looking dire.

They lost good parts of the south to the LibDems with their move to the right and it's quite clear that most Labour strongholds would rather go Green or even Reform than vote them.

I wonder what story she'd sell to electorates now. Anti-migrant talk which has traditionally been the low-hanging fruit has now been cordoned off by the far right. It's become clear that no matter what hate she wants to spread, Reform would take it much higher than she can dire to go. If she says legal migrants need 30 years to ILR, Reform would say people like her are not even Brits. She has to now sell her rhetoric and at thesame time explain why what Reform is offering is too extreme.

I suspect they'd pivot and now look to sell themselves on economic competence.

Next few years would be good to watch.

Memorychip:
The Tories are watching the complete rot of their “banana”, while Kemi is telling them it’s simply a sign that the “banana” is ripening.

Lol... una no go kill person for here. Make una leave Kemi... who knows, she might evenvisit Nairaland on occasions to see what 'bottom-wipers' are up to.

The media are increasingly treating Reform as the defacto opposition. The far-right members of her party are even leaving her behind. Let's see what her new narrative would be

Goke7:
Yeah to be honest it will be difficult to obtain such updated data. Only the govt can with their various legal touch points with residents so it’s understandable. I think they enumerate most things we can all relate to! I like how the guy himself was honest with the struggles his own parents had when they came in as immigrants in the uk. He’s also very much in touch with reality back home too and from his other videos he speaks about the financial and pension implications of immigrating from the uk or back home as he has another nice video on this breaking down the various countries the uk has pension arrangements with and the ones they don’t.

Interesting. Even government data needs multiple touchpoints and need to factor in wealth which is also more difficult to track. Though a minority, a good one is for people who earn via their corp. One can earn 100k and if their total salary and dividends is say 20k, that becomes their income.

Black tax is a huge deal. One does look back and wonder. They sound like they extricated themselves out of it. Kudos to them though.

jedisco:
Hehe.. they still have areas they control though things are looking dire.

They lost good parts of the south to the LibDems with their move to the right and it's quite clear that most Labour strongholds would rather go Green or even Reform than vote them.

I wonder what story she'd sell to electorates now. Anti-migrant talk which has traditionally been the low-hanging fruit has now been cordoned off by the far right. It's become clear that no matter what hate she wants to spread, Reform would take it much higher than she can dire to go. If she says legal migrants need 30 years to ILR, Reform would say people like her are not even Brits. She has to now sell her rhetoric and at thesame time explain why what Reform is offering is too extreme.

I suspect they'd pivot and now look to sell themselves on economic competence.

Next few years would be good to watch.

Labour and Torries just messed up themselves thinking they can compete with reform on far right ideologies now that restore Britain has joined the fray we now have four parties competing on who is more British than the other. Just a bunch of jokers 😂 honestly I never imagined politicians here can be so stupid. The other day Braverman was trying to support the billionaire that said migrants has colonised the uk someone had to remind her she is one of the people the billionaire was referring to! The whole arena has become a mess and still no one is trying to say something different

abuhusna1:
Your party by Corbyn will be next better alternative to green party when everyone knows green manifesto

Ha ha ha ha 🤣

Your Party is going nowhere. Corbyn's window in front line politics is over. His co founder ,Zarah S, is a seen as divisive and unlikeable by most and the rest of the party is a medley of independents with a similar idealogy to the Greens - socialism bordering on communism and sectarianism.

When supporters become more aware of the Green's "radical" manifesto, they will either hold their noses and vote for them (and plan to use them as a Trojan horse) or run back to Labour/Libdems.

Maybe Mr Polanski (not his real name) has the right idea afterall. He wants to cut ties with our long standing allies, the US and NATO, and instead move closer to South America e.g. Brazil and Mexico

It sounded looney at first, but in light of Trump's monthly wars, maybe we should actually tell him we don't want to be his friend anymore....🚶

Zahra29:
Maybe Mr Polanski (not his real name) has the right idea afterall. He wants to cut ties with our long standing allies, the US and NATO, and instead move closer to South America e.g. Brazil and Mexico

It sounded looney at first, but in light of Trump's monthly wars, maybe we should actually tell him we don't want to be his friend anymore....🚶

Long over due, we reset after 3yrs.

Goke7:
The Greens may just be a party many immigrants may just waste their votes on intentionally but I just hope they too won’t be hijacked by far right mongers with the way the mainstream parties were hijacked.

I'm curious though, why did you use the word 'waste'?

Raalsalghul:
I'm curious though, why did you use the word 'waste'?

First past the post system. Results in "wasted" votes and a final outcome that's not necessarily representative of the support the various parties have among the electorate.

Hello everyone, does anyone in Manchester or London need a childminder for 3 months? Or if you know someone

Preferably Nigerian family please.

Raalsalghul:
I'm curious though, why did you use the word 'waste'?

Waste in quote means knowing the votes may not make much impact in the final outcome but indeed it may reduce the chance or probability of the party you don’t want having the majority or a better outing

sharkdodo14:
Hello everyone, does anyone in Manchester or London need a childminder for 3 months? Or if you know someone

Preferably Nigerian family please.

Yes but from May/June

Family lives near Croydon. Please DM me if this is of interest. Thank you

Karikoru:
Yes but from May/June

Family lives near Croydon. Please DM me if this is of interest. Thank you

Oh no, she is only available from March. Thanks anyway.

Hehehe.. Good move just like the lawsuit against Trumps tarrifs

Who knows how to sign-up? 25k raised is still on the lower end though but should begin the process and grow with time.

https://archive.is/Byz6b

Talking about Trumps tarrifs, just learned that the new blanket 10-15% he introduced was via another section in the law after the U.S supreme court rendered most of the previous ones illegal as the section of the law they were based on was not meant to be for such. Every nation is now on thesame tarrif including our U.K which gave Trump an 'unprecedented second state visit' to appease him and China wey no send am.

Also, the section of law he bases his new tarrifs on only gives a 5 month limit. I wonder what he does after 5 months..

Where does that leave the UK deal Starmer kowtowed (abi worked) so hard to get?

Finally... why do I have the feeling the next anti-migrant rhetoric would be someone driving the narrative of how migrants from commonwealth nations can vote almost as soon as they arrive the UK. Why should they be allowed to vote? Afterall.... Saudi Arabia does not allow such.

I'm still surprised Reform and Restore have not latched unto this. This is the demographic least likely to vote for them. Just like with most things migration, it's likely they're unaware.

jedisco:
Hehehe.. Good move just like the lawsuit against Trumps tarrifs

Who knows how to sign-up? 25k raised is still on the lower end though but should begin the process and grow with time.

https://archive.is/Byz6b

This is a better and proactive move than all the endless surveys, debates and petition.

Also people actually want to give more but they closed the funding page and said that the 25k is just what's needed for this phase.

jedisco:
Finally... why do I have the feeling the next anti-migrant rhetoric would be someone driving the narrative of how migrants from commonwealth nations can vote almost as soon as they arrive the UK. Why should they be allowed to vote? Afterall.... Saudi Arabia does not allow such.

I'm still surprised Reform and Restore have not latched unto this. This is the demographic least likely to vote for them. Just like with most things migration, it's likely they're unaware.

Er... it appears they are.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/reform-uk-would-limit-polls-to-british-citizens-and-scale-back-postal-votes-5HjdTfd_2/

jedisco:
Hehehe.. Good move just like the lawsuit against Trumps tarrifs

Who knows how to sign-up? 25k raised is still on the lower end though but should begin the process and grow with time.

https://archive.is/Byz6b

Much as I'm not yet a permanent resident myself and would rather the old rules remained in place, I would be very surprised if this goes anywhere in today's febrile climate. Apart from paying some smart barrister's bills for a while. Not only does it smack of entitlement, but also I think public opinion would be firmly against unelected judges gutting an elected government's policy of this magnitude and salience (if Labour doesn't do a U-turn in this matter in the first place and secondly, ultimately only amends the Immigration Rules by SI).

Incidentally, the Grauniad, the FT and the rest of the progressive media have been recently running articles about how the fall in net migration will negatively affect the economy, bless their hearts, but it's quite clear now that the immigration debate has moved firmly into the political realm and any other arguments, including economic arguments, whether actually substantiated or not, no longer carry any weight.

jedisco:
Talking about Trumps tarrifs, just learned that the new blanket 10-15% he introduced was via another section in the law after the U.S supreme court rendered most of the previous ones illegal as the section of the law they were based on was not meant to be for such. Every nation is now on thesame tarrif including our U.K which gave Trump an 'unprecedented second state visit' to appease him and China wey no send am.

Also, the section of law he bases his new tarrifs on only gives a 5 month limit. I wonder what he does after 5 months..

Where does that leave the UK deal Starmer kowtowed (abi worked) so hard to get?

😂 it’s just like Ghana who accepted to allow deportees from the US to escape the earlier visa ban Nigeria got who rejected to accept deportees but still ended up on the 75 nation ban list! The man in the White House no send you even if you give him your father’s house!

Cyberknight:
Er... it appears they are.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/reform-uk-would-limit-polls-to-british-citizens-and-scale-back-postal-votes-5HjdTfd_2/

Seriously I doubt it will make any difference as most commonwealth citizens are not even aware they can vote and when they are aware many don’t actually participate. This is just an excuse to continue to rile up the base as usual. For starters what’s even the figures if we also add EU citizens that are residents (as so many exited after Brexit) that could actually impact the outcome in any major election reason I stated earlier about the concept of wasted votes!

abuhusna1:
Your party by Corbyn will be next better alternative to green party when everyone knows green manifesto

Maybe, but in the public mind, there's no difference between anything at all Corbyn is selling and the Green Party.

Zahra29:
Maybe Mr Polanski (not his real name) has the right idea afterall. He wants to cut ties with our long standing allies, the US and NATO, and instead move closer to South America e.g. Brazil and Mexico

It sounded looney at first, but in light of Trump's monthly wars, maybe we should actually tell him we don't want to be his friend anymore....🚶

The US may have evolved into a frenemy, but the UK has nothing at all to gain from divorcing NATO, especially given the fact that the French nuclear deterrent is independent unlike the UK's.

Goke7:
Seriously I doubt it will make any difference as most commonwealth citizens are not even aware they can vote and when they are aware many don’t actually participate. This is just an excuse to continue to rile up the base as usual. For starters what’s even the figures if we also add EU citizens that are residents (as so many exited after Brexit) that could actually impact the outcome in any major election reason I stated earlier about the concept of wasted votes!

I've no opinion either way as to the weight or number of potential or actual Commonwealth voters in the UK - just mentioned in response to the earlier post that Reform has indeed taken official notice of this. And while I find the concept of actually casting a free and fair vote exhilarating, given where we come from, I wouldn't care if the government took away this right from Commonwealth citizens - it is indeed somewhat unjustifiable from a UK citizen stanpoint.

Ultimately, it's another of Farage's ways to shift the discourse to topics so he can control the narrative, such that Labour will be forced to take notice and possibly have to be seen to be doing something as per usual. Cf. the student loans discourse, for instance.