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MaxInDHouse:
You don't even understand what it means to DISASSOCIATE oneself.
Paul was a missionary that Jesus sent to go from one country to another {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} to help faithful Judaists become Christians in different places and to build congregations.
So according to God's word did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from other faithful Christians?🙂

Ọmọ read what you quoted again:

But when God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through his undeserved kindness, thought good to reveal his Son through me so that I might declare the good news about him to the nations, I did not immediately consult with any human; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before I was, but I went to Arabia, and then I returned to Damascus Galatians 1:5-7

So if Paul was living in Jerusalem and not being a missionary he must never disassociate himself from other faithful Christians that's what he himself taught others unless you want to claim Paul has double standards! Hebrews 10:24-25

Paul deliberately left Jerusalem for Arabia in order to be alone rather than associate with the believers in Jerusalem. The dissociation was deliberate. Read the reference scripture again.

Truthseeker10:
Look at this cunning man. Were you not the one that has been talking about the requirements for salvation?

So you spreading lies about the nature of God is not a hindrance to your salvation?

If You disobey Jesus command to love one another by associating and exhorting those who are not in error, will you be saved?

Lies are different from ignorant!

God does not judge by human standards. God judges through intent. Even if you spread truth with bad intent, you'll be courting Devine judgement. If you spread misinformation out of ignorance but with sincere intentions to serve God, God will only gradually move you into a place of knowledge. God wouldn't judge you for that!

Why are you guys so ignorant?

FxMasterz:
Paul deliberately left Jerusalem for Arabia in order to be alone rather than associate with the believers in Jerusalem. The dissociation was deliberate. Read the reference scripture again.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself Paul left and returned to Damascus so this means he went there either to further his ministry as a missionary or rest for some time therefore if he lives where his fellow believers are he must never miss worshiping with them! Hebrews 10:24-25
So this means you are not like Paul because you are not associating with any congregation of believers even though they are all around you!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself Paul left and returned to Damascus so this means he went there either to further his ministry as a missionary or rest for some time therefore if he lives where his fellow believers are he must never miss worshiping with them! Hebrews 10:24-25
So this means you are not like Paul because you are not associating with any congregation of believers even though they are all around you!🙂

Who told you I'm not associating with any congregation? I am in league with all believers who call upon the name of the Lord in truth.

Paul returned to join believers in Damascus, but there were some 3years in which he dissociated. If you dissociate from your congregation right now, even for one week, won't they call you an apostate?

But, Paul was alone for 3 good years associating with nobody. During those years, he was an apostate. He was not accepted by God. He lost is salvation. He was not worthy of paradise according to your doctrine.

FxMasterz:
Who told you I'm not associating with any congregation? I am in league with all believers who call upon the name of the Lord in truth.

So which church calls on the name of your god in truth that you associate with presently?
I believe that all the religions out there claiming Christians are false with the exemption of one which is Jehovah's Witnesses Organization and that is the church i associate with.🙂

FxMasterz:
Lies are different from ignorant!

God does not judge by human standards. God judges through intent. Even if you spread truth with bad intent, you'll be courting Devine judgement. If you spread misinformation out of ignorance but with sincere intentions to serve God, God will only gradually move you into a place of knowledge. God wouldn't judge you for that!

Why are you guys so ignorant?

So now that you've told people on this platform that the Father, the son and the Holy spirit is one person, if they continue to claim that God is three persons, would they be saved?

LordReed:
That is incorrect, you are NOT relying on people that were there. You mentioned Josephus, who was not there. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written so no you are not even remotely relying on anybody who was there.

BTW the issue with Isaiah has been known for more than 200 years so it is not a recent development.




I did present evidence but if you mean archeological evidence then you just shot yourself in the foot because we have no manuscript older than the Dead Sea scrolls which are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written.

These are not ordinary views. These are the views of the people who studied the Hebrew manuscripts not the obviously biased English translations you rely on.



The reasoning that eludes you is this isn't a book prophesying jack. It is so obviously a book attempting to retcon the Hebrews post Babylon exilic experience and lay over it the drive towards the re-emerging Jewish faith. Go read about how most of the Old Testament is dated to the writings of anonymous Jewish authors after the Babylon exile, it will clear you. See the screenshot I attached for the dates of when the books were written.




Talk about reasoning, are you telling me that this your god who said he killed 42 children just for mocking his prophet would leave a whole king to give his glory to another god? Abeg guy no dey whine me jor.

He was awed to see his name but still credits it to Marduk? Please tell a believable story jor.




Like I said the dearth of direct archeological evidence is a big problem for your position as well. Meanwhile the Cyrus cylinder indicts the Bible as a bearer of tall tales claiming Yahweh did something which Cyrus claims for Marduk. Is your god so powerless he couldn't prevent this from happening? What a shame. LoLz.



You only need to supply what gave you the impetus for such a statement. If you have nothing, then your claim is worthless. The Deutero and Trito Isaiah claims have solid basis for them and make more sense than the claims of so-called prophesy.

I love that your chat, I proves what I have been saying all along, that the Torah was written when they left the Babylonian exile....by Ezra.@Maxindhouse, the Torah was not written by Moses, moses is just a character in the book. please lordreed, send the site you got that... please.

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FxMasterz:
Nobody is claiming Josephus was “there.” The point about Flavius Josephus is that by the first century AD, the Jews already accepted Isaiah as a unified prophetic book. That shows what the tradition was long before modern skepticism. Flavius himself only documented what was passed down by those who were there.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, yes, the Great Isaiah Scroll (1QIsaa) is dated around 125–150 BCE. But that argument actually weakens your position, not strengthens it. Because the scroll contains ALL 66 chapters in one continuous manuscript. No break. No “Second Isaiah” label. No evidence of separate circulation. By 2nd century BCE, Isaiah was already a single, stable book.

And saying “this issue has been known for 200 years” doesn’t make it correct. The documentary hypothesis about Moses is also 200+ years old and heavily debated. Age of a theory is not proof of its accuracy. What matters is manuscript evidence. And manuscript evidence does not show multiple Isaiahs — that’s a literary hypothesis built on assumptions about prophecy.

No, you didn't present any evidence. You presented [b]People's views[/b]as evidence. Views can never be admitted as evidence for anything.

This “no manuscript older than DSS” argument applies to almost every ancient text in existence. We do not have original manuscripts of Herodotus, Plato, or Thucydides either. Their earliest copies are centuries after they lived. That’s normal in ancient literature. So if you use that logic consistently, you must throw away most of classical history.

Second, textual scholars who study Hebrew manuscripts do not have an earlier “proto-Deutero-Isaiah scroll” to show us. There is no archaeological discovery of “Isaiah 40–55 only” as a separate book. The Dead Sea Scrolls show unity, not division.

Also, this debate is not about English translations. The Hebrew text of Isaiah 40–66 is preserved in the same manuscript tradition as chapters 1–39. The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scroll Isaiah text are substantially aligned. So let’s not pretend this is about biased English Bibles. The theory of multiple authors is a literary-critical proposal, not a manuscript discovery

This is where the real issue shows. The argument assumes prophecy cannot happen. Once you assume that, then of course you must say it’s “retcon.”

But that is a philosophical starting point, not historical evidence.

Isaiah 45 explicitly names Cyrus the Great and says he will release captives and rebuild Jerusalem. Historically, Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BCE and issued decrees allowing exiles to return and rebuild temples (including Jerusalem’s). That’s not disputed history.

So the question is simple:
Either the text predicted it, or it was written after the fact.

There is no manuscript that says, “Written in 539 BCE after Cyrus.” That date is inferred because of a prior commitment that predictive prophecy is impossible. If you remove that philosophical bias, the argument collapses into a possibility claim, not proof.

And saying “most of the Old Testament was written anonymously after exile” is an oversimplified academic generalization. Even within critical scholarship, dating varies widely. There is no universal agreement on exact dates.

You are mixing categories.

The Bible never says Cyrus converted to Yahweh. Isaiah 45 actually says Cyrus did not know Him. The prophecy is about God using a pagan ruler as an instrument, not about Cyrus becoming a worshipper.

Now about the Cyrus Cylinder — yes, Cyrus credits Marduk for his victory over Babylon. That is completely expected. Ancient Near Eastern kings always credited their national god in inscriptions. That was political propaganda language of the time.

It would actually be shocking if a Persian emperor wrote, “Yahweh did this,” when addressing Babylonians. The cylinder was meant for Babylonian audiences. Of course he would frame it in Marduk language.

The Bible’s claim is theological — that Yahweh was sovereign behind the scenes. The cylinder is royal propaganda. Those two are not mutually exclusive unless you assume ancient kings always gave objective theological reports in political inscriptions.

In Isaiah 37/38, Senecharib claimed his gods gave him all the lands he conquered and that he'll conquer Jerusalem like one of them. But God spoke through Isaiah that He was the One who fashioned Senecharib long before he was born. He fashioned him to spoil nations and conquer territories. Meanwhile, he attributed it to himself and his gods. Nebuchadnezzar did the same. Meanwhile, God said He was the One who made him strong. So,b there are many instances of humans acting extraordinarily and attributing it to something else without knowing that they were merely being used by God.



There is no archaeological evidence that “Deutero-Isaiah” existed as a separate book. That theory is based on stylistic differences and historical assumptions. It is not based on a discovered second scroll signed “Anonymous Prophet 540 BCE.”

Meanwhile, the archaeological evidence we do have — the Great Isaiah Scroll — shows textual unity centuries before Christ.

So let’s be honest: both positions interpret the same data differently. One starts with “prophecy is possible,” the other starts with “prophecy is impossible.” That’s the real dividing line.

Calling prophecy “retcon” does not prove it is. It simply reflects your starting assumption.

If you want to argue stylistic variation, fine — that’s a literary discussion. But don’t present it as archaeological demolition of Isaiah. The archaeology we have does not split the book. It preserves it as one.

Abeg, make we argue with consistency. If manuscript gaps disqualify Isaiah, then they disqualify most of ancient history too. If royal propaganda disproves theology, then no ancient religious claim survives scrutiny.

At the end of the day, the Deutero-Isaiah theory is a respected academic hypothesis. But it is still a hypothesis — not a smoking gun discovery that “Isaiah 45 is a lie.”

Prophets of old usually write their prophesies using scribes who own down what they said. They don't do the writing themselves. So, if Isaiah changed his scribe towards the end of the book, they style and the toning could change to match that of the new writer.

Change of styles and tones are not evidences.

And conclusively, the dead sea scrolls are a collections of books. And before a collection can happen, the individual books must have existed before the collection. And each book could have existed even centuries before the collection happened. You cannot use the dead sea scrolls dating to date the book of Isaiah that have existed before the scrolls were collected.

or they are referring to the same God with different names??

sonmvayina:
I love that your chat, I proves what I have been saying all along, that the Torah was written when they left the Babylonian exile....by Ezra.@Maxindhouse, the Torah was not written by Moses, moses is just a character in the book. please lordreed, send the site you got that... please.

Atheist family!😀

sonmvayina:
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or they are referring to the same God with different names??

It is actually the norm but the Yahweh vs Marduk case is a peculiar one. The laws, mode of worship, attributes, etc of Yahweh are clearly different from that of Marduk. They can't be the same entity. Where there are gods bearing different names in different places, their mode of worship and rituals usually converge.

Truthseeker10:
So now that you've told people on this platform that the Father, the son and the Holy spirit is one person, if they continue to claim that God is three persons, would they be saved?

They will be saved because their salvation does not hinge on the nature of God but on believing in what God did for them.

If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people. But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person.

"The time of ignorance, God winked at". People don't get lost because of what they thought to be true. They get lost for rejecting God's offer of salvation for their souls.

FxMasterz:
They will be saved because their salvation does not hinge on the nature of God but on believing in what God did for them.

If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people. But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person.

"The time of ignorance, God winked at". People don't get lost because of what they thought to be true. They get lost for rejecting God's offer of salvation for their souls.

1)So we can continue spreading the lie that the father son and holy spirit is three persons after you've told us here that he is one and we would be saved?

2)Did God personally appear to you and claim that the Father and Son and holy spirit are one person?

Truthseeker10:
1)So we can continue spreading the lie that the father son and holy spirit is three persons after you've told us here that he is one and we would be saved?

If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness. But if you spread it as a result of the lack of knowledge, you will be saved because you were sincere, you thought my position was wrong. You sincerely was serving God with your witness. You weren't deliberate deceitful.

2)Did God personally appear to you and claim that the Father and Son and holy spirit are one person?

That's what the Bible says. The whole revelation of scripture points only to One Lord, One Savior, One King, One Redeemer. They're not two. Hence, all the manifestations of the Lord, King, Redeemer, Saviour, The Rock, etc I. The Bible point to One person, and not multiple individuals.

FxMasterz:
If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness. But if you spread it as a result of the lack of knowledge, you will be saved because you were sincere, you thought my position was wrong. You sincerely was serving God with your witness. You weren't deliberate deceitful.





That's what the Bible says. The whole revelation of scripture points only to One Lord, One Savior, One King, One Redeemer. They're not two. Hence, all the manifestations of the Lord, King, Redeemer, Saviour, The Rock, etc I. The Bible point to One person, and not multiple individuals.

1)🤣🤣🤣so people on this platform who have heard your teaching about the father son and holy spirit and are not in agreement with it would not be saved?

2)Are you telling us here that God did not personally appear to you to tell you that the Father son and holy spirit are one person?

3)Do you have fellow worshippers who you associate with and love in respect to Jesus command in John 13:34, 35 that agrees with you on this your teaching?

A Creator creates. He is the source or the Creator of all things seen and unseen. A totality of all consciousness seen and unseen. He predates religion and their books. God is everything. Everything he created. When you see humans, spirits , animals, plants etc that is God. Why cos those things carry a fraction of him (His footprint, DNA, spirit). This is why he is everything cos everything carries his footprint as the source of them all. His spirit we possess make us smaller gods also. The bible says we are gods, traditions believes we possess a portion of God called Chi/Ori. All affirms we have a portion of God that is why we are gods. God is in us all

Now to know the true God and source of all you have to know and have relationship with the god within you. It's only the God that is within you that can tell you about the Almighty not books or religion. Why? Because the god within you is a fraction of the Almighty and knows the Almighty better than what religion or books can tell you. All you need is to ask questions in stillness and wait for answers. Even the Christian bible says that it's those who are led by the spirit of God that are real sons of God

To know God, know your Chi/Ori. Know thyself!

Truthseeker10:
1)🤣🤣🤣so people on this platform who have heard your teaching about the father son and holy spirit and are not in agreement with it would not be saved?

Why are you pestering me with this question as if their salvation is based on an agreement with me?

Salvation is a constant. Revelation is a variable. Nobody knows God 100%. Nobody can. Whatever you know of God is your spiritual capital in this world. It doesn't take you to heaven or hell. Whatever you don't know of God limits your spiritual resources and capabilities in this world. That doesn't take you to heaven or hell.

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved. Simple.

2)Are you telling us here that God did not personally appear to you to tell you that the Father son and holy spirit are one person?

Read the Bible and tell me how many people God has appeared to, to tell them about Himself? This your question is hilarious.

God reveals Himself to people progressively. Your stage in the knowledge of God does not guarantee you heaven or hell.

Your guarantee is based on Jesus' work on Calvary alone.

3)Do you have fellow worshippers who you associate with and love in respect to Jesus command in John 13:34, 35 that agrees with you on this your teaching?

I associate with all children of God in the world. Everyone who professes Christ as Lord is my fellow worshipper. We have the same Father because we were begotten by the same Word of God.

FxMasterz:
Why are you pestering me with this question as if their salvation is based on an agreement with me?

Salvation is a constant. Revelation is a variable. Nobody knows God 100%. Nobody can. Whatever you know of God is your spiritual capital in this world. It doesn't take you to heaven or hell. Whatever you don't know of God limits your spiritual resources and capabilities in this world. That doesn't take you to heaven or hell.

Below are your statements.

"If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people."

If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness.



Explain the bolded.

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved. Simple.


Read the Bible and tell me how many people God has appeared to, to tell them about Himself? This your question is hilarious.

God reveals Himself to people progressively. Your stage in the knowledge of God does not guarantee you heaven or hell.

Your guarantee is based on Jesus' work on Calvary alone.

Below is your statement.

"But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person."


So you're telling us here that your Knowledge of God which involves christ could be a lie and that God did not personally reveal himself to you?

I associate with all children of God in the world. Everyone who professes Christ as Lord is my fellow worshipper. We have the same Father because we were begotten by the same Word of God.

So those who claim that God is three persons are not in error and you don't have to disassociate yourself from them?

You mean you worship God with them in disagreement?

bobestman:
A Creator creates. He is the source or the Creator of all things seen and unseen. A totality of all consciousness seen and unseen. He predates religion and their books. God is everything. Everything he created. When you see humans, spirits , animals, plants etc that is God. Why cos those things carry a fraction of him (His footprint, DNA, spirit). This is why he is everything cos everything carries his footprint as the source of them all. His spirit we possess make us smaller gods also. The bible says we are gods, traditions believes we possess a portion of God called Chi/Ori. All affirms we have a portion of God that is why we are gods. God is in us all

Now to know the true God and source of all you have to know and have relationship with the god within you. It's only the God that is within you that can tell you about the Almighty not books or religion. Why? Because the god within you is a fraction of the Almighty and knows the Almighty better than what religion or books can tell you. All you need is to ask questions in stillness and wait for answers. Even the Christian bible says that it's those who are led by the spirit of God that are real sons of God

To know God, know your Chi/Ori. Know thyself!

So if God is everything, he is the terrorists and kidnappers killing people today?

Truthseeker10:
Below are your statements.

"If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people."

If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness.



Explain the bolded.

I believe I'm discussing with a mature mind and not a kid.

Do I have to break it down into snippets? By what I said, I meant if you have special revelation, a direct instruction for God Himself, you could be sinning for rejecting Him.

Special revelation occur, but they're rare. However, God reveals Himself through the Bible. Study the Bible without any bias and without being pre-conditioned by human doctrine, you'll see clearly what God wants and whom God is by the help of His Holy Spirit.

Not everyone attains that level. Those who strain that level have clearer understanding of God guided by the desire to know the truth and not mere doctrines. It is the Truth that'll make you free. Not doctrines.

In short, everyone moves according to his level of understanding. God doesn't judge you based on your understanding. He judges you based on the truth you know that you rejected. Salvation itself is based on the finished work of Christ on Calvary, nothing else.

If you don't know the truth and you spread misinformation. You're not lying. You're misinformed. A lie is a deliberate distortion of the truth.

Apollos didn't know the truth. God accepted him. Aquilla and Priscilla met him when he was preaching, took him and expanded tje scriptures to him more clearly. He ran with the truth of that new revelation, and continued to be accepted by God.

The Pharisees on the other hand knew the truth, but rejected it, that's why they were condemned. The kept the lie because it was their means of livelihood.

You cannot call an ignorant person a liar for sharing what he thinks to be the truth. A lie is a DELIBERATE distortion of truth.

You should be old enough to differentiate a lie from an ignorant perspective.

You can be ignorant. God understands. However, once you know the truth, you are no longer guiltless

It is clearly written in the Bible. I know you don't know. Ask, and I'll provide you with the verse.

God revealing Himself to you and instructing you is the highest confirmation of truth you can have. If you reject it, then, you're deliberately a liar.

If man teaches you what he found in the Bible, and you see it clear written in the Bible, and you reject it in preference for human doctrines you're deliberately a liar.

If your rejection is due to a lack of understanding, you're not a liar. You want to be true but your understanding is low.

That's why Paul advised the Corinthians "In malice, be ye children, but in understanding, be men."

God revealing Himself and speaking is not the only way through which God communicates. I.jyst used it to indicate to you that if you deliberately reject something you know to be truth in preference to a lie, then you're guilty.

Below is your statement.

"But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person."


So you're telling us here that your Knowledge of God which involves christ could be a lie and that God did not personally reveal himself to you?



So those who claim that God is three persons are not in error and you don't have to disassociate yourself from them?

You mean you worship God with them in disagreement?

Every man is liking his understanding of scriptures. We are not called to agree with men but to agree with the Bible.

All these your stand about being in agreement with other men is foolishness. The men you're agreeing with are not your Savior. They're not your God. They could be in error too. They're not infallible. Seek the Word and agree with the Word.

All I share here are in absolute agreement with the Word. I have concrete scripture foundation for anything I hold as doctrine. And you cannot tell me otherwise because I am more concerned about the truth than I am concerned about loyalty to an organization.

If you can use the Bible to disprove me in all clarity, I will port immediately. I understand that I'm not infallible too. I may miss what the Scriptures say. Prove me wrong, and I'll go study again for myself and choose the truth only. But in this issue of Trinity, I have studied extensively, and 8 fully understand the matter. As far as the Bible is concerned, God is One, and zHis manifestation 3. He functions as God, Lord and Infinite Helper. All these are 3 functions exhibited by seemingly 4 persons but all these persons are One. The Rock of the Old Testament is Yahweh. In the new testament, Jesus is the Rock. Since we have only one Rock. Both Yahweh and Jesus would remain the same Person until you can show me clearly that the Scriptures support two Rocks.

And yes, I can fellowship with all believers who believe that Christ died for our sins and that He is coming back for our redemption. Believers who believe that Christ is the Lord and Savior of mankind and are true to these beliefs. This is what makes us one in Christ. Not doctrines. Doctrines can differ. They do not separate us from Christ. Members of a family do not necessarily have to agree on everything to be family. Even you could have may areas in which you disagree with your bruises and sisters. Does that stop you from being family? Does that make you dissociate yourself from your family? Answer me!

What makes you family is more than mere personal views. What makes us children of God is more than mere doctrines.

Truthseeker10:
So if God is everything, he is the terrorists and kidnappers killing people today?

Poor mindset. Childish question. You know the truth but just want to argue

Who created them? Were they terrorists and Napers when they were created? Why did they become so? You already know the answer and that is the holy truth. You have been here for long but lack knowledge in many things. See how the write up was simple and clear but you came with a childish question which I already answered. God is everything cos his footprint is in everything he made. Everything has his positive and negative side. The good and the bad side. If you follow the good you become good(God) and if you follow the evil you become evil (devil)

bobestman:
Poor mindset. Childish question. You know the truth but just want to argue

Who created them? Were they terrorists and Napers when they were created? Why did they become so? You already know the answer and that is the holy truth. You have been here for long but lack knowledge in many things. See how the write up was simple and clear but you came with a childish question which I already answered. God is everything cos his footprint is in everything he made. Everything has his positive and negative side. The good and the bad side. If you follow the good you become good(God) and if you follow the evil you become evil (devil)

1)You were the one that said that God is everything. Are you saying that when people become terrorists and kidnappers they are no longer part of God?

2)You claim God has a positive and negative side. Are you saying that the Devil is the negative side of God?

You really knows how to drill the brain of liars.🤣

Truthseeker10:
1)You were the one that said that God is everything. Are you saying that when people become terrorists and kidnappers they are no longer part of God?

2)You claim God has a positive and negative side. Are you saying that the Devil is the negative side of God?

FxMasterz:
I believe I'm discussing with a mature mind and not a kid.

Do I have to break it down into snippets? By what I said, I meant if you have special revelation, a direct instruction for God Himself, you could be sinning for rejecting Him.

Special revelation occur, but they're rare. However, God reveals Himself through the Bible. Study the Bible without any bias and without being pre-conditioned by human doctrine, you'll see clearly what God wants and whom God is by the help of His Holy Spirit.

Not everyone attains that level. Those who strain that level have clearer understanding of God guided by the desire to know the truth and not mere doctrines. It is the Truth that'll make you free. Not doctrines.

In short, everyone moves according to his level of understanding. God doesn't judge you based on your understanding. He judges you based on the truth you know that you rejected. Salvation itself is based on the finished work of Christ on Calvary, nothing else.

If you don't know the truth and you spread misinformation. You're not lying. You're misinformed. A lie is a deliberate distortion of the truth.

Apollos didn't know the truth. God accepted him. Aquilla and Priscilla met him when he was preaching, took him and expanded tje scriptures to him more clearly. He ran with the truth of that new revelation, and continued to be accepted by God.

The Pharisees on the other hand knew the truth, but rejected it, that's why they were condemned. The kept the lie because it was their means of livelihood.

You cannot call an ignorant person a liar for sharing what he thinks to be the truth. A lie is a DELIBERATE distortion of truth.

You should be old enough to differentiate a lie from an ignorant perspective.

You can be ignorant. God understands. However, once you know the truth, you are no longer guiltless

It is clearly written in the Bible. I know you don't know. Ask, and I'll provide you with the verse.

God revealing Himself to you and instructing you is the highest confirmation of truth you can have. If you reject it, then, you're deliberately a liar.

If man teaches you what he found in the Bible, and you see it clear written in the Bible, and you reject it in preference for human doctrines you're deliberately a liar.

If your rejection is due to a lack of understanding, you're not a liar. You want to be true but your understanding is low.

That's why Paul advised the Corinthians "In malice, be ye children, but in understanding, be men."

God revealing Himself and speaking is not the only way through which God communicates. I.jyst used it to indicate to you that if you deliberately reject something you know to be truth in preference to a lie, then you're guilty.

So now that you've taught us that the father son and holy spirit is one person, and we don't accept, will we be saved?

Every man is liking his understanding of scriptures. We are not called to agree with men but to agree with the Bible.

All these your stand about being in agreement with other men is foolishness. The men you're agreeing with are not your Savior. They're not your God. They could be in error too. They're not infallible. Seek the Word and agree with the Word.

All I share here are in absolute agreement with the Word. I have concrete scripture foundation for anything I hold as doctrine. And you cannot tell me otherwise because I am more concerned about the truth than I am concerned about loyalty to an organization.

If you can use the Bible to disprove me in all clarity, I will port immediately. I understand that I'm not infallible too. I may miss what the Scriptures say. Prove me wrong, and I'll go study again for myself and choose the truth only. But in this issue of Trinity, I have studied extensively, and 8 fully understand the matter. As far as the Bible is concerned, God is One, and zHis manifestation 3. He functions as God, Lord and Infinite Helper. All these are 3 functions exhibited by seemingly 4 persons but all these persons are One. The Rock of the Old Testament is Yahweh. In the new testament, Jesus is the Rock. Since we have only one Rock. Both Yahweh and Jesus would remain the same Person until you can show me clearly that the Scriptures support two Rocks.

And yes, I can fellowship with all believers who believe that Christ died for our sins and that He is coming back for our redemption. Believers who believe that Christ is the Lord and Savior of mankind and are true to these beliefs. This is what makes us one in Christ. Not doctrines. Doctrines can differ. They do not separate us from Christ. Members of a family do not necessarily have to agree on everything to be family. Even you could have may areas in which you disagree with your bruises and sisters. Does that stop you from being family? Does that make you dissociate yourself from your family? Answer me!

What makes you family is more than mere personal views. What makes us children of God is more than mere doctrines.

1)So FxMasterz.....are you saying that me associating with you in respect to Jesus command in John 13:34, 35 is foolishness because you could be error too?

2)You claim to have concrete absolute agreement with the word. Does that mean that the whole of christendom should come to you to learn the whole truth of the word?

Do you know any other person on this platform or elsewhere who has absolute agreement with the word just like you?

MaxInDHouse:
You really knows how to drill the brain of liars.🤣

no be me dem go confuse. They don't usually understand how illogical their teachings are until I ask them questions.

Truthseeker10:
1)You were the one that said that God is everything. Are you saying that when people become terrorists and kidnappers they are no longer part of God?

2)You claim God has a positive and negative side. Are you saying that the Devil is the negative side of God?

I know you will come with your evil manipulations not that you don't understand what I meant .
God is everything cos we have his spirit within us. To be a napper or terrorists is a choice. He is not responsible for your choices

Stop adding lies to what I said make God's anger no descend on you. I said the ability to do good or evil exist in all. It's your choice to do either good or evil.

bobestman:
I know you will come with your evil manipulations not that you don't understand what I meant .
God is everything cos we have his spirit within us. To be a napper or terrorists is a choice. He is not responsible for your choices

I am not asking you whether napper or terrorist is a choice or not. If a person becomes a terrorist or kidnapper, has the person stopped being God?

Stop adding lies to what I said make God's anger no descend on you. I said the ability to do good or evil exist in all. It's your choice to do either good or evil.

So if a person begins to do evil, the person is no longer God? If yes, can you still claim that God is everything?

Yawa don gas!🤣

Truthseeker10:
I am not asking you whether napper or terrorist is a choice or not. If a person becomes a terrorist or kidnapper, has the person stopped being God?


So if a person begins to do evil, the person is no longer God? If yes, can you still claim that God is everything?

Truthseeker10:
I am not asking you whether napper or terrorist is a choice or not. If a person becomes a terrorist or kidnapper, has the person stopped being God?


So if a person begins to do evil, the person is no longer God? If yes, can you still claim that God is everything?

I understand your evil strategies. You wanna use manipulation to make me look wrong even when when you know the truth

Your problem might be from what I said that we are gods . It's not my words alone. It's in your old testament and Christ himself affirmed it. Christ and the Psalmist said we are gods. Since you think you are wise ask Christ whether someone who is a napper or terrorists is still a god? To me they are but in blindness cos all have sinned. The god within can only be awakened when you begin to do right. It's likened to Adam sinning and losing his relationship with God. But when he repents he gets back the glory. The god within is always their. When you fall into blindness you lose companionship but when you do right you restore the glory

Another childish idea. You are gods whether you do good or bad. When you are in blindness you lost the power. When you are doing right you enjoy the privileged of being god.

Very very simple but you just wanna argue

bobestman:
I understand your evil strategies.

Is there anything wrong in the attribute of your god?
Is evil no more part of your god?🤔

bobestman:
I understand your evil strategies. You wanna use manipulation to make me look wrong even when when you know the truth

Your problem might be from what I said that we are gods . It's not my words alone. It's in your old testament and Christ himself affirmed it. Christ and the Psalmist said we are gods. Since you think you are wise ask Christ whether someone who is a napper or terrorists is still a god? To me they are but in blindness cos all have sinned. The god within can only be awakened when you begin to do right. It's likened to Adam sinning and losing his relationship with God. But when he repents he gets back the glory. The god within is always their. When you fall into blindness you lose companionship but when you do right you restore the glory

Another childish idea. You are gods whether you do good or bad. When you are in blindness you lost the power. When you are doing right you enjoy the privileged of being god.

Very very simple but you just wanna argue

Below is your statement in bold.

"God is everything. Everything he created. When you see humans, spirits , animals, plants etc that is God."

According to you, when I see a terrorist or kidnapper, fish and flower, That is God.

You've rendered him speechless now the next thing is to call you names!🤣

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement in bold.
"God is everything. Everything he created. When you see humans, spirits , animals, plants etc that is God."
According to you, when I see a terrorist or kidnapper, fish and flower, That is God.

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement in bold.

"God is everything. Everything he created. When you see humans, spirits , animals, plants etc that is God."

According to you, when I see a terrorist or kidnapper, fish and flower, That is God.

When you guys see something bigger than you. Something challenging everything you know as a churchian but buried deep inside the same book you read you cry and try to use manipulation to twist the whole thing

What I said is very simple that even a kid will understand but here are adults trying to twist it cos it challenge what they believe not that it is not in their bible

I made it clear that everything God created carries his mark or spirit. Meaning they possess an aspect of God but not God Almighty. They carry the spark, light or spirit of God which mafe them lesser gods if they know who they are. Christ made clear by telling the people that are gods but shall die like mean men cos they have no knowledge of the power they carry. Many people their when Christ said that might not be good people. You can even see nappers and terrorists their and yet he said they are gods. Why are you people trying to fight this simple truth with clear evidence from your bible? Because it challenges the lies you have been taught all your life. We carry the spirit of God and so is everything he created that doesn't mean they are God Almighty. Make una learn