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MaxInDHouse:
He never knew that Jesus himself is the first to become a born again by getting baptized in water and spirit the same day! Matthew 3:16
So he wanted to fabricate his own as he thought the thief Jesus promised Paradise is also born again!😀

Chai! See heresy.

So, in your false doctrines, you believe Jesus became born again at a particular time. Na wá o.

Thks was someone who conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Spirit. Driven of the Spirit and was filled with Wisdom and Favour from his youth up. So,the became born again in Jordan?

Wonders shall never end.

So, let me ask you this question. You don't even understand what it means to be born again in the actual sense of the Word.

You were already born of your father. Then you became born again, or born a second time by the Word of God.

Now, Jesus Himself is the Word of God . If He became born again at Jordan, who was His first father who progenated Him before He became born again?

Maybe Cornelbpy can also help.you.

You've not quoted the scriptures nah!😟

Hope you're not thinking that whatever you say will be swallowed without using the scriptures o!

Water is born of WATER and what is born of SPIRIT?

That's what Jesus said you're the one fabricating your own interpretation now!😟

FxMasterz:
Don't tell me you don't know that you're born by your parents and became the son of your parents. You're then born again by God to become the son of God. You have a physical family you belong to through your parents. You have a spiritual family you belong to when you became born again. This makes you a child of God. And that makes you saved. A child of God is already in the family of God and is saved. That's why Jesus said you must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
You've not quoted the scriptures nah!😟

Hope you're not thinking that whatever you say will be swallowed without using the scriptures o!

Water is born of WATER and what is born of SPIRIT?

That's what Jesus said you're the one fabricating your own interpretation now!😟

In what way did I fabricate my own interpretation?

I have already told you that to be born of the Spirit is to be born of the Word and of the Holy Spirit.

And to be born of Water is to be born of the Word and water baptism.

The Word is the main progenitor.ley me now quote scriptures:

1Peter 1:23:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, [by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Now, is the Word Spirit?

John 6:63:

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Is the Word water?

Ephesians 5:26

"...that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

FxMasterz:
Have you seen the answers? Can you help him in bringing more questions?

Can you use the scriptures to support your answer first?

cornelboy:
Can you use the scriptures to support your answer first?

Done!

FxMasterz:
To be born of Water is water baptism.

This is straightforward what as all the disciples of Christ were first BAPTIZED IN WATER.

Now what is born of SPIRIT.
I hate the merry go round tactics just straight up to the point.

cornelboy:
Can you use the scriptures to support your answer first?

He wants to fabricate his own evidence of Born of Water and Spirit because he doesn't want to agree with what is clear in the Bible.

Born of Water= Water Baptism
Born of Spirit= Anointing by Spirit.

Simple.

But he wants to misconstrue everything just to suit his fabrication that the thief became a Born Again that day!🤣

MaxInDHouse:
This is straightforward what as all the disciples of Christ were first BAPTIZED IN WATER.

Now what is born of SPIRIT.
I hate the merry go round tactics just straight up to the point.

You quote the merry go round tactics and I'll answer you. I won't repeat myself several times.

And water baptism is not the main factor of being born of water. Infact water baptism has its own different purpose that make the new birth complete.

The Word is the actual factor in the new birth experience. Water baptism completes it my making you identify with the death and resurrection of Jesus

When you're buried in water, you're identifying yourself with the burial of Christ. Being buried in water means "I am buried with Christ." Being taken out of water means "I am resurrected with Christ."

The identify tuition with Christ's burial and resurrection seals your born again experience in that you have buried your old nature, and have resurrected a new nature in Christ. This essentially is a symbolic representation of what happened in the Spirit the day you gave your life to Christ.

That does not mean people who never had a chance to be baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God. The main prerequisite for entering the Kingdom of God is to be born of the Word of God which is both Spirit and Water.

1Peter 1:23 says ONLY the Word of God makes you born again.

FxMasterz:
You quote the merry go round tactics and I'll answer you. I won't repeat myself several times.

Quote the scripture that's all!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the scripture that's all!🙂

Quote what I wrote. I'll quote the scriptures again.

FxMasterz:
Quote what I wrote. I'll quote the scriptures again.

I hate stories just say few words and let us see the scripture to back it not long epistle!

MaxInDHouse:
I hate stories just say few words and let us see the scripture to back it not long epistle!

I also hate hypocrisy. Why cut off my words?

Include my words without reading them from my mentions and I'll answer you with the same scriptures and more again with kindergarten explanations so you can understand.

FxMasterz:
Yahweh does not have to tell me He is Jesus Christ. Doctrines are not borne on one explicit statement. They're based on the aggregate understanding of several explicit statements.

Or, may I ask you, where did Jesus say He is angel Michael?


No man has seen God prior to the Son coming to reveal Him. God reveals Himself through His human manifestation as Jesus.

That's why when Philip asked Him in John 14, saying "Show us the Father and it will suffice us ." Jesus upbraided him and said, "I have been so long with you, and you are still asking me to show you the Father? Don't you know that whoever sees me has seen the Father!" (Paraphrased).

These are Jesus' own true words which you have rejected.

Whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father. ",...the Son who is in the bossom of the Father, He has REVEALED HIM "


I have told you that God is jot limited by your own limitations!

You should ask:

1. How come God and the Lamb sit on the same throne in Revelation 5.

2. How come the 24 elders and all creatures worship God and the Lamb?

3. How come God is said to be from Everlasting, and Jesus is also said to be from Everlasting?

4. How come God and the Lamb are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem? Why is there one Light from both of them instead of two lights?

5. How come the Scriptures say "...but unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne oh God is from everlasting to everlasting...'

6. How come Yahweh is a Rock and Jesus is a Rock?

7. How come the Son that would be born is called "Everlasting Father" according to Isaiah?

8. How come Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Isaiah, and Jesus is also the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Revelation?

9. How come Jesus calls Himself "The Almighty" in the book of Revelation?

10. How come everyone in the book of Revelation worship God and the Lamb but both God and the Lamb worship nobody? The Lamb is worshipped but He worships nobody throughout the Bible.

Jesus said the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. The Son being in the bossom of the Father should generate no issue.

1)Explain John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

2)Explain John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me

3)Explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

FxMasterz:
I also hate hypocrisy. Why cut off my words?
Include my words without reading them from my mentions and I'll answer you with the same scriptures and more again with kindergarten explanations so you can understand.

I cut off unnecessary stories.

For instance you said:

FxMasterz:
To be born of Water is water baptism.

That is taken.

Now what is Born of Spirit in just one sentence?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I cut off unnecessary stories.

For instance you said:



That is taken.

Now what is Born of Spirit in just one sentence?🙂

Quote everything I said. If you call the Bible unnecessary stories, it's your palava. I quoted the Bible and you cut off everything l, calling them unnecessary stories.

Meanwhile Jesus reigning as king in 1914 and Jesus being angel Michael is reasonable story to you? Can't you see something is wrong somewhere?

Truthseeker10:
1)Explain John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Am I not greater than my manifestation. However, I and my manifestatio are one. Can't you see?

2)Explain John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me

That's unity and fellowship. Not oneness in essence

Go and study the Greek scriptures apart, and you'll understand that when Jesus says "I am my Father are one" He meant essence. When He spoke of the oneness between The Father, Himself and the Disciples, He meant unity and fellowship.

Or, why do you think the Jews picked up stones claiming Jesus was calling Himself God for saying He and His Father are one?

3)Explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

The Father is the real Person. The Son is the Manifestation of that real Person. Both the real and manifestatio can occupy the same space.

All these do not erase the facts of God's triune existence from the Bible. They do eradicate the questions I asked you to ask:

1. How come God and the Lamb sit on the same throne in Revelation 5.

2. How come the 24 elders and all creatures worship God and the Lamb?

3. How come God is said to be from Everlasting, and Jesus is also said to be from Everlasting?

4. How come God and the Lamb are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem? Why is there one Light from both of them instead of two lights?

5. How come the Scriptures say "...but unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne oh God is from everlasting to everlasting...'

6. How come Yahweh is a Rock and Jesus is a Rock?

7. How come the Son that would be born is called "Everlasting Father" according to Isaiah?

8. How come Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Isaiah, and Jesus is also the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Revelation?

9. How come Jesus calls Himself "The Almighty" in the book of Revelation?

10. How come everyone in the book of Revelation worship God and the Lamb but both God and the Lamb worship nobody? The Lamb is worshipped but He worships nobody throughout the Bible.

FxMasterz:
Quote everything I said. If you call the Bible unnecessary stories, it's your palava. I quoted the Bible and you cut off everything l, calling them unnecessary stories.
Meanwhile Jesus reigning as king in 1914 and Jesus being angel Michael is reasonable story to you? Can't you see something is wrong somewhere?

Have you gotten a shot and precise response for the question?

MaxInDHouse:
Have you gotten a shot and precise response for the question?

Once you quote my words back at me, I'll then reply you accordingly.

FxMasterz:
Once you quote my words back at me, I'll then reply you accordingly.

Ọmọ it's OK if you don't know there is nothing to be ashamed about.😟

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's OK if you don't know there is nothing to be ashamed about.😟

My friend, if you love your hypocrisy, you should own it loudly. That's a more honoring path.

FxMasterz:
My friend, if you love your hypocrisy, you should own it loudly. That's a more honoring path.

A reputable and global family of peace loving worshipers hold the same belief as i do so i'm ok with it!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's OK if you don't know there is nothing to be ashamed about.😟

You actually really need to be born again. Your organization deliberately twisted that important experience for you so that you can miss it. You're not born again as far as the Scripture is concerned.

Now, let me repeat what I said which you initially cut off in your hypocrisy.

Water baptism is not the main factor of being born of water. Infact water baptism has its own different purpose that make the new birth complete.

The Word is the actual factor in the new birth experience. 1 Peter 1:23 says "We are born again by the incorruptible Word of God." This is consistent with all parts of Scripture. Jesus Himself said in John 17 "They are Thine." Why are they His? That's because "I have given them Your Word". Not because of any other things but because "I HAVE GIVEN THEM YOUR WORD."

James 1:18 says:
"Of His own will He brought us forth by the Word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

The Word of God is the main progenator of the children of God. Those who believe the WORD are automatically"given power to become sons of God". John 1:12-13.

Water baptism completes the process by a demonstration of how you were begotten. This is done by making you identifying with the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Can you even receive the teachings? You who reject the Scriptures for false doctrines? I pray I'm not casting precious jewels to swines. May God give you a heart that extolls the Word of God above all else. Here is what the Scriptures say about water baptism:

Romans 6:3-4:

"Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."

That new life is the result of the new birth. The born again experience.

Colossians 2:12:

"having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead."

When you're buried in water, you're identifying yourself with the burial of Christ. You're buried with Him. Being buried in water means "I am buried with Christ." Being taken out of water means "I am resurrected with Christ." I have a new life in Christ. My old life has passed away. I now live a resurrected life. I have been reborn. I am born again.

The identification with Christ's burial and resurrection seals your born again experience in that you have buried your old nature, and have resurrected a new nature in Christ. This essentially is a symbolic representation of what happened in the Spirit the day you gave your life to Christ after hearing the WORD of God.

That does not mean people who never had a chance to be baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God. The main prerequisite for entering the Kingdom of God is to be born of the Word of God which is both Spirit and Water.

1Peter 1:23 says ONLY the Word of God makes you born again.

Is God's Word Both Spirit and Water

Let's hear from the Word of God directly:

1. Word of God as Spirit

John 6:63:

"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are Spirit and life."

Ephesians 6:17:

"Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."


1 Corinthians 3:6 says "...our sufficiency is if God who has made us able ministers of New Testament. Not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life."


2. Word of God as Water

Ephesians 5:26:

"...to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,"

In John 15:3, Jesus said "Ye are cleansed through the Word that I have spoken unto you." The Word is the same water of cleansing.

In Revelation, John always hear God or Jesus speak like the sound of rushing waters. Revelation 1:15.

There are mysteries of salvation that you need to know. Please leave that deceptive organization and come learn from the Master- the Lord Jesus Christ in whom all Wisdom dwells.

FxMasterz:
You actually really need to be born again.

Can you quote where Jesus said this in the Bible?🙂

FxMasterz

Am I not greater than my manifestation. However, I and my manifestatio are one. Can't you see?

What is the meaning of what you wrote above? You claimed the Jesus is the same person with the father. Explain how the Father is greater than Jesus that you claimed is the Father.

That's unity and fellowship. Not oneness in essence

Go and study the Greek scriptures apart, and you'll understand that when Jesus says "I am my Father are one" He meant essence. When He spoke of the oneness between The Father, Himself and the Disciples, He meant unity and fellowship.

Or, why do you think the Jews picked up stones claiming Jesus was calling Himself God for saying He and His Father are one?

What is the Greek word for "essence"? Show me where "essence" is used in the bible.

The Father is the real Person. The Son is the Manifestation of that real Person. Both the real and manifestatio can occupy the same space.

All these do not erase the facts of God's triune existence from the Bible. They do eradicate the questions I asked you to ask:

1. How come God and the Lamb sit on the same throne in Revelation 5.

2. How come the 24 elders and all creatures worship God and the Lamb?

3. How come God is said to be from Everlasting, and Jesus is also said to be from Everlasting?

4. How come God and the Lamb are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem? Why is there one Light from both of them instead of two lights?

5. How come the Scriptures say "...but unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne oh God is from everlasting to everlasting...'

6. How come Yahweh is a Rock and Jesus is a Rock?

7. How come the Son that would be born is called "Everlasting Father" according to Isaiah?

8. How come Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Isaiah, and Jesus is also the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Revelation?

9. How come Jesus calls Himself "The Almighty" in the book of Revelation?

10. How come everyone in the book of Revelation worship God and the Lamb but both God and the Lamb worship nobody? The Lamb is worshipped but He worships nobody throughout the Bible.

Oga I simply asked you to explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


On what throne are those who overcome seating on?

MaxInDHouse:
A reputable and global family of peace loving worshipers hold the same belief as i do so i'm ok with it!🙂

Yes, global but not reputable.

They're being chased out for different crimes in different countries.

There are even more reputable and global families other than yours. They have no dent on their names.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus said this in the Bible?🙂

So, you cut off again and started asking childish questions?

You saw real scriptures but rejected them, and also shut down the voice of sound reasoning to ask a mindless question.

You must be born again my friend.

Truthseeker10:
FxMasterz

What is the meaning of what you wrote above? You claimed the Jesus is the same person with the father. Explain how the Father is greater than Jesus that you claimed is the Father.

The same way your spirit is greater than your body.

What is the Greek word for "essence"? Show me where "essence" is used in the bible.

The Greek word used for 'one' which 'hen' is indicative of the fact that the oneness Jesus talked about was in essence and not in togetherness.

Oga I simply asked you to explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


On what throne are those who overcome seating on?

On the throne in the earthly Jerusalem! Not the throne of paradise.

Truthseeker10:
FxMasterz

What is the meaning of what you wrote above? You claimed the Jesus is the same person with the father. Explain how the Father is greater than Jesus that you claimed is the Father.

The same way your spirit is greater than your body.

What is the Greek word for "essence"? Show me where "essence" is used in the bible.

The Greek word used for 'one' which is 'hen' is indicative of the fact that the oneness Jesus talked about was in essence and not in togetherness.

Oga I simply asked you to explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


On what throne are those who overcome seating on?

On His throne in the new Jerusalem! Not the throne of heaven.

The Bible clearly lets us know that there are many thrones and crowns in the new Jerusalem. They would be assigned by Jesus as rewards.

But clearly, there's only one throne in heaven.

FxMasterz:
Yes, global but not reputable.
They're being chased out for different crimes in different countries.

Do you know of a crime that Jehovah's Witnesses are known for throughout the world?🙂

FxMasterz:
There are even more reputable and global families other than yours. They have no dent on their names.

Can you please mention one!🙂

FxMasterz:
You must be born again my friend.

Can you quote where Jesus said this in the Bible?

FxMasterz

The same way your spirit is greater than your body.

1)Lol....So Jesus whom you claimed is the father does not have spirit?

The Greek word used for 'one' which is 'hen' is indicative of the fact that the oneness Jesus talked about was in essence and not in togetherness.

2)Oga this is the opposite of the question that I asked you. You seem confused. You were the one that brought the word "essence" into this discussion.

What is the Greek word for "essence" and where is "essence" used in the bible?

On His throne in the new Jerusalem! Not the throne of heaven.

The Bible clearly lets us know that there are many thrones and crowns in the new Jerusalem. They would be assigned by Jesus as rewards.

But clearly, there's only one throne in heaven.

3)Where did Jesus specify throne and crowns in Jerusalem in the verse below?
Did Jesus not specify that the throne they will sit will be on his own throne just as he is sitting on his own father's throne?

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

ENGLISH: HE IS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

YORUBA: OLUWA OLORUN OLODUMARE.

IN SPIRIT: LORD LORDGOD GOD.