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Alapereketu:
I rather do money ritual than to wait for jesus Christ time
That's one of the evidence I'm talking about.

Surely you don't know anything about tradition you're just kidding because no tradition teaches money rituals the spirit that's behind money rituals is in all nations and they all have what they call it but when talking about worship no god promises a worshiper riches.
People calling Jesus for riches are not worshiping Jesus o nah evil spirit dem dey worship because even Jesus self no get money!🙂

Alapereketu:
yes sure 😊

I don't know you are here to joke jàre!😂

Alapereketu:
→ why did those peoples who does money ritual get money faster than to pray to your Jesus Christ and get nothing

First and foremost, your question is based on at least two erroneous assumptions. The first is the assumption that people who do money ritual get money faster. Where is your evidence of this as I have never met anything who did this money ritual and was able to get money faster than anyone else. Second, it is also based on the false assumption/delusion that I am for the religion of Christianity which pretends to belong to a first century man whose own followers at the time made it clear that only those of the bloodline of Israel(the ancestral line of their fathers Abraham and Isaac and Jacob)could partake in his blessings. Are you intending to get me to cave by way of hitting me with a barrage of false claims or something? 😒😒

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you don't know anything about tradition you're just kidding because no tradition teaches money rituals the spirit that's behind money rituals is in all nations and they all have what they call it but when talking about worship no god promises a worshiper riches.
People calling Jesus for riches are not worshiping Jesus o nah evil spirit dem dey worship because even Jesus self no get money!🙂

Jesus Christ die poor 😂

Alapereketu:
did Jesus really exist

Someone bearing that name never lived in Judea at any time but the concept of Jesus Christ or Iesus Christ always existed among Hellenistic people. There was never any Jew at anytime in history that was called Jesus Christ. Not in the past and not today.

There were many Jewish Messiahs that were slain by Rome and they were more of a problem dead than alive because their followers will insist they rose from the dead fuelling more insurrection. So a particular one was not buried but thrown in a gully by the Romans to rot there so his followers can see he did not rise from the dead.

Isa bin Yusuf too was a Jewish nationalist and preacher but he had no wherewithal to confront Rome and was preaching theology the Jewish theocrats considered to be heresy yet he had a substantial and growing followers hip. To avoid arrest by the Romans, he insisted his kingdom is only in the hearts of men and said Jews should continue paying tax. He was never a problem to Rome but the theocrats hated his guts. The theocrats were the ones that killed him with a go ahead from the Romans. As expected his followers started to say he resurrected and they were expecting his second coming. The followership was only for Jews but one of the converts named Paul who never met Isa started to convert Gentiles and it became open for all. These were Hellenistic people. Even the Romans were Hellenistic people and the concept of Iesus the perfect son of Zeus was super imposed on the movement that started as a sect of Judaism. The group was originally called Nazarenes after the birth town of the founder but the Greeks of Antioch nicknamed or renamed them Christians seeing them to be of good conduct. Many Muslims still call them Nazarenes or Nassarawa among the Hausa Muslims. The founder never intended the group for non Jews as he never associated with them

Alapereketu:
Jesus Christ die poor 😂

Yes nah so how can any reasonable individual think of begging Jesus for money when Jesus himself died without having anything?😟

Here is Mammon the spirit of greed and gold that ritualists turn to for instant riches that's why Jesus told his listeners that they can't be worshipers of Mammon and at the same time worshipers of the true God! Matthew 6:24

Kobojunkie:
I made absolutely no mention of Christianity existing in the first century. Rather, what I said was the movement that resulted from the teachings of the man named Jesus is documented in independent works that date as far back as the 1st century. 😒

2. My forefathers were traditionals who produced and invented nothing of substance or praise until after the white man arrived on the shores of Africa. Yes, white man brought Christianity, but...😒

... again, I said nothing of Christianity but rather of the man named jesus Christ... He didn't invent Christianity nor did he bring Christianity to Africa.Can we please stick to the topic.... stop f-cking derailing the thread of conversation.

Your ancestors 200 years ago were doing as well as any other group on Earth. They brought innovations as well and had an advanced society. Their art today is among the best in the world. They had the tech of the day to produce for local consumption and export including to Europe and the Americas. The British colonized Nigeria or say Yoruba land only from 1897 to 1951!. You have been spreading this kind of tales online and it is better you stop.

Alapereketu:
lol 😂

Please are you lawani?
Please i don't want to engage liars who aren't sincere with themselves today!

MaxInDHouse:
Please are you lawani?
Please i don't want to engage liars who aren't sincere with themselves today!

no bro

lawani:
Someone bearing that name never lived in Judea at any time but the concept of Jesus Christ or Iesus Christ always existed among Hellenistic people. There was never any Jew at anytime in history that was called Jesus Christ. Not in the past and not today.

There were many Jewish Messiahs that were slain by Rome and they were more of a problem dead than alive because their followers will insist they rose from the dead fuelling more insurrection. So a particular one was not buried but thrown in a gully by the Romans to rot there so his followers can see he did not rise from the dead.

Isa bin Yusuf too was a Jewish nationalist and preacher but he had no wherewithal to confront Rome and was preaching theology the Jewish theocrats considered to be heresy yet he had a substantial and growing followers hip. To avoid arrest by the Romans, he insisted his kingdom is only in the hearts of men and said Jews should continue paying tax. He was never a problem to Rome but the theocrats hated his guts. The theocrats were the ones that killed him with a go ahead from the Romans. As expected his followers started to say he resurrected and they were expecting his second coming. The followership was only for Jews but one of the converts named Paul who never met Isa started to convert Gentiles and it became open for all. These were Hellenistic people. Even the Romans were Hellenistic people and the concept of Iesus the perfect son of Zeus was super imposed on the movement that started as a sect of Judaism. The group was originally called Nazarenes after the birth town of the founder but the Greeks of Antioch nicknamed or renamed them Christians seeing them to be of good conduct. Many Muslims still call them Nazarenes or Nassarawa among the Hausa Muslims. The founder never intended the group for non Jews as he never associated with them

20k for consultation fees on your profile

Something way I go pray and fast for 30days and God will answer my prayers immediately

Alapereketu:
no bro

Ok i'm still very much with you.

The Bible Jesus said a lot about how he had nothing materially speaking.

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Luke 9:58

Do you think this person talking can give anyone money when he advised his friends not to accumulate riches here on earth?😟

Alapereketu:
20k for consultation fees on your profile
Something way I go pray and fast for 30days and God will answer my prayers immediately.

The Bible God never promised anyone riches because He is not the one sharing riches in today's world.

He is not partial so whatever He wants to give everyone will get equal share!

lawani:
→Your ancestors 200 years ago were doing as well as any other group on Earth. They brought innovations as well and had an advanced society. Their art today is among the best in the world.
→ They had the tech of the day to produce for local consumption and export including to Europe and the Americas.
→ The British colonized Nigeria or say Yoruba land only from 1897 to 1951!. You have been spreading this kind of tales online and it is better you stop.

1.Name some of these innovations. Since, we are referring to a period of about 200 years, you should have no problem listing at least 5 of them.

2. Local consumption and export including to Europe and Americas? Name some of these products so we can figure out exactly when it was that Europe and Americas engaged in this trade. 😒

3. The British colonized only Yoruba Land? Come on now with this revisionist nonsense! The British established themselves in Lagos and eventually moved to colonize the entire country, including the Northern States which had been under Islamic colonization for almost 1300 prior as it targetted the Sokoto Caliphate in battle after battle until it eventually took over. 😒😒

Alapereketu:
20k for consultation fees on your profile

Something way I go pray and fast for 30days and God will answer my prayers immediately

Babalawo do not fast. You don't have to fast to do expert work that you were trained for.

lawani:
Babalawo do not fast. You don't have to fast to do expert work that you were trained for.

okay 👍

Kobojunkie:
1.Name some of these innovations. Since, we are referring to a period of about 200 years, you should have no problem listing at least 5 of them.

2. Local consumption and export including to Europe and Americas? Name some of these products so we can figure out exactly when it was that Europe and Americas engaged in this trade. 😒

3. The British colonized only Yoruba Land? Come on now with this revisionist nonsense! The British established themselves in Lagos and eventually moved to colonize the entire country, including the Northern States which had been under Islamic colonization for almost 1300 prior as it targetted the Sokoto Caliphate in battle after battle until it eventually took over. 😒😒

Go and research. I am not here to spoonfeed anyone. Your ancestors of 1850 were many times better than you are today in comparison with the rest of the world. If nothing else they produced their own clothes, tools, weapons and etc and they grew rich by exporting goods

The British ruled all of Yoruba land only between 1897 and 1951. Egba land only between 1914 and 1951. Your ancestors were better than you and you are here denigrating them?

lawani:
✓ Go and research. I am not here to spoonfeed anyone. Your ancestors of 1850 were many times better than you are today in comparison with the rest of the world. If nothing else they produced their own clothes, tools, weapons and etc and they grew rich by exporting goods
✓ The British ruled all of Yoruba land only between 1897 and 1951. Egba land only between 1914 and 1951. Your ancestors were better than you and you are here denigrating them?

1. Where is your evidence that your ancestors exported goods -- not slaves -- to Europe and United States prior to the British colonial days? 🥱🥱

2. Records show the British ruled all of Nigeria, eventually renaming all of the land mass as of 1914. So,where is the evidence you have to support these obsequious claims you keep making of the British only ruling parts of Western Nigeria alone? 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is your evidence that your ancestors exported goods -- not slaves -- to Europe and United States prior to the British colonial days? 🥱🥱

2. Records show the British ruled all of Nigeria, eventually renaming all of the land mass as of 1914. So,where is the evidence you have to support these obsequious claims you keep making of the British only ruling parts of Western Nigeria alone? 🥱🥱

The Yoruba made excellent clothes. Over ten types. There are Yoruba clothes in Brazil today still being worn that got there centuries ago. Hausa leather was known in Europe as Moroccan leather centuries before the first Europeans arrived on the shores of west Africa. Clothes and soap formed the bulk of the non farm produce exports of west Africa to Europe. Palm oil was the first fuel of the industrial age and it came from west Africa. It is no different from west Africa being the only crude oil producing region on Earth today.
Where did I say the British ruled Yoruba land alone? I don't have the exact dates for other regions

lawani:
Babalawo do not fast. You don't have to fast to do expert work that you were trained for.

This is why i stopped engaging you because you always tell lies deceiving yourself and the people believing you.
I'm not a traditionalist but i was close to them back in the 80s and 90s before i started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses.
You said Babalawo do not fast shey?
Perhaps you know more than all traditionalists in Africa o!🤔

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i stopped engaging you because you always tell lies deceiving yourself and the people believing you.
I'm not a traditionalist but i was close to them back in the 80s and 90s before i started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses.
You said Babalawo do not fast shey?
Perhaps you know more than all traditionalists in Africa o!🤔

If you were really close to them as you say then you would have known that it is a common saying that Babalawo do not fast.

lawani:
→The Yoruba made excellent clothes. Over ten types. There are Yoruba clothes in Brazil today still being worn that got there centuries ago. Hausa leather was known in Europe as Moroccan leather centuries before the first Europeans arrived on the shores of west Africa. Clothes and soap formed the bulk of the non farm produce exports of west Africa to Europe. Palm oil was the first fuel of the industrial age and it came from west Africa. It is no different from west Africa being the only crude oil producing region on Earth today.
→ Where did I say the British ruled Yoruba land alone? I don't have the exact dates for other regions

You seem interested only in telling meaningless stories, but not in presenting backing for claims made. You claimed that Nigerian tribes exported goods to Europe and America. But have yet to provide even one reference backing up your claim. Why do you insist on pushing a narrative that you are unable to back? 😒😒😒

2. Ah! I see! Your intention all along was to lead us down a meaningless path all along? OK! 😒😒

lawani:
If you were really close to them as you say then you would have known that it is a common saying that Babalawo do not fast.

Stop lying nah.
You are GenZ Babalawo, real babalawo don't ask anyone to come for healing or wealth their duty is to consult spirits regarding what their customer need to do or where he has made a mistake in the past so as to retrace his steps.
The abstinence Babalawo often engage in is to strengthen his connection with the spirits because all spirits do have what they detests therefore during the period a real babalawo wants clear directions on certain matters he must abstain from whatever the spirit in charge of that particular thing detests of course that's what we all know as FASTING!

Kobojunkie:
You seem interested only in telling meaningless stories, but not in presenting backing for claims made. You claimed that Nigerian tribes exported goods to Europe and America. But have yet to provide even one reference backing up your claim. Why do you insist on pushing a narrative that you are unable to back? 😒😒😒

2. Ah! I see! Your intention all along was to lead us down a meaningless path all along? OK! 😒😒

I don't need to be engaging you if you don't know these basic things. I will not give you any evidence. You only know to speak English. I only responded because of how you put down your own ancestors

MaxInDHouse:
Stop lying nah.
You are GenZ Babalawo, real babalawo don't ask anyone to come for healing or wealth their duty is to consult spirits regarding what their customer need to do or where he has made a mistake in the past so as to retrace his steps.
The abstinence Babalawo often engage in is to strengthen his connection with the spirits because all spirits do have what they detests therefore during the period a real babalawo wants clear directions on certain matters he must abstain from whatever the spirit in charge of that particular thing detests of course that's what we all know as FASTING!

Taboo or Eewo is not the same thing as fasting

lawani:
Taboo or Eewo is not the same thing as fasting

Èèwọ̀ is abomination not abstinence.

I said it several times that you know nothing about spirituality because all spiritualists are spirit mediums and each spirit has what they detests so to consult each spirit that's specially in charge of a matter you must be in tune with that particular spirit which neccesitates abstinence from what that spirit detests.

For instance you need to connect someone with the minister for works and the minister hates body spray because he is asthmatic since you are the one connecting the needy person to the minister you must first abstain from body spray even if you love it and also tell the the person you are taking there to do the same thing.

Ọmọ that is what fasting means!

MaxInDHouse:
Èèwọ̀ is abomination not abstinence.

I said it several times that you know nothing about spirituality because all spiritualists are spirit mediums and each spirit has what they detests so to consult each spirit that's specially in charge of a matter you must be in tune with that particular spirit which neccesitates abstinence from what that spirit detests.

For instance you need to connect someone with the minister for works and the minister hates body spray because he is asthmatic since you are the one connecting the needy person to the minister you must first abstain from body spray even if you love it and also tell the the person you are taking there to do the same thing.

Ọmọ that is what fasting means!

But the Babalawos do have a saying that Babalawos do not fast and that saying is in mockery of the Muslims. Fasting in that sense only mean abstinence from food. I have never said I am immersed in Iseese. I grew up as a Christian and learnt Ifa on my own.

Seun:
Believers,

I'm hungry for a debate. Let's discuss whether or not Christianity is the true religion, which is what it claims to be. What's your best evidence?

Let's have some fun!

"Christianity claims to be the true religion"

...and so does Islam, so does Judaism, so does Hinduism, and countless other religions that exist on this entire planet. So simply claiming to be the true religion is not enough. Evidence is still required.

However, do I think there's profound, transformative truth to be found within Christian tradition? Absolutely. The problem is that it has been buried under centuries and centuries of imperial theology designed to keep peasants ignorant and obedient.

The Christ of Constantine bears almost zero resemblance to the illuminating Logos the Gnostics actually encountered. Maybe we can start there before making any claims of exclusivity.

Seun:
The best evidence that Christianity is not true is the account of the resurrection of Jesus in the gospels. The accounts in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are contradictory on basic facts. There is no way to construct a coherent account of the resurrection of Jesus that does't contradict one or more of the biblical accounts. See the contradictions below:

Who went to the tomb?
John: Mary Magdalene alone.
Matthew: Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary."
Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome.
Luke: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women."

Who was at the tomb when they arrived?
Matthew: One angel sitting on the stone outside.
Mark: One young man sitting inside on the right.
Luke: Two men in dazzling clothes standing inside.
John: Two angels sitting inside (but seen later, after Peter and John visit).

What did the women do afterward?
Mark: They fled and said nothing to anyone because they were afraid.
Matthew & Luke: They ran with joy to tell the disciples.

Where did Jesus first appear to the disciples?
Matthew & Mark: The disciples are told to go to Galilee, where they will see him.
Luke & John: Jesus appears to them immediately in Jerusalem.

If the supposed eye-witnesses of the most important event in Christianity couldn't agree on basic facts, their religion can't be true. Right?

Slow down. You can't draw any reasonable conclusions here because your logic - even though it's effective against inerrancy - doesn't actually reach as far as you're swinging it. Let's start with what you've gotten right: you've destroyed the fundamentalist claim that every word is divinely dictated. That's a solid rebuttal. But "the witnesses disagreed on peripheral details" doesn't automatically mean "therefore nothing happened." You're making a huge stretch.

Two witnesses to an actual events can contradict each other regularly on the specifics of what happened while agreeing on something central occurring. What you've actually proven is that institutional Christianity built on a fortress of inerrancy has a catastrophically weak foundation.

And funny enough, this is what Gnostics have been shouting about since the second century. We just drew very different conclusions about the things that remained.

Moremii:
"Christianity claims to be the true religion"

...and so does Islam, so does Judaism, so does Hinduism, and countless other religions that exist on this entire planet. So simply claiming to be the true religion is not enough. Evidence is still required.

However, do I think there's profound, transformative truth to be found within Christian tradition? Absolutely. The problem is that it has been buried under centuries and centuries of imperial theology designed to keep peasants ignorant and obedient.

The Christ of Constantine bears almost zero resemblance to the illuminating Logos the Gnostics actually encountered. Maybe we can start there before making any claims of exclusivity.

Actually no group claims to be the custodian of absolute truth apart from Christianity and Islam. Even their parent Judaism don't. Judaism is only for Jews. The mistake people always make is to lump all spiritualities together when only two are the problem

lawani:
But the Babalawos do have a saying that Babalawos do not fast and that saying is in mockery of the Muslims. Fasting in that sense only mean abstinence from food. I have never said I am immersed in Iseese. I grew up as a Christian and learnt Ifa on my own.

There is no truth in learning ifa on your own that's totally a wrong move it's only poverty that makes people take such wrong step.
Ifa has a lineage of its own practicers so only children whose ancestors were from the practicers of ifa goes to learn more and such do occur when the spirit of ifa keeps on calling that person to come and serve as its priest such a person may even be wealthy through other means but when ifá insists that he should come and serve as ifá priest he must answer the call.
So saying you learned ifá on your own shows your motive is not pure and ifá won't open the sky to tell you that you're false.
Now see what you are always doing here asking people to come and consult you when you don't even know the indepth of what you claim!😟

MaxInDHouse:
There is no truth in learning ifa on your own that's totally a wrong move it's only poverty that makes people take such wrong step.
Ifa has a lineage of its own practicers so only children whose ancestors were from the practicers of ifa goes to learn more and such do occur when the spirit of ifa keeps on calling that person to come and serve as its priest such a person may even be wealthy through other means but when ifá insists that he should come and serve as ifá priest he must answer the call.
So saying you learned ifá on your own shows your motive is not pure and ifá won't open the sky to tell you that you're false.
Now see what you are always doing here asking people to come and consult you when you don't even know the indepth of what you claim!😟

You are not making sense. So if I learn say nuclear physics on my own, it can only be because of poverty? That is stupidity. I was drawn to Ifa, was curious about it and learnt it on my own starting from 2012

Tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians that's why you can't see the truth by simply observing these different religions.
The true Christian Organization is just one and their gathering is an undeniable evidence that Christianity is the only true religion!

Moremii:
Slow down. You can't draw any reasonable conclusions here because your logic - even though it's effective against inerrancy - doesn't actually reach as far as you're swinging it. Let's start with what you've gotten right: you've destroyed the fundamentalist claim that every word is divinely dictated. That's a solid rebuttal. But "the witnesses disagreed on peripheral details" doesn't automatically mean "therefore nothing happened." You're making a huge stretch.

Two witnesses to an actual events can contradict each other regularly on the specifics of what happened while agreeing on something central occurring. What you've actually proven is that institutional Christianity built on a fortress of inerrancy has a catastrophically weak foundation.

And funny enough, this is what Gnostics have been shouting about since the second century. We just drew very different conclusions about the things that remained.