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Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by polite2(m): 12:05pm On Apr 19
This OP is obviously not a Christian. People pls be wise and read the Bible yourself.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by APOSTLECHUMA: 12:14pm On Apr 19
REV 12 DECLARED WOE UNTO ALL THAT DWELL ON EARTH FOR THE REASON OF THINGS THEY WILL SUFFER AND THATS DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION, WHICH WILL START AFTER RAPTURE WHEN THE ANTICHRIST COVENANT BETWEEN THE POPE, ISRAEL, THE CHRISTIAN AND MISLIM WORLD WILL BE BROKEN BY ISRAEL WHEN THEIR EYES WILL BE OPENED TO SEE THAT POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST IN RELIGIOUS WHITE GARMENT AND THEY REFUSE POPE ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW TEMPLE THAT WILL BE BUILT IN PLACE OF AL AQSA MOSQUE. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS A PERIOD THAT VARTICAN THROUGH THE ANTICHRIST (POPE) WILL SLAUGHTER ALL WHO WILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE MARK OF THE BEAST ( 666 ).THIS NUM IS INSCRIBED ON POPE'S GLASS SEAT IN VATICAN IN THESE ITALIAN WORDS--' VICARIUS FILLEII DEI. VATICAN HAS UNITED THE WHOLE RELIGIOUS WORLD UNDER ONE HEAD -THE POPE UNDER ECUMENISM AND INTERFAITHISM AND IT IS FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST BUT THEY TELL IGNORANT PEOPLE THAT IT IS FOR UNITY IN DIVERSITY. UNDER THIS NEW MOVE, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS ETC ETC ALL WORSHIP UNDER ONE ROOF WHILE MAINTAINING THEIR RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES.

Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by Bonapart(m): 1:05pm On Apr 19
MrPresident1:
Proverbs 29:18
King James Version
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.


There is no vision among black people, they exist in a debased spiritual state. Africa is called the 'dark continent' for a reason, it is the same reason a period in Europe was named the 'dark ages' because knowledge and enlightenment was at the lowest ebb.

There is no prophet of the LORD in Africa. Therr is no vision from the LORD. All we have are people who claim to be prophets but none of them is a prophet of the LORD.

If there was a prophet in Nigeria or in Africa, our situation will not be this worst.

In the Bible, there are prophets who were telling kings how to defeat other kings in battle.
There were prophets who were giving recipes to end famine
There were prophets who were giving solutions to end pestilences
There were prophets giving solutions to economic problems

There is no vision, prophet or prophecy among black people.
go and find something useful to do with your already miserable life
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by geoworldedu: 1:25pm On Apr 19
allabig:
But do you know people that believes hell fire exists can either be wrong or right ,, it's 50 / 50

Also , you that think it doesn't exist might be right or wrong also 50 / 50

The recent scientists that went to space Victor gloval of artemis II stated : we need Jesus weather on earth or anywhere, this is one of the top brain in the world ; and u are there with ur 1kb brain wishing doom upon urself,
I say amen to your wish
If I don't believe in hell fire, will I be praying to make hell fire? It's because I believe it body and soul, that's why I'm praying to make hell fire in Jesus name. When the scent are marching into hell fire, o Lord I want to be in the number. When the scents are marching in. cool
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by allabig(m): 1:41pm On Apr 19
grin cheesy grin grin grin grin grin ; u mad pass trump
geoworldedu:
If I don't believe in hell fire, will I be praying to make hell fire? It's because I believe it body and soul, that's why I'm praying to make hell fire in Jesus name. When the scent are marching into hell fire, o Lord I want to be in the number. When the scents are marching in. cool
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 2:05pm On Apr 19
epainos:
Some very few denominations do not believe in rapture. I have checked well, and the rapture is a valid event which will happen. So, if the rapture has not happened, the great tribulation has not started. Disregard this thread and mis-inofrmation this OP is spreading. He is fake. He may attack me, and I wont respond.

Key: Validate that rapture is real. So, let whosoever is telling you this big fat lie first prove that the rapture wont happen. This is when you will start hearing many false doctrines and lies. Your way out is to validate all they are saying with the Bible. Stay with it. Do not let them push you to their journals, and publications. Also, when they tell you about a verse using their Bible, do not take their words. Go and get a real Bible. Here are good Bible: King James Version, New International Version, and a couple of others. Go check normal Bible apps which are not operated by these extremists.

It is not so hard to find their lies. Happy Sunday and stay blessed.
Where in the Bible is it written that Rapture happens before tribulation?
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 2:05pm On Apr 19
geoworldedu:
I wish to be left behind after rapture. I want to experience the Great Tribulation of suffering. Lord help me to make hell fire eventually in Jesus name grin
Sadly, great tribulation comes before the rapture
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 2:06pm On Apr 19
ogascomax:
The great tribulation is the period when the Anti Christ will rule the world for 7 years after the rapture of the church. Jesus says it will be a period or times like the world has never been. The suffering will be extraordinary that it will be difficult not to receive the mark of the beast. They will be no buying and selling for those without the mark.
Don't just miss the rapture of the church.
Jesus is coming very very soon. It can be this year or next or next ect.
So any moment of time.
Where in the Bible is it written that Rapture comes before Great tribulation?
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 2:07pm On Apr 19
APOSTLECHUMA:
REV 12 DECLARED WOE UNTO ALL THAT DWELL ON EARTH FOR THE REASON OF THINGS THEY WILL SUFFER AND THATS DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION, WHICH WILL START AFTER RAPTURE WHEN THE ANTICHRIST COVENANT BETWEEN THE POPE, ISRAEL, THE CHRISTIAN AND MISLIM WORLD WILL BE BROKEN BY ISRAEL WHEN THEIR EYES WILL BE OPENED TO SEE THAT POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST IN RELIGIOUS WHITE GARMENT AND THEY REFUSE POPE ENTRANCE INTO THE NEW TEMPLE THAT WILL BE BUILT IN PLACE OF AL AQSA MOSQUE. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS A PERIOD THAT VARTICAN THROUGH THE ANTICHRIST (POPE) WILL SLAUGHTER ALL WHO WILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE MARK OF THE BEAST ( 666 ).THIS NUM IS INSCRIBED ON POPE'S GLASS SEAT IN VATICAN IN THESE ITALIAN WORDS--' VICARIUS FILLEII DEI. VATICAN HAS UNITED THE WHOLE RELIGIOUS WORLD UNDER ONE HEAD -THE POPE UNDER ECUMENISM AND INTERFAITHISM AND IT IS FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST BUT THEY TELL IGNORANT PEOPLE THAT IT IS FOR UNITY IN DIVERSITY. UNDER THIS NEW MOVE, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS ETC ETC ALL WORSHIP UNDER ONE ROOF WHILE MAINTAINING THEIR RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES.
Where in the Bible can we find that Rapture of the Church comes before Great Tribulation?
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by geoworldedu: 2:08pm On Apr 19
obonujoker:
Sadly, great tribulation comes before the rapture
Ah, omoh, so the spirit of satan is the one leading my pastor all the while for him to be preaching that great Tribulation comes after rapture. I'm happy me and my pastor(great liar) will enter this hell together eventually.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 2:12pm On Apr 19
From the Bible Great Tribulation is the time of Great trouble, Great Persecution of God's children by the Antichrist, and the Wrath of God upon the Antichrist and his followers.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by epainos: 2:36pm On Apr 19
obonujoker:
Where in the Bible is it written that Rapture happens before tribulation?
Na wahoo! You want me to show you. Just tell me to form your religious view for you. You hear. Na your type dem the OP can confuse...and una plenty very well. People who can make simple research. With all the tools we have now...you cannot check and validate this. Ask me again. You hear!
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by ogascomax: 3:34pm On Apr 19
obonujoker:
Where in the Bible is it written that Rapture comes before Great tribulation?
I don't think it's a discussion we can easily have online because you have to look at several scriptures. The Anti Christ cannot manifest until the church is out of this world. It cannot come until the time of the gentiles be over. You must have an understanding of Daniel's prophesy about the last days and other prophesies. Then you must understand Jesus revelation about the last days in Math 24. That chapter reveals several things so you must put all the scriptures together. Some people think that Christians are to go through the tribulation period to taste their Christianity. That is one of the most weird and awkward believe one could have. The tribulation Saints at that times will be people that will believe in Jesus afterwards because of what they have seen or experience at the rapture. The rapture will make doubters to believe in Jesus but it will be too late for them because they will have to pay for their salvation with their own blood. Also Christians that also believe in Jesus that sin was found in them at the time of the rapture those will be the tribulation Saints. It's not some discussion of this sorts I can just have online this way.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by forerunner022(m): 3:45pm On Apr 19
The great tribulation will start in Nigeria by 2027 after Kurubu is sworn for second term.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by 222Martins(m): 3:45pm On Apr 19
ogascomax:
I don't think it's a discussion we can easily have online because you have to look at several scriptures. The Anti Christ cannot manifest until the church is out of this world. It cannot come until the time of the gentiles be over.
grin grin grin That is why it is good to study your bible as a Christian. Jesus Christ himself in Matthew 24 said the rapture will happen after the great tribulation. That for the sake of Christians on earth, the time-frame for the great tribulation will be shortened.

obonujoker:
Where in the Bible is it written that Rapture comes before Great tribulation?
Please ask them again!! grin grin grin

Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by ogascomax: 4:12pm On Apr 19
222Martins:
grin grin grin That is why it is good to study your bible as a Christian. Jesus Christ himself in Matthew 24 said the rapture will happen after the great tribulation. That for the sake of Christians on earth, the time-frame for the great tribulation will be shortened.

Please ask them again!! grin grin grin
That is for the tribulation Saints. Rapture would have happened already. That one you are talking about is during the second coming of Jesus Christ. Rapture is not the second coming of Jesus. 1 Cor 15 speaks about the resurrection of the dead and rapture. 1Thessalonians 4:14-17. Chapter 5 also.
Let me ask you a logical question. If the tribulation period is seven years then how will the coming of Jesus be unknown to us. The day and the time he said no one knows. How can he say no one knows when it has a definite time of seven years. It's the lack of understanding that makes people to mix-up what Jesus was talking about in Math 24.
What even began the whole talk in that chapter. It was a question that was asked.

Matthew 24:3 (KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus was answering several questions that was asked in verse 3.

Since you people don't understand this particular verse you go about misinterpreting the whole verse.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 (KJV) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 5:15pm On Apr 19
I tell you that the great tribulation is ending and not about to start, which should fill every suffering Nigerian with hope and happiness and get us all excited because your lot is about to be changed for good, but what do we get? A cacophony of silly arguments pontificating on things they have zero knowledge about. Do you want to die in suffering? Don't you understand? What manner of mental devolution is this?

President Trump will read the Bible to us. He will read the part that explains your punishment and the reason why God had to block your brains

He will read 2 Chronicles 7:11-22

Christ is risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 5:33pm On Apr 19
ogascomax:
That is for the tribulation Saints. Rapture would have happened already. That one you are talking about is during the second coming of Jesus Christ. Rapture is not the second coming of Jesus. 1 Cor 15 speaks about the resurrection of the dead and rapture. 1Thessalonians 4:14-17. Chapter 5 also.
Let me ask you a logical question. If the tribulation period is seven years then how will the coming of Jesus be unknown to us. The day and the time he said no one knows. How can he say no one knows when it has a definite time of seven years. It's the lack of understanding that makes people to mix-up what Jesus was talking about in Math 24.
What even began the whole talk in that chapter. It was a question that was asked.

Matthew 24:3 (KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus was answering several questions that was asked in verse 3.

Since you people don't understand this particular verse you go about misinterpreting the whole verse.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 (KJV) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
1. How can people who missed the rapture be called saints?? That means tribulations saints (if anything like that is real) will pay with their own blood, can human blood save human beings?

2. What's the difference between Rapture and Second coming? What is the similarity?

3. Even if you think Rapture happens before Tribulation, do you think God will not test human beings yet, so that the repetition of the garden of Eden won't happen in heaven again?

4. Tribulation means suffering, do you think there is a different between Satan persecution of Gods people and Gods wrath?

5. Who is one who is letting, and will Let , according to 2 Thess 2?
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by 222Martins(m):
ogascomax:
Let me ask you a logical question. If the tribulation period is seven years then how will the coming of Jesus be unknown to us. The day and the time he said no one knows. How can he say no one knows when it has a definite time of seven years. It's the lack of understanding that makes people to mix-up what Jesus was talking about in Math 24.
Excuse me sir, are you expecting a worldwide broadcast announcing the commencement of the great tribulation? grin grin grin grin grin grin If you don't know the official launch date of the great tribulation, how can you tell it is in progress and how can you know its end?

Christians have gone through series of massacre and persecutions starting with the Roman empire, to the conquests of christian lands like Turkey by Islam, through the Dark ages, down to ISIS and Boko Haram. The rapid rise and expansion of Islam and the suppression of Christianity. The frolicking of the Pope with other religions to unify them. The proliferation of churches with false doctrine and false prophets. We have gone through World war 1, 2 and currently the rumours of World War 3.

With all these happenings, can you say for certainty we are, or are not in the great tribulation? Go and study your bible and stop relying on hearsay or motivational speakers. The explanation of Jesus Christ was very clear and straightforward....
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by omojeesu(m): 8:11pm On Apr 19
Satan's wrath against God's people (and others) who haven't received the Mark of the Beast - Christians and Jews - starting at about the midpoint of Daniel's 70th "week"! - Matthew 24:15-28.

The Great Tribulation is cut short by the Cosmic Disturbances - Matthew 24:29

Jesus appears in the sky (which is the "sign of His coming and of the end of the world" v.3) - v.30

He orders His angels to evacuate the Elects and Rapture takes place! - Matthew 24:30-31
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by oroje1(m): 10:08pm On Apr 19
If you continue on this path,may Jehovah strike in such a way you'll be forced to believe he's real before this year's end,,,, Amen!!!
m
geoworldedu:
1 Adeola 2: 17
All my people in Nigeria, stop listening to the talks far away from Ephesus and Corinths. Stop reading the nonsense in their books. We also have our books here. Let's focus on them and do good to put lives.

2 Chioma 8: 42

If you wish to allow your souls to be tormented continuously because of the nonsense written in religious books, it's your choice, so enjoy it. But for us who are wise, we say NEVER AGAIN.

Biodun 19:27

A fool will continue worshipping Jehovah and Allah when he has his own gods in his town. That is the greatest height of foolishness. I have never seen an Israelite worshipping Sango, Oya or Osun. But many Nigerian mumu will spend all their lifetime worshipping dead Jehovah.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by oroje1(m): 10:11pm On Apr 19
No mind that atheist,,,if there's no God because he cannot see him,then he himself had no brain since he cannot see his brain
epainos:
You first prove that the standard isnt the real, dont turn it around. The Bible is the standard for Christians, while the Quran is for the Muslims. In the context of Christianity, this is the standard.

You wanna argue it, take your argument to atheism section and leave a thread for Christianity. You wanna engage it, the way it work is for you to discredit the standard first.

But before you discredit the standard, I suggest you pick up the principles guiding debates with respect to the context of debate and knowing the borderline. Don't just jump at every debate. When it is 100% Christianity in context, the standard is what you use. When it is Christianity Vs Islam, you use both books which are tje standards. Have you seen Ifa, Osha, or any other traditional worshipper dabble into strict Christianity and Islam debate? They are wiser than you who seem to be an atheist. Lol. And your type always want to claim they are wise when they dont now their right from the left. cheesy


So, go learn how to stay within the context of a debate first. If you want to push your idea into the context, then discredit the standard first.

If you are able to discredit the standard, then after, I will respond. If you dont, every other rubbish you post out of the context of this thread will surely be ignored.

God loves you and bless you!
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by geoworldedu: 8:01am On Apr 20
oroje1:
If you continue on this path,may Jehovah strike in such a way you'll be forced to believe he's real before this year's end,,,, Amen!!!
m
Wonders 6: 18 - 21

18. Another wonder is the wonder of those who are into mental slavery. They detest everything created from their own region and embrace everything from foreign lands.

19. And if you mention the names of the gods of your land, they will pray against you in the name of the gods of foreign lands, especially in the name of Jehovah.

20. This is the greatest wonder which is the mother of all wonders. They think that Jehovah who is now in a spiritual cage which Otem revealed to us has more power than our own gods who have by now submitted to science.

21. This thing is the mother of all wonders I have ever seen in the world. Therefore I accept and believe the saying which goes this: Wonders shall never end.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by ogascomax: 5:22pm On Apr 20
222Martins:
Excuse me sir, are you expecting a worldwide broadcast announcing the commencement of the great tribulation? grin grin grin grin grin grin If you don't know the official launch date of the great tribulation, how can you tell it is in progress and how can you know its end?

Christians have gone through series of massacre and persecutions starting with the Roman empire, to the conquests of christian lands like Turkey by Islam, through the Dark ages, down to ISIS and Boko Haram. The rapid rise and expansion of Islam and the suppression of Christianity. The frolicking of the Pope with other religions to unify them. The proliferation of churches with false doctrine and false prophets. We have gone through World war 1, 2 and currently the rumours of World War 3.

With all these happenings, can you say for certainty we are, or are not in the great tribulation? Go and study your bible and stop relying on hearsay or motivational speakers. The explanation of Jesus Christ was very clear and straightforward....
It's even strange for you to think that we are in the great tribulation. That means you lack understanding of the prophetic. You believe in hearsay like you earlier said but you just don't have the understanding of the Prophetic. You haven't no knowledge of the question the disciples asked Jesus is verse 3 of that chapter.

Matthew 24:21-22
[21]For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now–no, and never will be [again]. [Dan. 12:1; Joel 2:2.]
[22]And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened.

How can you see this portion of the scriptures and you believe that we are in that time now.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by ogascomax: 7:28pm On Apr 20
obonujoker:
1. How can people who missed the rapture be called saints?? That means tribulations saints (if anything like that is real) will pay with their own blood, can human blood save human beings?

2. What's the difference between Rapture and Second coming? What is the similarity?

3. Even if you think Rapture happens before Tribulation, do you think God will not test human beings yet, so that the repetition of the garden of Eden won't happen in heaven again?

4. Tribulation means suffering, do you think there is a different between Satan persecution of Gods people and Gods wrath?

5. Who is one who is letting, and will Let , according to 2 Thess 2?
Let me answer your first question. Before the death of Christ people lived before and they are those who will make even. Now Jesus Christ went through suffering for the salvation of men that you don't have to do anything or sacrifice to be saved. By believing and accepting Him you will be saved. Now at that time of the great tribulation no man will be able to take is own life. Except you were killed by the anti christ that is how anybody can die. That is why every body will pay for their own salvation through suffering. They will persecute everyone who will not receive the mark until many will not be able to bear the pain and suffering. Some will take it and some will not.
Those who will be persecuted at that time to receive the mark of the beast are the Saints of those times. Many will be killed at that time, many will also accept the beast mark due to suffering and they will be doomed. If Jesus comes today they are Christians due to sin that won't make the rapture. Those once will become the Saints of those times because they will realised that they only have one chance now which is to go through the suffering and reject the mark. Some people will realised that Christians have departed the world and they will believe too. They will equally avoid to take it.
The difference between the rapture and the second coming.
Rapture will happen before the second coming. Now in rapture we we will meet Jesus in the air or cloud.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The second coming of Jesus Christ He comes physically to the earth to rule the earth for a thousand years. He comes along with the raptured Saints to rule the earth.
Your number 3 question. God does not test man. There is no need for that because of we shall be operating with a divine being and we shall be like God. There is no room for temptation there because Satan will already been put into the bottomless pit. Satan is the one that tempt so he won't have such room any more.
4.
God's wroth is God's judgement and it's not for Christians.
5.
According to that passage it was describing the church, Christians. Until the church is taken, raptured Satan or the anti christ will not manifest.
We are the one preventing that for happening.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by obonujoker(m): 9:24pm On Apr 21
ogascomax:
Let me answer your first question. Before the death of Christ people lived before and they are those who will make even. Now Jesus Christ went through suffering for the salvation of men that you don't have to do anything or sacrifice to be saved. By believing and accepting Him you will be saved. Now at that time of the great tribulation no man will be able to take is own life. Except you were killed by the anti christ that is how anybody can die. That is why every body will pay for their own salvation through suffering. They will persecute everyone who will not receive the mark until many will not be able to bear the pain and suffering. Some will take it and some will not.
Those who will be persecuted at that time to receive the mark of the beast are the Saints of those times. Many will be killed at that time, many will also accept the beast mark due to suffering and they will be doomed. If Jesus comes today they are Christians due to sin that won't make the rapture. Those once will become the Saints of those times because they will realised that they only have one chance now which is to go through the suffering and reject the mark. Some people will realised that Christians have departed the world and they will believe too. They will equally avoid to take it.
The difference between the rapture and the second coming.
Rapture will happen before the second coming. Now in rapture we we will meet Jesus in the air or cloud.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The second coming of Jesus Christ He comes physically to the earth to rule the earth for a thousand years. He comes along with the raptured Saints to rule the earth.
Your number 3 question. God does not test man. There is no need for that because of we shall be operating with a divine being and we shall be like God. There is no room for temptation there because Satan will already been put into the bottomless pit. Satan is the one that tempt so he won't have such room any more.
4.
God's wroth is God's judgement and it's not for Christians.
5.
According to that passage it was describing the church, Christians. Until the church is taken, raptured Satan or the anti christ will not manifest.
We are the one preventing that for happening.
If the main apostles of Christ who were fervent and strong with the holy ghost and power could go through much tribulation, Why do you think today Christians will escape the test of God by rapture, with their watered down Christianity?

Also the parable of the ten virgins, when the bridegroom came, was their room for any other salvation after the door was shut?

Well, we have to follow what Jesus said, not what the world says;

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by ogascomax: 7:28am On Apr 22
obonujoker:
If the main apostles of Christ who were fervent and strong with the holy ghost and power could go through much tribulation, Why do you think today Christians will escape the test of God by rapture, with their watered down Christianity?

Also the parable of the ten virgins, when the bridegroom came, was their room for any other salvation after the door was shut?

Well, we have to follow what Jesus said, not what the world says;

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
You are confusing Christian persecution from tribulation. Persecution has always been there and it's individual bases but tribulation is for a definite period which have not began.
Now understand the difference and something here. For the rapture Jesus comes and we meet Him in the cloud according to 1 Thess 4:15-17
But the scripture you shared in Math 24 Jesus will come down to the earth and the whole world will see him. For the rapture nobody is seeing Him and we will meet him there in the cloud.
Understand something Math 24 Jesus speaks about the rapture, great tribulation and the end of the world.
In verse 3 they ask Jesus some questions which He began answering through out that chapter.
The scripture below is what we happen after the tribulation
Daniel 12:1-2 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 6:09pm On Apr 24
Keep this in mind, the great tribulation is not starting, it is ending. The people who were so brutally mistreated, massacred, castrated and enslaved on an industrial scale were the Jews who fled into the interiors of Africa, God himself kept them in a fugue state to enable them endure the tribulation. He wiped off their memory. Judah forgot her place of rest

But now Christ is risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of them that slept, and afterwards those that are Christ's at his coming
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 8:15am On Apr 25
The great tribulation will end with the revelation of the risen Christ.
A lot of commentaries have been given about the church being the spiritual Israel bit not mic is said about the physical Israel. Israel were a people whom the LORD himself dispersed. He will regather then. But why is almost no one interested in knowing who the real Jews or physical Israel are? I think this is part of the great deception in the world. Israel and Judah were physical people and according to the word of God they will be regathered

But , they are presently in the throes of the great tribulation. The world is in turmoil because usurpers have usurped the throne and are living on stolen identity. The Israelis are not the Israelites of the Bible, rather, they are the Amalekites the prime son of Esau who were the first to raise up their sword against Israel when God redeemed them from Egypt. By this act they earned primacy among the sons of Esau.

Now, as I said earlier, the end of the tribulation is the revelation of Christ and his sitting on the throne of his people.

Corinthians 15:19,23
King James Version
19 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


The Bible says that Christ is risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that died, it was a spiritual mentalndewth, disconnection from God hixh made them to become living carcasses. Christ is the first among them to come back into knowledge because the world of God is the Spirit of God, he is the first to wake up from the dead; He has grown in spirith and in truth, and shortly he will begin to reign among his people after being revealed in the clouds of heaven, on the mountain which oversee they whole earth.

1 Corinthians 15:23
King James Version
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


Everyman will arise in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, meaning that Christ arises first from that deep fugue state that God placed his people which made them to forget who they are till date. Not all of us shall arise from sleep arpt the same time, Christ arises first, and then those that are he's at his coming

These two verses establish the dichotomy between the revelation of Christ, which ends the great tribulation, and his coming in which we shall all be changed
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 8:42am On Apr 25
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
King James Version
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This passage tells us that things that Jesus will achieve when he appears or is revealed to end the great tribulation. He will reign and he will destroy all enemies both physical and spiritual, because he is the head of all principalities and powers, everything will be made subject to him.

When he is revealed, there will be resistance to his reign especially from other established powers, but it is written that he will put down all rule and authority and power.

When he has subdued everything and everyone, then the Son himself will be subject unto him that put all things under him, this is the coming of God.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 8:47am On Apr 25
Colossians 1:13-19
King James Version
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


This is the way God describes his Christ and the enormity of the power and authority and rulership that he has granted unto his Chosen One that in all things, all things whatsoever, he might have the preeminence, the one who was before all things and by whom all things consist, he is the one who owns everything and is everything and binds everything together; the image of the invisible God, for whom everything was created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

This is the enormity of power rule authority and dominion which the Most High has granted to Christ.

This is the purpose of the revelation of Christ, to end the great tribulation, and to bring everything under subjection. He must rule and reign.
Re: What Is The Great Tribulation? by MrPresident1(op): 8:49am On Apr 25
You cannot understand these things of you keep beloeveing that the Israelis are the Israelites of the Bible or the great at tribulation is in the future.

But many who have been chosen will understand.
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