What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? - Christianity Etc (2) - Nairaland
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| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:33am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:O dear, the literalist. did you never wonder about the words "people have eyes yet they do not see/he who has eyes let him see? So because God did not directly say that "the woman shall serve the man" do you not see the words that infer it? Same way you missed God condemned slavery and polygamy https://www.nairaland.com/7554359/god-condemned-slavery-7-bible#120625456 https://www.nairaland.com/8224849/god-through-bible-what-stopped.slavery#132191707 https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884 Same thing in the curses God laid on Eve. There are many curses loaded in it that is affecting womankind and that is what the whole world is responding to. And if you want to see,, you would see that even the women are behaving in accordance with them all which is why they behave in certain ways around men and they hate men like Darwin said they are jealous of a man. https://www.nairaland.com/8364440/eve-completely-burnt-womens-graces https://www.nairaland.com/8069879/another-proof-eves-adultery-mens So, you see people are only responding to what is there and yes ivu men made it worse plus many a men gave women respect and equality and the women showed that they do not deserve it. It is all coming from the curses God laid on Eve |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 2:51am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:There is a curse for anyone that adds to the revelations of God and it's many times greater than that of Eve. She was never cursed we slavery . God expects you to love and honour your wife not to treat her like a slave. If your father before you treated your mother as his slave, it's your responsibility to break that curse with your wife. I give my wife respect and treat her as an equal and she deserves it. Your wife also deserves it. Stop treating her like trash. And please, stop blaming God when you mistreat your woman |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:31am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:Now you resort to fallacy ad baculum because you cannot counter. tctrills:Denial does not change the facts . tctrills:Off Point and stop deflecting tctrills:Where did you see me mistreat my wife not to talk of blaming God? Please stop Lying and deflecting! |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:39am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:See perversion and twisting. I clearly said "Men complaining about women does not even tilt the global gender inequality against women. If anything the men complaining are even the ones who gave their women equality and have found that the women don't deserve it" Yet see how you dodged it and fled from the point to zoom on a non issue |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 8:09am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:You had no point. I asked you about billions of men and women who live in peace and treat each other with respect. I understand you don't think it is possible for men to treat women decently because of your up bringing. And you don't thing women deserve dignity and respect but I do and so do billions out there. But you only know those who complain. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:16am On Apr 20*. Modified: 8:53am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:Now, your usual telling of lies when you don't have anything to say has started, then you wonder why I say that there is no way you can miss hel. (That aside) The topic is not about the billions of men and women who live in peace bla bla bla That is you lying and changing post. The topic was global gender inequality against women which you cannot deny hence your dodging and your perversion/changing of the issue. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 8:18am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:You call the word of God fallacy. And yet you claim to be a Christian. You don't even know the meaning of facts. Facts can be proven with data. I asked you to provide data but you are not capable of things like that. I am not emotional, I am data driven. Oga you think your wife, mother and daughter are cursed to be your slaves that's more than enough evidence that you have zero respect and you show them no dignity. You do not love them, to you, they are just property. You believe God gave them to you as tools. Let me prove my point with a very clear straight forward question. Do you think God cursed your mother, daughter and sisters to be slaves. We both know you can never answer the question above because it will make you a monster. Answer the question and that ends the argument. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 8:23am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:What gender inequality are you talking about my boy? If billions treat their women right and with respect, they are not practicing inequality. Lastly, with the exception of some Muslim countries, mention any rights men have that women don't? How is the average Nigerian man not equal to the average woman? Please answer. Today, in Europe and the US, women seem to have more rights than men, are you saying that the curse of Eve did not get to Europe and America? |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:52am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:fallacy ad baculum. A fallacy that occurs when someone uses the threat of negative consequences—rather than reason or evidence—to compel acceptance of a conclusion. It replaces logical argumentation with intimidation Key Aspects of Ad Baculum: Definition: It is an "appeal to force" or threat. Instead of proving a claim is true, the speaker suggests that failure to accept it will result in harm tctrills:Off Point. And your fallacy up here proves that you have lost logic and reasonability. tctrills:Now you resort to emotional blackmail and insalt the fallacy of ad hominem/ad feminam/ appealing to every emotional blackmail using women since God blackmail did not work. All still the same fallacy of replacing logical argumentation with intimidation and blackmail since you real eyes that you cannot make any reasonable argument at all ![]() |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:04am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:It is now you are seeing gender inequality? You should have kept on knocking your head on your billions who live in peace. ![]() Anyway, Why did you not go and argue with those people on the threads i showed you? Go and argue with them. And besides Google sayss Yes, gender inequality persists in Europe and North America, despite significant progress. I'm sure you will deny that you don't know the meaning of "still persists" plus how long it has been persisting. But anyway, i don't care. Keep living in denial. Your denial does not stop God's curs on women |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 9:19am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:Your point is that anything written on a nairaland thread is fact right? Can you mention one law in the UK that enforces gender inequality? Again, if there is gender inequality, which gender is the favoured one? In the US and UK, the female gender is favoured not the male. So you can make the argument that the man is the slave there. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 9:22am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:This is not emotional blackmail. You by your own affirmation called your mother a slave. You said Gid cured your mother to be a slave. So this isn't emotional blackmail. It is what you believe. You treat your mom like a slave but some of us adore our mothers |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 9:42am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:Just one question for you, is inequality equal to slavery? |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:53am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:Google says Emotional blackmail is a potent form of manipulation and a type fallacy where an individual uses Fear, Obligation, or Guilt (FOG) Lies, Insalts, Intimidation and Harassment to control another person's behavior, rather than using valid reasoning or evidence to support their demands So, the bottom line is since you cannot make any reasonable argument you have resorted to lies, abuse and blackmail. A case of "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. -Marcus Tullius Cicero 😁😁😁😁 |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:55am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:Slavery is a sign and indication of inequality. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:12am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:You can ask Google |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 10:12am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:So, inequality is equal to slavery? So if I am richer than you, that's wealth inequality, those that make you my slave? Next question, is your mother a slave? |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 10:15am On Apr 20 |
Dtruthspeaker:I did not abuse you sir. You said women are your slaves. I assumed your mother is a woman. That simply makes her your slave. Unless you are saying that other women except your mother are slaves. Or unless your mother is a man. I would never have called your mother a slave if you didn't indicate that. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:16am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:See how you are so used to perversions, is that what i said? |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:20am On Apr 20 |
tctrills:Save your excuse and lies for Judgement Day |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Theawakensoul(op): 6:04pm On Apr 21 |
MaxInDHouse:I understand what you’re saying, and I actually respect the emphasis on real conversations and reasoning. You’re right—many people today are not satisfied with just being quoted from a book. They want understanding. They want clarity. And that example you gave proves something important… 👉 People are no longer just looking for answers. 👉 They are looking for meaning. But here’s where I would expand the conversation a bit. Even when you go from house to house… 👉 The real question is not just what is being said 👉 But how deeply it is being understood Because someone can hear explanations, scriptures, reasoning… And still not experience transformation internally. Take the example you gave about the woman. You said she wanted intelligent answers, not just quotations. That’s true. But even beyond logic… 👉 What she is really searching for is understanding that connects within her. And that’s the deeper point I’m making. Whether it’s: Street preaching Door-to-door Church teaching 👉 If it doesn’t lead a person to inner realization… Then it remains external information. And information alone doesn’t awaken anyone. 👉 Awareness does. So when I ask, “Why do certain questions make you uncomfortable?” It’s not an attack on preaching methods. 👉 It’s a reflection on something deeper: Are we helping people truly understand… 👉 Or just helping them adopt another explanation? Because truth is not just something you explain to someone. 👉 It’s something they come to see for themselves. So yes, conversations matter. Reasoning matters. But beyond all that… 👉 Awakening is an inner experience. That’s the level I’m pointing to. 📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness The Awaken Soul (TAS) Awareness Over Belief. 🔥 |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:45pm On Apr 21 |
This is what the Bible condemns: Where each person will come up with his or her own personal opinion. Each person will say he or she feels the connection within yet they can't work together for the good of their community. The person behind this idea in the Bible is called "Satan" to him there shouldn't be any form of agreement on opinion each person should discover himself or herself in other words each person should be his or her own God. The Bible says there is only one God and to Him all humans must submit no matter the level of your intelligence or understanding. I proved to the lady that she has been possessed by a powerful spirit because there is no way two persons of the same gender could mate to reproduce. She then ask me whether it's compulsory that we reproduce that's when i reminded her that without reproduction humans are gradually moving towards extinction. That's when she opened up that she was introduced to the act and she is now addicted to it because she doesn't think any man can understand her like her lesbian friend. But when i told her that if a man really loves her the man will do much more than her lesbian friend who doesn't have what it takes to satisfy a female. I ended the discussion when i noticed she's starting to have feelings for me saying i'm the first man that really understood her and i told her that there millions of men like me out there and that she's the one locking herself up in her own box!🤔 Theawakensoul: |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Theawakensoul(op): 2:37pm On Apr 22 |
Dtruthspeaker:I think there’s an important distinction that needs to be made here, because this conversation is mixing interpretation, assumption, and projection together. Let’s slow it down. You’re suggesting that what was said to Eve automatically translates into a permanent condition for all women, that it justifies how women behave today and how society responds to them. But that raises a serious question: 👉 Are we reading the text… or reading our interpretation into the text? Because when you look closely, many of these conclusions are not explicitly stated. 👉 They are inferred. And inference is not the same as truth. For example: Saying “your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you” can be read in different ways: 👉 As a description of a broken human condition 👉 Or as a prescription of how things should be Those are two completely different things. One explains what happens in a fallen state… 👉 The other justifies it. The danger is when people take a description of human struggle… 👉 And turn it into a divine approval of inequality. Also, connecting modern behavior of women to an ancient “curse” is a very broad generalization. 👉 Human behavior is shaped by culture, environment, psychology, and personal experience, not just a single interpretation of a text. And bringing in statements like women “don’t deserve respect”… That goes beyond interpretation. 👉 That becomes a personal conclusion, not a spiritual one. Because if we’re being honest: 👉 Respect is not something a group “deserves” or “doesn’t deserve” 👉 It’s a reflection of one’s own level of understanding and humanity Even within the same scriptures, there are principles of: 👉 Love 👉 Mutual respect 👉 Equality in value So the question becomes: 👉 Are we using scripture to understand humanity… 👉 Or to justify our assumptions about it? Because the same text can either: 👉 Open your awareness 👉 Or reinforce your bias It all depends on how it is approached. This is why questioning and deeper reflection matter. Not to reject anything… 👉 But to avoid turning interpretation into absolute truth. At the end of the day: 👉 Truth should bring clarity, not confusion 👉 Understanding, not division 👉 Awareness, not judgment That’s the level this conversation should be happening on. 📘 https://selar.com/christ-consciousness The Awaken Soul (TAS) Awareness Over Belief. 🔥 |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 4:07pm On Apr 23 |
You can't seen to reflect at all or you'd see how guilty you are of all you accuse tctrills of. But what's funnier is you thinking others don't notice. Dtruthspeaker:
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| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:15pm On Apr 23 |
budaatum:The lying thing you see neither tctrills nor any other unbiased person did not say so, rather he bent to other manipulation antics. And everyone saw that hence why you came to lyie |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:44pm On Apr 23 |
Theawakensoul:You forget that interpretation, assumption, projection are what we use to read and keep up with the activities going on everyday whether at home, school or office. Even you too here are giving us your own interpretations, assumptions and projections And the most important part about interpreting and all is the presentation of your interpretation to the person or public for correction or confirmation, hence why we have laws of arguments and evidence and proof to ascertain the Truth from the lies. And what you may not know is that we all first saw what things happened to women first even before any of us heard what God had Said in the Bible. And this is where I remind you that the first time you heard the word "barren" you asked why would a woman be barren. And if you want the Truth, you would remember that whenever women are answering that question they are always uncomfortable, that is if they do not answer you "what is your business?" And no, it is not a modern behaviour but as old as time eg David prayed for the barren to conceive a fact you also happened to Rachael, Sarah and Rebecca. And if you read old novels like Jeffrey Archer's "only time will tell" you would see that women today are exactly like 1939. And on respect, we all know that respect flows only in the direction of people who only do the right thing always. Even you won't respect woman whose work is to fornicate with men and women for money nor can you respect a rapist. And this is where the Bible adviced that we should only do the right and honourable thing. So, i am saying what we all have seen and that is the same thing the Bible also commented upon and explaining what was going on, even predicting what must happen and given its own advice to any who wants a different outcome |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 8:57am On Apr 24 |
Dtruthspeaker:This man. Learn to be calming down ok. You claimed your God cursed your mother to be a slave. My own Gid did not curse my mother. We definitely don't serve the same God. Yours wants women to be slaves, my gives freedom to all His children. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:14am On Apr 24 |
tctrills:This man, keep on lying and being fallaciously manipulative, see who would turn left and right calling for help when ☠️ starts drawing out your soul |
| Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by tctrills: 10:40am On Apr 24 |
Dtruthspeaker:1. Don't you believe women are cursed to be slaves? 2. Did you not claim that even though nothing of such is written in the bible, but somehow that was what God meant? 3. You claimed that inequality is equal to slavery so when women complain of inequality, it means that are slaves. 4. Did you not also claim that when men treat women right, the end up regretting it? Hence women should be treated like slaves. If you claim I am lying about any of the above, I will quote your exact words. But then, if you have changed your mind and opinion, that would be welcomed. Or let me give you a fresh start by asking, did God curse women with slavery? |
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