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onehope:
From my observation and experience, I realized that many who claim to be atheist are actually working for Satan and have a very good relationship with Satan. Their job is to deceive the public and make them indifferent about the things of God to the advantage of Satan.

Who is satan?

DeepSight:
There are very few harmless things that can be classed as immoral in my opinion. In fact I can hardly think of one.
For me, being gay is unnatural, not necessarily immoral.

So it's ok for your son to marry a man since it's not immoral?

What about your daughter, if she tells u she wants to become an adult sex worker or build career in onlyfans, will u agree. Or is that one unnatural or immoral.

EnemyofGod4:
Leave atheist alone, and focus your imaginary God,

Forget about the morality of Atheist,
All what Atheist want from you is to prove to them the existence of God,

Let me tell you the truth,

There's no ,concretable, reliable ,approvable and acceptable evidence of God existence.

God, Jesus Christ, Angeles,Satan and demons doesn't exist.theres no evidence of their existence.

OP.,free yourself from religious bondage.

U can't be benefitng from something but yet deny it's existence. That's hypocrisy and we will call u out for it.

Tell me, will u be frown at your 16 year daughter if she takes contraceptive pill so she can enjoy free regular sex with her boyfriend.

Will u applaud your 16 year old daughter if she goes to have an abortion to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

Why will u frown, why would u consider her behaviour immoral. Where is such concept coming from.

Answer my question

My morality as an atheist comes from evolved human empathy, reason, and the pursuit of well-being — not divine commands. Humans are social animals; evolution gave us instincts for fairness, cooperation, and aversion to harm because groups that cared for each other survived better. We refine this with reason: actions are right if they promote flourishing and reduce suffering, based on evidence and consequences.

Philosophers have long grounded secular morality this way.
David Hume wrote: “In all determinations of morality, this circumstance of public utility is ever principally in view.”
Immanuel Kant emphasized reason and the categorical imperative: treat people as ends, not means.
Even Albert Einstein noted: “A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary.”

Your claim that morality requires God runs into the Euthyphro dilemma (from Plato): Is something good because God commands it (making morality arbitrary), or does God command it because it is already good (meaning goodness exists independently of God)? Adding God doesn't solve the foundation — it just shifts the question.
Believers also face issues with consistency. You say the Bible is your unchanging moral source, yet it contains clear contradictions and commands that modern Christians reject:

Slavery: Exodus 21:20-21 allows beating slaves (“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies... he must be punished. But if the slave survives... he is not to be punished”). Leviticus 25:44-46 permits buying slaves from surrounding nations as permanent property. Yet most Christians today oppose slavery.
Genocide: Deuteronomy 20:16-17 commands: “...you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.” 1 Samuel 15:3 orders: “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants.”

Women's status: 1 Timothy 2:12 says “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” Ephesians 5:22-24: “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.” Many Christians now support equality.
Believers constantly reinterpret or ignore these using empathy and modern reason — the same tools atheists use openly. If the Bible was truly the perfect moral foundation, why the changes over time?

On your examples (gay marriage, transgender, teen sex, etc.): I evaluate by harm, consent, and well-being, not ancient rules. Loving adult relationships don't cause objective harm. Medical consensus guides gender dysphoria. Open talks about contraception prevent real suffering (unwanted pregnancies, STIs). I'd support my child's healthy, consensual choices and judge outcomes for kids, not rigid "traditional" dogma.

Atheism isn't a moral system — it's lack of belief in gods. It lets us build ethics on reality, evidence, and shared humanity. Secular societies often show strong family values, low crime, and high well-being. Religions preserved useful ideas (like the Golden Rule), but morality is older than any scripture and predates them through evolution.

According to Walter Isaacson's biography, a 13-year-old Steve Jobs renounced Christianity in 1968 after seeing a Life magazine cover showing starving children during the Nigerian Civil War (Biafran War). He questioned his pastor if God knew about the suffering, and upon being told yes, decided he did not want to worship such a God......

If you really think religion raises high standard of morality, you are joking. In fact, the more I see the dubious and hypocritical life styles of the so called religious people, the more I am happy not to be one..... Religion is a scam. To possess good human nature comes naturally. while it is true that society and environment could sometimes influence one's morality standard, its a fat lie that religion makes one a better person. If at all, the only thing religion could do is to help some folks conceal their immoral and evil tendencies.

immortalcrown:
Atheist's source of mortality is Relativism. That is why atheism can be very dangerous.

This is golden rule. Golden rule, if not guided, will manifest as subjectivism. For instance, some cultures permit wives to entertain visitors in bed. A man practicing such a culture will sleep with married women and allow his own wife to be laid by other men. He will do to others what he allows others to do to him. Do you now see the danger of unguided golden rule? So, your comment does not answer the question raised in the post.

Conscience is not enough. Conscience uses remorse to react to what is known or experienced. What about things you don't know or understand? How can conscience be the solution? Conscience is not what revealed that abortion is immoral. Conscience does not condemn death penalty for criminals. The knowledge that premarital sex is immoral did not come from conscience. Conscience is reactive, morality (Objectivism) is proactive.

Mehnnn you are well read, maximum respect.

immortalcrown:
Atheist's source of mortality is Relativism. That is why atheism can be very dangerous.

Atheism just means I don’t believe in gods. It doesn’t tell you where I get my morals, same way theism doesn’t tell me which morals you follow. Some atheists are relativists. I’m not. I think hurting people is wrong because people actually get hurt ,not because someone wrote it down.

If morality only comes from God, explain why atheist countries like Japan and Sweden aren’t lawless hellscapes, and why heavily religious societies still have crime. Seems like empathy and consequences do a lot of work in this regard.

Last answer I mean a fool says in his heart there is no God.

Now the you admitted nothing can come into existence without an effect or effort of something.

Now where did God came from can't be interpretated by our limited humans brains. The Bible says God is eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, He is the beginning and the end.
He is not limited by time, space and matter. He created everything, He existed outside those things. It just like the manufacturer of a computer is not inside the computer but outside of it. So the computer can't feel and understand how to be outside it own system or environment so that why our brain shut down when we ask that question. No answer

Thinks.

EnemyofGod4:
A fool says in his heart there's God.

I will ask you one question and if you can answer me, I will answer all your useless questions.

Who created God ? I mean how did God came into existence ?

Where was God when he created heaven and earth ?
Tell me ,where is hellfire located ?

hellfire and heaven are in different realms, they are not in our own realm. The world we are is a realm but hellfire and heaven is not a physical realm but a spiritual realm which can't be detected by human or science.
When u sleep and you dream, have you ever experienced u find yourself in a relm you can't explain the experience with human terms but u feel it so real that u wake up feeling overwhelmed. And immediately forget about the experience or have little memory of it. The thing is when we sleep our spirits enter different realms outside our world. So we will only understand the reality better after you pass on to the afterlife

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

I'm not an atheist, but I'm a cautious observer of religion due to its inherent flaws. You're a Christian, I surmise, meaning your belief system, and consequently your source of morality, came into existence some 2,000 years ago. Juxtapose this with the fact that society and culture and philosophy have existed for at least 7,000 years before the Abrahamic religions and your arguments start unravelling. Before the Bible, how did ancient civilisations solve moral quandaries?

Morality stems from an inherent and innate part of conscience and consciousness, detached from any cosmic inferences. Philosophy deals with existential questions and justice. Does justice and fairness require the Bible to strike balance? No. Even animals have a certain semblance of morality; dogs tend to be faithful and obedient to their owners, and i can guarantee no canine is versed in scripture.

So how do we also confront the issue of a vengeful, wrathful, jealous, transactional, and seemingly unhinged religious deity who ordered the outright massacre of people he didn't like such as the Amaleks, down to infants and animals? What about the concept of burning people in hell who are born and raised in a different belief system or who don't obey this vengeful god? Why does this deity allow pestilence, death, hunger, floods, wars, and other calamities befall the so-called innocent and guilty?

If your god has a moral compass, he'll love everyone equally, never create the devil, and make life on earth a paradise.

SIRTee15:
What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

What is good and evil? If killing someone for no reason is evil, why does your god do it daily with seeming indifference? If afflicting someone with disease and suffering is evil, why did he create a world full of everything poisoning and harming his creations indiscriminately?

Before the Bible 2,000 years ago, how come other civilisations florished and thrived with justice systems? Obviously they had moral templates stemming from somewhere: But where? philosophy? Conscience? Definitely not the Bible, and if you say they had religion back then, well what they worshipped are considered idols after the Bible was written.

SIRTee15:
As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

Do you believe in human sacrifice? Society says it's wrong and you'll go to jail it you do it. But in Judges 11:30-31 the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, ended up with Jephthah burning his daughter as a ritual sacrifice in return for god granting him victory. That sounds not just immoral, but deeply disturbing and haunting.

Incest is something outlawed by society but god blessed Abraham for marrying his sister in Genesis 20:11-12. Would you marry your sister? Would you disobey the laws of Nigeria where incest is illegal and marry your sister?

SIRTee15:
To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

Reverse is also applicable, especially in the example of incest i gave above. Same thing with slavery which is endorsed in the Old and New Testament. Would you own slaves in obedience despite society outlawing it? How do you justify this act of cruelty towards fellow humans? What's your moral high ground for owning slaves?

SIRTee15:
How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Fornication is sex between an unmarried couple, right? So how come prominent figures had concubines, such as Abraham (Hagar, Keturah), Jacob (Bilhah, Zilpah), Gideon, David, and Solomon? Is this not outright fornication?

Homosexuality and transgenderism are considered psychological anomalies because clearly nature has only two distinct genders, thus why some people have an aversion to it. Many civilisations thrived in such acts without any divine wrath visited upon them. Even at that, it's still something that is simply unnatural and thus such a taboo, not necessarily because of religion. Have you ever seen a gay dog, or a lesbian chimp? It's unnatural.

SIRTee15:
Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?

You're a Christian only because you were born into a Christian home. You'd no say in the matter. Thus, your parents indoctrinated you into the ways in which they too were likely raised. Should your parents have indoctrinated you too, or should they've allowed you alone to discover your direction on your own?

SIRTee15:
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

Society frowns at it, as does culture, as does natural parental instinct of protecting their own. Marriage is largely a socio-cultural construct because a Christian does not typically regard a married Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu couple as fornicators. Once society witnessed or accepts they're married, it's not fornication. No one needs biblical validation for married couples from other cultures.

SIRTee15:
If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

Because same-sex attraction is completely unnatural. In all floral and faunal kingdoms, opposites attract. Same-sex attraction goes against this natural order and thus repulses most societies, and therefore it's considered taboo. You don't need the bible to tell you something is bizarre or unnatural. Like I said, show me the gay dog and I'll agree nature is fine with homosexuality and ascribe the universal repulsion to religious injunctions.

SIRTee15:
If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

See previous response. You can't change lead into gold anymore than you can change one gender to another. It's unnatural.

SIRTee15:
Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

This is a repetition of the same 16 year old girl scenario. Same response. By the way, why does the Bible demand marriage of only humans? Why do other higher mammals like chimps and dogs get to have sex with any random female without this bother of fornication vs marriage thing? Could it be possible mankind just invented this societal construct as a means of owning their chosen mate without fighting off other males purely from primal jealousy?

So how do we explain the biblical god who came upon Mary and impregnated her without marrying her? This is even adultery, not just fornication, because she was a married woman!

SIRTee15:
The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Wrong. Ancient philosophy way before the Bible handled matters of morality, existentialism, nihilism, and ancient societies used some of these philosophical underpinnings to create social prescriptions for behavior and cultural expectations, which became tradition. One can even argue that the holy books infused these preexisting moral templates into their narratives with some added dose of dogmatic interpretation and interpolation.

SIRTee15:
Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

Some of the most evil people in history are believers, while some of the kindest and harmless are atheists. Religion has been far more responsible for endless suffering and violence than atheism, agnosticism, and heresy. Europe has fought religious wars spanning centuries over religion, and even today we're seeing hatred, distrust, violence, and suffering because of religion, not in spite of it.

SIRTee15:
This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

Morality can and does exist on a separate plane from dogma, because it's an inherent part of conscience, consciousness, philosophical thoughts, and influence of environment, which coalesce into culture and tradition and ultimately justice and belief systems. You've no proof that the religion predates morality, while there's circumstancial evidence that religion actually borrowed from philosophical thoughts and practices to codify its laws.

SIRTee15:
I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

I'm neither an atheist nor a zealot; I straddle the fence simply because my curiosity and natural skepticism preclude illogical dogma and contradictions. However, I can confidently say that while no one can convincingly disprove the existence of a Sky Daddy, no one can convincingly prove it either. And inbetween this problem lies the domain of the rational thinker.

UnknownQueen:
Atheism just means I don’t believe in gods. It doesn’t tell you where I get my morals, same way theism doesn’t tell me which morals you follow. Some atheists are relativists. I’m not. I think hurting people is wrong because people actually get hurt ,not because someone wrote it down.

If morality only comes from God, explain why atheist countries like Japan and Sweden aren’t lawless hellscapes, and why heavily religious societies still have crime. Seems like empathy and consequences do a lot of work in this regard.

Law is different from Mortality. Some things that are lawful are immoral. Example, death sentence. Some things that are moral are unlawful. Example, breaking into someone's apartment because you have not seen the person for days and you fear that something might have happened to the person inside the apartment. So, what exactly is your point?

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SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

Evil is a manifestation of ignorance, majority of Atheists are very brilliant, infact you can never become an atheist withiout being brilliant. In Nigeria, alot of people and pastors are atheists, but still practicing religion.

A brilliant person with wisdom think twice before they do anything, and that give them leverage to make a wise decisions. Education, society, financial status and our backgrounds actually determine and influence our moral standard in the society.

DeepSight:
I get that. This is why I said "lean towards" being objective as opposed to saying such a thing is outrightly objective.

Nonetheless we have come across this with you before. Where you seem to resist the notion that what is subjective is what an individual mind believes. You cannot just say the mind in general, as a vague reference to any or all minds. Subjectivity is actually the personal individual mind. It's down to the individual.

This is at the root of my problem with the statement that morality is subjective. Because it would mean to each his own, and effectively mean that there is nothing like morality beyond what each person considers right or wrong.

Subjective doesn't mean individual that is the problem. Subjective means mind dependent, that is it.

Kobicove:
Replace the word "created" with "born".

Are you happy now? 😊

Doesnt solve it.

LordReed:
Subjective doesn't mean individual that is the problem. Subjective means mind dependent, that is it.

Relative to an individual. Not the way you are using it. You are using it as though one can be referring to mind in an abstract sense away from the individual. The word means mind dependent and that mind is the mind of an individual.

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In logic and philosophy, the term subjective refers to any claim or perception whose truth-value depends on the internal state, perspective, or "subject" of the person making it.

​When you say your symptoms are "meaning subjective," you are highlighting that they exist within your own consciousness rather than as an external, verifiable object.

​1. Subjective vs. Objective in Logic

​Subjective: Dependent on the mind. (e.g., "The food tastes metallic." ) This is a statement about your internal experience.

​Objective: Independent of the mind. (e.g., "The pill is 20mg." ) This remains true regardless of who observes it. . .

If I don't want someone to make me feel bad, why should I make others feel bad. It's just rational thinking.

adeniyi65:
If I don't want someone to make me feel bad, why should I make others feel bad. It's just rational thinking.

It's the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and it predates Christianity.

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

If the reason you do good is because of a God, then you're already out of the business of God.

You don't need a God to know good or bad, right or wrong. It's actually we humans that set the context for them, not a God.

The only reason you should do good is because it's the right thing to do.

yemmit90:
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Evil is a manifestation of ignorance, majority of Atheists are very brilliant, infact you can never become an atheist withiout being brilliant. In Nigeria, alot of people and pastors are atheists, but still practicing religion.

A brilliant person with wisdom think twice before they do anything, and that give them leverage to make a wise decisions. Education, society, financial status and our backgrounds actually determine and influence our moral standard in the society.

Edu action and financial status doesn't determine our morality. We have millionaires who are pedophiles and we have PhD holders who believe in imaginary sky daddy.

What shapes our morality is out background and society. And that's what I've been asking here and yet to get an answer.

The morality from our background and society comes from where. What is the source of such morality. How did our society decides what is moral and immoral.

iamjavadem:
Just don't do what you don't want others to do to you....thats it, plain and simple. It covers all.

That amounts to sourcing it from brain farts. We have seen how that works out in places like Cuba, Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc. It's evil. 🥱🥱

musicwriter:
If the reason you do good is because of a God, then you're already out of the business of God.

You don't need a God to know good or bad, right or wrong. It's actually we humans that set the context for them, not a God.

The only reason you should do good is because it's the right thing to do.

Ok no problem. If u telling me you can derive my morality outside of God then tell me is it right eat animals as food. Did animals tell u it's ok to eat them as food. Why is it moral to consume animals as food when they never gave us such permission. And why do some people called vegetarians consider it immoral to do so.

Kobicove:
Every human being was born with a conscience, an innate ability to know right from wrong.

A conscience is not enough to make one moral. You know this simply from the fact that humans are capable of the most evil. 🥱

Miggs:
Lol
If anyone needs religion to be "moral" If anyone needs religion inorder not to commit atrocities against other humans & not destroy the environment,then that person is a piece of s-h-i-t,scumbag

I hate religion, but I have had to realize without a religious framework behind a moral position, your so-called morality amounts to brain farts. Your brain farts, without a system of religion backing it, is nothing. 🥱🥱

AgentNairaland:
Is Daddy Wole Soyinka here or Broda Seun should answer this!

Wole Soyinka is not an atheist.🥱🥱

monex:
According to Christian theology and non-religious scholars, Jesus was telling the audience to imitate children in humility, vulnerability and teachability. It had absolutely no inference to children knowing what is good or evil from birth.

you need to learn to be more logical and avoid assumptions in discussions like this. Four assumptions you made :

I am a Christian
I go to Church
I nor dey read bible
Muslims too nor dey read their Holy Book

Abeg go rest

femi4:
Your conscience, thats why cornelius was upright in action even before accepting Christ

Nonsense! Every human is born with a conscience yet all humans are capable of the worst evils. Clearly, a conscience is not all that is needed when it comes to morality. 🥱

uchennamani:
Morality doesn’t require belief in your God or any god to exist. Atheists base their morality in reason, empathy, and shared human experience. If God is the reason for your morality, you are a very, very bad person.

When atheists rejects lying or violence to humans or other vices, it is not because Bible or Quran or any religion says so, it is because such acts erode trusts, harm people and damage communities.

Guy u don't need any morality to know violence is bad for society. It's just common sense. Even animals that has no sense of morality shun unnecessary violence and avoid danger.

Even notorious neighborhood still has law and order because they know nobody thrives in a dysfunctional society.

We are talking about what doesn't harm society or your fellow man but u consider immoral.

Now go back and answer my questions otherwise I will repeat it here.

If your 18 year old daughter tells u she wants to go into adult film actress. Would u approve or go against her decision.
If u consider her decision bad and immoral. How did know it's immoral. Lots of atheist don't consider adult film actress as immoral being and that's why their work not considered a crime in secular society.
So if u consider corn actress immoral, what is the source of your morality.

That's my question, pls answer and stop deflecting to answers I never asked u.

allthingsgood:
Which one is source of morality Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated.

The most wicked people in the world are the religious folks. Religion gives control over people to the few, who then manipulate it for extreme wickedness.

Your 14 year old son watching porn is not harming anyone. Your daughter having sex with her boyfriend at 16 is not hurting anybody if anything she's making someone very happy.

So is it immoral for your 14 year son to watch porn, would u allow your daughter have sex with her boyfriend at 16. If your answer is no. Then I need to know why u consider it immoral. And what is the source of your morality.

That is my question. Stop answering questions I never asked u.

allthingsgood:
Which one is source of morality Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated.
✓ The most wicked people in the world are the religious folks. Religion gives control over people to the few, who then manipulate it for extreme wickedness.

Going by what you have up there, are we to assume then that every human being is a moral being? Please stop repeating this nonsense. 🥱🥱

2. You have that right. Stalin who killed 10s of millions of people and Mao were both of the religion of Atheism. The biggest problem with their religion was that there was no codified standard of morality, though. So, yes, the most religious to date commit the worst attrocities meaning religion has its very ugly side. However, the other side of religion is that no nation run by humans can cohesively and sanely exist without it still. 🥱🥱

Ibehchizzy:
Just love people enough

It's like u guys don't understand my question.

Who told u need love to be moral. Who told u commercial sex workers don't love their neighbors or their society. Who told u onlyfans models have hate in their heart.

But the question is do u consider what they do immoral. If yes, then why is it immoral and what is the source of your morality.

That's my question, pls answer and stop deflecting to questions I never asked u.

geoworldedu:
I am not an atheist, neither am I religious. But I don't think a god is needed to be moral. Whatever rules and laws are made for a country, that's enough to build up your morality. For example, in Nigeria, lesbianism and gay is not allowed. If it is written in the constitution then it is enough.

So if u relocate to a country where gay and lesbianism is legal them it's ok to be lesbian and gay?

So if u raise your daughter in Nigeria, she can't be lesbian but if u raise your son in UK , then it's ok for him to be gay.

It's like some of u atheist don't think things thru before saying it.

Ibehchizzy:
Just love people enough

Loving them in what way? How do you define love? Even a woman who goes around killing old people who are sick believes she does it out of love. 🤔🤔

sulaak:
You don't need religion or another man to be moral. Respect for your fellow man and his property is enshrined in all cultures. I still find it hard to understand how Nigeria is one of the most religious countries in the world, yet one of the most corrupt societies.

I can respect my fellow man and his property and decide I want to shooting porn movies and selling it to society. Those who want to buy will show interest I'm not forcing anybody.
Am I moral or immoral. What is the basis of your judgement and where is the source of your morality.

Pls answer my question or don't quote me back.