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MaxInDHouse:
In the first century Christian converts do stop jobs like military service or holding public office that's why Roman emperors ordered the killing of those leading the group (CHRISTIANITY) they believe the group is dangerous just as you feel towards Jehovah's Witnesses today!🙂

The reasons for which some early Christians avoided military service is different from yours. They avoided because they didn't want to be part of emperor worship, indiscriminate bloodshed (the emperor can just send you to go and kill anybody), oath of allegiance to the emperor as a deity, etc. The reasons were not because they considered national defense unscriptural.

The apostles didn't make any doctrine of it. So, some joined, some didn't. Those who didn't join had reasons different from yours. In the absence of those reasons, they'll join.

FxMasterz:
When Jesus first commanded the disciples to sell their clothes and buy swords, what do you think He meant?

Jesus always speak in Idioms that's why his disciples never questioned him when he told them and note what they said in response:

“Lord, look! here are two swords.”
Jesus realized they are not yet used to Idioms despite all his teachings so he cut the conversation by saying:
“It is enough.” Luke 22:38

Please if each of them needs a sword according to Jesus' statement how can two swords be enough for eleven men?

That shows he wasn't talking about physical swords but since they couldn't grasp his expression he said "it is enough" like saying "ok cut the crap"

Later God's holy spirit enlightened our first century brothers that Jesus was talking about each disciple having his own complete copy of the holy writings (Scriptures) which they later referred to as "SWORD". Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

In fact when apostle John saw Jesus in his spiritual body the utterances protruding our of his mouth appeared as a SWORD! Revelation 19:15

So my guy each Jehovah's witness in all the earth have a complete copy of the Bible the SPIRITUAL SWORD today and if any of us doesn't have one we will sell whatever we have to buy one but thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses even though Bible is really costly today there is no single JW throughout the world who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible as they wisely managed the resources gotten to make sure each of us no matter how poor that country is all JWs in that country will have a Bible each!

That's the import of what my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus said!🙂

FxMasterz:
The reasons for which some early Christians avoided military service is different from yours. They avoided because they didn't want to be part of emperor worship, indiscriminate bloodshed (the emperor can just send you to go and kill anybody), oath of allegiance to the emperor as a deity, etc.

Ọmọ do you know the meaning of that National Anthem and pledge you people often recite? Daniel 3:1-5

Now ponder over the wording of all the national anthem and pledge throughout the world and answer if you are swearing an oath to God or your rulers?🙂

FxMasterz:
The reasons for which some early Christians avoided military service is different from yours. They avoided because they didn't want to be part of emperor worship, indiscriminate bloodshed (the emperor can just send you to go and kill anybody), oath of allegiance to the emperor as a deity, etc. The reasons were not because they considered national defense unscriptural.

The apostles didn't make any doctrine of it. So, some joined, some didn't. Those who didn't join had reasons different from yours. In the absence of those reasons, they'll join.

You provided the evidence from Google & you are trying by all means to reject the evidences you provided.
Fx Cognitive dissonance.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus always speak in Idioms that's why his disciples never questioned him when he told them and note what they said in response:

“Lord, look! here are two swords.”
Jesus realized they are not yet used to Idioms despite all his teachings so he cut the conversation by saying:
“It is enough.” Luke 22:38

Please if each of them needs a sword according to Jesus' statement how can two swords be enough for eleven men?

That shows he wasn't talking about physical swords but since they couldn't grasp his expression he said "it is enough" like saying "ok cut the crap"

Later God's holy spirit enlightened our first century brothers that Jesus was talking about each disciple having his own complete copy of the holy writings (Scriptures) which they later referred to as "SWORD". Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

In fact when apostle John saw Jesus in his spiritual body the utterances protruding our of his mouth appeared as a SWORD! Revelation 19:15

So my guy each Jehovah's witness in all the earth have a complete copy of the Bible the SPIRITUAL SWORD today and if any of us doesn't have one we will sell whatever we have to buy one but thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses even though Bible is really costly today there is no single JW throughout the world who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible as they wisely managed the resources gotten to make sure each of us no matter how poor that country is all JWs in that country will have a Bible each!

That's the import of what my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus said!🙂

The guy bring google evidences & at the same time deny all the evidences he bring come the thread.
Let him continue deceiving himself.

Janosky:
The guy bring google evidences & at the same time deny all the evidences he bring come the thread.
Let him continue deceiving himself.

When Jesus said:
"You will know the truth and the truth will set you free" John 8:32
I don't know what they are thinking but is this not clear enough?
First century disciples of Christ don't participate in military services because Roman Emperor is the sole determinant of whatever the army does which makes the emperor more or less a god my guy still doesn't understand what Jesus meant when he told us:

“Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Mark 12:17 NIV‬


Jesus (God's word) said we must love everyone including our enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} but Caesar ordered the killing of those who strands against his government and my friend here still doesn't understand that obeying such orders is like putting Caesar before God!

Even Jews in the first century realized that Jesus is telling his listeners to view Caesar as a nobody before God despite being the world ruler that is why they wanted to know which one should come first between God and those in authority! Jesus Mark 12:29-30🙂

Janosky:
You provided the evidence from Google & you are trying by all means to reject the evidences you provided.
Fx Cognitive dissonance.

So, his own evidence was based on his personal experience?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ do you know the meaning of that National Anthem and pledge you people often recite? Daniel 3:1-5

Now ponder over the wording of all the national anthem and pledge throughout the world and answer if you are swearing an oath to God or your rulers?🙂

Except you want to infuse your own meanings into the Nigerian anthem. Oya, tell us the meaning.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus always speak in Idioms that's why his disciples never questioned him when he told them and note what they said in response:

“Lord, look! here are two swords.”
Jesus realized they are not yet used to Idioms despite all his teachings so he cut the conversation by saying:
“It is enough.” Luke 22:38

Please if each of them needs a sword according to Jesus' statement how can two swords be enough for eleven men?

That shows he wasn't talking about physical swords but since they couldn't grasp his expression he said "it is enough" like saying "ok cut the crap"

Later God's holy spirit enlightened our first century brothers that Jesus was talking about each disciple having his own complete copy of the holy writings (Scriptures) which they later referred to as "SWORD". Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

In fact when apostle John saw Jesus in his spiritual body the utterances protruding our of his mouth appeared as a SWORD! Revelation 19:15

So my guy each Jehovah's witness in all the earth have a complete copy of the Bible the SPIRITUAL SWORD today and if any of us doesn't have one we will sell whatever we have to buy one but thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses even though Bible is really costly today there is no single JW throughout the world who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible as they wisely managed the resources gotten to make sure each of us no matter how poor that country is all JWs in that country will have a Bible each!

That's the import of what my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus said!🙂

My friend, this is bad interpretation.

Jesus said "it is enough" without explaining the meaning of His statement to them?

Give me another instance in Scripture where the disciples misunderstood Jesus and He didn't explain Himself to them. If you can give me one, I will believe this your interpretation.

FxMasterz:
Except you want to infuse your own meanings into the Nigerian anthem. Oya, tell us the meaning.

Surely you hate the truth so there is no need arguing aimlessly with you!😂

First century disciples of Christ rejected military service and public offices because it involves worshiping Roman Emperor and Constantine who merged pagan roman worship with the church has the ambition of strengthening his own government.
Less than a century ago the worship of human rulers still seems OK until the death of Adolf Hitler whose people (Germans) must say "hail Hitler" to prove they are real Germans and today do you remember the first sentence in the national anthem?
Well Caesar has changed it to hail your nation instead of hailing Caesar but the motive remains the same because your nation's first man and his family comes first when talking about defense so you can continue deceiving yourself truth has exposed your unbelief!😂

See the screenshot below the single man in the picture refused to hail Hitler and people noticed him just as Babylonias noticed Shadrach Meshak and Abednego!🙂

FxMasterz:
My friend, this is bad interpretation.
Jesus said "it is enough" without explaining the meaning of His statement to them?
Give me another instance in Scripture where the disciples misunderstood Jesus and He didn't explain Himself to them. If you can give me one, I will believe this your interpretation.

Bwahahahaha!😂
In fact a kid in Bible knowledge knew Jesus had no time to explain in details what he meant by that statement because few minutes later those coming to arrest him got to the scene and all his disciples ran away!😂

Jesus said "it's enough" Luke 22:38

Judas and thugs appeared to arrest Jesus. Luke 22:47

Do you think that's the right time to start lecturing them on the meaning of spiritual sword?

He quickly changed the subject and told them to start praying but instead they were sleeping due to tiredness! Luke 22:39-46

Please where is the time to start explaining what he meant by spiritual sword?😂

FxMasterz:
There's no fellow Christian out there who aims at me. Anyone who aims at me can't be a fellow Christian.

Answer my question. Soldiers use weapons to defend and protect people. Should they stop protecting you and your fellow JWs?

As simple as that is, he can't answer abi?

cornelboy:
So it's right for a christain soldier in Ukraine to kill another christain soldier in Russia because Zelensky ordered it?

Does that even make any sense? Killing a fellow Christian brother is what you call defense? Smh.

When you understand why your religious organization preach and teach self defense. Your question becomes irrelevant

cornelboy:
I don't think I can continue a discussion with someone with that reasoning. That's obviously against Jesus teachings and true Christianity.

No one single bible verse says a Christian cannot be a soldier.

Neutrality to war is not a teaching of the Bible. Na fabrication of Rutherford over misinterpretation of Romans 13

MaxInDHouse:
He makes a lot of noise in the past but now he's running away from me o!😂

Before he will be the first to come and start talking trash on my thread.

Empty glorification.

FxMasterz:
Ask why God supported warring Israelites - Israel against Benjamin, David against Absalom his son, etc. In each cases, prayers were made to God.

My question to you is this:

Should Ukraine, a Christian country fold its arms and watch itself destroyed by Russia, another Christian country? The moment my brother raises his arms against me to shed my blood, he ceases to be a Christian. I must defend myself against him. No Christian attacks his fellow humans first. The aggressor is the erring one, and the target has a right to defend against the aggression. Once you an an aggressor, you stop being a Christian.

Sweet and they are all Jehovah's Witnesses according to their doctrines

FxMasterz:
If he's a Christian, he wouldn't hold a weapon against me, just as I am one, and I have held no weapon against him. If he does hold up a weapon to harm me, I will defend myself against his attacks. Hypocrite, if you were, would you lay down your neck to be slaughtered by a so called fellow Christian who will no longer be appeased?



Good!

Let governments all over the world withdraw protection and defence for all JWs. Let them announce that Bandits, Islamic terrorists, etc are free to do anything with JWs. Is that not okay?

God is our protector too, but He is a God of order. He gives you wisdom and strength to defend yourself, then The also puts government there as His representative. You also have your fellow humans as neighbors as immediate helpers. When all human efforts fail, God steps in. That's how God works. God won't help you until you have used the resources He has given you.

Can you imagine the Israelites saying God is their protector, and therefore never go to battle? The same God who protects Israel teaches her to war!

"He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms" (Psalm 144:1).

Your doctrine is either a product or profound foolishness or crass ignorance.

Their Neutrality doctrines na fabrication of Rutherford based on the tradition of Rutherford

cornelboy:
Do you even know how the military operates?
The soldiers only follow orders. They follow human leader orders and what they do is obviously against God's will.

Things were different with ancient Israel. All their fight were backed by God against their enemies.

Now Christians or Gods people are found across all nations. So it doesn't make sense that God support a country to fight against another country.

Christians are to love their brothers, their neighbors and even their enemies. You don't kill your Christian brother and call that love.

True Christians are not of this world, that's why they won't participate in politics and military service just like Jesus and his Apostles didn't.

Military carry out thousands of Humanitarian aids during Covid 19. That's just an example of numerous ways they are utilised without firing a bullet.

They follow human leader orders and what they do is obviously against God's will.

You better go learn about military formations all over the world means

FxMasterz:
A soldier does not identify as a Christian or Muslim in the battle field. His only identity is his nationality.

As Christians, we do.npy flight. But as a soldier, you have a duty to protect your nation. Hence, you fight as a soldier and not as a Christian.

You don't even seem to get the point I was making. God supported Israel against other nations, true. What about God supporting Israel against Benjamin? What about God supporting David against Absalom? Or Judah against Israel? You have not read your Bible to that extent?

You will see how they will chicken out from the examples you gave knowing. It counters the traditions they were pushing through.

You need to see them credit how the Roman government equally worked towards advancing the good news and how the Bible get to be

cornelboy:
Were both Absalom and David on the same side? One was on God side and the other wasn't.

God has nothing with the wars going on today. That's why God's people will never engage in wars and kill one another.

Loooool, one was a Jehovah’s witness the other was not a Jehovah’s witness yet the war continued between both families and killings were carried out

MaxInDHouse:
In fact they are completely empty when it comes to spirituality.

Imagine him saying God supports His worshipers to kill one another.

I wonder what he will say when people are killing themselves in the name of different religions.

Perhaps he will say they are supposed to fight and kill as soldiers not believers. 😂

That you cannot counter him but say they are completely empty tells the story that keeps repeating itself on Nairaland

FxMasterz:
Now, you're getting it.

Every fighter is on God's side until proven otherwise. If you asked Absalom when he was fighting his father, he'll tell you he was on God's side. Every soldier on the battlefield is on God's side. God knows those on His side, and He'll judge the matter by the outcome of the war.



Let God say that Himself!

Should we dwell on your own words or on God's Word? The attached image is from your profile. God's Word is the only truth, not yours.

We believers are spiritual soldiers. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal. But, the very symbolism of the spiritual warfare runs in tandem with physical warfare. God Himself is called "Jehovah, the Man of War. Exodus 15:3.

There is evil, and infact, debilitating evil in the world. If there's no one to oppose the evil, evil will take over the world. If there are no soldiers in different nations today, for example, even you Cornelboy and Maxindhouse would have either been unalived (God forbid) or forced into Islam. Maxindhouse wouldn't be a JW today if evil has already taken over the world.

If all Christians were JWs, there'll be no Christianity in the world today.

This suppose to unmask the indoctrination but it is easier to follow the tradition of men than the scriptures

FxMasterz:
Abeg, military service is not religion. Every soldier fights for his country because he believes he's doing the right thing. They even pray before going to war. Everyone believes God is on his side. It's better to fight than to be wiped out by evil


Yin mu. Says someone who was angry that I said governments should remove its protection of JWs. Lol.

God is our protection but He didn't say we should stop using our senses.



Jesus didn't teach that nations should not defend themselves against an aggressor.

The Bible teaches that rulers bear the sword for good reasons!

God does not permit anyone to bear the sword against his fellow human, but God permits rulers to bear the sword against evil.

And they say you are empty spiritually

No focus just quoting everyone without a specific point!

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

🤔

MaxInDHouse:
So ISIS, BOKO HARAM fighting as soldiers could also be on God's side!😂

They are a government put in place by MaxInDHouse

Yes they can fight and they are on God's side too

MaxInDHouse:
YES! They are all praying to the same God while the God watch them destroy one another!😂

Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses in the first century:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52

Glory to our God in the heavens today Satan is blindfolding unbelievers to kill one another {Revelation 6:3-4} but God's people have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again be it friend or foe! Isaiah 2:4; Matthew 5:43-48🙂

Romans says God gave his ministers his sword. Your religious doctrines know those God's ministers

cornelboy:
Okay

Really?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ unbelievers are in dense darkness o!😟

Imagine Absalom (a rebel) who planned a coup against his father David (God's anointed King) yet your friend said: both are on God's side!😂

After that nko?

They are both Israelites and Jehovah's Witnesses

achorladey:
They are a government put in place by MaxInDHouse.

You just dey yarn off point!🙂

FxMasterz:
If you asked Absalom when he was fighting his father, he'll tell you he was on God's side. Every soldier on the battlefield is on God's side.

FxMasterz cited Absalom (a rebel) and David (an anointed King) as example o!🙂

Janosky:
The guy own Bible nah "my pastor said'.

Here is your own copy......

Governing body has decided that Jehovah's Witnesses can now use their Bible trained conscience.

That's how the height of CONTROL can get

FxMasterz:
Tody, I have come to understand that Cornelboy is a sincere person. You see, after I have the same explanation in which I mentioned you, he responded with an understanding 'okay'. That responds makes me see him differently and rate him much higher than I previously did. I love sincerity.

But you, you prefer going in circles than accepting the truth. By my interactions with Cornelboy today, have come to understand that it is not a JW thing. It's just you.

But, you see, Christians don't fight but soldiers do. Jesus commanded christians not to fight, but He didn't say that to soldiers. The Bible says rulers bear the sword for good reasons. Rulers will give account to God on how they used the sword that He allowed them to bear.

And the Bible says those God gives the sword are God's ministers