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Harnny:
Funny, look at Moses encounters with God. Is that the devil too?

Was Moses beaten and pressed down like your founder?! No.

You are fond of making darft comparison. Imagine comparing Moses encounter with that of your founder!

That's the same way you compared Islamic terrorism with US/Japan war and IPOB!

Yet, you claim to be smart!

Smart indeed!

Your founder is a fiake prophet!

olabrad:
Was Moses beaten and pressed down like your founder?! No.

You are fond of making darft comparison. Imagine comparing Moses encounter with that of your founder!

That's the same way you compared Islamic terrorism with US/Japan war and IPOB!

Yet, you claim to be smart!

Smart indeed!

Your founder is a fiake prophet!

Please show any reference to where He was beaten.

Harnny:
Please show any reference to where He was beaten.

I knew you would use that as a cover up!

I just showed you where he was pressed down and almost strangled by a so-called angel!

Your founder encountered angel from hel, not angel from heaven

olabrad:
I knew you would use that as a cover up!

I just showed you where he was pressed down and almost strangled by a so-called angel!

Your founder encountered angel from hel, not angel from heaven

But you typed beaten yourself. I did not type it.

Good you mentioned that my reference to ipob and USA was an analogy. It is even far from direct comparison. There might be hope in your comprehension yet.

In a century where there is no technology like radio or phone. A voice suddenly appears out of no where, expect anyone to feel tremendous fear.

Apart from these... maybe go read Genesis 32 and Daniel 10 before you back here to spew these garbage.

Like I said. You do not know your book yet want to condemn others. I would expect nothing less from Mr Black Jesus.

Harnny:
But you typed beaten yourself. I did not type it.

Good you mentioned that my reference to ipob and USA was an analogy. It is even far from direct comparison. There might be hope in your comprehension yet.

Your comparison is not smart.

You can't make analogy with events completely unrelated to the current event.

And you claim to be smart!

Harnny:
In a century where there is no technology like radio or phone. A voice suddenly appears out of no where, expect anyone to feel tremendous fear.

Oga, Angels have been appearing to people long before your founder made his farlse claim.
Any time Angel Gabriel appear, he would tell the person to not be afraid. In the case of your faike founder, the so-called angel started harasing, intimidating and almost choking him to death! That's not a angel Gabriel from YHWH. It's a deimon!

Harnny:
Apart from these... maybe go read Genesis 32 and Daniel 10 before you back here to spew these garbage.

Verse 26 of Genesis 32 says it was Jacob that picked up a fight with the entity and refused to let him go because Jacob wanted the entity to bless him.
In the case of your faike founder, it was the "angel" that almost choke him to death and started making unreasonable demands!

How can an angel of God command an illiterate to read?! How does that even make any sense to you?!

And you claimed to be smart!!! Where is the smartness?!

Harnny:
Like I said. You do not know your book yet want to condemn others. I would expect nothing less from Mr Black Jesus.

Yes, Jesus was black. In your shialow mind, he can't be black because his mother wasn't black. In your shialow mind, God needs to have intercourse with Mary before Jesus could be born! Muslims and intercourses sha!!!

And yes, I know my book. That's why I know that your founder was not sent by YHWH. He is a deceiver trying to force himself on the God of Israel! He stole all the names in my book and lied that they are people of alllllah!

olabrad:
Yes, Jesus was black. In your shialow mind, he can't be black because his mother wasn't black. In your shialow mind, God needs to have intercourse with Mary before Jesus could be born! Muslims and intercourses sha!!!

And yes, I know my book. That's why I know that your founder was not sent by YHWH. He is a deceiver trying to force himself on the God of Israel! He stole all the names in my book and lied that they are people of alllllah!

Are you not intelligent enough to maintain a thread? At least, that you can do.

God can command a virgin to conceive but cannot command an illiterate to read. Where is the sense in that statement of yours?

You are talking to someone who believe God just need say be, and it is. Thinks intercourse is required to conceive? Where in my argument have you seen that stated?

Jesus was born by one person, He would go and pick the feature of a race not in the lineage of that one person?. Try get sense small naa. You think his blackness will not have been very significant in the middle east enough to be documented. Reason small naa.
You have to refer to a book of signs, literally, to assume his race. You are at least over 18. Reason like an adult chief.

Yes, Jacob wrestle, dem no wrestle am back right?. Yet, you conveniently ignored the other verse. Welldone.

Harnny:
Are you not intelligent enough to maintain a thread? At least, that you can do.

God can command a virgin to conceive but cannot command an illiterate to read. Where is the sense in that statement of yours?

Your comparisons are always far from comon seinse.

YHWH didn't COMMAND virgin to conceive. He MADE the virgin to conceive. In the case of your fiake founder. He was commanded by a fiaike angel to do what he couldn't do. Was your fake founder able to read after the fiake angel commanded him?!

No!

This is how you Muslims try to twist facts to deceive.

A religion you need to lie to defend can only be from the devil.

olabrad:
Your comparisons are always far from comon seinse.

YHWH didn't COMMAND virgin to conceive. He MADE the virgin to conceive. In the case of your fiake founder. He was commanded by a fiaike angel to do what he couldn't do. Was your fake founder able to read after the fiake angel commanded him?!

No!

This is how you Muslims try to twist facts to deceive.

A religion you need to lie to defend can only be from the devil.

Do a little more research and you will realize ikrah means both read and recite. This is why Arabic text as regards to religion are maintained as Arabic to avoid context clipping. It is for weird people like you. Was he given a text to read following the read command. Between, you believe God cannot make an illiterate to read. Are letters and text not man made and conceptualized from consensus?
A virgin conceive and an illiterate read, which will be a more difficult task for God?

You are talking to someone who believe God just need say be, and it is. Thinks intercourse is required to conceive? Where in my argument have you seen that stated?

You believe in the Arabian chief deity called allah. You don't believe in God Almighty. Your founder only stole the identity of YHWH and gave it to allah, the Arab chief deity!

If your allah can say "Be" and it will be, why couldn't your founder read after he said jibril commanded him that allah commanded him to read?!

It means allah is giving himself fiaike identity. He can't say Be and it will be! Or maybe it was your founder or jibril that gave your allah a fiaike identity!

olabrad:
You believe in the Arabian chief deity called allah. You don't believe in God Almighty. Your founder only stole the identity of YHWH and gave it to allah, the Arab chief deity!

If your allah can say "Be" and it will be, why couldn't your founder read after he said jibril commanded him that allah commanded him to read?!

It means allah is giving himself fiaike identity. He can't say Be and it will be! Or maybe it was your founder or jibril that gave your allah a fiaike identity!

Lolll. Stop peddling falsehood.
Stop dabbling into what you're clearly ignorant of. You know nothing about Islam. Stop misinforming people.

Even if he believes in spoon and fork, how does it affect you? Is it your belief?

If the noblest of mankind, Prophet Muhammad, didn't read, were you the one reading from the scriptures to pray and teach people about Islam on his behalf?

If you're not satisfied with your religion, explore others. There are about 10,000 religions on earth today.

Everyone has liberty of religion. You don't have to blackmail other religions to advance yours. Those who sold your religion to you used that tactics and it failed. If others practice "fake" religions, does it affect you?

If you're certain that your religion is the true one, continue with it. Invite others to it with respect and leave them alone if they don't want.

Same way you feel about other religions is same way others feel about yours. Let everyone wait till the day of judgement for the truth.

I seriously don't know why Islam gives you such level of insomnia. There are over 9000 others, face them too
From the days of crusaders to perfidious and pilfering colonialists, to orientalists, to islamophobes. What exactly did Islam take from you?

You're clearly a product of the works of your predecessors, the orientalists but I can only pray for you to end like Leopold Weiss, Pickthall, Rene Guenon, Martin Lings, Julius Germanus etc. These are some of the orientalists who, when they researched about Islam to a point, they abandoned their initial mission of distorting and creating a biased narration of it, and accepted Islam. They died as Muslims

There is simply no way an open minded person will learn about Islam and not become a Muslim. The evidences are too compelling. This is one of the reasons you won't find Muslims knocking on people's doors, distributing pamphlets, preaching inside commercial buses and public spaces, building schools to change non Muslims' names etc.

Only a true religion can survive all the above and keep expanding rather than dwindle

Jesus was born by one person, He would go and pick the feature of a race not in the lineage of that one person?. Try get sense small naa. You think his blackness will not have been very significant in the middle east enough to be documented. Reason small naa.
You have to refer to a book of signs, literally, to assume his race. You are at least over 18. Reason like an adult chief.

God is not limited by your reasoning. He can do anything he likes. He can choose to put the Spirit of Jesus in a black man if he so desires, irrespective of lineage. The real God is not like the deity of Muslims that is limited in many ways!

olabrad:
God is not limited by your reasoning. He can do anything he likes. He can choose to put the Spirit of Jesus in a black man if he so desires, irrespective of lineage. The real God is not like the deity of Muslims that is limited in many ways!

You're right.
Can you go and rest now?

DesireV:
Lolll. Stop peddling falsehood.
Stop dabbling into what you're clearly ignorant of. You know nothing about Islam. Stop misinforming people.

Even if he believes in spoon and fork, how does it affect you? Is it your belief?

You are still living in the previous century.

People now know a lot about Islam. Islam.has been exposed to be an evviil deimionic reliigion. Wake up and start studying Islam instead of living in igneoriance of the reliigion you are practicing.

DesireV:
If the noblest of mankind, Prophet Muhammad, didn't read, were you the one reading from the scriptures to pray and teach people about Islam on his behalf?

There is norting noble about your fiake founder. Tell that ilie only among your fellow deceeived curlt members

DesireV:
Everyone has liberty of religion. You don't have to blackmail other religions to advance yours. Those who sold your religion to you used that tactics and it failed. If others practice "fake" religions, does it affect you?

If you're certain that your religion is the true one, continue with it. Invite others to it with respect and leave them alone if they don't want.

Islam doesn't support liberty of religion. That's why your violent brothers go about forcing Islam on other people!

Read Quran 9:29 and Quran 9:123. Then lie to yourself again that there is liberty of religion in Islam!

It's obvious you know NOTHING about your religion!

DesireV:
If the noblest of mankind, Prophet Muhammad, didn't read, were you the one reading from the scriptures to pray and teach people about Islam on his behalf?

There is norting noble about your founder. Tell that ilie only among your fellow curlt members

Harnny:
Do a little more research and you will realize ikrah means both read and recite. This is why Arabic text as regards to religion are maintained as Arabic to avoid context clipping.

You told me to do research, whereas, your comment shows that you don't do research. If you do research, you won't be a Muslim again!

Do you know that Arabic Quran already exists in different versions and they differ significantly from one another?!

Go online and compare Hafs and warsh and alduri versions of the Arabic Quran. You'll see that you don't have to translate Quran to another language before it can be corrupted. Qur'an is already corrupted!

olabrad:
You told me to do research, whereas, your comment shows that you don't do research. If you do research, you won't be a Muslim again!

Do you know that Arabic Quran already exists in different versions and they differ significantly from one another?!

Go online and compare Hafs and warsh and alduri versions of the Arabic Quran. You'll see that you don't have to translate Quran to another language before it can be corrupted. Qur'an is already corrupted!

So if there are versions of the Quran, I will stop being a Muslim. Weird that this argument is coming from a Christian. So we have left the reading argument. Keep going about, we will get somewhere eventually.

olabrad:
Islam doesn't support liberty of religion. That's why your violent brothers go about forcing Islam on other people!

Read Quran 9:29 and Quran 9:123. Then lie to yourself again that there is liberty of religion in Islam!

It's obvious you know NOTHING about your religion!

Lolll.
Same Islam that says there is no compulsion in religion? That says non Muslims won't worship what Muslims worship and vice versa? That to everyone is his or her religion?

Whatever your agenda is, there are countless others who have towed the same path in the past, in vain!

You simply can't blackmail Islam. You can't conquer it either. You either let it be while you practise any other religion of your choice (Islam has no problem with you not being a Muslim), accept it, or ruin yourself (if you falsely attribute things to it).

Channel your energy to interrogate your own religion. To learn the Roman cultural and paganism basis of your religion. To learn the political and economic themes of what you call religion. To research about your religion and be liberated.

olabrad:
You told me to do research, whereas, your comment shows that you don't do research. If you do research, you won't be a Muslim again!

Do you know that Arabic Quran already exists in different versions and they differ significantly from one another?!

Go online and compare Hafs and warsh and alduri versions of the Arabic Quran. You'll see that you don't have to translate Quran to another language before it can be corrupted. Qur'an is already corrupted!

Your ignorance stinks!

They are Qur'an styles (qiraat and riwayat). Qur'an was revealed in all those styles, 10 of them. No conflict, no contradiction.

You help you understand it, if you want to, it's like language dialects.
See it as Ekiti, Ijebu, Egba, Oyo, Igbomina rendition of same text. When read, it'll sound different to the ears but the meanings same.

It's part of the protection of the Qur'an from corruption. To annoy you more, if all the copies of the Qur'an are burnt, like your likes always do, there are millions of humans across race and tribes, who have committed the blessed book to memory, sentence by sentence, word by word, letter by letter.

There have been attempts by people way smarter than you to corrupt it, by printing copies of edited texts and called it the Qur'an, every single alteration spotted at first glance. We have them kept in libraries to show the coming generations of the futile efforts of the enemies of the truth.

The Qur'an and the Bible are simply not comparable. How do you compare the Qur'an to a book with numerous versions of differing contents and meanings, a book with verious unknown authors, a book where authors wrote about events that happened after their own deaths

DesireV:
Your ignorance stinks!

They are Qur'an styles (qiraat and riwayat). Qur'an was revealed in all those styles, 10 of them. No conflict, no contradiction.

If that's the case, it means those who wrote your Quran committed errors because there are many differences among the various Arabic versions of the Quran.

If original revelations of your Quran are full of discrepancies, it means the reliability of the Quran can't be trusted!

You help you understand it, if you want to, it's like language dialects.
See it as Ekiti, Ijebu, Egba, Oyo, Igbomina rendition of same text. When read, it'll sound different to the ears but the meanings same.

If I write a sentence in different dialects, their meanings should be the same. In the case of the different Arabic versions of the Quran, the sentences are very different and have different meanings.

Oga stop lying to defend the Arab pagan idol called alllllla!

It's part of the protection of the Qur'an from corruption. To annoy you more, if all the copies of the Qur'an are burnt, like your likes always do, there are millions of humans across race and tribes, who have committed the blessed book to memory, sentence by sentence, word by word, letter by letter.

This your "protection" excuse is complete nonsense. You say it as if all Arabs are Muslims and Arab speakers can't also corrupt the Quran of they like. Ile kewu level of argument!

Existence of various Arabic versions of the Quran containing different sentences is an evidence that the Arabic Qurans have been corrupted already! So, your alllla's "protection" effort has failed! So your allah is a failure!

There have been attempts by people way smarter than you to corrupt it, by printing copies of edited texts and called it the Qur'an, every single alteration spotted at first glance. We have them kept in libraries to show the coming generations of the futile efforts of the enemies of the truth.

I challenge you to provide me proof that non-Muslims have tried to corrupt Quran. You can only lie to Ile kewu pupils. The world is more advanced than these baseless lies!

Do you know that the Quran you use today is the 1924 edition of the Quran?! Your Quran is heavily edited, modified, corrupted. There is nothing original about Quran.

Caliph uthman collected existing manuscripts to create a new one. That new one is what you are using today. So, your Quran is not original anymore. Why did caliph uthman burned all existing manuscripts?! Because he wanted to cover up the corruption and inconsistencies in the Quran

The Qur'an and the Bible are simply not comparable. How do you compare the Qur'an to a book with numerous versions of differing contents and meanings, a book with verious unknown authors, a book where authors wrote about events that happened after their own deaths

Bible has many versions and Quran has many versions.

Bible versions contain differences and Quran versions contiaon differences.

So, how is your Quran better?!

DesireV:
Lolll.
Same Islam that says there is no compulsion in religion? That says non Muslims won't worship what Muslims worship and vice versa? That to everyone is his or her religion?

Read Quran 9:29 and Quran 9:123.

Quran 9:123 says you Muslims should fight against non-Muslims around you.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 says you should kpai Jews.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922 says you should kpai anyone that leaves Islam.

You obviously know very little about Islam.

You don't know that your founder's so-called revelations are divided into 2: The meccan revelations.and the medinan revelations. The one you mentioned is part of meccan revelations (before he left mecca for medina and still had very few followers) Because his followers were few, your founder was pretending to be peaceful by saying peaceful things, hoping to attract more people!

Whatever your agenda is, there are countless others who have towed the same path in the past, in vain!

Lolz. The world is changing fast, but you don't seem to see it. More people are now aware of what Islam really is! Islam is evvil!

You simply can't blackmail Islam. You can't conquer it either. You either let it be while you practise any other religion of your choice (Islam has no problem with you not being a Muslim), accept it, or ruin yourself (if you falsely attribute things to it).

Islam already blackmailed itself and it's falling apart from within.

Do you know how many Muslims have left the religion and are now seriously exposing Islam?! Yes, they are many! And this is the beginning!

Islam was built on lies and those lies are now haunting the religion

Channel your energy to interrogate your own religion. To learn the Roman cultural and paganism basis of your religion. To learn the political and economic themes of what you call religion. To research about your religion and be liberated.

If you interrogate Islam, you'll see that it is a copy copy reliiligion. Islam was copied by your founder from Christianity, Judaism, sabians and Arab paganism.

Your Hajj and Umrah and tawaf at the Kaaba were all copied from Arab pagans.

5 times daily prayers were copied from the sabians.

Virtually All the human characters in the Quran were copied from the Bible.

Your founder is not noble. He didn't get any revelation from any angel of God. He lied to you!